Analyzing the Cast Pattern, Hip Anatomy, and Swing Mechanics

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the cast pattern so it was you know we did a little bit on the shoulder loading

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we're gonna look more at how you can see the cast pattern in 3d we'll talk

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about the anatomy of the hip and then after that we will look at a couple

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swings that were submitted so that's always helpful and then a handful of

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coaches questions but if you have anything if you have any questions that

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pop up while we're going through these discussions then feel free to post them

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in the chat okay so jumping right in because usually these kind of drag on

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there at the end we'll get started quickly what is a cast so a lot of

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people I believe put cast and over the top in the same category or cast an

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upper body swing in the same category the way I look at a cast is I look at it

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more of a energy transfer so typically the the maximum stretch would happen

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closer to the top of the swing rather than on the downswing so I brought up

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this slide in the first webinar basically looking at how muscles could be

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loaded

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and how you can see that on the kinematic sequence so when it's stretching this

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means that I'm loading it more during the downswing when it's riding the

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stretch that I created at the top of the swing is being maintained and then

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when

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it's fanning the stretch that I created at the top of the swing is being

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decreased as I started down so typically cast pattern is more of a fanning

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pattern now you can do that from an inside-out path you can do that from

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the out path and you could essentially you could cast more from casting the

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core you could cast from the shoulders you could cast from the arms so

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typically

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when I'm looking at 3d I'm thinking of it more from the is it a cast from the

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body or is it a cast from the arms I'm basically looking at what structures

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are releasing their stretch that we created the top of the swing soon so

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simple definition would be when is the maximum stretch is the maximum stretch

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at the top of the swing or during the downswing in a cast pattern the maximum

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stretch is more at the top of the swing okay now let's jump into some 3d graph

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so a number of these graphs hopefully you're somewhat familiar with at this

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point we've got the kinematic sequence which is where we'll be able to see some

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of the details of the cast but then when we break it down into the arms usually

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the key ones I'm gonna look for are lead shoulder angle can happen occasionally

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so I included up there elbow extension is a very common one so elbow extension

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this graph is looking at the amount of bend in the arms so the right arm is

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the or sorry the red line is the right arm and the green line is the left arm

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and basically what we'll see this pattern this golfer doesn't have a very

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dramatic cast just kind of a subtle which we'll see but the cast is not

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happening from the trail elbow which is a common time because we can see the

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as the line goes down that trail elbow is bending and as it gets to the top of

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the swing you'll see that that trail elbow bends a little bit more so going

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back to our initial definition the stretch is reaching its maximum during

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the downswing now if we looked at the lead wrist most golfers would look at the

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red line which is the owner and radial deviation or the hinge in the unhing and

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think that that has a big impact on the cast pattern and I'll show you

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hopefully

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an example where that is actually decreasing but it still has a cast so

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you can hinge it or unhing it and that has very little bearing on what you're

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gonna see with the cast pattern the from the arms perspective the two that will

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have the biggest impact are the trail elbow bending straightening or the trail

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wrist flexing extending so this golfer is actually having more of a cast

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pattern

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from the trail wrist where you can see the green line here is reaching its

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maximum stretch well before the top of the swing and then it slowly starts to

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lose its extension before it reaches the top of the swing and so that's where

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could potentially see the blue lines thing below the brown line but he does a

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good job with that red line over here he does a good job with the trail elbow

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load so it shows up more is just kind of a riding pattern not a big fanning

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pattern okay next one we'll look at so we're gonna scan those numbers we can

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we can see on here that this golfer has the if we look at the blue compared to

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the brown there's a little bit more of a loading pattern and so here we'll see

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some of the increase has happened from the trail elbow some of the increase has

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happened from a little bit of increased hinge so that red line over here and

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then he's pretty much maintained or he has a little blip in extension where it

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gets a little bit increased as he's starting the downswing but it's not

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very dramatic the two big areas where he's creating some downswing loader in

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elbows and he's actually doing it in both elbows so you can see the left elbow

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is bending here during transition and he's increasing the amount of radial

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deviation he's loading the arm across the shoulder all those are or across the

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chest all of those will show up as the leg or more of a loading pattern okay we

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got one more anonymous pro but you can see that this golfer is left-handed down

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at the bottom that's the only a little clue you get and this golfer you can see

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that the there's a little bit of blue above the brown but for the most part the

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brown is above the blue for most of the downswing so this is a golfer who's

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to have really good wedge play but not necessarily the greatest ball

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striking definitely not a long hitter so even though we see a little bit of

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of a cast pattern especially mid-delay downswing if we scan the graphs we can

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try to decode why so a little increase here of the trail risk we'll see some

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some bigger ones that will help you understand why I say that's a little I'd

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say for for a more like powerful downswing the average is somewhere around 10

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degree increase between the top of the swing and the max but more of a cast

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pattern will have it loaded to the max at the top of the swing now over here he

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actually has a pretty sizable increase in that lead wrist so he's increasing

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hinge he's cocking his wrist his left wrist during the downswing but he's flex

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the trail wrist and if we look at the elbows that's a bigger indicator for me

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he's losing the the flex in his elbows pretty much straight away from the top

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of the swing so he reaches his maximum stretch right about there and he reaches

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the maximum shoulder stretch right around the top of the swing so no load of

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triceps during the downswing no load of the shoulders a little load of the

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hinge

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on hinge of the left wrist that creates more of a cast pattern so all those key

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areas where he's not loading okay one more anonymous pro this one has this one

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has what kind of more of a look of a really massive downcock so you know kind

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of think more like a bent Hogan or like a Charles Howell type where you're

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seeing

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a really massive hinging or increase in that angle from the face on camera view

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now we'll see that his do happen primarily from the wrist he has a little

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bit of increase here from the shoulder he has more of a cast pattern from the

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elbows so the triceps aren't really getting loaded but if we look at that

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trail wrist at the top of the swing he's got 35 degrees of extension and then

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midway into the downswing he's got 70 so he increases the trail wrist

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extension or this would be the throwers catch on the website he increases that

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almost double almost 30 degrees during the downswing and then the left wrist

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you will see a tiny bit you know more than the other guys but probably about

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five six degrees of increased hinge so if you're looking at the cast pattern

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it's rarely going to be trying to get any increase in the radial owner it's

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more about either getting the trail wrist to extend getting the lead arm to pin

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across the chest or getting the lead elbow or sorry the trail elbow to bend

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more in transition so the next golfer has a little bit of all those this is

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great weight as I've said he's he's got no problem with any of us using his

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data in presentations so you'll see he's kind of you know everyone knows what

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swing looks like fairly classic you know just good solid movements and you'll

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he has an increase in the trail elbow so he's bending that trail elbow more so

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he's loading that tricep he's got a little bit of an increase across the

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shoulder so he's loading that left shoulder he's got a pretty good so he's

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more in that 10 degree range increase in trail wrist extension and then as far

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as radial and owner that one's pretty flat but you'll see that the blue line is

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above the brown line fairly significantly and for a long period

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during the downswing if you're not used to seeing these especially you know I

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tried to cram a bunch on the screen so if you're not used to seeing these it'll

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look much more dramatic or the difference will look more dramatic when you

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compare

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them to amateurs so the next we'll look at two high handicap golfers who have a

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really big cast pattern so here you can see the brown line above the blue line

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all the way from the start of the downswing so now we can take a look at the

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different areas to figure out why why would the club head or the shaft be

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moving much faster than the lead upper arm well if we look at those elbows that

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a really steep acceleration quickly before he changes direction so if we

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took him up to the top of the swing you'd see a really big throwing pattern or

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straightening of the arms so that's where his the primary driver of his cast

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pattern is because you'll see he actually increases so he hinges that lead

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wrist

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more than say grant weight but because of what's going on that the arms the

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kinemax sequence is going to show more of the cast pattern and then from the

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trail wrist you can see wow he only gets 40 degrees of extension and he just

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kind of flat lines he doesn't really increase it during the downswing you

