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Bent Lead Arm At Impact Jordan Spieth

Jordan Spieth's Impact Position Explained

Jordan Spieth's impact position shows how a slightly bent lead arm can still produce speed and solid contact. Learn the key difference between an arm that is bent at impact and one that bends through impact.

After this video, you'll be able to:

  • Identify the differences between a bent arm and a 'chicken wing' at impact
  • Understand how a bent lead arm can affect your shot distance
  • Recognize the importance of arm straightening through impact for better contact
Tyler Ferrell is the only person in the world named to Golf Digest's list of Best Young Teachers in America AND its list of Best Golf Fitness Professionals in America.
Video Transcript
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This video is looking at the bent lead armament impact.

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So there's, with Jordan's beef being now the number one golfer in the world, at

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least

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at the time of filming this video, I've had a number of questions about how

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does he use

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a chicken wing in order to, and play so great, you know, hit it so far, not as

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far as some

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other guys, but still has the wall plenty far, how does that all work out?

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So I figured I'd do a video to help clarify the difference between having a

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bent armament

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impact and a chicken wing.

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So let's start with the assumption based on my 3D data, or the data that I have

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in my

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database, that if we compare where a golfer is set up, the tore average is

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going to be

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about 5 to 10 degrees more bent at impact.

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That's what often looks straight because of the amount of shoulder rotation

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that these

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golfers have when they're at impact, but they are more bent slightly at impact

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than they

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are at straight.

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So, or sorry, then they are at setup.

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Jordan obviously looks very obvious to having more bended impact.

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Some other golfers don't look quite as obvious.

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The important distinction for me is there is a big difference between bent and

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bending.

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Since most golfers are more bent at impact, it's important to look at what they

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're doing

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with that arm, and the important thing is that that arm is straightening

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through impact.

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So I do have a handful of golfers who, similar to what Jordan does, kind of do

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that white

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movement, that arm bends, and then instead of posting up and straightening that

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arm, they

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basically hold on to that elbow position, and then use more of the wrist and

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the hands

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to create some of that extension through the ball, and they don't get a ton

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from that elbow.

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That is a huge difference from what I consider the chicken wing.

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The chicken wing would be using bending of the lead arm in order to help you

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avoid fat

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shots and square up the face, and that's not what they're doing.

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So, when a golfer is doing a chicken wing, what they end up looking like is

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they get

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to about here, and the club face is in an open position.

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And so now I would have to do something major because if I were to rotate

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through, I'd probably

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shake the ball, so with this club face in an open position, what they end up

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doing is they

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bend that arm in order to get the club to line up, so it bends like this, so

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there would

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be, you know, with lean and flexing that wrist, and what they'll usually do is

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they'll bend

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so that the club points at the target this way.

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What Jordan is doing is he's kind of in this pattern here, and he's still

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rotating around

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a stable bent arm.

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Even what happens is he gets to a point where now because he isn't using the

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shoulder to

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rotate, he's got to figure out how to absorb the force, and so that arm kind of

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bends a

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little bit more once the club passes his body.

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So I think there's a very important distinction when we're talking about a bent

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versus a bending

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arm, and how it relates to the chicken wing.

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I don't think it's a problem to have a bent arm similar to say a Lee Westwood

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or Retiff

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Goosen or current number one golfer in the world, Jordan Spieth, but I do think

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it is

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very problematic to have that arm bending through impact.

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I've only seen one tour pro who bends that arm and it's minor, and then it just

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starts

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straightening right after impact.

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Most of the golfers, even if they look like that arm is bent, what usually is

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happening

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is that arm is bending through to about here, and then it straightens to about

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there, and

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then sometimes it'll continue straightening, sometimes it'll bend, but that's

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now in kind

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of the bracing pattern, and less of the clubface squaring pattern, or how they

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're directing

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the club to the golf ball.

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So if you look at your video and you see that arm working way behind your body

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and bending

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through impact, there's a very good chance that you're doing it to help control

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the clubface.

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That's not what Jordan Spieth doing, and I don't think you should do it either.

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I thought it would be fun to take a look at a few lead elbow graphs.

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So here are four different players who kind of demonstrate a similar looking

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pattern to

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say Jordan Spieth.

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So on these graphs, we're looking at the amount of bend or straightening of the

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lead

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arm.

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So if it was 180 degrees, that would be a straight line, so that would be a

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perfectly

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locked arm for someone who has full, full range of motion.

