Finesse Wedge - Single Club or Multiple Clubs?

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Finesse Wedge - Single Club or Multiple Clubs?  

  By: Ed C on Feb. 2, 2020, 11:57 p.m.

When chipping or pitching around the green, I often hear professionals say something like:

a) land the ball on the green and get it rolling as soon as possible.
b) most amateurs don't think and just automatically grab their most lofted wedge

But then I heard Kevin Na being interviewed about his short game, and he let on that he literally uses his 60 degree wedge for every shot around the green. Does it really have an impact on scoring to primarily use 1 club vs. multiple clubs around the green?

The back and forth starts at 13 minutes in: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/pga-tour/on-the-mark-2/e/53421998?autoplay=true

As an amateur, I find it hard to constantly maintain deft touch for 4 different wedges, let alone determine how a golf ball will roll out over 30-50 feet of undulating green with each loft. It always seemed easier to get confident with one wedge. Or is this a hallucination?

 Last edited by: Ed C on Feb. 3, 2020, 12:19 a.m., edited 4 times in total.
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Re: Finesse Wedge - Single Club or Multiple Clubs?  

  By: Guy K on Feb. 3, 2020, 8:53 a.m.

+Ed C
James Ridyard has a presentation he gave to the PGA teaching and Coaching Summit back in 2015 and he mentioned that 95% of tour players use one (maybe two) club - quoted Jack on this. I'm in that camp - to me easily to develop skills with a club versus have to use multiple - can get my 55 or 60 to do pretty much whatever I want by making some adjustments to ball position, handle height, face, stance width, and arc width - Ridyard videos go into these in good detail as well as how he adapts his stock swing based on lie using three questions - come out higher/lower, fast/slower, more/less spin.

He notes that the "old school" method can work but that no one is really using it on tour as well as when he see it in folks they almost always have issues with the leading edge.

Guy

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Re: Finesse Wedge - Single Club or Multiple Clubs?  

  By: Tyler F on Feb. 6, 2020, 9:25 a.m.

+Ed C I think there are a couple of lessons to be learned here, but the major lesson is that you'll likely be better at what you practice. Now let me build on your comment.

Around the green, I like to build shots. Similar to a baseball pitcher working on pitches I think it's best to have stock short game shots that you can adjust when hitting shots on the course. Two logical approaches are to either try to keep your swing consistent and adjust the club, or you can keep the club consistent and adjust your swing.

For my better players (sub 10 handicap) I recommend using one club as your default but having a couple of other options for specialty shots. For these golfers, I'll try to teach them how to adjust set up and swing to control trajectory, spin, and distance.
However, I have a number of mid to high handicap golfers who I have work on one short game swing and adjust clubs for different distances. For golfers above 20 handicap, this can be a much easier way to create variability.

The main factors I would use to decide which you should use is the amount of practice you do, some of your short game swing tendencies (all arms or blended arms and body), and if your contact breaks down when you go beyond shaft parallel in the backswing.

Great discussion guys!

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Re: Finesse Wedge - Single Club or Multiple Clubs?  

  By: Nick W on April 26, 2020, 1:52 p.m.

+Tyler F
If you are using just one wedge, what degree do you typically recommend?

Nick

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Re: Finesse Wedge - Single Club or Multiple Clubs?  

  By: Tyler F on April 27, 2020, 10:30 a.m.

+Nick W For most golfers a 54 or 56 is a good starting point. For lower handicap golfers, I'd probably suggest a 58 or 60.

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Re: Finesse Wedge - Single Club or Multiple Clubs?  

  By: Nick W on April 27, 2020, 2:44 p.m.

+Tyler F
Thank you! Quick follow up questions.

By better players, would that be ~10hcp and below?

Is there a particular bounce you'd recommend? I think Sieckmann recommended 4 to 7 degrees for the 58 degree whereas Utley recommended 12 degrees for the 58.

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Re: Finesse Wedge - Single Club or Multiple Clubs?  

  By: Tyler F on April 30, 2020, 10:59 a.m.

+Nick W Depends a little bit. But I would put the better players at low single digit and below. At least the wedge play skills. If you have a hard time controlling loft and angle of attack, then you're better off changing clubs.

Prescribing a number for bounce is tricky. Different shapes have as much an impact as the number. Also, there is no industry standard for bounce, so 10 from one manufacturer could play very different than 10 from another.

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Re: Finesse Wedge - Single Club or Multiple Clubs?  

  By: Ed C on Feb. 3, 2020, 6:39 p.m.

Guy - thanks for sharing that - it is certainly eye opening!

edit: for future golf nerds -> link to the full presentation on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoTGCKnM270

Comment about 95% of players use 1 club around the green starts at 30:00 min mark

 Last edited by: Ed C on Feb. 5, 2020, 3:09 p.m., edited 2 times in total.
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