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can see if we go a little further we could see that it's crossing impact

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pretty close to where he started that's that's a lot of right arm throw but his

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main source of the right arm throw is coming more from the triceps and the

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arms or the shoulders rather than from the wrist

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now here's a golfer who's equally throwing from the shoulders and arms as he is

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from the wrist so we can see there's a really big gap

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between the two clubhead is moving definitely the fastest this is a

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higher handicap slicer and you will see he does have a little bit of more of a

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throwing motion of that lead wrist as well but not as dramatic as the trail

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wrist in fact he has more flex at impact more flex of that trail wrist

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than he had at setup which is quite rare this would be a very backward

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so I see the question from Ed unfortunately I'm running this in power

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point so this is not actually like I can't actually

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move this around if I if I go to click on play it'll just

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show up the problem is I can't I can't do it live without revealing

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the names and some of the golfers I'm not allowed to share so I could do live

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with possibly some of the or one of the amateurs but I would also have to set

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up the streaming service to be able to find that window which would take a

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little bit um so what's uh I think what the um

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what could be better is uh next time I'll I'll run it live for one of the

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amateurs um but like I said we won't be able to look at

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any of the pros or possibly grant weight um but I'll see if I can

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figure that out for the next uh pattern I think it should be easy enough

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for the next uh webinar okay uh but back to him you can see the

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the common pattern so basically what I want you to know

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going away from this um is if you're seeing the throwing motion if you're

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seeing more of the arms straightening from the

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top of the swing or if you're seeing what looks like a cast it's not a hinging

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it's definitely not increasing the the lead wrist uh like you know hinging a

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hammer or the radial deviation from the arm perspective it's more about

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the timing of the arms bending which usually comes from having some

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better arm relaxation and reaching a near maximum wrist extension

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during the downswing and you saw how late if we go back to some of these

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guys you can see how late they are reaching

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that maximum wrist extension especially the longer hitters um that's probably

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just below parallel or close to parallel

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so one thing that you will uh see and I cover this in my um

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world golf fitness summit talk is that there's a difference um usually a

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shuttle a subtle shift in the cast pattern from the body's perspective

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when you look at a tour pro swinging their driver

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compared to swinging a short iron so this is the difference between swinging

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for this tour pro swinging his driver and swinging his uh 59 degree wedge

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and you'll see the blue to brown maintains a similar relationship so he's doing

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similar arm motions uh but you'll see that the body

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has gotten a lot slower with the wedge compared to the full swing

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so if you have a golfer um who has kind of more of this fanning or cast

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pattern and they say they're really good with their wedges um be prepared that

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as you improve their full swing there is a chance they'll start struggling a

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little bit with the shorter clubs um so here's

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I wanted to show grant weight he's a interesting example if you look at his

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proximity and and stats with his wedges they're not nearly as

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good as his full swing and I think part of that if you were to look at these

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two

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uh kinematic sequences is you'll see he he adopts more of a

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um basically kind of one gear one pattern um for both of his

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full swing as well as the uh wedge swing so um with a driver you'll see a

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little

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bit more bend here and a little bit increased

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wrist extension there um still flat lining with the wrist

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with the unhinged there um and then you'll see a little bit

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uh less of a downswing load of the arms but

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overall pretty similar pattern now here's a golfer who I think

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is a little better statistically even though his kinematic sequence

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looks like it's not quite as clean um if we just look at the kinematic sequence

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you'll see there's a pretty good shift between

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where what his lower body does um and what his core does so the red line

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and the green line um with the full swing the lower body

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leads quite a bit with the uh nine iron here

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you'll see it's a little bit more in sync um and then uh but if you look at the

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blue and the brown lines you'll see that the

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the arm motions the wrist release uh tend to be a little bit

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closer than the body pattern and so that's why you'll tend to see I build

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more of the release drills are kind of like you know

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you do this with everything and then there are a number of different pivot

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drills that identify some of the differences between

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the driver and iron um in fact in this one golfer's case um if you

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if you look at his loading of his wrist there's actually a little sharper

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loading during the downswing of his right wrist compared to his

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driver's swing um so he's getting a little bit more of that speed

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contribution from getting more extension of the wrist

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and that could contribute to his uh low point control as well

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okay other than asking if i can run the animations um are there any questions

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related to these uh these 3d graphs so

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the quick summary is the cast pattern is when you reach the maximum stretch at

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the top of the swing as opposed to the downswing

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key areas to look at are the extension of the trail wrist

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and then the straightening of the elbows and then the

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kind of tier two would be looking at the lead wrist

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um owner and radial and then looking at the lead shoulder

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angle uh this one's rare but sometimes

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can be a key component the more common ones are the uh the triceps or the

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elbow straightening and the trail wrist extension is the

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biggest contribution uh to the cast pattern in my opinion

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okay so moving on the hip um the hip is uh

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let me just grab a swig of water

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okay the hip is actually one of the

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simplest joints which uh you would think because it has so many degrees of

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freedom or so much range of motion that it's one of the more complicated

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joints um but it's a ball and socket so we can basically

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move in um almost any direction uh as long as it's not restricted by

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bone or super stiff muscles so the common descriptions of the

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movements would be um extension which uh this

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uh um somewhere around 10 degrees 20 degrees i'll show you that uh one

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other um little animation has 30 degrees but

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the most common one i've seen is about 10 degrees of hip extension

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uh about 130 degrees of hip flexion uh so basically the ability to

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put your thigh up against your your abs um and then

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adduction is usually somewhere around 30 to 45 degrees

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typically when you see um people do the splits

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it's not that they're getting their hips all the way to 90 degree

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um adduction they're doing a combination of adduction and then

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internal and external rotation typically around uh 40 degrees

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uh both directions um ideally uh you want

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especially for golf we want to maintain as much of the internal rotation as we

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can um if you were to have one predictor of

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whether someone is going to need a hip replacement it doesn't have to do with

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the amount of pain it has more to do with the

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lost internal rotation so stretch some of the deep six

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which we'll talk about here later

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okay so then here's again just another uh you'll see that

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when you look in different books or you look on different websites they'll have

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slightly different ranges so um it's not important that you get

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at a specific amount it's more um kind of the quality of movement

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and the uh the ballpark and put it that way

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now the important thing with the hip because

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that really is it's a simple joint and one one rule that i heard was

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the the easier it is to do a joint replacement the easier

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or the more simple the joint is so like that's why shoulders are more

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complicated for joint replacement um hands or

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and feet are very complicated for joint replacement but

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the hip is really simple um just because it's a it's quite simple joint

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but the hip has a big relationship between what's going on with the pelvis

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and what's going on with the lumbar spine so it's actually

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typically referred to as the lumbopelvic femoral complex

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so lumbar spine pelvic femoral bone that whole complex

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moves together and one of the things that you want to do

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as a golf instructor is you want to be able to see

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is the movement happening more from the hip or is the movement happening more

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from the spine um so in this particular example

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the slide i took from a gate presentation but if i um one of the

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one of the drills that i'll usually have golfers do in the warm-up is a leg

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swing and part of the reason i'll have them do that

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is i'll say when you do this leg swing i want you to try to keep

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your abs on so that your your spine's not going a whole lot like this

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right so i'll say stay tall keep your spine pretty still

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and you're just going to swing the leg back and forth

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and there'll be some movement but what you'll see is some golfers will do more

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of the movement like this where i wasn't even really moving

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my hip i was just moving my spine and other golfers will move it

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quite well and i'll do that forward into the side

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so that i can see like are they doing it more

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from the spine or can they actually disassociate and move it more from the

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hip you can also do rotation and that can be quite helpful as well

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once you've because you're going to have a hard time

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on the lesson tee making big changes to their their amount of movement their

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flexibility but you can you can make pretty good

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changes to the quality of the movement by helping them

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more from an educational process so when we jump back here

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you could see when i was doing that this was moving a little bit but my goal

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was to keep that pretty much level and get all the swinging movement happening

