Q&A - Flat Spot and Where do I Start?

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So we had a couple of questions all we can kind of, I think we're going to be

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on, well,

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I think we'll have plenty of time for going through putting and chipping and

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wedge play.

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So we can definitely, we caught up in the morning, which was good, Logan had a

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question

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about the flat spot and Fred had a question about like, the diagnosis aspect,

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like where

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do you start, especially he's not a coach, so he's jumping in this and going

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through

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all this stuff as a player, and anyway, what the heck do I do going away from

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here, right?

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Is that fair?

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So first, Logan's question about the flat spot.

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So the flat spot basically happens from the handle moving in the opposite

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direction as

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the club.

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So if I was to, let's see what I'll break now.

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If I was to just kind of suspend it here and let it swing, right, it would

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follow a circular

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path, right?

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And you can see down at the bottom, kind of there's a certain like height to

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ground ratio

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that's changing.

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And it's different than what we saw with Jon Rom, right, when we saw that at

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the beginning

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of the day.

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So now if at the same time I had this coming up as I was releasing it, now it's

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moving

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in more of a flat bottom of the swing, right?

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Similarly, if I had it in the out, right, if this was on an angle, if I

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released it it

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would go that way.

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But now if I pull it in as I release it, it starts traveling in more of a

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straight line.

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So it's a combat, so the flat spot is created by the handle moving up and in as

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the club

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head is going down and out, and that allows you, you could have it, like the

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more you

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do it, you could have it in a really steep position where it would hit really

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deep and

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now it creates an even kind of longer flat spot.

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So that's why people get this look of kind of like way on top of it with shaft

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length.

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A little passage, it's about thigh parallel, kind of close to like 45 degrees,

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kind of

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like that.

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That's like the lowest, and then that extension side bend is what's going to

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bring this up

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because at the same time the hands are working away from you, right, that's

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increasing the

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arc width.

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So the hands are working away and slightly down compared to the body.

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So what's bringing them up and in is the body.

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So the body is creating more force up than the hands are going down.

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I'd be careful on the force, but like geometry wise the body is winning.

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It's like the arm is kind of a fixed length, and so it's pulling on the club

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this way because

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of the side bend and the extension and the rotation and the negative torsion

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movement

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and the elevating of the pelvis like the straightening of the leg, all that

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stuff, the rib cage

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moving away from the golf ball, all that stuff is helping move the handle

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slightly up and

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in as the club is going down and out that creates the flat spot.

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As far as the rate of closure stuff, we already talked about how when it's

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straight in line

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like this, it has basically, if you're looking at the moment arms, right, so

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when you have

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like, we were talking about force versus torque, so the example on this would

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be a force would

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move the whole club linearly and a torque would rotate it because I'm pushing

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not through

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the center of mass when I was doing the forces I'm moving through the center of

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mass.

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So with the rate of closure thing, if I have this in a straight line kind of

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like this,

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then there's no more moment arm between where, when I twist and how the club

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face is going

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to rotate, so it moves very fast because there's less resistance to me doing it

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If I have it more over here, now my arm is here and the club is over there, so

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some of

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the rotation moves the club and some of the rotation twists the club, it's not

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like a

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strong one to one, and so I have to apply more force in order to get the same

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like change.

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So by having it back here, I have a governor in terms of I can twist it faster

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and it's

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not going to twist as much as if it was straight in line.

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If I apply the same force there as there, it would twist it slower, like the

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same force

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in my forearm, not necessarily at the club.

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Does that make sense?

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I was just going to say can you touch on how, just because it's a flattening of

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the circle

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is not necessarily being as urine or the packing.

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It's absolutely, it's just a decrease in the change, it can be down, it can be

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up, it can

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be into out, like you could hit a 40 yard hook with a flat spot, yeah, that's a

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good

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point.

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I feel like the drill, the guy in your book here that helps you six and a half

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of that

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one where you're pulling that handle out of the ground.

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I'll use that sometimes to help with the negative torsion and kind of feeling

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the club coming,

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like the grip going up as the club is going down.

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Also sometimes you use that split hands because that gives a, like nobody ever

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with two hands

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is going to take the left hand and move it down, so when you have the split

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hand, you

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are definitely going to pull the lead side up.

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Those two work.

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So when we're at the top and we start to turn with our lower body and then with

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our ribs

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and our shoulders are staying back, and then you're saying as we start to

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rotate through

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or get into a deliberate position, the handle starts to work up because the

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chest is this

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stern, like what is coming into the negative torsion, is that what?

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So if, yeah, if I just kind of let my arms swing and I was at this angle, my

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hand is

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going downward, if I move this way and I let it swing, now it's coming upward.

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So like because of the body being in this position, the arms following that are

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going

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to become more up and in.

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So even as they're extending down and out compared to the body, so if I didn't

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move,

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they're kind of going down and out compared to the body, but I've timed that so

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that it's

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happening as this is going up and in and creates more of this gradual, smooth

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upward widening.

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That is the motion of your arms is here to here, right?

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Yeah, so we were talking about arc width and the big part of what creates the

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arc width

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is the arms straightening through impact instead of straightening to impact.

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So in order for it to then, in order for this to be bent long enough, I have to

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have some

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side bend, that puts me in a position where now as I extend it, it's going to

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follow that

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hand path up and in, and that's, that combo is what creates the flat spot.

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So one thing I was always confused me is any impact that you're just

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demonstrating your

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shoulders aren't parallel to the title line, the left shoulders back and up and

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around.

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In a lot of videos of pros I've seen, it doesn't look like the shoulders are

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really

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parallel but it's more open.

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It goes back to that.

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I think it's more like a goal to be parallel.

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I wouldn't necessarily, I mean, I wouldn't say it's necessarily like, again,

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that's looking

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at how much versus kind of the, the tension aspect.

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I think the goal is to have the shoulders in somewhat of this orientation.

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If I have them in this orientation, then where they're going to be aligned

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depends a lot

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on how much my body is rotated and where it's pointing.

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So I don't think there would be an, an appreciable improvement if I was there

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versus there and

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kind of in the same kind of zone in relationship.

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It's more that position in that stretch.

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Going back to that slide ahead about, you know, what arm angle in order to

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stretch the soas.

