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Throwing a club is used to develop sequencing, but see what you can really learn from this drill.
Throwing a golf club is said to help you learn a natural rhythm and to learn proper sequencing. This is possible, but see why I think it is less likely than other strategies for building a path or sequence when actually hitting the ball. It's similar to when golfers say that they make, "great looking practice swings" but can't do it when a ball is there. Usually, the difference is an inability to create a useable club face with a effective path.
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In this discussion video, we're going to take a look at what we can learn from
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throwing
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a club.
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A lot of golf instructors have used this drill or exercise to teach sequencing
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and natural
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rhythm, but we're going to see what we can really learn from it.
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So a friend of ours, Christoph Bosek of Progressive Golf, we've talked a bunch
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online, and he
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actually just posted this video to show me how good his wipe and his arm
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extension was.
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So he's a very good player, and here we can see him throwing a club, and we'll
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see he
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gets into a very athletic position with those arms, really good arm extension,
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arms work
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across his chest.
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As he said, sequencing was great, arm extension was great, and I've had a few
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questions about
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it in person, nothing formally through the site, but I thought it would be a
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good little
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discussion topic.
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So the thing that I want to help you understand is, yes, when you do a throwing
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exercise like
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this, you're going to get a good sense of what an ideal path might be, or a
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very athletic
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path.
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But what I want you to see is what most golfers struggle with is when they do
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this exercise,
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the club face is almost always in an extremely open position.
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Basically, the club is rotated so that the weight of the club is perpendicular
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to the
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direction that it's moving, or the weight of the club is kind of in line with
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the direction
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that it's moving, instead of having a club face that's square or pointed in the
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direction
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that it's moving.
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So we're going to look at a handful of other examples and discuss some of the
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strategies
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where I think it's good to use this throwing drill and other times where it
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might not be
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the best thing for you.
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So there's a number of these examples on YouTube where you can see golf
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instructors
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demonstrating the throwing technique.
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The first guy who I heard about doing it was Fred Shoemaker.
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He would have a lot of students throw clubs down the range just to get the
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feeling of
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kind of the natural athleticism.
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So over here on the left, we have an instructor who is throwing the club and
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you'll see he
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does a very good job of sequencing body, staying in posture.
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But if you look at that club face, again, it's almost always in this position
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where that
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would be pointing 40-50 degrees down off to the right compared to where his
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body is aligned.
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And so yes, even though as he comes in, you can see that he's got that lead arm
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in a good
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tucked position.
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He's really maintained his posture.
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He hasn't solved the club face equation.
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So then if we look at his actual swing that he did just after throwing the ball
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, you'll
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see that instead of rotating through here, he starts standing up to help him
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get the club
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face to close.
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So you can see that the club face is in a very, very different position and his
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body's
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in a pretty good different position.
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You'll then see that as he approaches impact, he really extends that right arm
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to get the
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club face to close by using the whole shaft instead of just using this
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motorcycle move
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or shaft rotation or gamma rotation or whatever you want to call it.
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So this is going to be a very common pattern that we're going to see.
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I think that similar to like orange whip training, throwing clubs can be great
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for learning
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the path, but you should use a video so that you can try to incorporate a
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little bit of
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face control because otherwise you're just going to learn path with hands that
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aren't
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in a good alignment to actually hit a golf shot.
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So now we have another example over here on the left.
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She is throwing the club and you can see, you know, great looking sequencing,
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great looking
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arm position, but club face wide open club face wide open club face wide open
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club face
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wide open.
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So that's not going to work when she actually addresses the golf ball.
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Even though it's probably more powerful probably creating more club head speed,
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she has to
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solve that club face equation.
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So here we have her actually hitting a shot and we can compare a few of these
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different
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positions.
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So you can see a very different release strategy because her method for closing
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the club face
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is to stop the body, radial deviate or kind of rehinge that leader wrist and
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flip the
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arm or roll that right shoulder in order to get the club face to close.
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But that's using a lot more that's taking away a lot of her path speed because
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she's
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kind of using some of the path mechanics to help get the club face to close.
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So when she's throwing the ball, you can see she gets very open, trail arms
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still bent,
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but the club face is wide open.
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So she uses sawing her body, rehinging the wrist and rolling that right
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shoulder in order
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to actually get the club face to square in her real swing.
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She can throw as many clubs as she wants, but if she doesn't figure out how to
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solve
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the club face part of the equation first, it's never going to transfer into her
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actual
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swing.
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And if we go back to the original clip of Rory McElroy, it's very hard to see
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the club face
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because it's in a very blurry position, but oftentimes, there we go.
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We'll get one frame or so where kind of the stars align and we're able to see
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the club
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face.
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And we can see that the club face is so much in line with the path of the shaft
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that it
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is literally pointing more than 90 degrees away from where the club face would
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be in
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the actual swing.
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He's able to create a tremendous amount of speed.
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It's a really good throw.
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But if he did that when he actually hit a golf ball, we wouldn't know who he
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was.
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So I don't want to discourage you from throwing clubs.
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I want to clarify when it's useful.
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It's very good for developing throwing sequencing.
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So you're going to get really good body mechanics.
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You're going to get really good arm positions.
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But if you don't address the club face issue, it's never going to transfer to
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your full
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swing.
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It's very similar to what we saw and what we continue to see with golfers
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making practice
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swings where they ask, "Why can't I just do what I did in the practice swing?"
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As we show in another video, it's very common to have lost club face awareness
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because club
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face awareness, since this is a target sport, is going to be one of those big
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skills that
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golfers have to learn in order to maximize their ability to create speed.
