Starting my self-coaching journey

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Starting my self-coaching journey  

  By: Andrew S on June 4, 2022, 10:18 a.m.

Been a subscriber for a little while, but haven't worked up the courage to post a swing yet until now. I think I've finally figured out the feel/thought to get my hips moving correctly without coming way over the top (unscrew the jam jar with the feet into a jump/extension). Pattern is very new, within the last couple weeks.

Traditionally impact was very square hips/torso and fully extended arms, very scoopy. New impact is extremely inconsistent (to be expected), lots of shanks and heel shots, also extremely fat at times. I have been working on the 9 to Low Point drill to try and keep my hands in front, it has been difficult at speed. Looking to continue to get more consistent, and also just see if anything else I haven't noticed is a glaring priority.

DTL: https://link.getonform.com/view?id=ZoOqSopAer2PxvZeSR3g
Face On: https://link.getonform.com/view?id=XMUQGNNRdW1OkS5hOmGR

Edit: Hadn't seen it before I posted, but the 360 Jumps video is exactly the new feel I was trying to describe.

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  By: Tyler F on June 6, 2022, 11:05 a.m.

Hi Andrew,

The first time posting your swing is always the scariest.

I think you're on the right track with the body stuff you're working on. I think you'll want to complement some arm training to help make it easier. Specifically, it looks like you have a pretty strong lead arm pull-through impact. See the pictures below. The left arm looks like it's pulling down and behind you, which kicks the club out (that's one of the causes of your steepness and fat shots). If the follow through position, you can see how down, close, and externally rotated that lead arm is.

Try looking at the "block the trail arm throw" https://www.golfsmartacademy.com/golf-instruction/block-trail-arm-throw/
Or the Moe Norman drill - https://www.golfsmartacademy.com/golf-instruction/moe-norman-arm-drill/

If that's too much to do concurrently, then work on the body for a few weeks before circling back to the release arm training.

You've got a bunch of really good pieces going on, so I think tightening up a few of the release/impact feels will go a long way for you. Good luck!

Happy Golfing,

Tyler

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  By: Andrew S on June 7, 2022, 9:02 a.m.

Thanks, Tyler! I gave it a try this morning. As I was trying to figure it out, it seemed the only way to maintain the relationship for left arm pointing out still and above the right arm, was to get into trail side bend a little earlier, maintain trail wrist extension longer, and most importantly continue the turn through the ball. I think previously I stalled out my upper body rotation and extended my arms reach the ball. Whereas with this I needed to keep turning or I couldn't reach the ball.

I was only able to do this in 9-3's and 10-2's, but launch angle was lower and felt like my hands were much farther in front at impact. Everything fell apart if I tried a full swing, so I'll have to continue partial swings for now.

Does that sounds like the right track?

Thanks,
Andrew

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  By: Tyler F on June 11, 2022, 7:35 a.m.

Yes, sounds like you're likely on the right track.

Often times that arm pull move is tied to power, so when you swing full it will be more likely to creep back in. At least initially. Keep ramping up the shorter swings in terms of length and aggression.

https://www.golfsmartacademy.com/golf-instruction/wipe-with-aggression/

Maybe this will help

Tyler

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  By: Andrew S on July 11, 2022, 8:23 a.m.

I think I've had a little success with the Moe Norman drill. It has allowed me to wipe a little further before extending the arms, which has gotten me a lot of shaft lean at impact, though this might be overdoing it. Still having trouble with keeping the lead elbow from turning over, but seems to be delayed a little more than it was to start with. Definitely needed to bend at the waist a lot more to just get closer to the ball.

Still having inconsistency with over the top. Is it wholly related to that lead arm turning over? From what I understand my club is well shallowed at p5 (club pointing well outside the ball), but at some point between then and impact (even p6 to a degree), I can get pretty over the top.

Edit: removed the videos, upon rewatching I have introduced too much upper body sway/lunge. I'll keep working in it in the meantime.

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  By: Tyler F on July 16, 2022, 10:02 a.m.

The moe norman can definitely help, but to answer your question, no the over-the-top move can come from a handful of causes.
The most common causes of over-the-top are:
- Spinning the shoulders instead of turning the hips
- Pulling the left shoulder blade too hard or too early
- Rotating the trail shoulder into internal rotation before impact.
- Turning the shoulders too level (not enough trail side bend)

If it's happening really late (below p6) then it's likely the arms, the side bend, or not enough spine extension through impact. It's less likely the spinning the shoulders in transition option.