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But that's where a lot of people trying to like force this to be shoulder,

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shoulders

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to be parallel, kind of like, stop the body.

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I use that a lot.

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Yeah.

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I use that to prevent this lead arm from pulling down, right?

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So that gets the, the relative separation between the arm and the, and the

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torso.

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And then that, then the shoulders continue on around, right?

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Yes.

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So does it work like from the core to the ribs to your shoulders, like a spring

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uncloiling?

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Yeah.

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For you, I've been traveling.

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Did I do this thing yesterday?

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Versus recoil, so I do this one a lot.

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Can you still see me over here?

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So one of the, one of the ways that I'll communicate, like, because a lot of

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people

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don't feel powerful when they start feeling the shoulders going back, unless

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you get a

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little bit of the translation, then you feel like you still have something

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moving in towards

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the target.

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That overcomes the feeling of it being too weak.

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And part of what that does is if I get up here and I just spin and I try, and I

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'm doing

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a few just to kind of warm up, but if I try to like really hit kind of turning

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like that,

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you can see, hey, the speed looks like it's a little bit easier, or earlier,

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right?

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Compare that to now, if I turn my lower body, and I'm going to try to turn this

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way with

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my upper body, so I'm going to try to get that stretch.

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And then I'm going to let myself kind of rebound from that stretch, right?

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So now, if you had me do like 50 of these, this is more of a workout.

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My abs are going to be tired.

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This one, I might get dizzy, but I'm not going to get nearly like, honestly,

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when I do that

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it's like my foot feels like it's going to cramp because it's absorbing so much

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speed

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rather than like what I feel in my upper body.

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So part of what we're trying to do in that rib cage movement there is to load

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this recoil

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through the ball versus having like an active hit through the ball.

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And if I direct the angle, that recoil is going to go up and around as my arms

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are getting

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like flung off my body, which is going to create that flat spot.

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And it's also going to create more speed, but with less effort.

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>> What is Roy doing when he has his kick back and goes backwards?

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>> My belief from looking at it is basically he's like trying to push against

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the ground

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and the ground is no longer there.

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Like he's created enough vertical force that when he goes to extend the glute

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and push

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that way, there's nothing to resist it, so it kind of goes backward.

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>> You see it a lot in baseball.

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>> Yeah, there's just like not enough friction to keep it.

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I don't think it's like the, I don't think anything's actually trying to go

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that way.

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>> As the EP force.

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>> Yeah.

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Any other questions?

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>> He comes back to their own reaction force.

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>> Yes.

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>> Yeah, I think the body can create more force, it can create more smooth

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graphs.

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Like when you try to just do stuff with your shoulder, like frequently I use an

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example

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from art, my grandfather was an artist and he would talk about stuff.

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If you try to draw with your hand, you'll have really sharp, but kind of like j

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aggedy

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movements.

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If you try to move more from your shoulder and your body, you'll have smooth

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curves.

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Right?

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Well, I think the same thing can be applied to like control of the club.

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And if you're controlling the club more from the body movements, the graphs

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will look smoother

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compared to if you're controlling them more with the arm and the hand movements

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.

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So I had a student last week who was messing around, he's got a Sam and he was

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working

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on it and he was like, "I'm trying to smooth out my acceleration graph."

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And I was like, "How?"

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He was like, "By being smoother."

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I was like, "Well, how are you going to be smoother?"

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And so I did one of the little, or one of the putting things that we're going

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to do and

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the graphs moved out because we used the body instead of trying to use the arms

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He was just trying to use the arms smoother and he was like, "Man, it's really

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hard."

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Does he talk on early extension?

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Sure.

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So the force plate stuff, it's an imbalance in AP or the, for anterior

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posterior is the,

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okay, just making sure everybody knew.

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So anterior posterior is basically the forces this way.

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I would say early extension is basically not using your core properly.

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Like you're typically keeping your back too flat and so you're getting some of

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the change

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of your center of mass more from the lower body or from the upper body instead

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of doing

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it more in the bottom of the rib cage or the core.

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That's my take on it.

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Now why you do it could be as a way to create space to straighten the arm for a

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low point,

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as a way to allow the arms to fully extend the square of the club face because

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I have

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a hard time twisting the club.

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There are multiple reasons I think people do it but I think you can boil it

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down to either

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how they're pushing against the ground or what they're doing with their core.

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So similar to the, similar to the art, I think of grip styles like holding a

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paintbrush.

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So as long as you like, as long as you have like control and it lines up with

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the pathways

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of muscles that I want to use, then I think we're going to be fine.

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So I'm not too worried about it being like perfect.

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In general, I like, like even gaps, I don't want to have like a really hard

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grip pressure

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through one part of the hand as opposed to, like I would rather have the

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pressure be more

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evenly distributed, maybe a slight emphasis on the last three fingers and

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middle two and

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that pressure point that we talked about with the alignment stick loading, the

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trigger

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finger, the knuckle.

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I think that by having too much grip pressure, especially in the thumb side, if

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you really

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squeeze this way, it tends to activate the top of the shoulder where if you

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squeeze more

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from like the heel side of the hand, it'll activate more the inside of the armp

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it.

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So that's why I think gripping more, this part is better than gripping at the

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thumb side.

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So yeah, as long as it satisfies the goals, transferring speeds, still creating

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a good

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release, controlling the club face, I don't worry about it too much.

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It's not something that I like micro-tweet to try to get perfect.

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I would say like the flexion side of neutral, like so if this is my neutral, it

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would be

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like there, so it's not like I want like full on as much pelvic tilt as I can

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do and I definitely

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don't want to be like anterior tilted, so it's just slightly to the flexion

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side of neutral.

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Just engage the abs a little bit, no little posterior, posterior, posterior.

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So I have a test, I think it's in the book, it's definitely in the program,

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where basically

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if you can't get into, I'll basically have you get set up and then try and turn

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and

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get your pelvis to point at the target, if you can't get there, like if I put

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my foot

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turned in, that's as much as I can get, right?

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So now what am I going to do in my swing in order to finish a swing?

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So I'll usually kind of like build it, that feels okay.

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And then I come back, it's a little bit more flared out than I might be useful.

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So I usually use that test to kind of figure out a starting point.

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So that one, I'll tend to flare if I feel like they're like overloading the

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knee and

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maybe getting like too much of a lateral movement.

