Seeing Face Rotation on 2D Video
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Identifying your pattern is a key step in knowing your golf swing, this video helps you identify your club squaring technique
Learn how to identify if you square the face with shaft rotation or with in-plane club movement. In plane movement is great for wedges, but if you want to hit longer clubs you'll want to work on your club rotation skills.
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This golf smart insight is seeing clubface rotation with 2D video.
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So I had a member ask, you know, how can you tell if you're rotating the club
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closed
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or if you're doing it more with the in-plane movement or arm straightening?
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Because it is a little bit tricky to see.
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So what I'm going to show you here is how you can use down the line video
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to identify whether you're doing it more with shaft rotation
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or whether you're doing it more with the in-plane club movement or arm straight
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ening.
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From the down the line camera, the really telling phase is going to be just
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below
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waist height or just below shaft parallel.
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So what you'll tend to see is from here we have to look in 3D space.
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So we're going to have to use face on as well as down the line to see what's
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going on.
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You'll see that there the clubface rotated towards the ball,
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but if I did that facing the camera, that is happening more from the in-plane
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movement
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or more from my arm straightening, whether my wrist or my triceps or elbows or
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whatever.
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So if you're looking from face on and you see the club going like this
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where the hands stay more towards that right side of the body as the club
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passes
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and you're looking from down the line and it looks like the clubface is
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rotating,
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you know that that's happening more from the in-plane movement.
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If you see that roughly same amount of club rotation through there,
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but then from face on you see the grip working more across the body as that's
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happening
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then you know that it's happening more from that shaft rotation.
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So we'll use a we'll look at a few examples so that we can kind of start
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training our mind to see what we're trying to look at
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and hopefully you'll be able to see the amount of shaft rotation a little bit
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easier,
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but we're going to look at it during that phase I just showed you as well as
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what's happening
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just after the golf ball.
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When I'm looking at the video, this is the graph that I'm trying to imagine in
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my head.
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It's called axial velocity and it's looking at the rotational speed of the club
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head
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compared to the shaft.
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So when it goes negative, the clubface is rotating open and when it goes
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positive,
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it is rotating closed.
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So here's a golfer that has more of a gradual closing in the clubface.
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You can see that it starts to get positive actually before he changes direction
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and just kind of continues on a gradual slope.
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We can contrast that with this example would be a golfer who has more of a
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rapid closing later
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or uses more of the in-plane movement.
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So here you can see the club is opening and then as he changes direction,
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you can see that it remains opening.
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It's still negative until about shaft 45 or so,
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or closer to shaft parallel and then you'll see it closes very quickly.
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We can also correlate this graph with the straightening of the arm,
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but not everyone has access to this graph.
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So let's take a look at video and see how we can imagine it in 3D space.
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We'll look at a couple different examples of each style.
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It takes a little bit of practice getting to be able to see it
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and you can't see it as accurately as you would on the graph.
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But we just want to see the general pattern.
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So what you're looking for is the clubface angle relative to the shaft.
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So if I were to move through these frames,
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and let's just indicate where the clubhead is.
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That gives us just a rough line of travel that the club is going on.
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Now you can see up at the top there the club is pointing straight up and down
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and then at this point you can see that it is pointing closer to perpendicular
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to the swing plane
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and then down here you can see that it's pointing more or less at the ball.
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But when you're looking at these two you can see the amount of rotation
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kind of through this window or through this phase.
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Now that you know what you're looking for you can kind of start to see it
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actually happen in through there.
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You can actually start to see the club rotating around its axis through there.
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Now you want to confirm it by looking at the face-on video
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and comparing it to the timing of the straightening of that right arm.
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So we know that we were looking at the one on the left and we saw that it was
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rotating through this phase
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and then we'll see that his arm doesn't really straighten while it's going
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through that phase
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and there's not a lot of club passing the hands.
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When we look at a few examples of the club passing the hands we'll see one
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other indicator that you can see
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from the face-on view that will give you a key or a clue to see if it's more of
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the shaft rotation
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or in plain shaft movement.