So if you're still over-the-top and the arms aren't steepening then you want to look at the body movements as well.

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  By: Andrew S on July 16, 2022, 1:14 p.m.

Thanks, Tyler. If I had to guess I'd say my OTT is mostly coming between P5 to P6, which got me looking at my shoulders as you mentioned. I'm aware of Spinning the Shoulders vs The Core and Don't Spin The Shoulders, and very much try not to spin them, but they usually do seem to spin, especially between P5 and P6.

After taking a look again on video I noticed that both shoulders are in protraction for pretty much all of the swing, which due to very high shoulder mobility, I can still get my trail arm/shoulder into a lot of external rotation even at max protraction. I watched Shoulder Blade Shallowing, and I'll try to keep that trail shoulder retracted, my next question then is does that trail shoulder stay in full retraction through impact?

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  By: Tyler F on July 16, 2022, 1:44 p.m.

I think your steepening is primarily a lack of ulnar deviation, but the side bend (aided by the shoulder blade retraction) could help either way. It doesn't appear most golfers get to max retraction, nor stay at the max all the way through the release, but it stays there well into the downswing.

The attached photo is when it looks to me like you've missed the unhinge window.

The second video is one of my favorite views for the shoulder blade.

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  By: Andrew S on July 17, 2022, 7:19 a.m.

Oof, I knew my lack of understanding about ulnar deviation was going to catch up to me, because I've kind of just ignored it until now. I've seen almost all the unhinge/ulnar videos, and understand them conceptually, but have just never been able to work it in to an actual swing. I guess I just don't understand how to apply the force in an almost perpendicular direction once the club and clubhead has significant speed (ie Ulnar Down, not Down the Plane).

Up until now I've essentially been trying to fake it with a DJ style wrist bow which naturally limited the radial, with varying levels of consistency/success. I guess I need to go back and force myself to really work on the T-Rex Unhinging drill.

It almost seems like one might need the intention to start unhinging from the top so you aren't fighting clubhead momentum coming down the plane (which is a thought/system I know Monte Scheinblum espouses in his No-Turn-Cast system)?

Edit: I've been working the past couple days on ulnar deviation and the right shoulder retraction. Keeping the shoulder retracted is very different, but I can already see a huge change in that it requires me to use the body a lot more and keep turning. I think I used protraction as both a power move and extension to reach the ball, keeping it back requires me to just keep turning. It does kind of feel weak, but I guess that's to be expected if I used the opposite for power previously.

I'm still struggling with ulnar deviation/unhinge though. It seems very difficult to unhinge once the clubhead is in motion. I can hit the ball great with preset unhinge, but if I try from the top and once I get the clubhead moving it becomes difficult.

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  By: Tyler F on July 22, 2022, 8:05 a.m.

Can you post a video of you trying the unhinge? as well as the presetting it? It'll be helpful to see the difference.

But yes, your question (I don't understand how to apply force in an almost perpendicular direction once the club has speed). The key thing here is that you are currently applying force more horizontally (which is why you are steep). So we are just trying to get you to apply force on plane instead of above it. So you won't actually be applying the force vertically, but it will be more vertical, and thus on plane.

I'm not familiar with Monte Scheinblums No-Turn-Cast system. But I think unhinging got a really bad wrap in most golf instruction from a misunderstanding of the look of lag. So it could be similar

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  By: Andrew S on July 22, 2022, 10:08 a.m.

I guess that's my disconnect from your video Ulnar Deviation, Down not Down the Plane, because in that video it's discussing unhinging in a purely vertical downward direction while the clubhead is on a diagonal momentum down the plane, or am I just completely misunderstanding what is where and when in that area? You did mention that I'm far more horizontal, I'm guessing that's my very laid off at the top position causing that?

