2 o clock finish keys?

Hi Tyler!
I found your keys to a successful finish position (follow through to finish video for those who may be curious) enormously helpful.
I’ve recently started focusing more on integrating 10-2 swings into my practice(only took me a year haha). Do you have any keys to the 2 o clock finish that you would kindly share?

These reps look ok? Please pardon the start line; you know I don’t mind a push ;)

Thank you so much, and happy 1 year. I’m so glad I stumbled across GSA!
Zach

Ok, so I’ve learned to be leery of the phrase “I think I’m getting it,” but how’s this looking?

I took your idea about lead scap bracing to mean a mirror to the right shoulder “pack” from the backswing- is that correct? Is this the idea, scapula wise?

As far as arms, I feel that both radial bones have rotated slightly past a thumbs up orientation and my wrists are still in UD.

For the body I folded your “down too long” idea(which I really love because it allows you to bounce down more aggressively without hurting your back) into your idea of the spine being like an elephant trunk(which also blew open doors and turned on lights), with the image from your analysis of JT of his centers exploding in opposite directions from a “stacked” place in transition, and addressed my uneven side bend after your observation that it was causing me to lose my balance (more lights and doors- turtle shell and and lean the wrong way). All that has led me to here: what do you think?

Thank you as always and I hope your holidays are shaping up grandly,
Zach

PS- when it comes to me needing stuff to work on, I can’t imagine ever getting to a place where I’m not working on something.
;)

See? This is why saying “I’m getting it” is bad!!

Although, I think I have had more insight. I’ve been coming at the problem from an arm swing perspective, wondering what happens after impact during a proper slow motion rehearsal. Does the un released flying wedge “climb up the wall” a la Bender, or do the wrists release and then forearms stop rolling(relatively), like Champ or Xander, or is it more that the forearms keep rolling over(face on video)? I’ve seen all of these demonstrated by coaches.

What I really was after though is the balanced and right looking spot you arrive at effortlessly(still photo) and I believe the roadblock in my case was less about arm mechanics and more in an incomplete understanding of bracing.

When I practice a lot, I get sore on my lower right side, spine adjacent, in what feels like the multifidus but could be the QL muscle, and what I finally realized about proper bracing(and I hope I’m correct here) is it stabilizes all the muscles AROUND the lower back and protects it. When I combine that with *doing* less(open palm trail hand) and just letting the arms do what they’re going to do, I arrive at a spot that feels in my heart much more like where you end up(pardon my cartoonish proportions as I work macro feels of down then up in slowish DTL video). Is this more the right track?

Thank you in advance as always and Happy Holidays!

Edit- threw in a night rep from a few days later, and it definitely feels more correct.

Makes perfect sense. I was hoping I would look more elegant, but I’m getting Zach Johnson hitting PW vibes.

Is what I said.

Then, I realized that you said what you said, and that I would have to do the work to find out what I needed to feel. I also remembered that it was anatomically possible to rotate the humerus while packing the shoulder joint. I had to fight through some middle aged shoulder crunchies to continue on but the light bulbs did go off.

Is the night video more of the creature?

TIA,

Z

It this more like it? I feel like it is, but I’m often wrong when it comes to this pursuit.

TIA

Z

*Submits hopefully*

Hey Tyler, happy solstice.

I feel like it was a year ago, blowing up your inbox like this. This is just a large visible piece falling into place, I think. I’ll continue to refine my bracing strategies but I think you’ve really given me something crucial here. Thank you, and Merry Christmas!

Zach

These are my impressions; I’ll put them down and then organize them afterward. I’ll try and do justice to your question.

It is a massively different feel, and not easy for me to get to consistently just yet.