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from the hip

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you can see here there's what's going to be more important is we're going to go

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over the muscles associated with this area

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and how they relate to each other so the key here is this pelvic tilt

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you you could see them faking it and doing more of the movement from the

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lumbar spine you could see them faking it and doing

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more of the movement down from the knees but ideally this movement is happening

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at rotating around the hip joint with the pelvis and the lumbar spine

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accommodating or responding to the movement not necessarily driving it

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ideally this movement is driven more from

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the glutes whoops and the lower abs not so much

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from the the quads or the lower back or i would say even the hamstrings

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so again our goal in this is if you haven't thought about it being able to

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visualize some of these relationships a little bit better to help your

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anatomy studies now the other component is what happens to the lower leg which

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we talked about a little bit in the foot discussion

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in one of the other webinars when the pelvis tilts forward typically the

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hip will rotate in the leg will rotate in the knee will move

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in and the foot will pronate so one of the things that you have to be careful

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is some golfers will come in and tell you that they have

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a leg length issue or something like that and if the pelvis is out of order

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then that can create an apparent leg length issue

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um and so with the leg length issue they might have

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problems shifting weight they might have problems they'll typically stay more

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over the short leg um so when this is rotated forward

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they'll stay more on to this pronated foot rather than wanting to shift

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into the longer leg it's almost like walking uphill

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so that can influence your low point that can influence your path that can

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influence your speed generation and it could all be driven from

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what's going on with these muscles in the hip i do think that uh like later

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this

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afternoon i'm going uh over to the gym to help

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out uh one of our students who's got some back pain

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um and we're going to be doing a bunch of hip related stretches and activation

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exercises uh so um this is one area where

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you can do a lot of good just from 10-15 minutes of stretching uh as long as

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it's good quality stretch now as you're starting to see there's

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some important but detailed relationships um i

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try like i know that some people uh love to preach this whole

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stability mobility alternating pattern

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the mobile stable model of the body um but i think it's

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the problem is um that's fine for showing your client that's fine for

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uh like describing hey we need to do some stretching of the hips and we need to

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do some strengthening of the abs but i've i've heard

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like trainers and practitioners talking to each other

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in this language i think it's way too simplified

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for how the body actually works um because what we just saw with those

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relationships is what's happening at the hip is influencing

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the lumbar spine so just saying that this area needs to be stable

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um this whole area like the the pelvis the lower back

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the hip needs to be both stable and mobile and well-educated to move

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together um so that's just uh i saw this slide

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while i was collecting some of the images for this

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presentation and i figured i'd take just draw a little attention to that so if

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you're staying saying the whole stable mobile thing

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that's great for your students but you should understand it deeper than that

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okay so the key um the the key relationship for looking at the hip

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is looking at its relationship to what's going on

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with the pelvis um and the lumbar spine for example

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over here you could say that the the left side is lower so the

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hip is in um adduction a dd or you could say that

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the lumbar spine has a side bend uh to the left or like this

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or you could say that the pelvis was probably

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slightly rotated um which it it doesn't have to but um

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you would you would typically describe this more

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from the uh the driving movement or the stance leg

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so when in the golf swing it's interesting because we

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shift weight and when you shift weight you move from an open chain environment

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to a closed chain environment what i mean by that is when

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when this golfer is standing on the right leg over here

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then when they go to move their hip their pelvis will move

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but over here on the left leg which is not supported on the ground if they go

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to move their hip the leg will move and the hip will move

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and the uh pelvis won't move quite as much

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so that's where there's some important relationships

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with where the weight is and how your body

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would move so uh we have a question coming up later

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where we'll talk about the the takeaway in using the feet

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one of the important things about using the feet is that supports the

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um relationship of the hip and the pelvis going through the ground

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and that's where some of the uh practitioners

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where they um what they really mean when they say that

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energy is developed through the ground it's that

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it's not that the ground is providing any sort of speed

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but the the ground provides the uh the platform for your body to apply force

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against and then you take that force that you've created

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your muscles to then move objects whether it's yourself or the golf club

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it's all going through your connection to the ground

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so the important thing to look at is which leg has the weight and therefore

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which um hip is moving in open chain or which hip is moving in closed chain and

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how the pelvis and the lumbar spine would be

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either driving or responding but the basic movements of the side bend

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forward and backward tilt and rotation are the key movements that you'll look

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at

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this is just showing some of the rotations but we covered that

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and then this would be looking at some of those normal movements

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of the hip flexion and extension and uh so here's similar to what i was

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describing with the splits um like the natural

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extension is only 10 degrees and so anything

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greater than that is either happening from the lumbar spine

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or in this case they're actually rotating the pelvis and opening up the

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hip so it creates this a funny um appearance of 40

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degrees of hip extension but i promise if we measured it would

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be no more than the 20 30 degrees on the upper end

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probably closer to 10 degrees of what uh most books say is normal

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okay before we get into the muscles let's talk real quick about the capsule

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this is mostly for the the few trainers who are in on the call

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um so the the the hip evolved with us uh in four

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points so it has a lot of stability on um the

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backside and a lot of the hip issues come from the lack of stability on the

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front side so there's some really important

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ligaments that cross the front of the hip and you have two huge muscles you

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have

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your psoas muscle and your rec femme that form a

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cross over the hip to provide that uh stability on the front side to make sure

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that your hip doesn't pop forward um so these are important areas to both

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have flexibility but also to have um education

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and so good balance exercises helps with the awareness and the appropriate

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reception of these ligaments not just uh the

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stretching of the muscles around the hip

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okay so while we're talking about the muscles around the hip

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um if we're thinking of it in the hip pelvis lumbar spine complex

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then this area becomes really important um so these are some of the most common

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muscles of the hip uh it doesn't for some reason they

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don't include the quad as a muscle because it doesn't attach um to the

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greater trochanter it's uh you know on the pelvis or below but um

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i would say that those are also important hip muscles

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so the ones that you're used to training would be the the glutes over here they

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provide um some of the rotation as well as

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controlling the side tilt which is very important for golf

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um from the front view looking at here's the so as muscle

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um and it's quite it's quite large um so that so as muscle is basically going

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if we we've got the the image on screen it's going from just below my or behind

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my belly button so from this part of the spine

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down to the inside of my thigh so it's basically going like this and it's

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it's almost the size of a small arm so this muscle is quite thick

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um and that provides um it's probably one of the most

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important muscles it in the in the golf swing it provides

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a little bit of stability in the hip hinged position and it

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provides um the kind of the platform against the

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glute so that when you go into hip extension in the follow through

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um the the hip wouldn't just push into the capsule it would serve as kind of

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the breaking mechanism um and it also uh it has a very

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important relationship with both the abs and the glute max

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so this is one of the most important muscles to maintain flexibility with

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um but strength that can be a key component as well

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now what we'll see when we look at the relationships of muscles is that there

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are some important slings between your abs and your

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adductors or inner thigh muscles um and we'll kind of come back to that

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and now these are what are referred to as the deep six

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external rotators um so they're these small muscles that go from the pelvis

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to the um and one of them is an internal rotator but

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the the deep six are kind of like the rotator cuff of the hip

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so just like we covered the you know you got your super sprenatus your

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00:37:16.560 --> 00:37:19.680
infrasprenatus terries major minor in subscap

465
00:37:19.680 --> 00:37:22.960
kind of holding the shoulder in a glove you've got

466
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.440
um the same thing happening down at the

467
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:32.480
at the hip and these muscles are largely associated with quality of movement

468
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:37.920
and control but they can easily get uh tight

469
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.440
and when they become tight they will have a bigger restriction on your

470
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:45.600
movement than if you're just your glutes are tight

471
00:37:45.600 --> 00:37:50.640
because they're because they're deeper um here's another slide that kind of

472
00:37:50.640 --> 00:37:53.520
shows it as well as the relationship between you can see

473
00:37:53.520 --> 00:37:58.240
all these muscles uh and the sciatic nerve that