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But the tricky thing, I'm not a huge fan of going like extreme duck, right?

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I feel like A, it's kind of a little bit hard balance wise and B, if I flare

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out the trail

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foot, now I've made it, on the downswing, what am I going to do?

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So on the downswing, this hip has to go into external rotation as it goes into

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extension

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and I just made that a lot harder.

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So I'd err on maybe just a slight turn out of the trail foot, but not so much

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that it

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restricts the downswing.

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I've never directly asked for that.

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I've had golfers where I haven't corrected it, you know, especially if someone

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's kind

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of like a little, like they come walking in and they're a little kind of like

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knock-knee

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or knee-valgeus.

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I think it's a way to help load the foot better.

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It's a little bit of like a stretch shortened for the abs.

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So like as I get here and I start translating, I'm like stretching that that's

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then going

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to recoil, right?

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It's like stretching the arm before I bend it backward.

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But it's very slight.

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In transition it goes slightly anterior.

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Some do it too much, but you can see it on video where it goes slightly

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anterior before

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Gispidger.

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If you want to see who does it the most, look at Fred Couples.

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It's probably part of his back pain issue, but he's got like 15 degrees.

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Yeah.

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He's a really easy one to look at.

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Yes?

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I break the downswing into transition and release and I switch it up somewhere

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right

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around here where the grip is reaching max speed and the force and the lead leg

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is the

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highest.

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So I consider that kind of like building speed in the grip and then I consider

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the release

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going from there and transferring that speed from the grip to the club head and

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it kind

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of ends it when the arc width is the widest.

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Is that all the questions?

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Other than Fred's, where do I start, right?

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Anyone want to take a stab at it before I give my thoughts?

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If you've got a student who like let's say he just attended like a two day

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school with

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you, he's like overwhelmed, where do I start?

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I think the first thing you've got is what is the problem has to be solved.

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Which is a great question.

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That's definitely where I would start as well, which would be like, well, you

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know, I would

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say what's your goal?

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We just covered a lot of different possible solutions, but we have to identify

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a problem,

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right?

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Am I looking for more solid contact?

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Am I looking for like curve control or am I looking for more distance or other?

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I mean, I'm getting out of meters, I'm 17, so the flexibility is challenging,

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strength

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and challenging, but I'd like to maintain a little bit of distance.

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I do like your metrics on iron play is to really move the needle maybe more

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than the

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other parts.

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And so I'd like to get a little bit longer off the key so I'm not using hybrid,

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hybrid,

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hybrid all the time, but I'd like to have, you know, I mean, when I get an iron

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the way

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you've taught and I can do it, it feels real good.

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One of the best feelings in sports.

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And I'd like to, I'd like to repeat that more.

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Okay.

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So starting like, you know, where would I start?

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Okay.

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I mean, I might go a long time.

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Right.

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I mean, how many years left in the area?

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So I mentioned, oh, that's good.

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And if anyone wants to jump in while I pull this up, they can.

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How do you teach an old dog with tricks?

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Well, I do have a pretty hard head.

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I'm saying, well, I'm with you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so here's the other thing that I would say there is like, okay, so it

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sounded like

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distance is a big goal, but I always say before you do any distance training,

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when you

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try to hit the ball harder, you're probably going to lose contact or direction.

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So you better have ideas as far as how to fix contact and direction before you

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start

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trying to do too much speed train.

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And so that second part of like, well, there's something with my iron play,

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like I don't

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feel like my release is very good or I don't feel that consistent kind of

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compression.

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I might start there, but as a as like a global, like here's what I show with a

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lot of my

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students, which is you've seen, you've seen this slide before, I'll talk about

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kind of

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if you're checking in on video what to look for.

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I say if we're starting with a goal, there's two big goals.

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You could either have a goal like I need to, I want to hit the ball further, I

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want to

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hit the ball more solid, or you could say I want to fix my first, my worst miss

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.

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I hook the ball, I chunk it, I shank it, like by fix it, you, those are two

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different pathways.

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You can either chase a goal or you can fix the miss and either one can get you

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there,

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but I think that the easier one is fixing misses because then, and that's where

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the stats

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come in.

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You're just like, you know, I'm doing okay, but I make a couple of triples

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because I hit

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it out of bounds twice, twice around, or, you know, I hit, I've hit 11 fairways

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, but

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I only hit five greens, like I'm just not hitting my iron solid enough.

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That would be a worse miss that we could then chase versus I just want to hit

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the ball more

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solid or I want to hit more greens, does that make sense?

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But those are two viable starting points.

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From there, I started impact.

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So if we're starting it impact, I usually start with this slide and I'd be like

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, okay,

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can you see some similarities with these golfers in terms of the location of

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their upper body,

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kind of on top of the lower body, the lower body turned, but the shoulder is a

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little bit

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more square compared to it, and the hands slightly ahead of the golf ball.

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Now it varies a little bit based on the frame rate and it varies a little bit

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based on the

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length of the club.

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So the longer the club, the more the upper body will be a little bit back,

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shorter the

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club, like this is like a knockdown nine iron that he was hitting, the more

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that the upper

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body will be on top, but you can kind of see a lot of similarities here.

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This is like where we would start with solid contact.

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It doesn't matter which tour.

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So then I would say, okay, let's videotape your swing from the face on and see

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what's

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the biggest piece or the worst offender that's making it not look like these

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players here.

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And then if you had hard time, like let's say the big ones would be either this

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is all

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the same, I have no separation, I'm tilted behind, my arms are back and bent,

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like nothing's

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far enough forward, right?

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So then based on what we saw on the video, then I might do some of the tactile

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coaching.

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I'd be like, all right, well, we see on there, you know, it just doesn't look

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like your pelvis

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in your shoulders are pointing in the right direction.

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Let's work on the pivot or it doesn't look like your hands are forward.

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Let's investigate why the hands are more back.

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Is it because the club faces out of position because you're in a bad position

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at the top,

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but whatever we're doing, we're trying to change that impact position.

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Does that make sense?

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So, and then I have like little, little like sub presentations in here.

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If I wanted to say like, okay, I struggle with the iron or the driver, well,

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that's

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because I'm not adjusting my swing, like this, I use this slide when people are

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like, it's

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the same swing driver versus iron.