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As the degrees get lower, so as the graph goes down, they are bending their arm

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.

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So basically what you'll see is four different timelines for four different

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golfers.

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So you have address, top of the swing, impact, and finish.

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So the typical pattern is you'll see that elbow bend a little bit during the

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backswing,

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and then it'll start to straighten during transition, and then about midway

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between top

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of the swing and back and impact when they start to execute the white movement

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if they're

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doing it more from the lead arm, you'll typically see that lead arm bend.

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So there is a couple examples, like if you look at the bottom left, you'll see

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a golfer

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who looks like that elbow is bending, and what will happen is right before

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impact, it

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starts to straighten.

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Now the total, it's kind of a little plateau from when it starts to bend to

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where it would

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be after impact.

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So this would be a guy more like Jordan Spieth who would look like he's bending

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his arm through

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impact, but the graph clearly shows that he's not totally bending his arm.

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In fact, he's straightening it through impact, but it is more bent than it was

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it set up.

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So not every golfer executes this pattern.

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Some will just straighten it more from the top of the swing, and they'll

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execute more

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of the white from the trail arm.

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But I wanted you to see the difference between an arm that is bending just

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prior to impact

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and then straightening through impact.

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And if we compare that with golfers who tend to look like they're doing the

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chicken wing

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or are doing the chicken wing, you will see the line dropping down

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significantly through

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impact.

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That is an actual chicken wing where these golfers who demonstrate an arm that

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is bent

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at impact, but slightly straightening are not executing a chicken wing.
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Tyler Ferrell is the only person in the world named to Golf Digest's list of Best Young Teachers in America AND its list of Best Golf Fitness Professionals in America.

Bent Lead Arm At Impact Jordan Spieth

Jordan Spieth's Impact Position Explained

Jordan Spieth's impact position shows how a slightly bent lead arm can still produce speed and solid contact. Learn the key difference between an arm that is bent at impact and one that bends through impact.

After this video, you'll be able to:

  • Identify the differences between a bent arm and a 'chicken wing' at impact
  • Understand how a bent lead arm can affect your shot distance
  • Recognize the importance of arm straightening through impact for better contact
Video Transcript
WEBVTT

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This video is looking at the bent lead armament impact.

2
00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:09.430
So there's, with Jordan's beef being now the number one golfer in the world, at

3
00:00:09.430 --> 00:00:09.560
least

4
00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:13.640
at the time of filming this video, I've had a number of questions about how

5
00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:14.320
does he use

6
00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:19.290
a chicken wing in order to, and play so great, you know, hit it so far, not as

7
00:00:19.290 --> 00:00:20.160
far as some

8
00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:24.040
other guys, but still has the wall plenty far, how does that all work out?

9
00:00:24.040 --> 00:00:27.700
So I figured I'd do a video to help clarify the difference between having a

10
00:00:27.700 --> 00:00:28.440
bent armament

11
00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:30.200
impact and a chicken wing.

12
00:00:30.200 --> 00:00:35.520
So let's start with the assumption based on my 3D data, or the data that I have

13
00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:35.880
in my

14
00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:41.190
database, that if we compare where a golfer is set up, the tore average is

15
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going to be

16
00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:46.760
about 5 to 10 degrees more bent at impact.

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That's what often looks straight because of the amount of shoulder rotation

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that these

19
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golfers have when they're at impact, but they are more bent slightly at impact

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than they

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are at straight.

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So, or sorry, then they are at setup.

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Jordan obviously looks very obvious to having more bended impact.

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Some other golfers don't look quite as obvious.

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The important distinction for me is there is a big difference between bent and

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bending.

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Since most golfers are more bent at impact, it's important to look at what they

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're doing

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with that arm, and the important thing is that that arm is straightening

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through impact.

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So I do have a handful of golfers who, similar to what Jordan does, kind of do

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that white

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movement, that arm bends, and then instead of posting up and straightening that

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arm, they

35
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basically hold on to that elbow position, and then use more of the wrist and

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the hands

37
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to create some of that extension through the ball, and they don't get a ton

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from that elbow.

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That is a huge difference from what I consider the chicken wing.

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The chicken wing would be using bending of the lead arm in order to help you

41
00:01:56.850 --> 00:01:57.560
avoid fat

42
00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:01.520
shots and square up the face, and that's not what they're doing.

