Lead Shoulder Dynamics, Foot Mechanics, and Transition Sequencing

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Our main topics today, we're going to look at the 3D of the left shoulder in

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transition

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or the lead arm, really, because we're going to include the forearm a little

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bit.

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Then we're going to look at, for anatomy, we're going to look at the ankle and

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the foot.

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We had a question about kind of coupled movements, because we talked about the

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wrist having

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some common patterns, so we're going to talk about the ankle and the foot.

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Then the coaches' questions and swing discussions, so without further, let me

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get the mouse going

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on the PowerPoint.

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Now I tried to, the videos didn't look that great, so I'll pop back and forth,

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what I

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mean by that is, the recordings on the 3D, there's some subtleties in these

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graphs, so

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I'm going to demonstrate stuff, but it would be really difficult to see unless

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you're

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used to looking at these particular patterns.

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So we've got five graphs on screen that we're going to be looking at a few pros

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and amateurs.

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The two main ones that you might not be used to seeing are these top two.

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Over here on the left is called lead shoulder angle.

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Lead shoulder angle is basically measuring the angle of my shoulder across my

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chest.

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So when the graph goes down, this angle is getting more across my chest, and

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when the

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graph goes up, this angle is coming more off my chest.

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The one just to the right of it is lead shoulder lift.

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So this is now measuring the angle of my arm up and down compared to my chest.

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So if my chest is angled this way, it's basically measuring that.

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So then the ones that, on the bottom you're probably used to seeing.

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This one here is the kinematic sequence, but I've removed the pelvis and the

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club.

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So it's just looking at the link between the upper body and the left shoulder,

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and we'll

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see that if you don't have access to these two graphs, this is a good

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compromise for

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looking at these two patterns.

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And then we have the trail wrist and the lead wrist, just in case you want to

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compare what

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they're doing wrist wise with what's happening shoulder wise.

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So this is a somewhat typical pattern when we look at these top two graphs.

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The thing that you'll see is if you are leading with your body and there's some

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relaxation

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or softness in your shoulder or there's some lag in your shoulder, that lag can

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come from loading across your body or from loading more vertically.

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And so you'll see that this golfer, as he gets to the top of the swing, this is

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when

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the club has changed directions.

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So even though the club has changed directions, you'll see that the left arm is

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still going

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up slightly compared to the thorax.

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So what that ends up looking like, if I back this up enough, hopefully you can

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still hear

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me good.

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So if I've got this lead arm here, actually, we'll do it from the face on.

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So if I've got this lead arm here, if I go with my lower body and my chest

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starts to

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lower, you'll see that this is effectively floating and going up.

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And that's what that graph is showing right there.

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That as my chest is lowering, if the upper arm is staying up, I'm increasing

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the stretch

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vertically in my left shoulder.

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We'll see some amateurs who kind of do the opposite there.

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Now if you're looking at the kinematic sequence, which is over here on the left

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, so this graph

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here, then what you'll see is the more that this lead shoulder gets pinned

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across the

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chest, the more that the thorax will lead the lead arm, or the more that the

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red line,

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in this case, will be above the green line.

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So you can see these two are pretty flat here, or this one is pretty flat in

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transition.

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And so as a result, you'll see that the red and the green kind of go at a

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similar slope.

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So now we'll go through a handful of pros, and then a handful of amateurs, and

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then we'll

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come back and kind of revisit some of these.

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So now here's another golfer, and this is what I tend to see in the real, the

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golfers

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who look like they have a very body powered swing.

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If you start over here on the right, you'll see from the top of the swing,

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there's a fair

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amount of lift during that early transition.

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Again, that's showing kind of a leg, or stretching, or suppleness, or

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relaxation in the shoulder,

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and the ribcage is basically stretching those shoulder blade muscles by using

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proper or

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better sequencing.

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So you can see down in the kinematic sequence, the red line is changing

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direction first.

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It's a little tough to see just because of how narrow I have this graph, but

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you can

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see that there's a little more space between the red and the green line.

