Transition check?

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Transition check?  

  By: Zach F on Sept. 26, 2025, 1:53 p.m.

I’ve had some light bulbs. Is this the right idea?

TIA!

Zach

PS speed from lowest to highest to see possible breakdowns, and apologies for the camera angle being a little off to the right.

Thank you!!

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Re: Transition check?  

  By: Tyler F on Oct. 5, 2025, 11:50 a.m.

Hi Zach,

Yes, looks less hooky. What did you figure out?

Happy Golfing,
Tyler

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Re: Transition check?  

  By: Zach F on Oct. 8, 2025, 6:16 a.m.

So that’s a tricky question for me, because any breakthroughs I have come from circling back to things you say that I hear again from a place of deeper understanding. First I really must credit yours and Lawrence’s site revisions, because the AI suggestions always seem to be what I need to see. In this case, the video that triggered the avalanche was the Sequencing Starter Kit.
Back when I was a member of another three letter forum, the instructors advised that practicing separation was not only functionally useless(because of the tiny window of time- the blink of an eye- during which said separation occurs) but potentially harmful(side note: separation and shaft shallowing are two of their biggest bugaboos, and they seem only lately to have come to acknowledge the merits of consciously practicing the release, albeit in a much less detailed way), and it was perhaps a holdover from that thinking that contributed to my initially glossing over your transition teachings. I had a similar conversion experience early on with the wipe move; those guys are yet unconvinced of the veracity of that concept.
That said, returning to your words with a fresh perspective and child mind, I found that the transition elements you describe are almost inescapable physical consequences of proper sequencing(especially shoulder blade shallowing for me). All of a sudden, things like my floating left heel and my spun open shoulders are silly, illogical… artificial.

Tl;dr the flow chart for my breakthroughs goes as follows:

Hm, that sounds funky- is Tyler sure about that? > much experimentation and testing > Tyler was right(again)

As always, I thank you for your massive patience and gentle guidance.

Your grateful student,
Zach

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Re: Transition check?  

  By: Tyler F on Oct. 11, 2025, 7:46 a.m.

Zach,

It's hard to speak for why other coaches promote the patterns and explanations they do. Most never show their work on how they got to the conclusions they did, so we have to just take their advice at face value. On that note, I can't really understand the argument to "not work on separation". I could support the idea that proper separation is hard, and consciously focusing on it might not produce it, so if you do a separation drill you have to monitor other pieces simultaneously. But it's much easier to explain why something is bad for everyone rather than trying to explain the nuances and how it could apply to some and harm others.

A couple thoughts. Just because transition is faster than the blink of an eye doesn't mean you shouldn't train it. It means you have to train it to be reflexive/automatic. "A single blink lasts for approximately 0.1 to 0.4 seconds, a duration so brief it's often described as a fraction of a second." The downswing is about .25 seconds.

By that logic you couldn't train anything in the downswing. Not what I suggest, or what they suggest. Seems a little hyperbolic to advise you can't train anything because it's so fast.

Second thought. I think the wipe is an interesting move. If you started with the puzzle that you wanted to create a high level of speed but with maximum control, how would you want to use your shoulders? I think it would lend itself to the wipe, but that type of shoulder motion is really hard to measure (impossible currently from what I've heard), so if your whole system is based on measurements, then you might be unaware of some of these keys.

Reminds of one of my favorite quotes, "follow those who seek the truth, run from those who've claimed they found it". I'm still searching.

Happy Golfing,
Tyler

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Re: Transition check?  

  By: Zach F on Oct. 19, 2025, 7:18 a.m.

I love that quote, and I think you nailed the logic behind them ignoring shoulder dynamics.

The areas of my life where I’ve enjoyed the most training are piano performance and martial arts, so the idea that one cannot train a motion in its entirety is anathema to me, and one of the main reasons I became frustrated with AMG. In piano particularly, intricate passages that happen quickly are where most of the time in practice rooms is spent.

As for Shaun and Mike, they aren’t dumb, but Shaun especially is convinced that theirs is the One True Way. I think if the wipe were properly explained to him he couldn’t refute it, but I’d bet dollars to pennies what happened was one of his forum guys explained it to him incompletely, he instantly decided he didn’t like the name and refused to investigate further. He and Mike also both have steep downswing arms, so they wouldn’t have as much use for it anyway.
There’s some mingling of y’all’s forums(fora?), so I know they’re aware of what you do and have probably heard Temu renderings of several STS concepts.

When it comes to not teaching downswing, they’re good pals with Monte Scheinblum, who patently refuses to teach anything past transition, because “it happens automatically.” He also sternly advises against practicing separation, lest the arms get “trapped behind” the body. As I write this, I’m realizing that perhaps that’s why they don’t like the wipe- they all three teach the arms pulling down from the top of the swing,
so you wouldn’t need the wipe as much in that case. Regardless, they seem to seek information that reinforces the unimportance of their blind spots, rather than investigating those blind spots as to become less blind. I can’t count the number of times in my STS journey that I’ve felt the walls of the whole castle come crumbling down because I became aware of a block I’d missed in the foundation.

Anyway, I appreciate you, and the golfing is indeed Happy.

Zach

PS- the straight arm member question brought the walls down again, but this time it’s somehow led to the backswing becoming *ahem just what you say, and I think that maybe for the first time I’ve performed STS arms at perhaps a 94% grade. Thank you!

PPS- I’m going to ask you about gym training recommendations in the next group call, just a heads up. I’m extremely pleased with the direction my transition is heading, and am quite curious to tap into Trainer Tyler’s wisdom. I accept that the transition arm changes will probably take awhile to show up; I look at my practice as a team of sled dogs endeavoring to pull the monolith of my established swing around.

No whales were harmed in the making of this video :)

PPPS- one last thing: I’d be highly curious to hear your take on Michael Lasasso’s swing. It’s a move that to me almost caricatures some good things, and I’d love to hear you discuss some of the forces at play in his action as they relate to STS.

Z

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Re: Transition check?  

  By: Tyler F on Nov. 6, 2025, 8 a.m.

I think training a song on the piano is a great metaphor for training the golf swing. You focus on the difficult parts, but they you also have to do practice integrating it back into the song as a whole.

Great summary of those other swing systems. How steep swings typically use less rotational core and wipe. I can't imagine anything in the golf swing actually being automatic for everyone. I always pushed back on that. I'd ask, I want to throw a spiral with a football, what can I do with my body that guarantees it works?

If I had more time, I'd battle them more online. But as it is, I just film my own videos and try to gauge what to focus on from comments by you members.

I'll see you on the coaches call this Sunday. Feel free to send in questions before hand, or just throw them at me live then.

Happy Golfing,
Tyler

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