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If you have any question about how to close or square the club face, check out
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the club
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face drills or the arm specific drills in either the transition or the release
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section.
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In this discussion video, we're going to take a look at what we can learn from
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throwing
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a club.
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A lot of golf instructors have used this drill or exercise to teach sequencing
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and natural
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rhythm, but we're going to see what we can really learn from it.
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So a friend of ours, Christoph Bosek of Progressive Golf, we've talked a bunch
8
00:00:19.820 --> 00:00:20.600
online, and he
9
00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:25.020
actually just posted this video to show me how good his wipe and his arm
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00:00:25.020 --> 00:00:26.520
extension was.
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So he's a very good player, and here we can see him throwing a club, and we'll
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see he
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gets into a very athletic position with those arms, really good arm extension,
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arms work
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across his chest.
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As he said, sequencing was great, arm extension was great, and I've had a few
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questions about
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it in person, nothing formally through the site, but I thought it would be a
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good little
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discussion topic.
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So the thing that I want to help you understand is, yes, when you do a throwing
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exercise like
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this, you're going to get a good sense of what an ideal path might be, or a
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very athletic
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path.
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But what I want you to see is what most golfers struggle with is when they do
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this exercise,
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the club face is almost always in an extremely open position.
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Basically, the club is rotated so that the weight of the club is perpendicular
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to the
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direction that it's moving, or the weight of the club is kind of in line with
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the direction
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that it's moving, instead of having a club face that's square or pointed in the
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direction
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that it's moving.
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So we're going to look at a handful of other examples and discuss some of the
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strategies
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where I think it's good to use this throwing drill and other times where it
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might not be
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the best thing for you.
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So there's a number of these examples on YouTube where you can see golf
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instructors
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demonstrating the throwing technique.
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The first guy who I heard about doing it was Fred Shoemaker.
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He would have a lot of students throw clubs down the range just to get the
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feeling of
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kind of the natural athleticism.
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So over here on the left, we have an instructor who is throwing the club and
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you'll see he
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does a very good job of sequencing body, staying in posture.
51
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But if you look at that club face, again, it's almost always in this position
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where that
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would be pointing 40-50 degrees down off to the right compared to where his
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body is aligned.
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And so yes, even though as he comes in, you can see that he's got that lead arm
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in a good
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tucked position.
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He's really maintained his posture.
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He hasn't solved the club face equation.
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So then if we look at his actual swing that he did just after throwing the ball
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, you'll
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see that instead of rotating through here, he starts standing up to help him
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get the club
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face to close.
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So you can see that the club face is in a very, very different position and his
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body's
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in a pretty good different position.
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You'll then see that as he approaches impact, he really extends that right arm
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to get the
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club face to close by using the whole shaft instead of just using this
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motorcycle move
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or shaft rotation or gamma rotation or whatever you want to call it.
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So this is going to be a very common pattern that we're going to see.
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I think that similar to like orange whip training, throwing clubs can be great
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for learning
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the path, but you should use a video so that you can try to incorporate a
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little bit of
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face control because otherwise you're just going to learn path with hands that
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aren't
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in a good alignment to actually hit a golf shot.
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So now we have another example over here on the left.
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She is throwing the club and you can see, you know, great looking sequencing,
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great looking
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arm position, but club face wide open club face wide open club face wide open
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club face
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wide open.
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So that's not going to work when she actually addresses the golf ball.
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Even though it's probably more powerful probably creating more club head speed,
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she has to
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solve that club face equation.
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So here we have her actually hitting a shot and we can compare a few of these
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different
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positions.
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So you can see a very different release strategy because her method for closing
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the club face
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is to stop the body, radial deviate or kind of rehinge that leader wrist and
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flip the
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arm or roll that right shoulder in order to get the club face to close.
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But that's using a lot more that's taking away a lot of her path speed because
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she's
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kind of using some of the path mechanics to help get the club face to close.
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So when she's throwing the ball, you can see she gets very open, trail arms
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still bent,
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but the club face is wide open.
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So she uses sawing her body, rehinging the wrist and rolling that right
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shoulder in order
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to actually get the club face to square in her real swing.
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She can throw as many clubs as she wants, but if she doesn't figure out how to
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solve
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the club face part of the equation first, it's never going to transfer into her
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actual
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swing.
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And if we go back to the original clip of Rory McElroy, it's very hard to see
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the club face
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because it's in a very blurry position, but oftentimes, there we go.
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We'll get one frame or so where kind of the stars align and we're able to see
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the club
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face.
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And we can see that the club face is so much in line with the path of the shaft
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that it
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is literally pointing more than 90 degrees away from where the club face would
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be in
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the actual swing.
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He's able to create a tremendous amount of speed.
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It's a really good throw.
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But if he did that when he actually hit a golf ball, we wouldn't know who he
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was.
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So I don't want to discourage you from throwing clubs.
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I want to clarify when it's useful.
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It's very good for developing throwing sequencing.
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So you're going to get really good body mechanics.
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You're going to get really good arm positions.
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But if you don't address the club face issue, it's never going to transfer to
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your full
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swing.
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It's very similar to what we saw and what we continue to see with golfers
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making practice
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swings where they ask, "Why can't I just do what I did in the practice swing?"
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As we show in another video, it's very common to have lost club face awareness
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because club
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face awareness, since this is a target sport, is going to be one of those big
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skills that
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golfers have to learn in order to maximize their ability to create speed.
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If you have any question about how to close or square the club face, check out
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the club
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face drills or the arm specific drills in either the transition or the release
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section.
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