474
00:37:58.240 --> 00:38:01.520
either comes just below or between these two muscles

475
00:38:01.520 --> 00:38:06.320
for some really unlucky people the sciatic nerve actually goes right

476
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:11.040
through the middle of the piriformis um but the piriformis is one of those

477
00:38:11.040 --> 00:38:17.120
deep six and it's uh really um

478
00:38:17.120 --> 00:38:20.720
it's involved in a lot of backplane back pain

479
00:38:20.720 --> 00:38:24.720
scenarios um so we'll talk about that a little bit more when we

480
00:38:24.720 --> 00:38:28.640
when we look at the pelvis um because that's going to be

481
00:38:28.640 --> 00:38:32.960
another important discussion uh but just know that

482
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.360
you can you can kind of visualize how all those muscles

483
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:42.000
could create some pinching or trapping of this

484
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.480
sciatic nerve and that would create some really significant pain patterns

485
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:50.720
uh for a lot of your golfers so the the few trainers who I have on there

486
00:38:50.720 --> 00:38:55.600
make sure you know how to stretch at the very least the piriformis well

487
00:38:55.600 --> 00:39:00.560
the glute uh medius minimus well and obturator internus um and actually

488
00:39:00.560 --> 00:39:07.120
quadratus femoris i'd say these two uh are a little bit harder to try and

489
00:39:07.120 --> 00:39:11.120
stretch um but if you know how to stretch those

490
00:39:11.120 --> 00:39:15.200
for you can create a a good amount of relief for a

491
00:39:15.200 --> 00:39:19.520
lot of hip and lower back pain

492
00:39:19.520 --> 00:39:23.680
okay so now we'll look at a few of the muscle chains

493
00:39:23.680 --> 00:39:27.040
before we get going into some of these questions

494
00:39:27.040 --> 00:39:32.240
and uh case studies so there's two important

495
00:39:32.240 --> 00:39:37.120
relationships we'll look at one is this area right here where

496
00:39:37.120 --> 00:39:42.640
the the sit bone is a really important attachment site

497
00:39:42.640 --> 00:39:49.520
for the the hamstring as well as the um sacred tuberous ligament

498
00:39:49.520 --> 00:39:54.320
which is one of the big connections from the lower back down to the lower

499
00:39:54.320 --> 00:40:00.480
leg um you can see this muscle or this chain of muscles going all the way up

500
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:05.840
through there um this is where a lot of compression

501
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:12.000
um and back pain situations uh i don't want to say originate but um

502
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.840
learning how to manage proper stretching in the hamstrings

503
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:22.640
as well as um proper relief of some of these uh ligaments around your lower

504
00:40:22.640 --> 00:40:25.840
back like the sacred tuberous ligament um can be

505
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:30.560
huge for creating uh um or reducing back pain

506
00:40:30.560 --> 00:40:35.680
um so the more important ones for golf this one i just wanted to

507
00:40:35.680 --> 00:40:40.160
highlight for the like you said the few trainers on here um making sure that

508
00:40:40.160 --> 00:40:44.320
you know how to stretch the bicep femoris um but

509
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:48.640
the ones that are more important for golf are more the rotational slings

510
00:40:48.640 --> 00:40:55.360
uh so the glute um connecting more to the side of the leg

511
00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:00.080
so here's where you can see uh this doesn't have the the glute but you'll

512
00:41:00.080 --> 00:41:05.680
see the hip um gets moved by the quads the

513
00:41:05.680 --> 00:41:09.920
adductors the glutes and the hamstrings and this

514
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:14.480
anchor point is kind of a bridge where all these different directions

515
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:20.560
connect and transfer their energy um so one of the one little challenge

516
00:41:20.560 --> 00:41:25.520
is um golfers because we're we're not quite bent over this much but because

517
00:41:25.520 --> 00:41:29.840
we're bent over some there's some slack on the front side of the body and

518
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:32.480
there's a little bit more tension on the back side of the body

519
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:38.320
if you're already a little bit tight or stiff on the back side of the body

520
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:42.560
this is one reason why it can be hard to rotate because when you rotate

521
00:41:42.560 --> 00:41:46.000
you're going to lengthen one side of this already tight uh

522
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:52.960
structure um so it's cool the body um but that usually goes within

523
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.120
goes away within a couple weeks of working on staying in your posture

524
00:41:57.120 --> 00:42:01.920
unless they have some type of uh pathology that's causing them actual

525
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:06.480
problems so one way to look at those relationships

526
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:10.160
which um we'll we'll talk about here more and more

527
00:42:10.160 --> 00:42:14.160
is these slings that go from your shoulder across your ribs

528
00:42:14.160 --> 00:42:17.680
ribs down across your pelvis and hip down to your knee

529
00:42:17.680 --> 00:42:21.520
so you have these two kind of crosses on the front and you have the two crosses

530
00:42:21.520 --> 00:42:25.520
on the back so here you can see it's not quite this

531
00:42:25.520 --> 00:42:31.520
clean and clear in the body um but the attachment of the abs

532
00:42:31.520 --> 00:42:37.040
works directly in line with the adductors so you can imagine if this arm was

533
00:42:37.040 --> 00:42:41.680
down in more golf posture or actually here we'll do it this way

534
00:42:41.680 --> 00:42:48.560
um so uh this the abs are kind of going down across

535
00:42:48.560 --> 00:42:52.880
in this direction and then they that line basically works across onto my

536
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:57.360
inner thigh so these two coming together is a very natural

537
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:01.200
and powerful pattern and then on the back side

538
00:43:01.200 --> 00:43:04.960
you've got your your big hip external rotators your glute

539
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:09.040
and your leg coming down the opposite side so these two

540
00:43:09.040 --> 00:43:13.760
will naturally go together where basically this arm will go

541
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:19.520
as this leg is pulling back or this body will rotate forward

542
00:43:19.520 --> 00:43:23.840
as this is coming forward so working those slings helps build the engine of

543
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:26.640
the golf swing which helps control the steep shallows and

544
00:43:26.640 --> 00:43:30.480
allows for the arms to be more of the steering wheel and kind of fine-tuning

545
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.160
control rather than the engine like we saw with a

546
00:43:34.160 --> 00:43:38.640
bunch of those cast pattern golfers

547
00:43:38.640 --> 00:43:45.440
so then here are the the more common you got the spiral line and the functional

548
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.600
lines um that i like anatomy trains i think it's

549
00:43:49.600 --> 00:43:55.040
missing you know there's way more connections in the functional line than

550
00:43:55.040 --> 00:44:00.080
just um the abs to the pecs uh because you could actually

551
00:44:00.080 --> 00:44:04.480
make the argument of the the pec connection to the external oblique which

552
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.920
would be involved in this and more so than just i believe that's

553
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:11.360
adductor magnus uh you got five layers of adductors

554
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:14.640
and they're they all have similar attachment sites to

555
00:44:14.640 --> 00:44:21.920
this location here um but again looking at this uh

556
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:26.240
i'm gonna zoom in on something or i'm gonna try zooming in on something

557
00:44:26.240 --> 00:44:29.920
uh which we have a a slide that i'll look at there but

558
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:33.520
i want you to see how this comes down through here and then

559
00:44:33.520 --> 00:44:37.680
wraps underneath the bottom of the foot and connects on the first

560
00:44:37.680 --> 00:44:43.440
meta over there that's going to come up here in five or ten minutes when we get

561
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:48.800
into the question and answers but i'll scale it back so that when we

562
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:53.440
print this for your when you get to watch the replays it'll

563
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:59.280
match a little bit better um okay so

564
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:06.800
i'll check over to the chats hey Jake thanks for joining um

565
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:10.080
if there are any questions about the hip anatomy

566
00:45:10.080 --> 00:45:13.920
let me know i know the anatomy is that's kind of like eating the

567
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:17.680
vegetables and not the ones that have been dipped in ranch dressing but like

568
00:45:17.680 --> 00:45:23.040
the ones that you need where it'll it um as you study it more you'll be able

