Thorax Positions

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Alright coaches, here we go again. This is the last of the spine portion of the

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3D series, so we're going to go over the thorax positions. So we're going to

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dig

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into the graph you see here on screen. But first, let's discuss what we're

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going

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to cover today. So as always, we're going to look at the tour examples from our

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three tour pros as well as three amateurs. We're going to compare TPI

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guidelines as well as my experience over the last 15, 20 years, or my insight

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from

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my experience. And then we'll look at the anatomy and movement concepts. So in

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this

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presentation, we're looking at sway thrust lift. So if this box right here

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was the pelvis, we are looking at side-to-side movement towards and away the

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target, that would be sway. We're looking at towards and away from the golf

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ball,

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that would be thrust, and then we're looking at lift towards and away from

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the ground. Here's the graph we're going to be looking at. This particular one

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is

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grant weight. Again, address top of the swing impact finish, so it's a timeline

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going across the screen. And then this one is measured in inches on the

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positive

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and negative, and we'll cover what each line means. But you'll notice it's a

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little noisier than, say, the pelvis positions, but we'll talk about why and

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what we can get out of this graph. Because with some analysis, this graph is

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one of the more useful for being able to look at your students' consistency

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patterns or how they're controlling their steeps and shallows. This is a very

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useful graph. Okay, here we've got Steve Alkington, so few things look

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different, and then we've got Henrik Stenson. So we'll revisit these, but you

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can see, not a, there's some similarities, but there are definitely some

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differences. So we're going to have a bunch to discuss as we go through each

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one of those graphs. When we put them all up together again, you can see there

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's a

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general convergence of the graphs right here around zero, so things kind of

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move

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a bit in the backswing and downswing, but then they kind of converge around

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this point with usually one or more deviations. So in this case, the green

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line is way off. In this case, the red line, although we'll talk about that one

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,

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and in this case, they're all pretty close. As always, remember, it's tempting

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to

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think that 3D is just going to point you to the answers, but it just kind of

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use it as a guide, similar to an MRI. It doesn't tell the story, it just gives

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you

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some data to factor into your story. So it helps you focus your attention on

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the

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golfer's movements. Never look at one graph, you always want to look at the

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movement system as a whole, and then use the graph to help tell the story or

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explain why the golfer is moving the way that they are. And then just remember

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the

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rules. With 3D, we're looking at a timeline of the golf swing. So you can

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see how certain graphs apply more to the path or the face or power, but you can

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look at the phases of the whole swing at once, which is pretty cool. So it will

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help you kind of digest why, like, how the golfer's movements fits into the

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swing phase goals. It also allows you to look at all the pieces at once, so it

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can

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help you think relationship-wise, so how one part is influencing another. For

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example, the thorax is where the arms connect, so it's going to have a big

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connection to how and why and basically what the arms are doing, but it also

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bridges the core to the arms. So it's the link from power coming from the

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ground up, and it's a link from control going from the arms down to the ground.

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It's a very important segment, and that's why we see a few key patterns that we

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look for. When thinking about the anatomy as it relates to the thorax graph,

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you've

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got your ribcage, and if we looked at your ribcage kind of as a cylinder or as

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block, you've got the front side with the abs, the sides with the abs, and some

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of

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the back, and then you've got the back side with the back. Digging into more

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layers, you've got the spine being able to move as well as the ribs being able

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to

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move and twist, so we'll talk a little bit about that, and then you've got a

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very close link to the shoulder girdle. So we'll we'll talk through the big

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pieces of the shoulder girdle and how it relates to the ribcage. Remember with

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the shoulder girdle, you have some big muscles in play, so they can be used

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for transferring power, creating power, or for control. So you got your traps.

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Cerritis anterior as a big one. The lat pec. Subscapularis is another big one.