Preset: https://link.getonform.com/view?id=NAS2h98euyCJ2uoxZyHr
Fuller swing: edited out

Edit #2: I tried doing some real swings with the feeling you mentioned above of trying to make ulnar somewhat down the plane, and then trying to turn and supinate through. The last swing is probably the best at getting full unhinge. Definitely introduced some early extension and a poor top of backswing position, but is this at least the right track for coming down the plane to unhinge?
https://link.getonform.com/view?id=spUkTwgDkydBLvRDqMvE

It's almost maybe like a two stage release? Like when approaching P6, the momentum of the club is more down so when the hands start to move up, it helps unhinge moving the clubhead down (but not down the plane) and the continued turn plus supination brings it to the ball rather than hitting the ground outside your trail foot. So stage 1 of release is loss of hinge, the second stage is loss of trail wrist flexion through impact? If any of that incoherent rambling makes sense.

Related note: As you can probably tell, I often overanalyze and I end up diving down rabbit hole after rabbit hole. If I wanted/needed to supplement my self-coaching with a few in-person lessons to try and reign that in, do you have anyone you could recommend in the Chicago area? Looks like the closest GSA certified coach is in St Louis, unfortunately.

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  By: Tyler F on July 24, 2022, 1:39 p.m.

In the video on unhinging, I talk about the unhinge moving the club downward and the body rotation moving it outward. So they balance to help create the swing plane. Since yours is steep, you need more up and down movement to be "on plane". Your two options for up and down movement are the unhinge, or torso tilt (side bend). So we could work on adding a bit more side bend tilt, but yours doesn't look too bad. I think the bigger opportunity is the unhinge.

The hardest thing in the online coaching is getting a student to exaggerate the movement as much as needed. So here we can see in the impact screenshot how much lower your handle is compared to golfers with appropriate unhinging. When you do it correctly, it's going to feel like the club is vertical. Like the handle is directly over the golf ball as you're hitting it. See the attached picture. Can you do too much? Can you get it where the shaft is actually above your right arm? Even at a really slow speed.

We are growing the certification program, so hopefully we'll have someone in your area soon. The only coach I knew in the Chicago area was Richard Franklin, but I believe he moved to Arizona.

As far as your description, I think more than 2 stage, it will feel more gradual and less held on (stiff) at impact. But I think the positional feel of the club feeling completely vertical at impact will be the closest likely feel.

Happy Golfing,

Tyler

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  By: Andrew S on July 29, 2022, 7:50 a.m.

So I've really been playing around with trying to get to this position, while also keeping in mind your note about how all my force was coming in horizontal with little to no vertical. I just couldn't really do it from where I was at the top of the backswing, the only place for me to go was horizontally because my hands were so far behind me.
Playing with some vastly some different feels and trying to go back to the classic clubhead down the wall feel, I could only get that happening if I used vastly less hand depth at the top, which also created more vertical in my downswing. The video below is a little 1/3rd speed swing trying to feel less depth and more clubhead down the wall. It definitely helped get more unhinge, and a ton of shallowing. Though I realize I probably overdid it and lots of other flaws /compensations since it's still so foreign. Is this less hand depth on the right track? I know some depth is necessary, but I think I was overdoing it before with my hands well behind my heels at the top? Or maybe it not less depth, but less arm overrun.

https://link.getonform.com/view?id=URh4IRaek8uTg01Z9ozD

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  By: Tyler F on July 31, 2022, 12:05 p.m.

I think as a playable compliment, working on the top of the swing might be easier. But as you said earlier, as long as you avoid ulnar deviation, you'll have to deal with balancing the compensations. So I'll try a slightly different image, If you look at the Dustin Johnson pic again, we're going to look at the angle of the golf ball to shoulder. I drew a line. My challenge is to see how close you can fill that space. If you look at yours, you'll see how much space there is because of your hand height. You might feel the arms/shoulders higher, and you might feel more ulnar deviation, but the goal I'd give you is to basically get closer to that straight line. So it's pretty easy to monitor progress by looking at that line from DTL on video. Check out the recent video I posted on the hands forward, out, and UP.

Depth and shallowing will allow you to get away with less unhinge, so if you really decide this isn't the right time to work on the unhinge, then that's a fine plan B to go after.

Tyler

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  By: Andrew S on Aug. 19, 2022, 7:56 a.m.