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Like, look at, he is holding the club kind of the same way.

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Or this is where we were talking about the 3T drill that we did out there.

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So you see the height of the golf club pretty much at the height of the golf

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ball like foot

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to foot, height of the golf club coming into the golf ball, that's kind of that

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flat spot.

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You compare that with more erratic drivers of golf ball like Phil Mickelson or

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Aaron

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Badley or here was Luke Donald and you'll see that it's, the golf club is

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actually higher

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than the height of the golf ball, so it's coming down on more, it doesn't have

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as much

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of this flat bottom of the swing, he's pretty good way, minus one, is that what

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00:28:25.590 --> 00:28:28.360
you said?

506
00:28:28.360 --> 00:28:35.490
So then if we're working on solid contact, then I usually start, well, here's

507
00:28:35.490 --> 00:28:36.880
that delivery

508
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.920
and go kind of sequence, here's delivery position follow through.

509
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:43.820
So you can pick which one you want to look at, look at either, I'll go back and

510
00:28:43.820 --> 00:28:44.160
forth

511
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:51.580
a couple of times, so look at the far right picture, whether more similarities

512
00:28:51.580 --> 00:28:54.840
or differences.

513
00:28:54.840 --> 00:29:10.450
Okay, and now look at the far left picture, so that's how you become consistent

514
00:29:10.450 --> 00:29:12.000
, is like

515
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:16.630
chasing those looks, but understanding where those looks come from and knowing,

516
00:29:16.630 --> 00:29:16.840
well, in

517
00:29:16.840 --> 00:29:22.230
order to get here, my shoulders have to work right, I have to get more of this,

518
00:29:22.230 --> 00:29:22.560
like their

519
00:29:22.560 --> 00:29:27.400
components to it, but if you just chase those looks in the appropriate way, you

520
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:28.060
have your

521
00:29:28.060 --> 00:29:29.460
road map.

522
00:29:29.460 --> 00:29:34.980
So that's like solid contact, but that doesn't tell me anything about distance,

523
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:35.440
I mean a

524
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:39.050
little bit, like I'm going to hit the ball solidly, so I'll be efficient, but

525
00:29:39.050 --> 00:29:39.680
it doesn't

526
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:44.290
tell me, you know, length of backswing and amount of impulse and stuff that's

527
00:29:44.290 --> 00:29:44.760
giving

528
00:29:44.760 --> 00:29:45.760
me distance.

529
00:29:45.760 --> 00:29:54.050
If I work on solid contact first and move the needle on that distance, distance

530
00:29:54.050 --> 00:29:55.040
may come

531
00:29:55.040 --> 00:29:59.560
indirectly, and it will set you up to be able to train it if you wanted to.

532
00:29:59.560 --> 00:30:00.560
So that's where I would go.

533
00:30:00.560 --> 00:30:01.560
Does that make sense?

534
00:30:01.560 --> 00:30:08.710
So between you and me, why did I put together a curriculum, because there's a

535
00:30:08.710 --> 00:30:11.520
lot of content

536
00:30:11.520 --> 00:30:16.000
you have, a curriculum of videos that I'd like to work on, and I'll add my own

537
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:16.600
videos,

538
00:30:16.600 --> 00:30:19.360
and maybe I could share them with you.

539
00:30:19.360 --> 00:30:24.800
Yeah, we can figure out some structure for that, yeah.

540
00:30:24.800 --> 00:30:25.800
Does that make sense?

541
00:30:25.800 --> 00:30:26.800
Yeah.

542
00:30:26.800 --> 00:30:29.080
Is that helpful for anybody else, or?

543
00:30:29.080 --> 00:30:30.080
Okay.

544
00:30:30.080 --> 00:30:38.660
In Van Damme, got to work with her once.

545
00:30:38.660 --> 00:30:41.530
That was really, yeah, but unfortunately, she was just striping it, she was

546
00:30:41.530 --> 00:30:42.140
like, "Let's

547
00:30:42.140 --> 00:30:44.600
go work on my wedge play."

548
00:30:44.600 --> 00:30:48.960
She was hitting like 175, seven irons, just like on a rope.

549
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:49.960
Yeah.

550
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:58.930
You just showed a web page from your website, from analysis, right, like, that

551
00:30:58.930 --> 00:30:59.920
's right.

552
00:30:59.920 --> 00:31:00.920
You mean this?

553
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:07.760
This is part of the whole video section, on twin analysis.

554
00:31:07.760 --> 00:31:09.880
This is just a PDF, you mean?

555
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:12.520
Oh, I thought this was- But this is on the website.

556
00:31:12.520 --> 00:31:15.680
This is the PDF of analyzing your own swing.

557
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:17.840
Is that what it's supposed to be?

558
00:31:17.840 --> 00:31:21.080
I think I have internet over here.

559
00:31:21.080 --> 00:31:39.120
If you go to courses, be your own coach, swing analysis, so that was the

560
00:31:39.120 --> 00:31:42.560
overview and then

561
00:31:42.560 --> 00:31:43.560
those little ones.

562
00:31:43.560 --> 00:31:49.200
Fix your worst miss, solid, shank, driver, it's this, it's me going through

563
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:50.640
that PowerPoint.

564
00:31:50.640 --> 00:32:01.680
Or that PDF?

565
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:07.980
And part of the wedge play stuff are taken from the courses that I have on each

566
00:32:07.980 --> 00:32:08.840
section,

567
00:32:08.840 --> 00:32:14.230
on putting, on wedge play, on bunker, because I think the overview is like once

568
00:32:14.230 --> 00:32:14.760
you dig

569
00:32:14.760 --> 00:32:18.860
into the overview, it's the same for everybody and then it's just the layers of

570
00:32:18.860 --> 00:32:19.640
how you solve

571
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.440
it, is the bigger difference.

572
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:26.600
All right, you talk putting?

573
00:32:26.600 --> 00:32:28.600
Or any other questions?

574
00:32:28.600 --> 00:32:30.480
Go in once.

575
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:37.160
Okay, so we'll go through this stuff real quickly.

576
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:40.650
We didn't even do it for the distance wedge and it wasn't too distracting,

577
00:32:40.650 --> 00:32:41.160
right?