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That's part of the rotator cuff, and then bicep tricep, and deltoids, which are

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listed there. All these kind of you should be thinking in your mind how

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they're how they're working, and how they're relating to the movement we're

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seeing. Okay with the joints we've got the spine, so we've got the 12 green

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here, the 12 thoracic vertebra, because there's 12 of them, even if you have a

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little bit of movement at each one, you have a lot of movement in the whole

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system. In order to move, you need to have some mobility in the ribs, so if

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get, you know, your older golfers, golfers who've had injuries in that area,

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can really solidify or get stiff, and that can lock this down. This is a good

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little top view, where you can see how the ribs attach to the body of the

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vertebra, as well as the transverse process. So it has two attachments there,

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which makes it move like a bucket handle. Right, bucket handle has two wide

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attachments. These are closer, but two attachments makes it move like a bucket

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handle. The top ones, the top ribs tend to move more up and down, and as they

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down, lower, the lower ones tend to move more laterally. So this is just kind

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showing the angle of the facet joints kind of dictates some of these

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movements. So as you get higher up in the cervical spine, the facet joints are

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more horizontal, like the top vertebra, the facet joints are, well, the top one

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doesn't have any, but the higher cervical vertebra, the facet joints are

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more parallel to the ground. So that's why the bucket handle of the upper ribs

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moves more up and down, and then as you move down to the lumbar spine, the

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facet

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joints are almost vertical, and so they, if they had ribs, they would move more

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this way. So the thoracic cage is somewhere in between those. All in all, the

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thoracic cage has a fair amount of movement, 50 degrees of flexion, 45

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degrees of extension, 40 degrees lateral flexion, 30 degrees of rotation. So

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the 30 degrees of rotation is it's not as much as say what you can do at your

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hips or your cervical spine, but it's connected and related to some really

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big rotational muscles. So the force created can be quite high. So we want to

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make sure that we use as much of this as we can. A lot of the compensations

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that

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we'll see in the golf swing either at the hips or at the shoulders will come as

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result of this stiffened thoracic cage. With the shoulder girdle, there are

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generally considered five joints on each side. So you've got 10 joints total,

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you've

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got your SC joint right here where the clavicle and the sternum meet, then you

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got your AC joint where the shoulder blade, the acromion process on the

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shoulder blade hits with the clavicle. So you have clavicle bone making joint

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each end and you've got your shoulder blade connecting to the clavicle. And

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you have in between the clavicle and the ribs, it's kind of a floating joint.

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then you have in between the acromium and the glenohumeral joint or the arm

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bone. So you kind of have that space right there. And then you have the glenoh

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umeral

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joint in the capsule. That's the one that most people talk about when they say

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shoulder, they're thinking of just the arm moving. But really all this moving

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together is the shoulder girdle. And if, like for example, if your SC joint

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gets

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stuck, it has a huge limiting factor in how the rest of the shoulder can work.

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there's a relationship between how each one of these moves. And we will see

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of the compensations when we look at the graphs in the video. Shoulder blade is

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an attachment site for a lot of big powerful shoulder muscles. And it has

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some movement capability. Oftentimes with golfers, they move it more than we

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want

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to. And oftentimes they move it in the wrong direction. There's a couple

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different

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words that different books or sources would use. But in general, the shoulder

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blade can move up and down, side to side, and it can rotate inward and outward

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like

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this. So some will call this protraction. Some will call this sagilization

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it's moving into the sagil plane. Some will call this retraction, depression,

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abduction. There's lots of different words, but just know that we're kind of

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we're either moving this way, this way, up down or rotating like that. So for

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key muscles, there's a lot of big muscles connecting on to the shoulder blades

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the ribs. You've got your lats, you've got your traps, you've got your deltoids

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your tricep connects, you can see their good picture of the tricep connecting

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the shoulder blade as well as into the capsule of the joint. And then you've

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your rotator cuff muscles. So some of them back, you've got your

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infersprinatus, your terra's major, terra's minor, subscapularis kind of

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hidden on this one, and then supersprinatus up top there. And then you've got

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there's serratus posterior, these two kind of help move the ribs with

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breathing. Serratus anterior is not shown, or sorry, here it is, serratus

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anterior, kind of coming from the inside of shoulder blade around the ribs, and

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interdigitates with the obliques forming that really powerful sling. That's a

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really key area for getting a strong link from the spine all the way down

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around to the pelvis. From the front view, you've got your big muscles of the

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pecs, and again the deltoid, now we can see the bicep. Here's the serratus

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around, so if you imagine that's wrapping around the body like this, so it can

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pull the shoulder blade around. You can see it kind of link up with the obl

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here to create this rotational sling. Okay, so the easiest way to see some of