Working on getting more ulnar deviation and reducing that gap has been very difficult, but I think I've finally made a little progress. It feels like I have to control the swing a lot more with my lead shoulder position, by bringing it up and away from the ball with my turn. The feel is almost just getting my arms up in the back, letting the club head start to drop/shallow until it's near parallel with my shoulder plane, then rotate through. In my rehearsals, I basically try to get a completely straight line from my lead shoulder socket through my arm and club to the ball. Can't achieve that at speed, but it seems to help. I still have a touch of steepness in these, but I think I can work with that with just a bit more patience in transition. Am I on the right track?

DTL: https://link.getonform.com/view?id=lCnM2PLb0LuttXcmyn2J

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  By: Tyler F on Aug. 20, 2022, 2:17 p.m.

Looks like it's going in the right direction. I'd try to get the unhinge to happen earlier. Also, from face on, we might be able to see if your cheating with axis tilt. But you're getting more of it. In the impact picture, you can see more of it. The delivery position picture is when we want to see more of the unhinge starting to take place.

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  By: Andrew S on Aug. 24, 2022, 11:30 a.m.

I noticed in my videos working on this I often had my lead arm disappearing behind my trail shoulder, and just generally coming across the ball a lot, which got me thinking I've been spinning my shoulders too early. So I went back and really tried keeping my shoulders closed (from a top down perspective) as long as possible and it seems like it made a major difference in how I was able to deliver the club with the proper ulnar deviation. My trail forearm is now often at a much shallower angle than the shaft at impact.

Unfortunately, I didn't manage to get a front on video to see if I'm cheating with axis tilt, will try on my next practice session. The sawed off stop was because I was trying to mix in some of your latest gravity release drill.
DTL: https://link.getonform.com/view?id=nZNO7F8Tfp6GHdCDZ8im

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  By: Tyler F on Aug. 25, 2022, 11:40 a.m.

I definitely think that arm position is better. Like you mentioned, check to make sure that you're not cheating with too much tilt, but I don't think you are based on that video. I could be wrong, but it looks like an improved pivot. Your rotation appears to be less of a pull of the left shoulder and more of a rotation of the core. I like the train of thought. Let's see where this idea takes us :)

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  By: Andrew S on Aug. 26, 2022, 9:09 a.m.

So follow-up question, working through this I think I realized that lead shoulder blade retraction has been one of my subconscious big power moves, which explains my perpetual steepness. In the video I posted earlier, it really felt weak, like I had held my shoulders in place and got really armsy in getting them too the ball. Which makes sense new moves always feel completely foreign.

But, I guess my question then is does the shoulder pair stay fully closed through impact and beyond (lead shoulder blade remains protracted, trail shoulder blade remains retracted). So essentially getting the arms moving is more deltoids and less lats. Or is getting the arms to the ball entirely core rotation dragging the arms through with shoulders remaining closed.

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  By: Tyler F on Aug. 31, 2022, 8:03 p.m.

We don't have data on the shoulder blades, so the exact timing is tricky at best. I think if you look from down the target line, you can get a good sense of what the shoulder blades are doing. If the lead shoulder pulls, then that adds a steep. so golfers who have more of the lead shoulder pull have to add an extra shallower to help balance it out. But yes, I do think some really good ball strikers tend to retract the shoulder later (even after impact).

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  By: Andrew S on Oct. 14, 2022, 8:32 a.m.

Well I'm back after a break due to some overtraining related injuries. As I revisited the Block the Trail Arm Throw I think I realized something about my swing. In an effort to maintain width, I've realized that I've always kept that lead shoulder in full internal rotation (elbow down) because it gave my arm an extra 1/2" of length that felt like the maximum width. As you mentioned, this lead to the lead arm pull and trail arm throw. So I've really been trying to focus on keeping the lead shoulder into external rotation (elbow out) to prevent that lead arm pull steepener. It has been very tough breaking that pattern since it just feels so bizarre.

In one rep I think I've figured out a feel that might work for me though. As much as I'm not a fan, because it's almost Bryson-esque in approach, it seems to work. Essentially try to max out lead arm external rotation at address (and keep it that way), and in then transition try to pre-max out lead arm supination (combined with motorcycle move) so I can just swing my lead elbow at the target. Keeping the lead arm in max supination seems to really help reign in my other tendency of over-radial deviating (since I have very high wrist mobility, I can get in a lot of trouble with this). It has also very much lowered my VLaunch, as you can see how low the ball hits the impact screen with the 7-iron.