578
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:45.940
I mean, you felt like you could follow the three center or the three traits of

579
00:32:45.940 --> 00:32:48.040
stack centers,

580
00:32:48.040 --> 00:32:50.880
constant radius, and smooth force.

581
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.420
So real quick, I'll just show you what we're going to go do with the putting

582
00:32:54.420 --> 00:32:55.000
and we'll

583
00:32:55.000 --> 00:33:01.030
probably do the, actually, we'll come back here in between the wedging, we'll

584
00:33:01.030 --> 00:33:01.640
warm up

585
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:02.840
a little bit.

586
00:33:02.840 --> 00:33:05.840
Okay, so putting.

587
00:33:05.840 --> 00:33:09.360
Everybody agrees that there are three primary skills.

588
00:33:09.360 --> 00:33:13.420
You have starting the ball on a line, hitting it at a specific speed and then

589
00:33:13.420 --> 00:33:14.040
reading the

590
00:33:14.040 --> 00:33:18.580
green so that you aim that line in the right place so that it hits the hole,

591
00:33:18.580 --> 00:33:19.240
right?

592
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:24.480
They usually start people with start line.

593
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:28.380
When I'm interviewing a student about their putting, I'll usually say there's

594
00:33:28.380 --> 00:33:29.000
like three

595
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.280
big skills and then I'll say it kind of shows up differently in your putting.

596
00:33:32.280 --> 00:33:34.800
So there's three zones.

597
00:33:34.800 --> 00:33:37.800
You have your short putts of like, say, 12 feet and in.

598
00:33:37.800 --> 00:33:41.750
You have your medium putts of like 12 to 25 feet and you have your long putts

599
00:33:41.750 --> 00:33:42.240
of, let's

600
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.780
say, 30 feet and out and then I'll usually ask, well, which one do you struggle

601
00:33:45.780 --> 00:33:46.200
with?

602
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.930
Because usually the short putts is mostly about start line and a little bit of

603
00:33:49.930 --> 00:33:50.120
green

604
00:33:50.120 --> 00:33:52.440
reading and a little bit of speed control.

605
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:56.170
The long putts are more about speed control with some green reading and a

606
00:33:56.170 --> 00:33:56.640
little bit of

607
00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:01.020
start line and then the medium putts is where they kind of all blend together,

608
00:34:01.020 --> 00:34:01.680
right?

609
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:03.440
Matching line and speed.

610
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:09.490
So most students struggle at making their five footers so we often start at

611
00:34:09.490 --> 00:34:10.600
start line,

612
00:34:10.600 --> 00:34:13.160
trying to get the ball to roll end over end.

613
00:34:13.160 --> 00:34:17.080
But then we'll move on to, you can't really read a green if you can't control

614
00:34:17.080 --> 00:34:17.840
your speed

615
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:23.320
so you kind of have to do those two together.

616
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:29.950
So as a model, as a model of the stroke, if we look at every putting robot that

617
00:34:29.950 --> 00:34:30.440
's ever

618
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:35.050
been designed, there's pretty much like a suspension point that the putter is

619
00:34:35.050 --> 00:34:35.480
going

620
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:40.040
to move around and then there's a vice that holds the grip in place.

621
00:34:40.040 --> 00:34:45.680
And I kind of use that as the image of what we're trying to do in creating a

622
00:34:45.680 --> 00:34:46.840
good putting

623
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:47.840
stroke.

624
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:53.230
It's basically like a pendulum, not exactly like a pendulum, but as a decent

625
00:34:53.230 --> 00:34:53.720
visual, we're

626
00:34:53.720 --> 00:34:57.090
trying to have like a suspension point and we're trying to control the putter

627
00:34:57.090 --> 00:34:57.480
face so

628
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:02.840
that it's not twisting very much compared to the path you're swinging it on.

629
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:04.160
It is on a slight plane.

630
00:35:04.160 --> 00:35:09.810
So visually, it's like following the crust of a piece of pizza or a piece of

631
00:35:09.810 --> 00:35:10.440
pie.

632
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:14.440
But that piece of pizza or piece of pie is on an angle.

633
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:15.960
It's on a slight plane.

634
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:22.600
The putter has a 10 degree lie angle or more, I think by rule.

635
00:35:22.600 --> 00:35:27.480
So we end up on an angle, something like that.

636
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:32.870
I usually jump into basically what we want to look at before we go over how we

637
00:35:32.870 --> 00:35:33.560
're going

638
00:35:33.560 --> 00:35:34.840
to do it.

639
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:42.160
So it's kind of a little out of it, but when we're analyzing and looking at our

640
00:35:42.160 --> 00:35:42.800
slice

641
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:49.620
of pie or slice of pizza from the face on view, we can kind of see or let me

642
00:35:49.620 --> 00:35:50.360
take it

643
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:51.360
back.

644
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:59.000
But there was a, yeah, you brought a putter in, right?

645
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:04.000
So if I have this suspension point and it's basically turning around that, the

646
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:04.640
different

647
00:36:04.640 --> 00:36:08.950
ways that I could break that model would be either have too much movement kind

648
00:36:08.950 --> 00:36:09.280
of at

649
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:10.280
the grip.

650
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:16.180
So now it's just done at my hands or I could potentially have this moving

651
00:36:16.180 --> 00:36:17.520
independently

652
00:36:17.520 --> 00:36:23.950
or angle wise, this could be not following the crust, but moving kind of out of

653
00:36:23.950 --> 00:36:26.080
the plane.

654
00:36:26.080 --> 00:36:29.830
Those would be the big different, the big ways, oh, and I could have it kind of

655
00:36:29.830 --> 00:36:31.120
like lengthening

656
00:36:31.120 --> 00:36:33.200
or lengthening that way, right?

657
00:36:33.200 --> 00:36:37.200
So then I'd have kind of a jagged crust that wouldn't look very good.

658
00:36:37.200 --> 00:36:44.490
So basically what I'm looking for on video is those key components, is there a

659
00:36:44.490 --> 00:36:45.280
center

660
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:46.280
of the stroke?

661
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:50.440
Is there, am I kind of evenly matching ish, the length of stroke?

662
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:54.720
Is the acceleration rate look like it's matching what I want for consistency?

663
00:36:54.720 --> 00:36:57.740
We'll talk about that more.