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those relationships is by looking at some of these fascia lines. And with the

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spine,

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the most important two slings are your spiral line and your functional line. So

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here's kind of an artist's rendition of that rhomboid serratus oblique, oblique

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sling going around the core. That's a common rotational sling. It's much

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broader than what this artist's rendition is showing, but it is, you know, kind

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going in that direction. And then you got your latte to glute dominant sling on

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the backside. You'll see that in the functional slings, the muscles running

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down the frontside are more kind of chop oriented or up and down. And you'll

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notice that neither none of these have a big quad influence. A little bit here,

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or a little hamstring here, but nothing that on the frontside will really help,

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kind of, at least from the legs, will rotate the trunk or this rotational

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pattern. You will see the adductors involved with the obliques. So the the

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obliques connecting down here on the pelvis rim, not just over here on the

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ilium, and then the adductors connecting that line all the way so that the

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spine

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gets back to the leg. Here's kind of a look of that adductor sling, adductor ob

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lique,

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glute latte. Those guys are big for rotational capabilities. And then here

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you can see quad-wise, all the fibers are running vertically. It would have to,

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like,

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if you were pulling on those, shortening those, it would have a bigger

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influence for helping you do a crunch or pull down rather than a rotational

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move.

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It kind of worked in planes like this. All right, so now let's dive into these

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graphs. So we'll take a look at the sway thrust lift and all its kind of

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patterns and components. So the thorax goals in the golf swing. The thorax is a

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big kind of rotational engine, transfers energy from the pelvis to the shoulder

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griddle. And then it also has a big influence on where the arms are located

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because, again, your arms connect right here at the SC joints. That's the only

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bony true connection from the arms to the to the spine. And so that helps, like

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where the ribcage is, helps position the arms for low point control or flat

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spot.

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It helps position the arms deeper for hand depth, so for creating, kind of,

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swing

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plane. And this rotating allows for the arms to shallow, again, helping create

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that flat spot and slower rate of closure, potentially giving more

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consistency. Okay, first graph we're going to look at is the thorax sway graph.

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this is looking at the lateral movement when, you know, the sensor is, a

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virtual

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sensor is created, it kind of in the center of the AC joints, right around

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here. And this graph is showing a minimal shift in the backswing, either

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towards or away, and then a slight shift as it's going with the pelvis early in

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the downswing. And then it will tend to brace or go into this backward movement

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through the release. So at the top of the swing, it's usually plus or minus

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half,

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you know, so very little shift. Because most of the data in the database is

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with

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driver, you'll see that the average is somewhere around one, one inch away. So

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further away from the target and then when they, where they started. But I

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often see with irons that they can be one to two inches closer. So I usually

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just say it's kind of plus or minus an inch. As we looked at the key anatomical

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structures or well, what's happening at the ribs, what's happening at the

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scapular girdle, and then where's the pelvis. So that now brings in the whole

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lower body, because it would be hard to have, you know, certain geometry, like

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if your upper, if your lower body was way over your right foot, it would be

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tough to have your upper body one inch closer. You would probably have a more

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of a hangback type movement. So you can factor in where the lower body is

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because it's influencing where the upper body is. The big relationship

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anatomically is these rotational slings versus more of your anterior

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posterior sling, you know, kind of more of that chop movement. If you move

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that, if you have more of that chop movement, that'll tend to move the low

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point a little bit more back. And so you'll have to slide the whole center a

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little bit more forward. Here we've got Elkington. And you'll see range wise

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furthest he moves towards the target is two and a half furthest he moves away

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is two and a half. He's he's kind of in a, you know, a tightish range where his

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upper body is not moving dramatically one way or the other. And he's, you know,

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pretty perfect in this minus one shifted away. This is a really good kind

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of bracing movement through the ball. So if I put this dot kind of about where

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his shirt buttons are, the tricky thing when you're looking out a video, this

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looks like a shirt buttons swayed a whole lot off the ball. But if you were

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looking a camera angles can influence it and be if you're looking at just kind

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of a block, like the whole space. This is how I do it if I don't have 3D. So

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the center of those blocks are kind of more like that. So it's moved just

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slightly. It hasn't shifted quite as much as you might look if we're just

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looking at the shirt buttons move because the shirt buttons are on the outside