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Okay so we want to train ourselves to be able to see it without having to draw
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the line
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and here we've got, I wanted to use examples with kind of different grip styles
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So Dustin obviously has a stronger grip and Jordan's probably more neutral even
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to the weak side.
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You can see up here that the club head and club face is roughly in line with
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the direction it's traveling.
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And you can see that by the time he gets to here it's now starting to rotate
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and point towards the golf ball.
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So you can see actually right in through there is where the club face is
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starting to rotate
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and then you see the effect of it and it really rotates through that phase
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there.
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Now let's double check from the face-on view and confirm that it is happening
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not with the straightening of the arm.
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So we can see that through there.
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And the other check that you'll be able to see is kind of the width on the way
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through.
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If you tend to use more of the in-plane shaft movement you won't have shaft
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lean.
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So this particular clip misses impact but you can tell by the shaft being
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pretty vertical out in front of his lead leg
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that he had some shaft lean at impact which would be virtually impossible with
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just the in-plane movement.
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And what you'll tend to see is on the way through you'll tend to see the club
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leaving the ground very quickly.
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So you won't have a really long kind of wide flat bottom of the swing. You'll
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tend to see the club bottom out even before the golf ball
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or be more of a picker style with the irons and you'll see the club come up
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pretty quickly.
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So let's take a look at a couple examples of golfers who don't have as much of
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this face rotation.
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Before we look at a couple amateur examples I wanted to show a elite level gol
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fer who uses more or less of the face rotation model.
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So here you can see filmical sin and you have the clear vision of the club up
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against his body.
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And you can see that through this space now that you know what to look for.
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You can see there's not a lot of rotation. It's pretty much close to the same
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angle compared to the path of the club through that space.
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It closes a little bit but we want to confirm that that's happening more from
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the rotation or the arm extension.
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We can look at it from the face on view. We saw that it was starting to rotate
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kind of around this zone here.
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And you'll see that that left arm, his trail arm is straightening through that
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face.
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Which tends to give a little bit more of this vertical look at impact with that
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right arm really straight.
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It'll be even clearer when we look at a few amateurs that it's really that
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straightening in the arm that causes the majority of the rotation down here at
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the bottom and less of an active twisting of the shaft.
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Okay two quick examples from down the line. What we'll see over here on the
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right can be a little tricky to tell the amount of rotation.
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So one good little checkpoint is if you get the club to let's say halfway
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between shaft parallel and impact.
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Typically golfers who do this will have more of an open club face and it'll be
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pointing more out perpendicular to the target line instead of at the golf ball.
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Golfers who've had that shaft rotation are getting the arms more in front at
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this point and by this position the club will typically be pointing at the golf
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ball.
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Now unfortunately that's not absolute. Here's a golfer that appears to have
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very little rotation.
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But you can see that because of the severity of the closed club face you can
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see that it's pointing at the golf ball at this time.
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So you can confirm it by looking at the position through or the relationship of
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the club face through that space.
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Remember we saw with Dustin Johnson that even if you have a stronger grip
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having a gradual and gentle closing in the club face through shaft rotation
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matches preferred body and arm movements for developing a really consistent
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impact position and a good flat spot.
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So here's a golfer who breaks the rule but is doing more so with the in-plane
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movement. Let's take a quick look at the face on so that you can see what's
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going on or why that's happening.
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So we wanted to confirm with the face on. Remember the golfer on the right
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there was having a little bit of face rotation through this face but you can
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see that it's corresponding with more the grip releasing here on the right side
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of the body.
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Same thing over here we didn't see very we saw very little face rotation but we
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did see it happening a little bit down at the bottom.
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So you'll see that it's pointing more at the target through this straightening
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the arm along the right side of the body and that'll typically cause the club
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to come up very quickly.
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Same thing over here more along the right side of the body and so the club
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tends to come up quickly. You'll often see it accompanied with a chicken wing
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or bending in the arms.