664
00:36:57.740 --> 00:37:02.360
Set up ball position, am I hitting the ball slightly on the up slope, slightly

665
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:02.920
on the,

666
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:06.040
or upswing, slightly on the down stroke?

667
00:37:06.040 --> 00:37:09.200
And is my lower body moving around a lot?

668
00:37:09.200 --> 00:37:13.820
From overhead, which is a good way to measure to look at some of the timings of

669
00:37:13.820 --> 00:37:14.800
face rotation

670
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:20.670
or the angle or the path of the club, kind of the swing direction, especially

671
00:37:20.670 --> 00:37:21.360
if you put

672
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:22.960
an alignment stick down.

673
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:26.320
And then from down the line, kind of looking at the angle of the crust, how it

674
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:26.800
relates

675
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:30.320
to the forearms, so is it in line?

676
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:34.440
My overall posture, my weight distribution, are those things changing?

677
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:41.260
That's a good one for looking at how much the face is rotating, things like

678
00:37:41.260 --> 00:37:42.080
that.

679
00:37:42.080 --> 00:38:02.200
The problem with those is, for every rule that I've heard, there's a number of

680
00:38:02.200 --> 00:38:03.680
exceptions,

681
00:38:03.680 --> 00:38:06.120
like big exceptions, right?

682
00:38:06.120 --> 00:38:09.440
So here's where I think, like, because there are things like, like a Dell

683
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:10.400
putting system,

684
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:11.400
right?

685
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:14.760
Some of these things come down to a discussion, do you think that what they're

686
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:15.280
doing is a

687
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:17.800
trait or a skill?

688
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:20.760
If alignment is a trait, then I should fit it to the trait.

689
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:24.950
If alignment is a skill and that can change, then I should teach them how to

690
00:38:24.950 --> 00:38:25.640
align and

691
00:38:25.640 --> 00:38:28.360
then we can pick what we want.

692
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:35.630
So like, I'm nowhere near saying I have like a tour game or whatever, but I've,

693
00:38:35.630 --> 00:38:36.320
I can put

694
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:40.250
that pretty well with a mallet or a blade or whatever and my stroke doesn't

695
00:38:40.250 --> 00:38:40.960
change very

696
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.020
much and my, my rate of closure doesn't change very much, it just feels a

697
00:38:45.020 --> 00:38:46.600
little different.

698
00:38:46.600 --> 00:38:48.360
Is there, is there an optimal?

699
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.160
Possibly.

700
00:38:50.160 --> 00:38:56.000
But I don't know that it's clear enough for, for me to like, yeah, yeah.

701
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.760
And I've, yeah, I've, I've one student who probably has almost a hundred put

702
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:00.360
ters in his

703
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:02.400
garage and he still hasn't found the right one yet.

704
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:12.320
So, um, no, no, not if his pride's on the line.

705
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:13.920
Maybe in his garage studio.

706
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:14.920
Good question.

707
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:15.920
No.

708
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:17.080
Cause you hear a lot of that stuff.

709
00:39:17.080 --> 00:39:18.880
I'm just skeptical about it.

710
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:19.880
What?

711
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:20.880
Yes.

712
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:21.880
Yeah.

713
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:25.960
He's done well in other areas.

714
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:31.350
Um, so start line goals, um, being able to aim, that's where I say, I think

715
00:39:31.350 --> 00:39:31.880
alignment

716
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:34.880
is a trait, or sorry, it's a skill, not a trait.

717
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:39.150
Like you can learn how to aim, um, versus just, hey, where do you naturally aim

718
00:39:39.150 --> 00:39:39.480
?

719
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:40.480
All right.

720
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.440
Let's build a putter that fixes that.

721
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:49.710
Um, I also, I tell a fun story of like early on in my neck recovery period, um,

722
00:39:49.710 --> 00:39:50.560
I was working

723
00:39:50.560 --> 00:39:55.240
at the golf gym and we had an indoor like 10,000 square foot putting green.

724
00:39:55.240 --> 00:39:59.200
It was like a seven hole, um, like pretty large green.

725
00:39:59.200 --> 00:40:03.680
And every year we would do like a March Madness style like putting contest.

726
00:40:03.680 --> 00:40:05.560
And it was the same puts every time.

727
00:40:05.560 --> 00:40:08.870
So like of seven holes, I would typically be like three or four under cause it

728
00:40:08.870 --> 00:40:09.400
's really

729
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:12.320
just hit the line at the right speed.

730
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:13.400
The green's not changing.

731
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:17.160
It's just how much did the bag boy roll it that day?

732
00:40:17.160 --> 00:40:21.570
Um, so three or four under for these seven putts and I went out and I like had

733
00:40:21.570 --> 00:40:22.200
my first

734
00:40:22.200 --> 00:40:27.580
major like neck adjustment and I came back and I was too over because I could

735
00:40:27.580 --> 00:40:27.920
not see

736
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:29.120
the lines anymore.

737
00:40:29.120 --> 00:40:32.940
Like my alignment had totally changed and I was like, this just looks weird.

738
00:40:32.940 --> 00:40:36.080
Like I can't, this is not matching up.

739
00:40:36.080 --> 00:40:39.800
I think it's going to start there and then I'm starting it like a foot left.

740
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:45.400
Um, so like that's where I had one of my big, uh, kind of Eureka moments of

741
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:46.720
like how much

742
00:40:46.720 --> 00:40:52.410
you can change the visual or, or the perception based on your physical

743
00:40:52.410 --> 00:40:53.640
alignment.

744
00:40:53.640 --> 00:40:57.860
You could also change it based on like your energy level, your camp.

745
00:40:57.860 --> 00:40:59.840
So that's why I think it's more of a skill.

746
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:03.040
Like something that you want to train and then keep refining.

747
00:41:03.040 --> 00:41:07.360
I think I'd be better at it now.

748
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:10.800
So start line, basic shape, all that stuff's fine.

749
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:16.680
Uh, so in general, these are kind of some of the goals that we're looking at.

750
00:41:16.680 --> 00:41:20.950
Um, and what we'll do when we do the hands on drills and the, the drills out on

751
00:41:20.950 --> 00:41:21.680
the putting

752
00:41:21.680 --> 00:41:22.680
green.