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They do pair up pretty quickly, so the space would be right there, and then

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they pair up

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when that stretch is pretty much staying the same.

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So oftentimes, if you're having golfers trying to work on leg and sequencing,

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looking at

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this lead shoulder and how much it's working across the chest versus getting

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pulled off

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the body is a good way to communicate that with your students.

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Again, we're going to come back to these second time, but first, we're just

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going to go through

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once so that you've got a little bit more of a global perspective, or look at

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it.

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Okay, so here you'll see if we go to the lift, this is Grant Weight, he has a

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little bit

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more shoulder pull in his transition pattern, at least vertically, but rotation

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ally, you

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can see he has a fair amount of lag.

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So if you look at him on 2D, you'll tend to see that shoulder get more pinned

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across his

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shoulder or across his chest, that'll show up here as the red line being above

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the green

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line for a longer period of time.

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Now his lift is not quite as dramatic, he doesn't kind of really get down into

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his posture,

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he stays a little bit taller because of that shoulder pulling just a bit, but

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he does have

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very good lead or lag over here on the left.

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Okay, so pattern number four, this is Bernie Els, so you can compare these

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against some

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YouTube videos or your swing database.

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Again very flat, his peak is just a bit after transition, and he doesn't have a

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whole lot

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of lead shoulder load, he gets more of his power from loading the wrist, more

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of his

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power from loading the lower body, he doesn't quite get as much of that core or

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shoulder

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load, so again you'll see the red line and green line pretty much matched on

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top of each

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other during this flat spot there.

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We'll see one amateur who does that, but you'll see most amateurs, it'll have

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more of a casting

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pattern.

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Okay, so then over here on the, on the last one, this is Davis Love, but after

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he had

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his knee injury, so then we've got a little bit of a drop down here before it

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starts to

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kind of come up right there, so it's a very subtle little lift pattern, he kind

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of pulls

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a tiny bit with his arm and then goes with his body.

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So rotationally wise, you'll see there's kind of that little pull where the

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green is above,

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and then they kind of match up when it hits this plateau right about here.

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Again, this, I don't have from when he was kind of in his prime versus peak,

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but this

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was a little bit post his ACL injury.

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Okay, so now let's go through, and I just want you to look at a couple things,

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so you're

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going to look at the amount of plateau on at change direction, and then you're

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to look at the second little plateau more right around impact.

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So little plateau at transition, little plateau at impact, more stretching it,

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transition,

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little plateau at impact, little plateau at transition, you start to see this

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pattern.

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The plateau is more of the lift, and then the second plateau is more from kind

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of the good

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lead arm whip through impact, or kind of a lifting of that shoulder, we'll talk

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that here in a second.

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Okay, so here is, we'll go through a couple amateurs.

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Now this amateurs actually, he was a college player, so he was pretty good, and

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I wanted

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you to see even some pretty good golfers, even some tour pros, I mean Charles

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Howell has a

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little bit of this pattern, not quite as dramatic, but you'll see it start to

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pull down before

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the club changes direction, and then he's got a fairly solid release, so it

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kind of matches

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up a little bit better there.

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But this is more of a subtle difference between kind of leading with your core

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and leading

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more with your shoulder.

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This is a not so subtle difference, so two things happen in this golfer, you'll

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see that

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basically the stretch is maintained the entire downswing, and then remember

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that second plateau,

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this golfer would look like he has a chicken wing and kind of bending arm on

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the way through.

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So it's not terrible in transition, but the release is very much, there's a

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straight

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pulling down, here I'll show you what that looks like a little bit better.

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Okay, so over on the right where you see the lead shoulder lift for this, when

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it going down, in order to go into the past negative 90, it's going to go past

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the body.

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So when this golfer is getting to negative 180 degrees, he's basically

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finishing with

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his arm in kind of that position, it would be way behind his body kind of more

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like this.

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So this would be negative 90, this would be zero.

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So when you're seeing most of them kind of going from about 40, somewhere in

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that zone

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through impact, when you see this golfer rapidly pulling that line down, that's

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going to look

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like the shoulder is just swinging past the body, just like so.

