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Net Force Discussion - Simplified Golf Physics

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In this insight, my goal is to help instructors understand the general force patterns

In this discussion video, Tyler answers an instructor question about seeing the overall net force pattern in the golf swing. This is important for instructors to understand, but not critical for the average golfer. This video targets golf nerds only!

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Hi, in this GolfSmart Insight, I'm going to help you understand the forces as

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they apply

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in the golf swing.

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I know that there's a lot of confusion out there about what the forces are, how

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you can

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see them or if you can see them, and the general patterns.

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So in this video, I'm going to hopefully clarify some of those forces,

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especially as they relate

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to the in-plane movement, sometimes referred to as alpha.

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All right, before we look at how it relates to the golf swing, I've got this

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simple little

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drawing to help you understand the net force, because I think it's often

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confused for what

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a golfer is trying to do versus what is actually happening.

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Okay, so in this scenario, I've got a cliff, right, and then there's a weight

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hanging

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around a pulley being held by this gentleman here.

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Now that pulley is not a string, it's a cable, and that's going to be important

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for this third

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situation.

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Okay, now I've got the weight on a cable attached to the guy.

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There's a couple different things that could happen.

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Scenario one, he's kind of lowering it down slowly.

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Scenario two, he's backing up and he's actually pulling it upward.

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And then scenario three, because it's a cable, he's actually pushing it down,

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so he's having

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it fall faster than gravity.

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Okay, in the first scenario, actually the second scenario is probably easy, so

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let's

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start with that.

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So in the second scenario, right here, he's got the cable moving up this way.

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He is clearly pulling on the cable back towards him like this.

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That's where the net force would be going, and it would be greater than

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whatever the

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weight is with gravity.

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On this second example, we've got the weight going down, so he's slowly letting

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it down,

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so his hands and everything would be moving this way, but because the weight is

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going

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down slower than gravity, the net force is back towards him.

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It's going to be in the same direction as him pulling up, just to a lesser

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degree or

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a lesser magnitude.

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It's only an example three, where if he was to accelerate this down greater

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than just

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what gravity would be doing, that he would actually have the force and his hand

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direction

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going out towards the pulley like so.

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Now we'll talk about where this relates to the golf swing, but the common thing

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I hear

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is, okay, if we want the forces coming back in towards you, that you need to be

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really

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pulling up on the handle.

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We'll understand that if you create a ton of club at speed, and this weight is

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pulling

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away from you, or the golf club is swinging away from you, you're going to have

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a really

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high force pulling in towards you, even though your arms are extending and kind

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of letting

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that weight kind of pull your arms out, so that's an important thing to

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understand that

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the net force is a relationship of the physics happening to you or by you, not

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necessarily

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what you're trying to do and what you're feeling.

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Now let's take that rope on a string analogy and apply it to the golf swing,

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and let's

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specifically look at going normal down to the bottom.

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So pulling up on the handle and having the force going more up towards you.

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The orange dots that I have drawn represent roughly where the center of mass

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would be,

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so just behind the shaft in the direction of a club head kind of like this.

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Again, this is incredibly rough, but we don't have to get too specific to be

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able to see

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this general pattern.

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If we take a look at these dots, and if we imagine just the vertical change, or

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just the

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change towards the ground kind of like this, you can see as you get down here

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towards

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the bottom, the vertical change between the dots gets smaller and smaller.

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That means that the center of mass is not accelerating down towards the ground,

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because

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the if it was, then the space between these dots would get bigger and bigger.

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So since the distance between the dots is getting slightly smaller, that means

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that the

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force would be working up away from the ground.

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So when we get down here, where the swing, where the club has a flatish path,

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it was

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moving very vertically through here, and then it has a flatish path.

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That means somewhere around here, which ends up being roughly when those hands

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are in front

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of the thigh, it starts to flatten out, and therefore the force would be

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working away from

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the ground from, let's say, the frame just before this, all the way down

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through and

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past the impact.

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So you can see that unless you had an angle of attack somewhere around 90

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degrees, you're

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probably going to have the net force working away from the ground or towards

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you.

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What really matters is how you apply that force away from the ground, whether

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you do

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it more from your body, whether you do it more by pulling and bending your arms

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.

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But as you've seen, you don't necessarily have to feel like you pull your hands

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in closer

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to your body in order to get the proper net force pattern.

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The other instruction that I commonly hear is down at the bottom, you want to

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be pulling

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not only up, but you want to be pulling in.

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So this is a little bit trickier to see.

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The easiest way to see this is actually from an overhead cam.

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But think of it in the same light as what we did from the face-on.

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We can see that at this phase in the downswing, the center of mass is having

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some clear movement

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out towards the golf ball.

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Now remember, if it slows down its movement out towards the golf ball or it

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changes direction

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in the center of mass starts moving away from the golf ball, that means that

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there was

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a net force away from the golf ball.

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So down here at the bottom where you can see that the path of the club starts

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working

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back up and in, that means that well before then, there was a net force that is

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working

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away from the golf ball.

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So you can see that in order to make a swing where you didn't have the net

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forces working

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back up and in or away from the ground and away from the golf ball, it would be

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very

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challenging.

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In fact, it would not look very much like a golf swing at all.

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The most important part is how you create these forces, not necessarily what

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the forces

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actually are.

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There's still a lot of stuff that we can learn from investigating these net

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forces.

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But the overall patterns kind of make sense with the general movement patterns.

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If you're not sure what the general movement patterns are or therefore what the

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arm should

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be doing in the backswing or transition or the release, either subscribe to our

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the drill

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videos to help you understand all the details as far as what the body should be

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doing during

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the different phases of the swing and how to recognize the feedback as to if

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you're actually

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doing it or not.

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