-Incredibly high and far out to the right. Like it would make all the hook path in the world(see pic).
-Trail palm facing slightly away.
-Max UD all the way through. Like I was trying to poke a hole in a low ceiling with the top of the grip.
-My body feels stretched out in the front and my right glute almost feels like a boulder that I’m sitting on.
-it feels like so much more swing happens between impact and the finish, but I feel like my body rotates less to get there. My chest feels as if it’s pointed right at the target and stretches up instead of rotating left. Body facing the target and tall instead of rotating through so the right shoulder is closest to target.
-tension almost everywhere *but* the arms. Like even armpit and chest but not the arms themselves.
-hand path feels like a v that goes away from me on either side(like picture). At no point do I feel like they go inside or behind me
- in order to set up the finish, I have to do all the body things leading up to the finish at least mostly correctly, or it all falls apart(in terms of that linkage or tension). Most critical for me in particular are purposely starting the downswing with the hips first and the right side oblique crunch into delivery. Open trail hand drill helps with that.

- now shark fin and trail hand open is helping. Lead arm rotation happens just before trail arm runs out of motion

-almost like curling in that the body paves the way for the “team(arms and club)” to slide on unencumbered

Hi Tyler!

I got excited and wrote a bunch of words when you asked what this feels like and I potentially jumped the gun.
This is a very new set of feels and only just starting to become less elusive. Before I get too carried away, is this what we’re looking for? It took me a minute to cotton on to your gentle redirect toward your preferred look.

Please and thank you!

Z

Thank you so much, and happy new year to you! I feel like I’m zeroing on this set of feels, but also like I’m flying a bit blind. I’ve been boning up on anatomy some since starting GSA(ha ha), so if this is not it, would you be so kind as to tell me what to look for anatomically? If this is in fact what we’re looking for, then I now know exactly how I would describe it.

Thanks again!
Z

Hi Tyler!

Do I look to be understanding the objective?
I *think* this is getting better.

There were a couple of pieces I’ve had to go back and get; your ‘side bending through the ground’ video helped a lot with the hip slide, and then I’ve had to really exaggerate the feel of being low with the club at P6 and pulling up with the whole left side while activating the muscle chains along the insides of my arms. If I do that I’ve been able to hit a really low, straight ball that I like a lot(see included- although I didn’t get high enough quite fast enough, the shot worked out just fine).

Thank you, and stay warm!
Z

Thank you for helping me understand this! I’m going to circle back to this one, had some shallowing breakthroughs so it’s back to transition and release. I’m sure I’ll be back on this side of the swing before too long. :)

Z

Wait, is this the idea?

More betterest here?

Latest iteration here.

Trending correctly, I believe.

Cheers,
Z

Big light bulbs with “arm height crutch.” You roasted me pretty spot on with the last demonstration of arm pull, where the clubface turns over high outside the hands- that’s exactly it. That’s exactly what I do.

Man with you the hits just keep on coming. Still looking for a proper spatula.

Yours in gratitude,
Z

Ok….. I think I’m getting somewhere.
Those are dangerous words, I’ve come to find out, but I think I was having a hard time with this because my trail arm sequence was out of whack- I was trying to Zorro loop way too late, like down at the ball, instead of dropping the clubhead straight down with UD/supination. I can feel the resistance and face control is improved. I have a little fade and a little draw for you here- how does it look?

Also, I’m coming up on my renewal time. Would you be alright with me beginning the certification process? I’ll wait another year if sensei says I’m not ready, but I’m starting to feel like I just might be.

As always, thank you.

Zach

Circling back to this and hoping you might take a look.

Keys of lately :

Turtle shell abs
Lean the wrong way
Free swinging supination
Lead hip bracing
Stir the pasta

To me it looks pretty solid, but as always I’d appreciate your eyes. The still shots are at the end of swings focusing on lead scap bracing- am I doing that piece correctly? I couldn’t execute that move before because my shoulder joints were pretty crusty, but as I get more supple, I find I’m able to better perform the motion.

Thank you Tyler!

Zach

PS- what are your thoughts on the trail shoulder touching the chin on follow through? I know Hogan said he rubbed a hole there in his golf shirts. Personally I go back and forth, and I see tour pros on either side of that equation.

Thanks!

PPS early finish position still includes the arm structure I was so thirsty for, which for me ultimately tied back to free swinging supination.

Z