43
00:02:01.520 --> 00:02:06.890
So, when a golfer is doing a chicken wing, what they end up looking like is

44
00:02:06.890 --> 00:02:07.600
they get

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to about here, and the club face is in an open position.

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And so now I would have to do something major because if I were to rotate

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through, I'd probably

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shake the ball, so with this club face in an open position, what they end up

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doing is they

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bend that arm in order to get the club to line up, so it bends like this, so

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there would

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be, you know, with lean and flexing that wrist, and what they'll usually do is

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they'll bend

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so that the club points at the target this way.

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What Jordan is doing is he's kind of in this pattern here, and he's still

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rotating around

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a stable bent arm.

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Even what happens is he gets to a point where now because he isn't using the

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00:02:50.170 --> 00:02:50.960
shoulder to

60
00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:55.090
rotate, he's got to figure out how to absorb the force, and so that arm kind of

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00:02:55.090 --> 00:02:55.560
bends a

62
00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:59.480
little bit more once the club passes his body.

63
00:02:59.480 --> 00:03:05.580
So I think there's a very important distinction when we're talking about a bent

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00:03:05.580 --> 00:03:06.920
versus a bending

65
00:03:06.920 --> 00:03:09.440
arm, and how it relates to the chicken wing.

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I don't think it's a problem to have a bent arm similar to say a Lee Westwood

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or Retiff

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Goosen or current number one golfer in the world, Jordan Spieth, but I do think

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it is

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very problematic to have that arm bending through impact.

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I've only seen one tour pro who bends that arm and it's minor, and then it just

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starts

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straightening right after impact.

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Most of the golfers, even if they look like that arm is bent, what usually is

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00:03:36.260 --> 00:03:36.920
happening

76
00:03:36.920 --> 00:03:41.270
is that arm is bending through to about here, and then it straightens to about

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there, and

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then sometimes it'll continue straightening, sometimes it'll bend, but that's

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now in kind

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of the bracing pattern, and less of the clubface squaring pattern, or how they

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're directing

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the club to the golf ball.

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00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:57.830
So if you look at your video and you see that arm working way behind your body

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and bending

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through impact, there's a very good chance that you're doing it to help control

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00:04:02.060 --> 00:04:03.440
the clubface.

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That's not what Jordan Spieth doing, and I don't think you should do it either.

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00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.960
I thought it would be fun to take a look at a few lead elbow graphs.

89
00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:17.090
So here are four different players who kind of demonstrate a similar looking

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pattern to

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00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:19.720
say Jordan Spieth.

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So on these graphs, we're looking at the amount of bend or straightening of the

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lead

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00:04:25.840 --> 00:04:26.840
arm.

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00:04:26.840 --> 00:04:29.970
So if it was 180 degrees, that would be a straight line, so that would be a

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00:04:29.970 --> 00:04:30.520
perfectly

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00:04:30.520 --> 00:04:35.800
locked arm for someone who has full, full range of motion.

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As the degrees get lower, so as the graph goes down, they are bending their arm

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.

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00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:44.720
So basically what you'll see is four different timelines for four different

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00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:45.520
golfers.

102
00:04:45.520 --> 00:04:49.200
So you have address, top of the swing, impact, and finish.

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So the typical pattern is you'll see that elbow bend a little bit during the

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backswing,

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and then it'll start to straighten during transition, and then about midway

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between top

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of the swing and back and impact when they start to execute the white movement

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if they're

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doing it more from the lead arm, you'll typically see that lead arm bend.

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So there is a couple examples, like if you look at the bottom left, you'll see

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a golfer

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who looks like that elbow is bending, and what will happen is right before

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impact, it

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starts to straighten.

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Now the total, it's kind of a little plateau from when it starts to bend to

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where it would

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be after impact.

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So this would be a guy more like Jordan Spieth who would look like he's bending

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his arm through

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impact, but the graph clearly shows that he's not totally bending his arm.

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In fact, he's straightening it through impact, but it is more bent than it was

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it set up.

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So not every golfer executes this pattern.

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Some will just straighten it more from the top of the swing, and they'll

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execute more

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of the white from the trail arm.

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But I wanted you to see the difference between an arm that is bending just

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prior to impact

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and then straightening through impact.

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And if we compare that with golfers who tend to look like they're doing the

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chicken wing

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or are doing the chicken wing, you will see the line dropping down

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significantly through

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impact.

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That is an actual chicken wing where these golfers who demonstrate an arm that

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is bent

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at impact, but slightly straightening are not executing a chicken wing.
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