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of the box, not the center. And then there's that forward shift and then

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right about now you'll see the upper body moving backward until right around

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there is that maximum that's that good bracing position with the driver. And

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then it comes forward a little bit. So little shift off the ball and then turn

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not a big shift and then little weight shift, pressure shift in the early part

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of the downswing and then good bracing movement through there. Okay, so next we

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got Henrik. Henrik throws off some of the numbers because of his little trigger

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move. But as we saw in the pelvis class, let's say he shifts about four inches

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if

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we said this is kind of his normal position. Then the graph would look a lot

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more classic. But because of that pre move, which I'll show again, everything

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looks like it's shift towards the target shift more towards the target. And

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then

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he's four inches closer to where he was at setup. Right. But again, that's

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because of the pre move. Okay, so if we look for this is all hasn't registered

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right there is where the club moves. So that is what we're calling his setup

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position. So now we're looking at his chest being there. You'll see that's kind

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of that recentering. So remember when like if we're looking at the whole box of

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his rib cage, it's moved this way some. And now he's shifting that direction.

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then there's a good bracing move. So we can see if we kind of post it up or put

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an indicator there, and then we go back to before he does his pre move, that

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would start to look pretty classic. So that trigger just throws off some of

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the lateral data. And then we've got grant weight. Again, this is when he was

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doing more of the stack and tilt stuff. So he's a little bit more biased on the

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front, he's still bracing and moving away. But it's a little bit more kind of

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over that front. You know, this looks more like an iron type graph pattern than

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a driver. Sometimes you'll see some of the really good drivers like Rory

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McElroy, like it'll get it'll go back about eight inches from its most towards

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the target until it's furthest away. So this is just a little tighter. Again,

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looks more more like an iron pattern, even though it's a driver. Okay, with the

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thorax way, the swing relationships, this is helping you decode how much of a

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centered pivot they have. The the lunge and the wipe have a really big

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relationship. So typically golfers who have a harder time, or who kind of drift

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forward, more of that forward lunge, will have a harder time with the white.

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That's because of that serratus interior rotational sling not getting used.

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Or if the club faces in a position where they have to slide forward or hang

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back, that'll all show up on this graph. So it gives you places to investigate

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when you're working with your golfers or thinking through it. The two TPI

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errors

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in this graph, they talk about the forward lunge and the hangback. So the

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forward lunge would basically be crossing well positive, and then the

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hangback would be never getting positive and crossing way negative. We'll

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see that with with Colin when we get. Okay, so here is Colin. We can see this

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is more of that classic hangback pattern, where he shifts off the ball,

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never gets back further than where he started, and then shifts further away.

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Okay, so shifts off the ball there. And then stays back there, starts going

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back there. So his upper body is kind of always moving away through there.

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That's the classic hangback. Like Mullins. Now remember, what we saw with

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those pros was fairly tight. So even if this has a similar looking pattern,

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we're going from five inches away to two and a half forward to one away.

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But five to two and a half, that's a eight inch lunge there in transition.

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So there's that sway off the ball with both the upper and the lower body. We

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saw in the lower body and then boom, there's that big eight inch movement

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towards the target. And then it just kind of posts up and keeps going.

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There's not much bracing going on in his golf swing. It's a lot more kind of

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float, float right, float left swing the arms along with a body that's

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floating. And then Ron also kind of fits in more of a hangback category

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from the upper body, because there's not much of the forward lunge.

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But we also know he had a five inch shift with his pelvis. So this is also

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going to show up as a little bit more of a reverse spine type movement.

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Oh, there's his little fake out move. And then again, pelvis shifts a lot more

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than the upper body. So that gives a little bit more of that reverse look

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there. And then it just kind of stays over that right side.

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There's some decent bracing, but it's kind of a little bit more trail leg

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biased. Although because of the scale, you can see he's still kind of in

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that, you know, the pattern is a little bit trail biased, but the scale, I mean

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,

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he's still only two inches away. So that's pretty good for creating the

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axis tilt with the driver. All right, next piece of the puzzle is looking

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at the thorax lift. So the the tour pattern is about a one inch drop down

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towards the top of the swing. Some golfers continue going down more in

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transition. In fact, a lot of them do if they're really loading their lower

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body. And then the thorax will raise a basically mid downswing. And then at

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impact, they're close to zero. I think the data shows a slight bias above,

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which is why the average is about half an inch. But the I've seen many who

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are in that, you know, one inch lower category who are very good ball

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striker. So I just say kind of like plus or minus an inch around impact.

