Early extension (late)

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Early extension (late)  

  By: Ed C on Jan. 1, 2021, 10:43 a.m.

Have been trying to drill early extension out of my stock swing with “beat the drum” and other drills, with the tiniest of visible progress. (Although ball flight, distance, and dispersion are better).

Question on path: assuming more torso rotation and staying in posture is a steepening move, would that mean arms need to get more shallow assuming same depth of backswing?

Question on face: assuming one can stay in posture better through impact, what does that do the face relative to the early extension baseline?

I think I need to overcome these mental questions specific to my swing to start to trust the movements I need to incorporate.

Thanks!

 Last edited by: Ed C on Jan. 1, 2021, 10:54 a.m., edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Early extension (late)  

  By: Tyler F on Jan. 4, 2021, 2:50 p.m.

Hi Ed,

Answers:
1 - Yes, Body down and body turn are both steepeners, so usually that is balanced by more shallow arm movements (arm rotation and ulnar deviation).

2 - staying in posture tends to slow down the rate of closure, and generally make it less closed. Usually staying down helps the left miss for early extenders.

I hope that helps clear things up.

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Re: Early extension (late)  

  By: Ed C on Jan. 4, 2021, 11:21 p.m.

Tyler, thanks for clearing that up. If we're maintaining that spine angle and using the obliques properly, and the ball is starting to leak to the right, Is more left wrist bow and left forearm supination the only remaining way to close the face?

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Re: Early extension (late)  

  By: Paul Y on Jan. 7, 2021, 2:31 p.m.

Hi Ed
Hope you don't mind me commenting on the swing but I've got a couple of things you might want to try.
1. Right and left hand at address are strong which is fine... But it looks like the right hand might of crept further underneath the shaft compared to your previous post. So maybe try to gently tweek that back a bit more side on to the shaft.
2. Pelvis is positioned at address heavily over towards the right leg. I think for balance purposes it should be central with equal flex to the knees so weight is more 50-50.
3. At set up weight looks Very much back in both heels. Weight should start centered in both feet at address.
4. top of backswing weight looks rooted in both heels Which is evident in the left heel roll from face on at top of the backswing.
5. From there weight has to shoot out towards balls of the feet on the way down. That I believe might be why you have trouble with early extension.
Watch this drill from Victor Hovlands Coach
https://youtu.be/0CZNKvGqV14

I would do a towel or noodle under both feet to feel where your weight is moving. When doing your pivot drills at home.

I actually think your swing has some really good movements and the balance may be where your getting stuck with ee.

Hope that helps

Best of luck

Paul

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Re: Early extension (late)  

  By: Ed C on Jan. 7, 2021, 7:57 p.m.

Thanks for the feedback, Paul!

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Re: Early extension (late)  

  By: Paul Y on Jan. 8, 2021, 3:51 a.m.

Keep us updated good or bad how you get on

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Re: Early extension (late)  

  By: Tyler F on Jan. 11, 2021, 1:43 p.m.

If it's going off to the right, it looks to me like it is a little "wipey" down at the bottom. The supination seems the most likely because the path appears to dart left just after impact.

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Re: Early extension (late)  

  By: Ed C on March 30, 2021, 1:06 a.m.

After my lesson with Tyler in late Jan, I have been working on more forearm release, less with the shoulder. Ball flight is a nice tight draw unless I lose focus and activate the trail shoulder - then it's a big hook. Here are two videos of the progress thus far.

Two questions:

- with the lead elbow bending at 3 o'clock in the follow-through, is it due to more of a roll release, and not enough ulnar on the lead wrist? does the bend matter for consistency?
- still seeing the early extension on the DTL view ... i'm guessing I still need more forearm release, and less from the shoulder, so I can maintain spine angle?

 Last edited by: Ed C on March 30, 2021, 1:53 a.m., edited 10 times in total.
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Re: Early extension (late)  

  By: Tyler F on April 4, 2021, 10:16 a.m.

Hey Ed,

Question 1 - The follow-through arm bend could be something to monitor. But keep in mind that its part of your overall pattern. Your clubface is in a pretty strong position, especially for how closed your chest is at the same point. And from the face on, that's a lot of axis tilt for a 6 iron. Both of those help prevent a pull start line with the stronger grip if you aren't more open. The down the line video shows a lot of curve - illustrating the face-to-path relationship.

It's not quite the same, but I did a video on how that combo can cause low point issues, but it can also cause the early extension and lifting through the release in an effort to prevent the face from over closing.

Question 2 - The arms don't look like they are the major contributor to the early extension at this point. I think it's more of a pivot issue, which is complicated by the clubface orientation.

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