753
00:41:22.680 --> 00:41:28.130
Um, the pie shape, relatively quiet lower body, relatively quiet wrist, uh,

754
00:41:28.130 --> 00:41:29.720
relatively limited

755
00:41:29.720 --> 00:41:30.720
arm extension.

756
00:41:30.720 --> 00:41:33.160
I don't like to see radius changes on all this stuff.

757
00:41:33.160 --> 00:41:37.480
Um, and that leads us to this classic big muscle dominant or dominate it more

758
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:38.160
with kind

759
00:41:38.160 --> 00:41:43.160
of like, like the shoulders and ribs rather than with the arms and hands.

760
00:41:43.160 --> 00:41:51.720
Uh, that's kind of my, my, uh, the tendencies I like to look for.

761
00:41:51.720 --> 00:41:57.520
Donald demonstrating some of them, he was, he was a good putter.

762
00:41:57.520 --> 00:41:58.680
Probably still is.

763
00:41:58.680 --> 00:42:00.280
Um, okay.

764
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:07.130
So, uh, key drills, um, we'll go through all these out there, uh, but we'll

765
00:42:07.130 --> 00:42:08.520
jump to the

766
00:42:08.520 --> 00:42:14.600
hands on drills, just cover those real quick.

767
00:42:14.600 --> 00:42:19.040
All right, hands on stations.

768
00:42:19.040 --> 00:42:27.270
So, uh, the, the big two that I use more, or the big three are the shoulder

769
00:42:27.270 --> 00:42:29.040
tilt, um,

770
00:42:29.040 --> 00:42:32.680
the elbow support and then the guided putter strike.

771
00:42:32.680 --> 00:42:38.160
I use those more than anything else with putting, um, but sometimes I use the

772
00:42:38.160 --> 00:42:39.120
resisted lower

773
00:42:39.120 --> 00:42:43.050
body or the shoulder blade tricep kind of feel, um, but we're going to go

774
00:42:43.050 --> 00:42:44.280
through these

775
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:48.120
kind of five different, um, tactile drills.

776
00:42:48.120 --> 00:42:53.240
Oh, and then the, I added this one and I didn't add it to the slide, but you'll

777
00:42:53.240 --> 00:42:53.960
be fine.

778
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:56.840
It's a, a wrist anti flip kind of guide.

779
00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:57.840
That's the elbow guiding.

780
00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:58.840
That's a lot of fun.

781
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:04.390
I'll teach you how to, how to support the elbow with the, the Vulcan death grip

782
00:43:04.390 --> 00:43:04.720
.

783
00:43:04.720 --> 00:43:09.760
Ready to go, Plight?

784
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.120
Any questions?

785
00:43:12.120 --> 00:43:16.280
I also have some drills on green reading, um, but we probably will.

786
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:18.880
I have a question about ability.

787
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:19.880
Yes.

788
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:25.270
Is it easier, would you say that you're trying stability by trying to have,

789
00:43:25.270 --> 00:43:27.200
like, essentially

790
00:43:27.200 --> 00:43:32.580
if you're a fan of pressure plate putting, yeah, I'm trying to have, like, you

791
00:43:32.580 --> 00:43:33.240
know, pressure

792
00:43:33.240 --> 00:43:37.890
trace, or do you think you actually treat the ability to have it like a very

793
00:43:37.890 --> 00:43:38.680
small, smooth

794
00:43:38.680 --> 00:43:40.520
pressure trace?

795
00:43:40.520 --> 00:43:41.800
That's a good question.

796
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:47.080
Um, so nothing in your body doesn't move, okay?

797
00:43:47.080 --> 00:43:52.080
So when you're, when you're assessing gravity, if I just had you stand on a

798
00:43:52.080 --> 00:43:53.320
pressure plate,

799
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:57.450
there would be, like, a little, almost conical movement, um, and the

800
00:43:57.450 --> 00:43:58.720
measurement of it can

801
00:43:58.720 --> 00:44:02.440
tell you, like, how stable you are, but it's, it's very small.

802
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:05.570
Like, it would look like I'm standing still, but there's, like, a little micro

803
00:44:05.570 --> 00:44:06.160
movement.

804
00:44:06.160 --> 00:44:07.160
Same thing with your eyes.

805
00:44:07.160 --> 00:44:12.540
Your eyes, like, if they totally, if they stop moving, um, that's, like, a bad

806
00:44:12.540 --> 00:44:12.920
sign.

807
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:15.280
It's a sign of a, a major issue.

808
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.040
Um, they're, like, constantly moving around.

809
00:44:17.040 --> 00:44:20.120
So it's, it's virtually impossible to not move anything.

810
00:44:20.120 --> 00:44:29.280
Um, so that said, I think, um, by creating, like, tension and, and stability

811
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:30.400
through the

812
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:34.480
whole fashion system, you're more likely to get close to not moving.

813
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:40.340
Um, but I think if you had a, a stable pattern that you did consistently, as

814
00:44:40.340 --> 00:44:41.240
long as it was

815
00:44:41.240 --> 00:44:47.400
small, um, that, that might be easier to, to, like, build a performance around.

816
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:52.050
The problem with, um, trying to move nothing is that anywhere you move is going

817
00:44:52.050 --> 00:44:52.480
to be a

818
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:53.480
big problem.

819
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:54.480
Right?

820
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:57.610
I think it's almost like having a zero path where if you have zero path, you're

821
00:44:57.610 --> 00:44:57.960
going to

822
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.620
have a two-way miss, just no matter what, because the club face, if it's a

823
00:45:00.620 --> 00:45:01.280
little open,

824
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.760
it fades, if it's a little close that draws, if you're trying to not move and

825
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:05.200
you move

826
00:45:05.200 --> 00:45:10.790
a little bit, um, you have to, like, make an adjustment and it might be, if you

827
00:45:10.790 --> 00:45:11.560
're moving

828
00:45:11.560 --> 00:45:15.840
in different directions, you, if you, you can't make the same adjustment.

829
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:20.840
Now, uh, I'll have, when I start using the force plates, maybe I'll have a

830
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:21.640
different,

831
00:45:21.640 --> 00:45:23.480
different answer, a year from now.

832
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:27.820
It makes sense that, like, when you move the footer on the backstroke, it's

833
00:45:27.820 --> 00:45:29.120
going to influence

834
00:45:29.120 --> 00:45:30.120
like the center.