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But the the pattern is more critical while we're looking for. OK, same key

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anatomical structures when we're looking at this. The T spine, the

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scapular girdle, and then what is the pelvis doing? If you don't, if the

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pelvis is very level, it'll have a hard time, like you'll have a hard time

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having a really good thorax lift graph. So if you've kept your knees flexed

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and not tilted your pelvis as you rotated, that can influence this graph.

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Looking at are we using the hips or the knees? Those that's kind of what I was

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just describing there. And then of course, this one looking at that loading

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that chop sling versus that rotational sling is a key component. The main air

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that TPI talks about with this is loss of posture. So basically, if it's

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going up too much, but it is possible to have it go down in the in the back

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swing

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as well too much. But the swing relationships, this is related to the

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spine angle as well as the knee flexing. So if you kind of like if you're

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loading into the knees and really dropping down, that'll show pronounced

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drop. And then on the way through and the overall height and impact that

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relates to the trail arm straightening timing or the white movement, as

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well as my vertical versus rotational force, how much am I getting these

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rotational slings involved versus kind of a stand up and throw. So you'll see

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with pros, this one tends to be a little bit tighter comparison wise. So elk,

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you

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can see the entire swing is done within about a three inch window, maybe a

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little bit of loss of posture, but then more drop in transition and a

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little bit up through the release. That's pretty classic there. So you can

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see a very steady head movement. But the head can get influenced by what's

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happening at the neck. So we're looking at more kind of the height of the chest

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.

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There's that little drop down and then what would make it go just a little bit

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more up would be a little bit more vertical pressure if he had the hips

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raising, right? So the thorax sensor is on top of the hip sensor and what's

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going on in the lower body. So the sensor not going up could be from not

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having enough rotation side bend or it could be from something going on down

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below. Okay, Henrik, you've got a little drop. Pretty good pattern there. Again

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,

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really tight window. So again, kind of looking at that head height or that

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chest height. So good job maintaining this height. There's

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that little drop down and then through. Again, not a huge change in the height

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there.

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That's what it looks like on the graph. Great weight, similar pattern, a little

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more drop there. So we'll just throw a little line there if the camera is

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good. Let's see, there's the drop-in transition

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and then you won't see much of a head height increase on the way through

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because his neck is going into more like he's he's actually getting more of

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that lift through the spine kind of like this.

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So the upper back is getting rounded from what's

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working in the abs. So there you can kind of see

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that mid AC joints probably it it's lowest right around there and then it's

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starting to come up even though the head isn't really increasing.

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So that's what creates that movement there even though the head looks like it's

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staying down. Okay, so again, because you can see how

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much this has an impact on the low point and the face control,

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we're going to look at you want to keep that in the back of the mind.

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How are they controlling solid strike? How what engine are they using to

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support

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that? But TPI would say that the main error here

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is loss of posture which we will see in a couple of these.

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So here's Mike Mullins, again, lots of drop down five inches of drop and then

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a big old lift getting almost so he's he's

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increasing his height about 10 inches from his lowest point to his

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highest point. Now we know that that that highest point is well after impact

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right around there but again drop way down

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and then elevator man going way up on the way through.

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It's a lot to kind of manage with timing. Ron we got more the classic loss of

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posture so he gets the drop not from bending forward and

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kind of overloading the core. We're doing a little crunch move.

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He gets that more from dropping the knees and then he has the loss of posture.

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That's pretty classic right there where it's like going up up up up the entire

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time. That's the kind of more classic loss of

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posture with the lift graph.

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So there's the drop that happened mostly from the knees

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right dropping everything and then up up up up up up up

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yep never really you know in transition there was no real

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downward movement. It's just up and spin. That's his power.

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So that looks like that and then we got Colin

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going the opposite way. He's the he's going to the downstairs he's going to the

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basement. So the scale shows us it's not too

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bad but it is just there's not a there's no

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lift on the way through. So a little down a little back up.