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And it's very hard to do that and keep this lead angle across my body, right?

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So it's hard to keep this pinned and pull it across, that's why you see on both

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of these

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graphs, pretty much a single shoulder action there, and a single shoulder

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action there.

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And it's a little odd that you'd see his torso peak while doing that movement,

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he probably

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has more of a forward lunge, but I didn't take a look at that movement.

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Okay, so this is that same big pull pattern, big pull pattern, not as good in

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transition.

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You can see that this golfer is starting to pull well before the club changes

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direction.

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So this would typically be more of your higher handicap slicer, swinging mostly

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with the

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shoulders and using the body to support, as opposed to swinging more with the

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core and

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creating some lag.

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Now, he does get a little bit of rotational lag, so it's probably not a massive

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lunge,

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he's probably a little bit more of a spin, spin and chop style slicer, but this

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is through

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impact completely lacking that second plateau, which is more of a common kind

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of good release

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trait, especially with the driver.

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Now this is a golfer who is a let's say about a 10 handicap or so, and you'll

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see not too

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bad as far as these patterns go.

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So this golfer has more contact problems, but not so much happening from the

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shoulders.

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It's more what's going on with this trail wrist, and if we look for those two

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plateaus, just

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to kind of reinforce the theme of today's shoulder lag session, you'll see very

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good

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as far as the shoulder load.

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So on almost too long into the downswing, there's no real release of it, so it

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doesn't

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really come back up too much, but then a good plateau on the way through.

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And same thing here over on the left, pretty good as far as peaking well after

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the top

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of the downswing, so leading with the body.

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And then a decent kind of lift or plateau for driver on the way through.

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This golfer has a little bit more early extension pattern coupled with the

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early release of

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that right wrist, so he doesn't have a whole lot of shaft lean, even though he

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has pretty

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good body sequencing, and that results in his hook pattern, especially under

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pressure.

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So now, for most of these, this was probably the first time seeing those graphs

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, so I'm

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just going to go through again really quickly so that you can kind of see the

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general pattern.

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So you can see kind of the plateau at the top and then the plateau at impact,

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plateau

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at the top, plateau at impact, two more pros, good.

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And now if you look at the amateurs, you'll see less of the, well, this was the

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in between,

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so kind of the, you know, plus handicapped college player, little, little goofy

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movement

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in his left shoulder through here, but all in all pretty solid pattern.

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This is more of a high handicap where you'll see no real dip or plateau, so

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very little,

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he's not too bad in transition, this one's much more of a release problem.

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This would be more your classic high handicapped slicer, which is pull early

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from the top and

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then pull even harder through impact.

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Here's a little better through impact, but still a bit of a, or more of a body

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problem,

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so the shoulder might not necessarily be the biggest problem for this hooker,

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but I wanted

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to put a fair, you know, some different patterns up there so that you can see

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and compare.

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So some of you may be kind of thinking through how does the, if the lead

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shoulder stays up

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and back.

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So the, let's think about how this relates to shallowness and path of a club in

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transition.

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So if during that first movement, the shoulder stays up, that's going to swing

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things on

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more of a horizontal pattern, so that's a big shallow movement.

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But if this arm comes across like so, that narrows the distance, it does create

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a little

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bit more depth, but by narrowing the distance I would consider that more of a

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steepening

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pattern.

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I'd make the argument both ways, but I would consider that a little bit more of

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a steep.

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I'm inciting at the same time that the lower body is leading that pull, just

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like this.

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And it's mostly because of the weight of the club being behind the axis that it

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's rotating

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on and having enough softness to allow for it to, to rotate down.

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I don't think it's a very active forearm rotation.

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I think it's much more of a, in fact, I think they're actually trying to start

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this motion

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pretty early, but because of the weight of the club and the softness in the arm

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, they're

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allowing it to drop as that arm is staying up.

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So that's where I talk a lot about using kind of relaxation and softness in the

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arms in

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order to get the shallowing.

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It's from these couple shoulder graphs and the lead wrist graph where I kind of

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came

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to that conclusion.