835
00:45:30.120 --> 00:45:31.120
Mm-hmm.

836
00:45:31.120 --> 00:45:35.180
So, like, to, like, to sort of keep it still, you have to, like, apply a force,

837
00:45:35.180 --> 00:45:35.760
I guess,

838
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:39.040
have an opposite direction, maybe, you want to stay still?

839
00:45:39.040 --> 00:45:40.040
Yes.

840
00:45:40.040 --> 00:45:41.040
Yes.

841
00:45:41.040 --> 00:45:45.480
I think that that's, that can be, like, good, you have, like, almost, like,

842
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:46.720
equal and opposite

843
00:45:46.720 --> 00:45:54.800
forces, um, instead of just one thing, trying to control it all.

844
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:58.700
Maybe we'll see when we go in the drills, if you have a, a more specific

845
00:45:58.700 --> 00:45:59.400
question that

846
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:00.400
we can.

847
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:01.400
Okay.

848
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:13.200
[inaudible]

849
00:46:13.200 --> 00:46:14.200
More or less.

850
00:46:14.200 --> 00:46:15.200
Yeah.

851
00:46:15.200 --> 00:46:18.320
Um, but it's on more of a vertical, like, that's where guys have always

852
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:18.480
described it

853
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:21.760
as a shoulder tilt versus a turn, right?

854
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:27.440
So basically, like, if you think about the, the merry-go-round in getting, uh,

855
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:28.040
this to

856
00:46:28.040 --> 00:46:30.910
rotate, we're, we're pretty much doing it in the general direction of the golf

857
00:46:30.910 --> 00:46:31.320
ball.

858
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:34.760
Well, how close are you standing into the golf ball when you're putting?

859
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:35.760
It's pretty cool.

860
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:38.800
In terms of inches, or?

861
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.000
Pre, I'll, I'll take pretty close.

862
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:42.000
Relative.

863
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.690
So the closer I stand to something, like, if I was standing right at this edge

864
00:46:45.690 --> 00:46:46.040
of the

865
00:46:46.040 --> 00:46:50.100
carpet in order for my shoulders to move with the carpet, it would basically be

866
00:46:50.100 --> 00:46:50.360
straight

867
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:51.960
up and down.

868
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:55.800
Compared to a driver, I could move more horizontally.

869
00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:01.000
So a lot of bad putters just move their shoulders more horizontally.

870
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:06.390
And, um, the, the main ways I can lose my club face alignment would be if I

871
00:47:06.390 --> 00:47:07.360
have twisting

872
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:12.990
at the wrist and forearms, if I have twisting more at the shoulders, or if I'm

873
00:47:12.990 --> 00:47:14.520
turning level,

874
00:47:14.520 --> 00:47:17.720
then the putter is rotating as it's moving.

875
00:47:17.720 --> 00:47:19.440
So what are the muscles?

876
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:20.940
What activates?

877
00:47:20.940 --> 00:47:22.440
You want the muscles?

878
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:23.440
Well, what, what?

879
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:24.440
So the-

880
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:25.440
What activates the shoulders?

881
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:26.440
The rocking.

882
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:28.800
That's what we're going to do in the tactile drills, is you're going to, you're

883
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:29.240
going to

884
00:47:29.240 --> 00:47:30.240
feel it.

885
00:47:30.240 --> 00:47:33.240
You're going to tell us what it, what it feels like.

886
00:47:33.240 --> 00:47:35.240
Well, what do you live with?

887
00:47:35.240 --> 00:47:36.240
All your shoulders?

888
00:47:36.240 --> 00:47:41.000
Well, so it's, I would say all your shoulder blade muscles, as well as some of

889
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:41.600
your rib

890
00:47:41.600 --> 00:47:42.600
muscles.

891
00:47:42.600 --> 00:47:46.870
Um, so like, you know, it's probably, like, if I list them out, it's probably

892
00:47:46.870 --> 00:47:48.040
20 different

893
00:47:48.040 --> 00:47:49.040
muscles.

894
00:47:49.040 --> 00:47:50.040
They're all working together.

895
00:47:50.040 --> 00:47:51.040
But, yeah.

896
00:47:51.040 --> 00:47:52.040
Your lats are part of it.

897
00:47:52.040 --> 00:47:56.880
David, uh, tell us recommended square to square it in full.

898
00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:01.160
Is that even possible?

899
00:48:01.160 --> 00:48:02.160
Probably not.

900
00:48:02.160 --> 00:48:08.160
I mean, um, I think it's a good feel for a lot of golfers.

901
00:48:08.160 --> 00:48:10.640
I think it's a bad feel for a lot of golfers.

902
00:48:10.640 --> 00:48:12.400
But I think it's a good feel for a lot of golfers.

903
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.800
A lot of golfers tend to really, like, spin that putter face open.

904
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:21.360
And for them to have, like, a little arc, it feels like it's staying square.

905
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:26.360
Um, but like, you know, his whole model of it being, like, shortened and arm

906
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:27.080
straight.

907
00:48:27.080 --> 00:48:33.430
So I hate straight arms because then you have very little, like, if I'm here, I

908
00:48:33.430 --> 00:48:34.200
can prevent

909
00:48:34.200 --> 00:48:37.400
it from rotating a whole lot easier than if it's here.

910
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:41.870
I think, I think every guy who I've ever worked with who had straight arms, uh,

911
00:48:41.870 --> 00:48:42.240
tend

912
00:48:42.240 --> 00:48:45.720
to have a lot of clubface control issues.

913
00:48:45.720 --> 00:48:49.840
Um, oh, maybe it's different when you're six, eight.

914
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:51.840
You're playing a different game.

915
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:53.560
You have, like, a 32-inch putter or something.

916
00:48:53.560 --> 00:48:54.560
Something like that.

917
00:48:54.560 --> 00:48:55.560
He's big.

918
00:48:55.560 --> 00:48:56.560
Yeah.

919
00:48:56.560 --> 00:48:57.560
He's very tall.

920
00:48:57.560 --> 00:48:58.560
Um, any other questions?

921
00:48:58.560 --> 00:48:59.560
Want to go putt?

922
00:48:59.560 --> 00:48:59.560
Okay.