569
00:45:23.040 --> 00:45:26.880
to make some of the connections between why a golfer is moving

570
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:31.200
in a specific way um and why that would be beneficial for them so therefore

571
00:45:31.200 --> 00:45:35.120
what you'll have to change uh but at first they can be

572
00:45:35.120 --> 00:45:38.080
quite overwhelming there's a lot of muscles and a lot of

573
00:45:38.080 --> 00:45:44.080
facial connections okay jumping into the questions

574
00:45:44.080 --> 00:45:50.000
let's get back to some of this fun stuff okay so can you explain the forces and

575
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:55.280
torques uh of the hands put on the grip in the backswing

576
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:59.920
um it's you're right it's not talked about nearly as much

577
00:45:59.920 --> 00:46:04.000
as the forces and torques in the downswing um so i'll use this as more of an

578
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:09.680
opportunity to just talk about the kind of the global um forces in torques

579
00:46:09.680 --> 00:46:17.760
uh so especially looking at the um in plane is one of the easiest ways to

580
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:21.280
at least look at like understand the concepts so

581
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:24.560
if you look at the golf club swinging in the golf plane

582
00:46:24.560 --> 00:46:31.280
there are two major components to the what's causing this thing to rotate

583
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:37.440
so one is the actual rotation of the the club around its center of mass so

584
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:41.520
that's referred to as the torque and then two would be if i apply

585
00:46:41.520 --> 00:46:47.600
a linear force but not directly through the center of mass but on any

586
00:46:47.600 --> 00:46:51.600
angle compared to the center of mass it will cause the club to rotate so that

587
00:46:51.600 --> 00:46:54.240
it lines up with the center of mass so you've got your

588
00:46:54.240 --> 00:46:57.760
what's typically referred to as the moment of force which is the

589
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.800
linear pull and then you've got the couple which is

590
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:07.040
more commonly what the hands do typically golfers feel the couple

591
00:47:07.040 --> 00:47:10.640
but typically the moment of force is has the

592
00:47:10.640 --> 00:47:15.600
kind of bigger influence so during the backswing

593
00:47:15.600 --> 00:47:19.040
uh the moment of force during the backswing

594
00:47:19.040 --> 00:47:23.680
would actually i'm pulling this way center masses down there they want to

595
00:47:23.680 --> 00:47:26.960
get in line so it would cause the club to want to

596
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:32.640
rotate that way obviously most golfers do not

597
00:47:32.640 --> 00:47:37.600
take the club back like this because they use their arm in the hand and the

598
00:47:37.600 --> 00:47:41.440
couple to bring it back with it it's easy to do when it doesn't take a

599
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.640
whole lot of um the the couple dominates when it's

600
00:47:44.640 --> 00:47:47.760
moving slowly the moment of force dominates when it's moving really

601
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:51.840
quickly since the club is moving slowly during the takeaway

602
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.040
you'll feel like you're bringing it back with your arms

603
00:47:55.040 --> 00:48:01.520
um because the couple is resisting the the the moment want making it want to

604
00:48:01.520 --> 00:48:06.960
rotate in the opposite direction um so the the important ones for the

605
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:09.920
couple would be it's going to pull it away

606
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.920
this way to resist the the moment and then it's going to decelerate it

607
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:18.240
at the top of the swing um so you'll start applying a positive twerked

608
00:48:18.240 --> 00:48:22.080
to slow down the club so that it can then change direction

609
00:48:22.080 --> 00:48:29.120
those are the two big components um that i see in the backswing

610
00:48:29.120 --> 00:48:33.920
i usually coach more of quiet the couple so less of the

611
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:40.160
hand taking it away more of the moment or body um action in the takeaway

612
00:48:40.160 --> 00:48:45.120
and then getting enough momentum so that the arms actually have to slow it

613
00:48:45.120 --> 00:48:50.320
down at the top of swing instead of um just lifting and using the arms

614
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:56.240
so typically most of the the arm action that i or the backswing action that i

615
00:48:56.240 --> 00:48:59.520
teach is just some simple positioning of the arms

616
00:48:59.520 --> 00:49:05.200
but leading it with the body and staying more in in posture and in position

617
00:49:05.200 --> 00:49:09.600
do the hand and arm movements on the backswing make the body movements fall

618
00:49:09.600 --> 00:49:13.680
into place correctly going back um that's

619
00:49:13.680 --> 00:49:18.480
i don't think there's ever an absolute so i think that it's important that you

620
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:21.760
know what the arms should do you know what the body should do you know

621
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:25.760
how those might feel working together so that then

622
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:29.360
some golfers all you have to talk about is the body and the arms fall in place

623
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:33.680
other golfers all you have to do is talk about the arms the body falls in place

624
00:49:33.680 --> 00:49:37.360
others do both really well and others do neither really well

625
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:43.840
um so that's definitely one of the arts of coaching is figuring out

626
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:49.280
of the pieces like what's the order which one do i try if if i try this one

627
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.400
hopefully will it clean up two or three of these others

628
00:49:52.400 --> 00:50:00.800
oftentimes i'd say with the backswing more often than not

629
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:06.400
the body staying in position does enough so that the arms don't have to make a

630
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:11.040
major change so i'd say while the downswing i tend to

631
00:50:11.040 --> 00:50:15.520
think that the arms drive the body being in for more golfers if you get

632
00:50:15.520 --> 00:50:19.440
good arm action on the downswing i think for more golfers if you get good

633
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:23.760
body action in the backswing it kind of drives it but

634
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:26.880
definitely not absolutely you have to know how to teach both the arms and the

635
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:30.400
body um how quickly does a tour player get

636
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:35.520
into the right heel on the backswing uh was with so they get in their pressure

637
00:50:35.520 --> 00:50:38.560
into the right foot i'm not going to say right heel but they get their

638
00:50:38.560 --> 00:50:42.720
pressure into the right foot um before the club is

639
00:50:42.720 --> 00:50:47.040
parallel so quite early there's kind of a a step

640
00:50:47.040 --> 00:50:52.640
with that weight shift so right through there right there

641
00:50:52.640 --> 00:50:56.800
there's a fair amount and whether they go this way

642
00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:00.720
that's still a fair amount of pressure shift into that right foot i know i said

643
00:51:00.720 --> 00:51:03.120
weight but it was it should have been pressure

644
00:51:03.120 --> 00:51:07.520
we all know that um but your comment of

645
00:51:07.520 --> 00:51:12.480
into the right heel so now that you know we've talked about some of the bigger

646
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:15.360
areas in anatomy um we're going to use this because

647
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:19.120
you have a another your next question is about the left foot big toe

648
00:51:19.120 --> 00:51:25.200
um so i'm going to bring up slide real quick

649
00:51:25.200 --> 00:51:29.120
this is looking at the bottom of a foot

650
00:51:29.120 --> 00:51:34.800
okay so here's obviously the big toe and then here's the pinky toe

651
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:38.960
you'll see that two of the important structures

652
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:43.680
wrap underneath the foot um so this is tibialis posterior

653
00:51:43.680 --> 00:51:50.480
perinolius longus um sorry peronius longus um so

654
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:54.640
there's two some call this the fibularis so

655
00:51:54.640 --> 00:51:59.200
um these two structures are where most of the

656
00:51:59.200 --> 00:52:02.960
big key hip muscles actually attach to the foot

657
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:08.640
so um it's not so much about getting the pressure in the heel it's that

658
00:52:08.640 --> 00:52:12.800
there's this triangle between the this point here

659
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:17.920
the outside edge of the cuboid here and then the inside of the calcaneus

660
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:22.480
that um this performs this triangle and this arch

661
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:26.480
that's really important for creating tension for the joint or for the

662
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:26.960
structures

663
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:32.400
up above so when you get into the the right foot

664
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:36.000
it's not so much that it gets into the right foot as far as

665
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.840
the weight shifting over there it's more about creating tension in that

666
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:45.040
um part of the foot or it's about creating tension through