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That's where we saw it down then back up

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and then

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ever really comes back up. So that interesting thing

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part of it is because of the lack of side bend.

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The interesting thing is if you look at his height compared to the roof there

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you'll see the head goes up even though his chest

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is going down the center of his chest or the center of his

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AC joints where what we saw with Elkington was the head was going down

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while the center of the AC joints was going up. So I just put that in there to

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kind of like caution you a little bit about

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how looking at the head versus looking at the thorax position.

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It's a little tougher to see the thorax position but the head can mislead you a

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little bit. Also remember we're only looking at

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one to two inch movement in lots of these cases

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so the difference between moving a little bit there

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may be tough to see. This is this is one where I do like the graph

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or I prefer the graph over video. Okay and then we've got

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last but not least the thorax thrust. So this is moving

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in towards the golf ball or moving away from the golf ball.

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So we like a pretty stable pattern you'll see again scale matters here.

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There's a slight shift towards the ball similar to what we saw with the pelvis

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which is just because as I rotate on an angle

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my ribcage is wider this way than it is this way

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and so when it rotates around that right hip

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right if the pelvis is down here ribcage is up here

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so if I rotate around that point then the center here

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is going to be moving. I'll do it this way.

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The center is going to move a little bit so if I'm rotating

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if I was rotating around the dent center of this then it would flat line

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but because of where the hips are located compared to my body

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and what I actually can rotate around that's going to move this

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center. So there's a slight shift in towards the golf ball

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and then a good shift away from the golf ball so that it's a little bit

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further away at impact. That's from the rotation but a lot of

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golfers also have a bit of extra shallowing

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to account for steeper arm movement. So this one

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scapular girdle has big influence when you start to see

454
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:11.440
kind of the arms going into internal external rotation,

455
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:16.480
protraction, your ribcage is going to have to respond with it.

456
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:21.200
Also what's happening at the pelvis if the pelvis is early extending

457
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:25.520
typically or the pelvis is moving in typically the upper body moves back

458
00:33:25.520 --> 00:33:29.840
if the pelvis moves back typically the upper body moves down so there's some

459
00:33:29.840 --> 00:33:34.320
compensation or reflexive actions with what's going on at the pelvis and lower

460
00:33:34.320 --> 00:33:39.280
limb. So the the main error that TPI looks at

461
00:33:39.280 --> 00:33:44.000
is loss of posture towards the ball so you know you've seen

462
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:47.360
kind of what we saw in Mike Mullins where it's kind of like a really big

463
00:33:47.360 --> 00:33:52.160
and back like this you've seen this guy you kind of goes down like that

464
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:56.240
in the backswing that's their main error for the thorax thrust but you can also

465
00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:59.840
see too much thrust away from the golf ball

466
00:33:59.840 --> 00:34:05.920
on the way down particularly. So this is a this one is huge for looking at

467
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.960
its relationship to steeps and shallows as well as open

468
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:13.680
closed and then of course from a power standpoint

469
00:34:13.680 --> 00:34:17.280
pulling backward like this can help me kind of fling more of that

470
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:22.640
chop movement. So if we look at elk he's kind of moving away the whole time so

471
00:34:22.640 --> 00:34:26.720
he doesn't really go up at all there and then it goes down about a

472
00:34:26.720 --> 00:34:30.960
normal amount but he's pulled away pulled away we saw that

473
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.480
even easier when we were looking at the spine axis and seeing that he was

474
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:36.400
constantly moving away from the golf ball to help

475
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:42.960
shallow out. So this one's easiest to see from the down the line

476
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:51.440
so there's kind of that pulling away especially the upper body

477
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:56.160
you can see the upper body started kind of in line with this arrow here

478
00:34:56.160 --> 00:34:59.600
and now the center of the upper body is more back there.