Below is a DTL video trying this feeling with what felt like 9-3's, but in reality are probably closer to 11-1's.
https://link.getonform.com/view?id=YT0bSLoTgCWakcTG7hMy

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  By: J O on Oct. 15, 2022, 12:45 a.m.

"Elbow in" would be external rotation (losing in arm-wrestling), Bryson is maximizing internal rotation at setup with the lead shoulder("elbow out").

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  By: Tyler F on Oct. 15, 2022, 6:55 a.m.

Welcome back, Andrew.

I agree that it's a tough habit to break for some patterns. But it can pretty transformative too. One of the complimentary patterns to the arm stuff you're working on (internal rotation and ulnar deviation) is more of a component of vertical movements vs all rotation.

If you look at the practice drills you're doing, your core tends to keep moving downward all the way past impact. So you end up in a position where your arms are left and low because of the lack of ulnar deviation and shoulder lift. Compare that to two videos of Collin and Justin. In the stock model, your core should be moving up and away from the delivery position to the follow-through position. In the little snippet of your swing I clipped, you should be moving up with your core and straightening the lead leg right away,

So, a complimentary move to getting ulnar deviation and width at the bottom is the vertical movement driven by the turtle shell (moving your abs away from the golf ball instead of towards it). https://www.golfsmartacademy.com/golf-instruction/turtle-shell-abs/ In trying to get this connection of vertical movement to arm extension, I would play around with some timing from this drill https://www.golfsmartacademy.com/golf-instruction/connecting-leg-arm-extension/

I don't think you need to focus on the legs as much as the core, but the timing in this drill would be really good for your pattern.

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  By: Andrew S on Oct. 22, 2022, 11 a.m.

Thanks, Tyler! Going over what you've been saying about the release and the relation of the vertical and lack of shoulder lift, I realized that I've really just been faking a lot of this until now. As I am now trying to understand it, the vertical component and shoulder lift causes a lot of the ulnar deviation early (starting around delivery position) and then the flexion to extension release while moving through impact. And to keep the club somewhat on plane while doing that the turtle shell abs to keep space and the right shoulder lower than the left.

So my new thought was to try and work backwards from an impact position with full ulnar deviation ( trying to achieve a straight line from shoulder through wrists to clubhead, ie fill that gap you mentioned much earlier). Essentially I was trying to figure out how to get the my wrists to move into that ulnar extended position without actively forcing or holding wrist movement. What I think I discovered is that the lead shoulder lifts the hands to cause some of that ulnar (club head keeps going down, hands up). And, if I try crunch the abs and keep the right shoulder lower than the left, I can create a ton of space and keep the club (somewhat) on-plane without getting way over the top.

This is a slowish swing speed of me trying this new feeling as a proof of concept. I know there's a lot of other faults I've introduced here (like not enough lateral shift causing low point behind the ball issues, lack of depth etc).
https://link.getonform.com/view?id=OdnbXwjVQVi3JC29YqDw
Edit: Video #2 after working on this a bit more:
https://link.getonform.com/view?id=xpvCt03cWcxOflZzngtT
There's this weird feeling that's very different when I do this. It makes it feel less like I'm rotating the entire swing, and more rotating just enough to clear my left side, then a strong forward linear thrust/punch of my right side through the space where my left side was. That punch movement of the core then finishes extending the lead leg and lifts the lead shoulder. I'm guessing that I may have inadvertently discovered your intent/feeling of your Pelvic Punch video?

Is this a little bit more how I should be viewing the release?

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  By: Tyler F on Oct. 30, 2022, 10:15 a.m.

Tiger once said, "First I understand it better, then it looks better, then it feels better. Then it performs on the range, then on the course, then in a tournament".

It sounds, and looks, like you're understanding it better. Like you said, not 100% there, but definitely getting more of a classic look at impact with some space and arm extension (these are both great for helping control shallowness and depth).

I like the orange shirt. Rotation looks similar but the vertical movement is much greater and better timed. Trail shoulder is lower too. Sometimes we have to recalibrate movements (like rotation, or arm height) where it's more useful initially to look at how the swing looks rather than how it feels. Yes, sounds like you stumbled upon the intention of a couple of drills, like the pelvic punch.