667
00:52:45.040 --> 00:52:48.400
the bottom of the foot so you create the tension underneath the

668
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:52.240
the big toe so then your glute can

669
00:52:52.240 --> 00:52:57.200
activate with maximum tension um you don't want to have slack when you're

670
00:52:57.200 --> 00:53:03.360
trying to activate a muscle forcefully um and that'll relate to so can you

671
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:06.960
explain in prior webinar that the backswing starts with a push of the left

672
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:10.880
big toe what part of the right foot accepts that

673
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:17.520
the the arch essentially accepts it underneath the big toe um so that then

674
00:53:17.520 --> 00:53:20.480
it's being accepted all the way up the chain

675
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:27.360
into the hip um because all the key uh lateral rotators or external rotators

676
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:31.520
are getting loaded there in the backswing so basically

677
00:53:31.520 --> 00:53:38.560
if i'm rotating in this way if um like i could be i'll see if i can angle this

678
00:53:38.560 --> 00:53:45.600
differently okay so now if i load into this right leg

679
00:53:45.600 --> 00:53:48.880
i'm basically internally rotating so i'm stretching my

680
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:53.200
external rotators so then they can go like that which

681
00:53:53.200 --> 00:53:59.120
would basically be doing that motion now in order for me to do that motion

682
00:53:59.120 --> 00:54:02.960
i need to have the connection between my hip and the foot

683
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:06.640
oh i need this i think of it almost like a string

684
00:54:06.640 --> 00:54:10.960
of christmas lights i want all those lights connected so that there's

685
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:16.560
um like a maximum but taught tension all the way around i don't want just

686
00:54:16.560 --> 00:54:22.160
part of that chain to be bright i want it equally bright the whole way across

687
00:54:22.160 --> 00:54:29.280
so i could be in my heel and load into my quad or

688
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:34.400
i could be on the um the inside of the foot the place where

689
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:38.480
most will talk about is kind of getting the pressure just underneath the inside

690
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:42.240
there where those two attachment sites were for those two key muscles

691
00:54:42.240 --> 00:54:46.480
so if the pressure is more through there i'm

692
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:50.160
feeling it now all the way up into my hip but the interesting is even though my

693
00:54:50.160 --> 00:54:54.000
pressure is on the inside of the foot i'm feeling the tension more towards the

694
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:57.440
lateral side because that's where my glutes are

695
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:01.360
so some people may feel more the pressure being on the inside some people

696
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:06.880
may feel more the tension which would be more towards the lateral side

697
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:13.200
so what part of the foot accepts it the whole foot pressure on the inside

698
00:55:13.200 --> 00:55:16.480
tension through that triangle and that triangle

699
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:23.440
could you could feel where it's creating the tension at any point along it

700
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:27.760
last question what causes the head to go down and out towards the

701
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:32.320
target on the backswing i'd say more common than not um

702
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:40.240
the the down motion is loading the up motion um so it's typically i find it

703
00:55:40.240 --> 00:55:46.800
engulfers who tend to rotate like create fake rotation with more of a side bend

704
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:53.600
and not enough of an actual rib cage rotation so they get more of kind of

705
00:55:53.600 --> 00:55:58.080
leaning forward into the the toes to load the quad

706
00:55:58.080 --> 00:56:02.880
um because if we look at those slings rotating the ribs and loading the hip

707
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:07.280
rotationally kind of match up so if i'm going to avoid one it typically makes

708
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:12.560
sense to avoid both of them so believe the golfers you're talking about is

709
00:56:12.560 --> 00:56:16.960
if you're looking from a down the line to kind of go down like this

710
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:22.960
that's typically loading into the outside quad and that's loading into the

711
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.680
back so that then i can kind of spring up and go into

712
00:56:27.680 --> 00:56:33.520
powerful early extension or powerful leg thrusting

713
00:56:33.520 --> 00:56:36.720
during the downswing that's where i typically see it

714
00:56:36.720 --> 00:56:41.600
so then doing some more rotational drills at the hip and the core

715
00:56:41.600 --> 00:56:46.160
typically help balance that out

716
00:56:46.160 --> 00:56:54.800
okay now i had a couple questions on 4d i hadn't actually seen these graphs

717
00:56:54.800 --> 00:57:01.120
before i'm going to investigate it and we'll see if i can

718
00:57:01.120 --> 00:57:04.640
i'll get get back as soon as i can figure these out

719
00:57:04.640 --> 00:57:09.520
uh but apparently there are some quan 3d graphs which is pretty cool

720
00:57:09.520 --> 00:57:13.680
um and i just wanted to bring them up i don't have an answer

721
00:57:13.680 --> 00:57:17.200
uh as to what we're actually looking at

722
00:57:17.200 --> 00:57:21.280
um because some of the lines i kind of thought but the

723
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:24.960
the numbers don't totally make sense with what i would expect to see

724
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:30.000
uh but the last one of looking at the functional swing plane

725
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:34.080
uh this one does make sense so the functional swing plane is

726
00:57:34.080 --> 00:57:38.400
the the plane that the clubhead takes from roughly waist height to roughly

727
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:42.000
waist height down at the bottom all swings are planar

728
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:46.640
um you can think of this as more showing like the

729
00:57:46.640 --> 00:57:52.320
the horizontal swing plane of the golf swing combined with the vertical swing

730
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:58.240
plane of the golf golf swing uh so the question um

731
00:57:58.240 --> 00:58:02.880
when i've talked to people who you know worked with

732
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:08.880
uh quan on these different concepts um the the key

733
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:12.800
is knowing it in relationship to the target

734
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:17.200
so that's the one thing i would see as a challenge here

735
00:58:17.200 --> 00:58:21.520
is from a practical standpoint of how do i apply it which is what the

736
00:58:21.520 --> 00:58:27.120
um the question is um you would really want to understand the target

737
00:58:27.120 --> 00:58:32.640
on the other side you could use it to show the plane shift

738
00:58:32.640 --> 00:58:36.080
which is what it shows here which is actually pretty cool so

739
00:58:36.080 --> 00:58:41.280
the blue line is the backswing trace the red line is the downswing trace

740
00:58:41.280 --> 00:58:48.080
and then the green line is the mid mid backswing to mid follow through the

741
00:58:48.080 --> 00:58:52.960
actual functional swing plane projected white seems to be the deviation from

742
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:53.040
the

743
00:58:53.040 --> 00:58:57.680
backswing to follow through uh to the functional swing plane

744
00:58:57.680 --> 00:59:04.080
so basically letting us visualize the shallowing um i do have 4d on my

745
00:59:04.080 --> 00:59:08.800
laptop but i haven't played around with it enough um but this could be a fun

746
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:12.960
graphic for being able to see uh some of the shallowing movements or

747
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:17.600
plane shift um but if i was looking at the shallowing movements i would

748
00:59:17.600 --> 00:59:24.000
probably actually look more at the the movements of the left arm um assuming

749
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:26.320
they're pretty accurate on this thing which i know

750
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:31.200
johnson claire says they are so i need to investigate it

751
00:59:31.200 --> 00:59:35.920
okay then we had a couple other questions uh before we look at some

752
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:40.400
swings um if you had a total beginner with no sports

753
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:44.080
background as for a lesson other than setup and grip

754
00:59:44.080 --> 00:59:48.400
would you start with rotation exercises or mini swings or neither and why

755
00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:54.000
um with a total beginner i almost always start with the big picture

756
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:58.880
so i will start with we are trying to like what is the club

757
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:02.160
what are we trying to do with the club how are we going you know should the

758
01:00:02.160 --> 01:00:02.480
club

759
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:04.720
hit the ground where should it hit the ground

760
01:00:04.720 --> 01:00:09.200
um what's the path of the club gonna look like what's the club face gonna look

761
01:00:09.200 --> 01:00:13.520
like i i have um on my computer at my office i've got a

762
01:00:13.520 --> 01:00:16.880
little 10-minute presentation where i just go through