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So hopefully that helps you understand what it's like to try and visualize this
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axial rotation or how much you're squaring the club based on club rotation or
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in-plane shaft movement.
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This golf smart insight is seeing clubface rotation with 2D video.
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So I had a member ask, you know, how can you tell if you're rotating the club
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closed
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or if you're doing it more with the in-plane movement or arm straightening?
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Because it is a little bit tricky to see.
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So what I'm going to show you here is how you can use down the line video
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to identify whether you're doing it more with shaft rotation
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or whether you're doing it more with the in-plane club movement or arm straight
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ening.
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From the down the line camera, the really telling phase is going to be just
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below
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waist height or just below shaft parallel.
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So what you'll tend to see is from here we have to look in 3D space.
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So we're going to have to use face on as well as down the line to see what's
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going on.
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You'll see that there the clubface rotated towards the ball,
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but if I did that facing the camera, that is happening more from the in-plane
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movement
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or more from my arm straightening, whether my wrist or my triceps or elbows or
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whatever.
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So if you're looking from face on and you see the club going like this
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where the hands stay more towards that right side of the body as the club
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passes
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and you're looking from down the line and it looks like the clubface is
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rotating,
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you know that that's happening more from the in-plane movement.
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If you see that roughly same amount of club rotation through there,
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but then from face on you see the grip working more across the body as that's
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happening
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then you know that it's happening more from that shaft rotation.
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So we'll use a we'll look at a few examples so that we can kind of start
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training our mind to see what we're trying to look at
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and hopefully you'll be able to see the amount of shaft rotation a little bit
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easier,
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but we're going to look at it during that phase I just showed you as well as
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what's happening
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just after the golf ball.
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When I'm looking at the video, this is the graph that I'm trying to imagine in
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my head.
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It's called axial velocity and it's looking at the rotational speed of the club
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head
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compared to the shaft.
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So when it goes negative, the clubface is rotating open and when it goes
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positive,
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it is rotating closed.
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So here's a golfer that has more of a gradual closing in the clubface.
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You can see that it starts to get positive actually before he changes direction
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and just kind of continues on a gradual slope.
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We can contrast that with this example would be a golfer who has more of a
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rapid closing later
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or uses more of the in-plane movement.
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So here you can see the club is opening and then as he changes direction,
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you can see that it remains opening.
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It's still negative until about shaft 45 or so,
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or closer to shaft parallel and then you'll see it closes very quickly.
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We can also correlate this graph with the straightening of the arm,
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but not everyone has access to this graph.
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So let's take a look at video and see how we can imagine it in 3D space.
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We'll look at a couple different examples of each style.
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It takes a little bit of practice getting to be able to see it
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and you can't see it as accurately as you would on the graph.
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But we just want to see the general pattern.
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So what you're looking for is the clubface angle relative to the shaft.
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So if I were to move through these frames,
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and let's just indicate where the clubhead is.
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That gives us just a rough line of travel that the club is going on.
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Now you can see up at the top there the club is pointing straight up and down
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and then at this point you can see that it is pointing closer to perpendicular
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to the swing plane
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and then down here you can see that it's pointing more or less at the ball.
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But when you're looking at these two you can see the amount of rotation
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kind of through this window or through this phase.
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Now that you know what you're looking for you can kind of start to see it
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actually happen in through there.
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You can actually start to see the club rotating around its axis through there.
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Now you want to confirm it by looking at the face-on video
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and comparing it to the timing of the straightening of that right arm.
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So we know that we were looking at the one on the left and we saw that it was
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rotating through this phase
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and then we'll see that his arm doesn't really straighten while it's going
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through that phase
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and there's not a lot of club passing the hands.
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When we look at a few examples of the club passing the hands we'll see one
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other indicator that you can see
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from the face-on view that will give you a key or a clue to see if it's more of
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the shaft rotation
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or in plain shaft movement.
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Okay so we want to train ourselves to be able to see it without having to draw
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the line
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and here we've got, I wanted to use examples with kind of different grip styles
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.
