Over Rotation? Lack of Arm Extension?

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Over Rotation? Lack of Arm Extension?  

  By: Joey L on April 25, 2025, 11:11 a.m.

I've always had very rotated shoulders in my full swing end position but also when doing 9-3.
Ive thought about maybe getting my arms more separated from my chest during the extension? But maybe my chest is just too open too early and my arms get forward too quickly?

Wondering if you think this is an issue in the first place, and then if it is what the prioritized list of things to look at might be.

Thanks a bunch

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Re: Over Rotation? Lack of Arm Extension?  

  By: Tyler F on April 28, 2025, 1:17 p.m.

I do think you're on to something with your arms. If I look at your release and arm action through the ball, it appears to have a few elements of lead arm pulling. The elbow pit quickly rotates, the lead shoulder isn't very protracted/elevated, and the lead wrist appears to have limited ulnar deviation.

This combination pulls the arm past the body, which makes it look like the body hasn't rotated much. I'd address the lead arm, perhaps work on your lead arm only and see if the same pattern shows up.

Happy Golfing,
Tyler

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Re: Over Rotation? Lack of Arm Extension?  

  By: Joey L on May 9, 2025, 9:20 p.m.

Thanks for the feedback so far! I didn't quite understand the lead arm pulling concept/wording. From the comment on the shoulder and elbow I'm thinking of the feeling where you "supinate" your arm with the shoulder and humerus instead of the forearm? I'm thinking if that's the case and you are still in radial, the club flies out or gets "pulled"?

I did play around with the left arm feels thought but, haven't really been able to nail down a useful feel yet.

For a while I was getting really pulled into the ideas of the wipe thinking that was my issue but I believe that was misguided as shown in the video and diagrams. The diagram here shows the difference between my "handsy" exaggerated feel and my pivot driven feel I've been working towards.

Of note it seems like I'm doing some sort of held off turn and then a really late stall in my lead wrist? My club is just so behind my chest at impact and I believe I must be using this wrist extension to save it?

At this point I figure it's a combination of lacking ulnar which would make the supination into a pull pattern? I think what I learned at some point instead of that was this wrist motion. It's also worth noting my club is generally pretty shut at the top.

My current idea is to focus on supported supination drills with a focus on ulnar allowing for supination. Maybe even before that I need to work on low to high with preset ulnar with a focus on letting my trail hand get above my lead. During that time I figure I will build more trust in low point in the world where my handle goes up as ulnar sends the club down.

Would love to here your thoughts on my diagnosis and prescription. Also if you any additional pieces of information would make diagnosing easier!

Cheers,

Joey

Edit: I started to think that my handsy feel is actually closer than my body turn feel. Played around with delaying my release in that feel instead of releasing earlier with my body turn feel. Just added that video but I'm noticing my left arm supination, internal vs external elbow, and elbow bend are all over the place.

 Last edited by: Joey L on May 10, 2025, 10:32 a.m., edited 6 times in total.
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Re: Over Rotation? Lack of Arm Extension?  

  By: Tyler F on May 18, 2025, 8:59 a.m.

Hi Joey,

In general, I think ulnar deviation is one of the keys to wrist stability and radius/club face control.

In the full speed swing you posted, I think it's apparent that part of the issue is the movement through the ball seems like it's pulling the club up to a finish rather than extending away from you. Part of the reason for the ulnar and the supination is to help the club swing away from you at the body (width, not really path) rather than pulling in. When you pull in with your arms, you'll have a hard time with a shorter finish. That might be a good challenge for you. If you figure out the hit hard, stop short idea, you'd likely have a more stable release. https://www.golfsmartacademy.com/golf-instruction/hit-hard-and-stop-short/

You could also experiment with the lead arm crutch to feel the ulnar deviation better. https://www.golfsmartacademy.com/golf-instruction/arm-height-crutch/ The wipe could be related, but my gut tells me it's more of the lead arm pattern driving the issue.

Happy Golfing,
Tyler

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