763
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:20.720
those different components it's most of them are screenshots taken out of the

764
01:00:20.720 --> 01:00:23.680
book um so that's why i started with the first

765
01:00:23.680 --> 01:00:27.840
section as far as understanding okay this is the basics

766
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:31.760
this is what the swing is gonna look like then after that i'll usually do

767
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:35.680
something relating to solid contact because i want that first so

768
01:00:35.680 --> 01:00:39.760
learning that in order to control where the club hits the ground i need to

769
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:42.720
control where my upper body is and i need to control

770
01:00:42.720 --> 01:00:46.080
um how straight my arms are and at what time

771
01:00:46.080 --> 01:00:52.720
then if we needed to if we would address club facing or direction but that's

772
01:00:52.720 --> 01:00:56.400
usually what i start with in the first swing is just getting them to read

773
01:00:56.400 --> 01:01:01.440
feedback of ground contact um and what it takes to have solid

774
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:06.560
solid striking then from an exercise perspective or

775
01:01:06.560 --> 01:01:10.720
drill perspective yes i'll do centered pivot things kind of getting the big

776
01:01:10.720 --> 01:01:14.000
shape of learning how to rotate the body while the arms stay

777
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:18.720
roughly in front of the body um and the center of the body stays in

778
01:01:18.720 --> 01:01:24.720
kind of a smallish hub uh how would you approach

779
01:01:24.720 --> 01:01:35.600
lessons for seven-year-olds um so to be fair i don't um i typically work

780
01:01:35.600 --> 01:01:40.960
with middle school and above i don't do a lot of the junior classes we have

781
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:45.040
someone at our club who has more of a specialty so i

782
01:01:45.040 --> 01:01:49.840
tend to push them off to them i wouldn't be uncomfortable if i were

783
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:56.160
tended to do beginner golfers i would break down the skills into um

784
01:01:56.160 --> 01:02:01.680
fun games and change topics at least every 10 minutes

785
01:02:01.680 --> 01:02:06.880
um so even with some of my like the youngest kid i have is nine but he's

786
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:11.840
pretty mature for a nine-year-old um and in a one-hour lesson

787
01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:16.400
we will usually do five different skills so whether that's

788
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:23.680
driver on trackman irons off grass uh pitching over the bunker or

789
01:02:23.680 --> 01:02:27.120
you know we'll have little contests and and things like that but

790
01:02:27.120 --> 01:02:31.040
the most important thing is i wouldn't go into too much depth i would go for

791
01:02:31.040 --> 01:02:34.400
more breadth and make sure to hit on each individual

792
01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:37.600
topic um so that they're kind of constantly

793
01:02:37.600 --> 01:02:42.400
moving and being challenged uh the last thing i would do is just a

794
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:46.560
one-hour full swing lesson with seven or seven-year-old

795
01:02:46.560 --> 01:02:50.080
uh okay so we've got a couple swings too

796
01:02:50.080 --> 01:02:54.320
submitted um so we'll look at these here in a second

797
01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:57.920
i have a swing that could look at the webinar if you like i thought the swing

798
01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:02.800
seems unusual as is reverse lower body twist um

799
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:06.880
so much the trail foot comes way off the ground towards the finish

800
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:10.560
uh by the way this guy played baseball before

801
01:03:10.560 --> 01:03:15.200
that's a huge ding ding ding we got to look out for a few things

802
01:03:15.200 --> 01:03:19.120
uh there seem to be a lot of good moves here but how would i tackle this one

803
01:03:19.120 --> 01:03:22.800
okay so let me switch over

804
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:30.080
oh that's the second one okay so this is the

805
01:03:30.080 --> 01:03:36.080
former baseball player let's zoom in a little bit

806
01:03:37.040 --> 01:03:40.400
maybe that's too much okay

807
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:50.400
so baseball players uh typically present with some common

808
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:54.960
swing issues so let's see what's going on

809
01:03:54.960 --> 01:04:03.520
so in transition you can see um there's a fair amount of rotary

810
01:04:03.520 --> 01:04:08.080
going on but not a whole lot of um lateral

811
01:04:08.080 --> 01:04:14.640
he's not really uh loading into or he's not really getting um

812
01:04:14.640 --> 01:04:17.680
he's not doing the Jackson 5 he's not really getting into

813
01:04:17.680 --> 01:04:22.960
a good delivery angle here for golf um and you'll see

814
01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:27.360
he was talking about that funky right foot move

815
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:32.640
um that's a not an uncommon but uh i'd say

816
01:04:32.640 --> 01:04:35.680
somewhat common movement for baseball players

817
01:04:35.680 --> 01:04:42.400
um so that's a little to be expected

818
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:46.400
let's look at the down the line this is where from the face on view i'm

819
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:50.080
like i froze it at that screen because you can see where the club face is

820
01:04:50.080 --> 01:04:53.680
pointing given where his grip is and that screams

821
01:04:53.680 --> 01:04:57.760
baseball and danger to me um so now there's an iron uh we'll see

822
01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:03.840
if it's any better um so at the top of the swing

823
01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:08.800
it's a little bit baseball-ish it's a little bit across so that's basically

824
01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:12.160
the weight of the club more in the middle of the arms kind of like a

825
01:05:12.160 --> 01:05:16.800
baseball bat as opposed to outside of the arms more like a golf club

826
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:21.680
um so as he comes down that's going to cause him to get a little bit steep and

827
01:05:21.680 --> 01:05:24.960
then here's where most baseball players

828
01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:29.920
struggle uh for a while which is looking at the club face control

829
01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:33.920
so we've got the club face kind of at an angle there

830
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:39.520
yep and then you can see the club face did not really change

831
01:05:39.520 --> 01:05:45.120
wow all the way down until let's say right around there

832
01:05:45.120 --> 01:05:50.720
okay so right around there um which would be

833
01:05:50.720 --> 01:05:54.800
probably this frame here so what we're seeing is

834
01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:59.680
all through here there's zero club face rotation

835
01:05:59.680 --> 01:06:03.520
and then right through there when he starts to straighten the arm

836
01:06:03.520 --> 01:06:06.080
is when we start to see the club face rotating

837
01:06:06.080 --> 01:06:11.120
so um a lot of what he's doing with his body

838
01:06:11.120 --> 01:06:19.520
supports speed um in more of a baseball motion

839
01:06:19.520 --> 01:06:27.040
he's uh essentially not uh work he's not really factoring in the club face

840
01:06:27.040 --> 01:06:30.960
in any shape or form which is typical for baseball players

841
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:34.400
so what you'll typically see with baseballers

842
01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:42.400
is very little face rotation um and then snapping the the club face

843
01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:47.040
closed down at the end and you'll typically see more of a

844
01:06:47.040 --> 01:06:52.800
um a steep vertical like a over radial deviation

845
01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:56.720
he's not too bad as far as the over radial deviation

846
01:06:56.720 --> 01:07:00.960
but he definitely has the issue of getting the club face to close

847
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:07.360
um and he definitely has the issue of more of a rotary pivot um and not having

848
01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:14.240
enough of the uh axis tilt um now the fact that he's making

849
01:07:14.240 --> 01:07:20.320
contact on the hosel is also an indication that he has very little um

850
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:24.640
club face control uh and basically what i mean by that

851
01:07:24.640 --> 01:07:30.560
baseball players are used to swinging the the object that they're holding

852
01:07:30.560 --> 01:07:35.040
right so basically all the weight of a baseball bat goes right through where

853
01:07:35.040 --> 01:07:38.160
my hands are holding but with a golf club it's up here

854
01:07:38.160 --> 01:07:42.800
so imagine if you had imagined if i turned it around and i had a baseball bat

855
01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:47.600
but take my sticky note imagine the baseball hat

856
01:07:47.600 --> 01:07:51.120
the baseball bat was not the striking surface imagine i had

857
01:07:51.120 --> 01:07:57.920
a something floating like this that i had to strike the golf ball or the