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So Dustin obviously has a stronger grip and Jordan's probably more neutral even
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to the weak side.
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You can see up here that the club head and club face is roughly in line with
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the direction it's traveling.
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And you can see that by the time he gets to here it's now starting to rotate
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and point towards the golf ball.
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So you can see actually right in through there is where the club face is
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starting to rotate
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and then you see the effect of it and it really rotates through that phase
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there.
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Now let's double check from the face-on view and confirm that it is happening
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not with the straightening of the arm.
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So we can see that through there.
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And the other check that you'll be able to see is kind of the width on the way
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through.
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If you tend to use more of the in-plane shaft movement you won't have shaft
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lean.
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So this particular clip misses impact but you can tell by the shaft being
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pretty vertical out in front of his lead leg
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that he had some shaft lean at impact which would be virtually impossible with
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just the in-plane movement.
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And what you'll tend to see is on the way through you'll tend to see the club
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leaving the ground very quickly.
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So you won't have a really long kind of wide flat bottom of the swing. You'll
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tend to see the club bottom out even before the golf ball
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or be more of a picker style with the irons and you'll see the club come up
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pretty quickly.
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So let's take a look at a couple examples of golfers who don't have as much of
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this face rotation.
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Before we look at a couple amateur examples I wanted to show a elite level gol
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fer who uses more or less of the face rotation model.
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So here you can see filmical sin and you have the clear vision of the club up
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against his body.
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And you can see that through this space now that you know what to look for.
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You can see there's not a lot of rotation. It's pretty much close to the same
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angle compared to the path of the club through that space.
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It closes a little bit but we want to confirm that that's happening more from
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the rotation or the arm extension.
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We can look at it from the face on view. We saw that it was starting to rotate
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kind of around this zone here.
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And you'll see that that left arm, his trail arm is straightening through that
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face.
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Which tends to give a little bit more of this vertical look at impact with that
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right arm really straight.
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It'll be even clearer when we look at a few amateurs that it's really that
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straightening in the arm that causes the majority of the rotation down here at
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the bottom and less of an active twisting of the shaft.
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Okay two quick examples from down the line. What we'll see over here on the
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right can be a little tricky to tell the amount of rotation.
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So one good little checkpoint is if you get the club to let's say halfway
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between shaft parallel and impact.
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Typically golfers who do this will have more of an open club face and it'll be
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pointing more out perpendicular to the target line instead of at the golf ball.
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Golfers who've had that shaft rotation are getting the arms more in front at
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this point and by this position the club will typically be pointing at the golf
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ball.
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Now unfortunately that's not absolute. Here's a golfer that appears to have
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very little rotation.
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But you can see that because of the severity of the closed club face you can
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see that it's pointing at the golf ball at this time.
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So you can confirm it by looking at the position through or the relationship of
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the club face through that space.
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Remember we saw with Dustin Johnson that even if you have a stronger grip
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having a gradual and gentle closing in the club face through shaft rotation
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matches preferred body and arm movements for developing a really consistent
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impact position and a good flat spot.
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So here's a golfer who breaks the rule but is doing more so with the in-plane
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movement. Let's take a quick look at the face on so that you can see what's
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going on or why that's happening.
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So we wanted to confirm with the face on. Remember the golfer on the right
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there was having a little bit of face rotation through this face but you can
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see that it's corresponding with more the grip releasing here on the right side
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of the body.
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Same thing over here we didn't see very we saw very little face rotation but we
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did see it happening a little bit down at the bottom.
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So you'll see that it's pointing more at the target through this straightening
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the arm along the right side of the body and that'll typically cause the club
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to come up very quickly.
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Same thing over here more along the right side of the body and so the club
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tends to come up quickly. You'll often see it accompanied with a chicken wing
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or bending in the arms.
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So hopefully that helps you understand what it's like to try and visualize this
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axial rotation or how much you're squaring the club based on club rotation or
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in-plane shaft movement.
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