479
00:34:59.600 --> 00:35:06.720
Okay Henrik Simpson not as big an issue with the preset move for

480
00:35:06.720 --> 00:35:10.160
this plane so some of this is actually his swing so

481
00:35:10.160 --> 00:35:14.080
he's a little bit more shift towards the towards the ball because his

482
00:35:14.080 --> 00:35:17.200
his pre-move does move him into the heel so as I say that

483
00:35:17.200 --> 00:35:21.360
it does influence it so he'll as he rotates and regains his balance he'll

484
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.840
move a little bit more towards the middle of foot

485
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:28.960
but then he has a good movement away you know through the majority of

486
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:33.920
downswing and then a little kind of stable platform there at impact

487
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:37.520
not bad most of the time you'll see them continue going down through impact

488
00:35:37.520 --> 00:35:42.240
but that's probably not a big problem so I believe this is after he's

489
00:35:42.240 --> 00:35:47.120
already done his little preset move yep

490
00:35:47.120 --> 00:35:50.400
so there you can see

491
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:54.480
he's a little bit more heel biased in his

492
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:59.920
weight setup you can see kind of armpits more over the mid feet instead of

493
00:35:59.920 --> 00:36:03.760
towards the balls of the feet so then as he rotates he moves

494
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:09.680
more into the balls of the feet that moves him forward and then

495
00:36:09.680 --> 00:36:15.920
moves up pretty much stays there and then

496
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:19.680
potentially there he's a little bit more in towards

497
00:36:19.680 --> 00:36:25.920
the toes you can see the heel kind of pivot so he's a little bit more forward

498
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.240
that's why it would show up he's just a little bit more

499
00:36:30.240 --> 00:36:33.760
forward here rather than when this moves backward you'll tend to see them

500
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:37.600
getting more into that heel so here's great weight with

501
00:36:37.600 --> 00:36:41.680
kind of pretty much the classic pattern he'll probably look like he's a little

502
00:36:41.680 --> 00:36:44.960
bit more in his heel and not moving all right

503
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:50.800
unfortunately this camera moves a little bit

504
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.640
but if you're using the trees in the background

505
00:36:54.640 --> 00:36:59.280
you'll see as he gets more into that heel

506
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:03.120
there's the center of the chest moving a little bit more away

507
00:37:03.120 --> 00:37:07.520
compared to where it started there so again it's a little tricky to see the

508
00:37:07.520 --> 00:37:11.680
center of a a non-square object but that's what you have to do if you want

509
00:37:11.680 --> 00:37:15.760
to try to see these graphs so it's it's harder this is

510
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:18.640
another one that i like to see the graph with

511
00:37:18.640 --> 00:37:23.120
okay with the amateurs um this is a big one for the steep shallow balance

512
00:37:23.120 --> 00:37:26.640
this is a big one for the club face closing balance

513
00:37:26.640 --> 00:37:30.960
you can also think about well where the arms at the top of the swing

514
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.560
what's the shoulders doing and how well am i loading

515
00:37:34.560 --> 00:37:38.320
the the hips and the rotational slings because

516
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:42.960
some of the excessive upper body power movements will show up in

517
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.880
in these thorax linear including this thrust one

518
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:50.400
but tbi says loss of posture i think you can also have

519
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:55.040
like excessive shallowing as an error for example mike mullens

520
00:37:55.040 --> 00:37:58.240
we've got you know with all his lateral

521
00:37:58.240 --> 00:38:02.640
chaos he's he's pretty stable there um but then he does have

522
00:38:02.640 --> 00:38:05.760
you know if we look at the amount the magnitude

523
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:10.320
wow he's moved six inches away from the golf ball

524
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:13.840
uh compared to where he was at the top of the swing

525
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.960
so there he is from the top of the swing and

526
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:20.240
you know i can't draw lines on the quick time but uh

527
00:38:20.240 --> 00:38:24.400
i'll put one here post if you're just looking

528
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:30.320
boom there is there's not a big forward movement or lateral movement that way

529
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:34.400
but then that whole downswing he's moving away from the golf ball as he's

530
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:39.040
throwing the arms so then collin we've got

531
00:38:39.040 --> 00:38:42.800
close to the classic pattern maybe a little bit of kind of

532
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:49.040
um stalling out early uh so maybe there's some rotational issues or weight

533
00:38:49.040 --> 00:38:53.280
transfer issues going on there um but pretty good scale

534
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.520
not too bad here um his issues seem to be more in that

535
00:38:57.520 --> 00:39:02.720
hangback pattern than the thrust early extension pattern

536
00:39:02.720 --> 00:39:10.560
so if we look at the line he moves down in sideways

537
00:39:11.040 --> 00:39:17.280
and there's where you can see kind of that upper body