858
01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:01.600
the bat with and imagine that it had a fair amount of weight to it

859
01:08:01.600 --> 01:08:06.080
so what most baseball players would do is they would do it like this

860
01:08:06.080 --> 01:08:10.080
um if this if this restraint didn't exist

861
01:08:10.080 --> 01:08:12.800
if they could hit it with any part of the bat then

862
01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:16.320
essentially what they would do is they would keep this extra weight

863
01:08:16.320 --> 01:08:20.640
dead in line with the axis that the bat is swinging around

864
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:25.440
but because we want to make contact with it up above here

865
01:08:25.440 --> 01:08:29.760
now you they'll feel that the weight is totally off in their hands

866
01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:35.600
and they'll feel that it's closing or that it's changing much quicker so it

867
01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:39.040
doesn't feel as powerful um and if the timing feels very

868
01:08:39.040 --> 01:08:43.280
off for baseball players uh but one common reason that some golfers

869
01:08:43.280 --> 01:08:46.560
shank is that they're feeling more the weight of

870
01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:50.880
the shaft and the hosel not really feeling the weight of the club head

871
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:54.800
um and one common issue for baseball players

872
01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:58.240
when the club face is that open and not changing

873
01:08:58.240 --> 01:09:02.000
it's essentially like the face is in line with the

874
01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:06.000
direction it's moving the face is basically in line with the shaft

875
01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:10.560
and so you can swing it faster that way but it's really hard to control the

876
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:14.240
face down at the bottom and that's more of uh

877
01:09:14.240 --> 01:09:17.360
what you know baseball players don't have to worry about face it's all about

878
01:09:17.360 --> 01:09:20.880
speed so i would be doing a ton what i do with

879
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:24.560
most baseball players is a lot of face control early on

880
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:28.560
to make it easier to then change the pivot later

881
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:38.880
okay we've got a second video to take a look at

882
01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:43.520
and this um i'll give you the description

883
01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:48.160
after we take a look at it so

884
01:09:48.160 --> 01:09:54.800
okay so we've got it in full speed over here

885
01:09:54.800 --> 01:10:03.040
and i'm just going to let you observe i'll play it through a few times

886
01:10:03.040 --> 01:10:05.920
pretty good looking move

887
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:11.760
not too bad pretty good looking divot pattern down there at the bottom

888
01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:20.880
okay this one's more of a slow motion

889
01:10:37.440 --> 01:10:40.570
kind of jumps around a little bit so much uh some good things from the down the

890
01:10:40.570 --> 01:10:41.920
line

891
01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:50.720
okay let me jump back to the powerpoint real quick for the description

892
01:10:50.720 --> 01:10:57.600
okay so the description on that i'm sending a couple swings from a student

893
01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:01.280
for the webinar student is a plus two or plus three currently so

894
01:11:01.280 --> 01:11:04.800
we we knew it was a pretty good swing been working on the motorcycle and

895
01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:09.520
release drills lately during tournaments he's been hitting the ball on the heel

896
01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:16.320
and hitting weak right shots okay so good player plus two plus three

897
01:11:16.320 --> 01:11:20.960
so the swing is definitely not dysfunctional um what would contribute

898
01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:27.040
to striking it on the heel and striking it right that's the the mystery to try

899
01:11:27.040 --> 01:11:27.520
to solve

900
01:11:29.280 --> 01:11:35.360
okay so if we go up on the face on view one thing that it looked like to my eye

901
01:11:35.360 --> 01:11:41.200
was it looked like there was a up so thank you

902
01:11:41.200 --> 01:11:52.000
okay so one of the things it looked like to my eye was that there was a fair

903
01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:52.800
amount of

904
01:11:53.440 --> 01:11:59.760
upper body lunge now i would definitely investigate that the right contact

905
01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:04.880
so typically under pressure the or under stress under adrenaline the body

906
01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:09.840
movements get amplified and the arm movements get neutralized or quieted down

907
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:15.120
so that's the problem with having too many timing elements is typically under

908
01:12:15.120 --> 01:12:16.000
pressure

909
01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:22.470
one of those gets exaggerated or slowed down so i'd be curious to see what

910
01:12:22.470 --> 01:12:23.200
happens

911
01:12:23.200 --> 01:12:29.200
if if the path changes as a result of his upper body staying a little bit more

912
01:12:29.200 --> 01:12:29.680
behind

913
01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:35.840
but it does look like part of how he's controlling low point is more with that

914
01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:38.240
upper body lunge

915
01:12:38.240 --> 01:12:46.240
so we could either play with the ball position compared to the stance if you

916
01:12:46.240 --> 01:12:47.280
like where he gets

917
01:12:48.400 --> 01:12:56.320
here or we could play with the upper body awareness ideally i'd say you'd

918
01:12:56.320 --> 01:13:01.760
want to probably do a little bit of both maybe not quite as much of a lunge

919
01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:08.560
in transition since that could cause heel and that could cause the right shot

920
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:16.420
and it would be a good complement to what you're already working on with the

921
01:13:16.420 --> 01:13:17.200
motorcycle so

922
01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:22.960
the motorcycle will take this movement here and create shaft lean

923
01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:31.920
so the that's usually a good complement or a lot of golfers who need it for

924
01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:32.960
more low point control

925
01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:40.320
then benefit really well from learning to stay a little bit more behind so the

926
01:13:40.320 --> 01:13:41.200
arms in front is

927
01:13:41.200 --> 01:13:44.810
more of the wipe and that creates a little bit more of the steepness and then

928
01:13:44.810 --> 01:13:46.160
the head behind

929
01:13:46.160 --> 01:13:51.120
creates a little bit more of a shallowness because i think

930
01:13:51.120 --> 01:13:59.920
that if you could imagine if the body was even just a little bit more forward

931
01:13:59.920 --> 01:14:05.840
that would potentially cause a little bit of the the heel strike

932
01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:17.000
that wouldn't necessarily and just because of wear um so uh the one question i

933
01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:18.480
'd have would be of the

934
01:14:18.480 --> 01:14:27.940
with the motorcycle components um it looks like you may want to work on it's

935
01:14:27.940 --> 01:14:28.800
actually pretty good

936
01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:32.750
i like where he gets to in his follow through what i was going to say is it

937
01:14:32.750 --> 01:14:33.920
looks like coming into the

938
01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:41.120
ball um that it's a little under rotated if he's going to have his hands ahead

939
01:14:41.120 --> 01:14:43.840
um so potentially

940
01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:47.620
working a little bit more on the heel toe awareness or a little bit more on the

941
01:14:47.620 --> 01:14:48.240
supination

942
01:14:48.240 --> 01:14:53.450
pattern of not letting the club face be that open coming into it but i'll be

943
01:14:53.450 --> 01:14:54.720
curious to see what

944
01:14:54.720 --> 01:15:01.220
happens if the upper body is a little bit more behind um typically that the

945
01:15:01.220 --> 01:15:03.600
upper body behind

946
01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:11.680
can help um with uh delivering the the low point in front and by doing so he

947
01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:12.960
may automatically

948
01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:17.970
increase the amount of motorcycle um so i'd be curious to say that my first

949
01:15:17.970 --> 01:15:18.960
test i would look at

950
01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:22.890
the upper body awareness connected to the ball position and see how well he can

951
01:15:22.890 --> 01:15:24.240
move around the

952
01:15:24.240 --> 01:15:31.200
bottom of the swing um just because i think that he's uh i think he's gonna hat

953
01:15:31.200 --> 01:15:32.160
like he's gonna struggle

954
01:15:32.160 --> 01:15:37.280
getting that low point forward without lunging at first and that's the puzzle

955
01:15:37.280 --> 01:15:38.000
that will help him

956
01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:44.640
solve the heel strike um and i believe that by itself will help with the right

957
01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:46.240
and set you up for

958
01:15:46.240 --> 01:15:50.320
continuing to work on the motorcycle uh through more of that supination pattern

959
01:15:50.320 --> 01:15:51.040
late