Keep it up!

Tyler

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  By: Andrew S on Nov. 10, 2022, 4:37 p.m.

Whew, this has been tough to figure out, but I definitely feel like I'm on the right track. Your new video today was pretty timely, as that's sort of what I've been working on. I've really been trying to use the vertical of the lead shoulder to pull the handle upwards and cause that release, but that did require reframing how I saw the golf swing. Right now my new current feeling is sort of like pull-starting a lawn-mower with my lead shoulder, all while attempting to keep my right shoulder aimed in a line at the ball.

One thing I think I've noticed that I think I need to get my right hip forward (toward the target) sooner (almost like a hip thrust at the target)? That requires me to keep some at least some of my pressure on that rear foot so I can use it to push. Sort of like I have to skate-push my trail foot back and away towards 7 or 8o'clock (12 being target). I seem to stall and collapse if I get too much pressure (like 90%+) too soon on that lead foot. I might have over-compensated my pressure shift as a result of watching all those AMG and Swing Catalyst videos without understanding the sequencing properly.

Definitely also still need to work on ulnar deviation, I think I may be getting too much of my shallowing from the rear shoulder. I don't really feel any trail arm supination in the downswing at all, which I gather I should be doing more actively.
Edit: Ooh, I think I made a discovery with one of my challenges with arm shallowing. If I keep my trail elbow more neutral at the top of the swing, that little elbow bump in front (external rotation) in transition combined with a little trail wrist supination it really gets the club head moving back and behind me. I think previously I had basically been maxing out my trail arm external rotation at the top of the swing, didn't leave me with anywhere to go with it in transition.

This is some of my latest practice. I'm still really having difficulty maintaining the feels when swinging from a dead stop, hence the rhythm drills.
https://link.getonform.com/view?id=3q61mMnWfsapK1kWFx5q

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  By: Tyler F on Nov. 14, 2022, 10:02 a.m.

The timing is still a little off. Your brain wants to continue moving down into the ball too long. In the screen capture I'm posting, I pause when you should be triggering the up movements. You'll see it's much earlier than you're doing in your rehearsals. I do admit that this is a tricky one to crack. Because it's tied to the power source.

For seeing power source items, often the face on view is more useful than the down the line.

And yes, you're right about ulnar deviation. The up movement with the body and the ulnar deviation should complement each other. The still picture to me looks like you've missed the window for ulnar deviating and are going to have to make a shoulder compensation through the release. Overall, impact is looking better.

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  By: Andrew S on Nov. 23, 2022, 8:41 a.m.

So I've been working on nothing but the release and ulnar for the last week and a half and I think I've made another realization. One of your videos on supination mentioned that the supination right before impact was caused by the extension of the arms at the end of the wipe, and wasn't a conscious turning over of the wrist/forearm. I'd kind of forgotten about the extension aspect of the wipe in my recent practice.

So if I'm understanding this correctly, the lead shoulder movement starts to cause the unhinging ulnar deviation of the wrists somewhere just around delivery position (P5.5-ish). Doing nothing else this could cause the unhinging of the wrists and cause the club to slam down heel first into the ground behind the ball with a wide-open club face. But in the process of the wipe, once you extend trail arm, this causes the supination that closes the clubface into impact. Essentially your Unhinge then Supinate video. If I'm on the right track, I think then I just need to get over my fear of that open clubface and hitting the ground behind the ball, and start to allow that unhinging at the right time and trust that the extension of the trail arm will close that club face into the ball.

Below is a short video of me practicing the unhinge and slowly working in the extension to supination.
https://link.getonform.com/view?id=OKAr9h7dgX8fbWYGylK1

Edit: been working on this a lot since posting. I think I've realized that I need more of a horizontal component with my lead shoulder. By that I mean I think I need to not only lift that lead shoulder, but move it away from the ball at the same time, ie maintaining the spine angle, rather than excessive right side bend which gets my shoulder plane to near vertical. Or that's just a day to day feel that prevents the lead arm pull, which does seem to be one of my more recurrent negative tendencies.

Edit: Also apologies about the many long-winded stream of consciousness posts. I'm a verbal processor, so these are as much my self-coaching journal as they are seeking feedback.

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