538
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:21.840
through the ball moving a little bit out this way

539
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:27.840
um so that's probably because of the arms pulling so hard and having

540
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:31.760
to counterbalance that arm pull going this way with the body movement going

541
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.160
that way

542
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:41.040
okay last but not least we've got run um so

543
00:39:41.040 --> 00:39:44.640
none of these examples were more of that upper body

544
00:39:44.640 --> 00:39:48.560
dive down or or the loss of posture in the backswing where you see

545
00:39:48.560 --> 00:39:51.680
you know that left shoulder going excessively down towards the ground

546
00:39:51.680 --> 00:39:56.640
um but here we've got a little bit of you know he moves three inches towards

547
00:39:56.640 --> 00:40:00.080
the golf ball and then he just kind of stays there so this is a little bit more

548
00:40:00.080 --> 00:40:06.400
of a um early extension pattern uh both with the upper body we saw it also

549
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:12.800
with the lower body okay so if we've got line

550
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:24.160
so there's so this is another kind of good one for you to see because uh

551
00:40:24.160 --> 00:40:30.880
you'll see his chest moves in towards the golf ball through there

552
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:35.680
but if you were just looking at his head it looks like his head is actually

553
00:40:35.680 --> 00:40:42.320
moving away so graph wise remember away would be moving

554
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:47.680
more like we saw with Mike Mullins um so he's actually pretty flat line he

555
00:40:47.680 --> 00:40:48.080
moved

556
00:40:48.080 --> 00:40:51.120
in towards the golf ball a little bit in his backswing and then kind of flat

557
00:40:51.120 --> 00:40:51.360
line

558
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:56.480
there and didn't move um much the whole downswing even though his

559
00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:00.960
head looked like it was backing up so that's the trick of being able to see

560
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:08.560
this area sensor wise versus just looking at the head

561
00:41:08.560 --> 00:41:11.840
so he's actually fairly stable during that downswing

562
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:15.680
which is part of the reason he's consistent with his rotational pattern

563
00:41:15.680 --> 00:41:21.120
okay so we've got the pros when you look at them kind of as a whole

564
00:41:21.120 --> 00:41:25.200
you'll tend to see like this one's a little less clean than the pelvis

565
00:41:25.200 --> 00:41:28.240
positions but you'll see things kind of scatter and then converge

566
00:41:28.240 --> 00:41:34.640
towards impact um so i tend to see a tight pattern kind of right in here

567
00:41:34.640 --> 00:41:39.680
elk's got a little outlier and then henryk has that looking up because of the

568
00:41:39.680 --> 00:41:43.600
pre-move but otherwise those would be pretty tight there

569
00:41:43.600 --> 00:41:47.680
when we compare that to the amateurs the amateurs will typically have a little

570
00:41:47.680 --> 00:41:51.520
bit more spacing or or noise here at impact where

571
00:41:51.520 --> 00:41:55.280
one or more of the graphs will be well away from impact

572
00:41:55.280 --> 00:42:00.480
that usually is showing um evidence to like one of their big body

573
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:04.080
compensation moves so i'd usually start with

574
00:42:04.080 --> 00:42:08.960
investigating um what's going on to make that happen and then

575
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:12.640
look at the the clubface the club path to see why

576
00:42:12.640 --> 00:42:16.960
that move is uh is helping their golf swing instead of hurting it

577
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:20.720
so hopefully this uh video helps you look at what i think is one of the

578
00:42:20.720 --> 00:42:23.520
more important graphs it probably doesn't get as much

579
00:42:23.520 --> 00:42:28.080
play online as it should um but this can be really helpful for

580
00:42:28.080 --> 00:42:31.200
decoding um how your golfer is controlling their steep

581
00:42:31.200 --> 00:42:33.680
shallows as well as looking at their power source

582
00:42:33.680 --> 00:42:39.280
this is a big big control center so in the uh as always if you have any

583
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:42.960
questions uh let us know and we'll we'll get a

584
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.800
little clarification out for you um otherwise we will be moving on to

585
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:50.320
looking at the wrists in the next couple presentations

586
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.600
those will be a lot of fun um so hopefully you've digested all of this

587
00:42:53.600 --> 00:42:56.000
and you'll get ready for looking at what the hands are doing