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So we will, I'll check, I'll scan the, the chats.

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I know that this might be a little different graph and hopefully it's, it's

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relatively

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simple.

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If you, if you have a K vest or something like that, you can look at the link

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between the

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thorax and the lead arm.

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And if the lead arm is above the, the thorax, then you know you're either

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losing the lead

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shoulder angle, which is more, most likely, or you might have to discuss more

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of the lift.

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Like we'll do, I'll show you in one of the case studies later today.

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Whoops, changing that one.

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Okay.

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So then next, we're going to talk about the foot and the ankle.

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Unless I see any questions pop up on those lead shoulder graphs.

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So the, the question was basically, are there coupled movements at the ankle,

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similar to

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the wrist?

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So the, the interesting thing, the ankle is quite simple.

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You can, you can see the, the bones, let me bring it up so you can see my

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cursor.

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Okay.

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So typically the ankle is this bone here and this bone here.

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So you got your, your tibia, your fibula and then your talus is the foot bone

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that kind

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of joins the two.

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And you can see the shape of them right here, bring it back, almost forms shape

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of a wrench.

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And so that wrench, it's kind of tighten that a little bit.

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So here's the, the talus in between the fibula and the tibia.

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And so it really only has a lot of movement this way.

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It doesn't have a lot of rotation this way.

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Most of the rotation happens more up at the knee, which we'll talk on another

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time and

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it doesn't have a whole lot of movement this way.

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Most of that happens below.

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So the ankle itself is a one degree of freedom, freedom, very simple joint.

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So the bones have a similar shape to the, the wrist except instead of with the

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foot, the,

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the bone is all the way in the middle of that with the wrist, it's kind of at

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the end.

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So then you have that second degree of freedom.

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And then you have the, the, the multiple degrees of freedom in the actual wrist

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bones.

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So the ankle itself is pretty simple, which means the foot is probably going to

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be much

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more complicated.

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That's where a lot of the complicated and coupled movements actually happen.

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The good news is they're going to be similar to what we're used to seeing with

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the wrist.

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So if we go back, here's that wrench analogy in case you forget and you can see

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this is

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how those two bones look a little bit more anatomically.

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The other one was kind of animated version and they lock onto the talus right

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there.

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So it just acts as a simple hinge, flexing your foot and extending your foot or

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plant

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our dorsiflexion.

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Now when we get to the foot, bi-mechanically, the foot is typically broken up

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into three

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feet.

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So you've got your hind foot, which is the talus on top and the calcaneus

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underneath.

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Then you've got your midfoot, which is the navicular, the cuboid and then your

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three

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cuneiforms.

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And then you have your four foot, which is more like your toes.

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So bi-mechanically, there's a fair amount of movement at this hind foot joint.

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We're going to talk about that primarily.

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There's some important movements at the midfoot, but the hind foot is probably

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more important

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for golf, but more relevant for looking at the coupled motions.

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And then the toes are really just kind of for gripping and changing, adapting

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to different

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surfaces so that you can have more surface area on gelations.

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But for golf, the bigger issue is here in the mid and the hind, and especially

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the hind

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foot, although I say that a lot of hind foot problems need to be corrected here

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in the

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midfoot, especially the navicular, which is this bone here connected to the cub

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oid.

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I'll try to simplify that a little bit better.

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Okay.

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So the main movements, we've got dorsiflexion, planar fraction, which is

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basically, if this

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is my foot, just doing this movement here, and then you've got your toe kind of

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flexion

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extension.

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So at the ankle, dorsiflexion, planar flexion are the big two movements.

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You'll probably hear eversion, inversion, pronation, supination, sometimes used

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interchangeably,

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but there are definitely some differences.

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So the hind foot, the calcaneus can evert and invert, which is basically like

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rolling in

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or rolling out.

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So if it rolls in so that the bottom of the sole is pointing outward, that's

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called eversion

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or a valgus calcaneus or abduction.

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If it rolls the opposite direction, if it rolls out, so like rolling to the

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outside of

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your heel, then you'll be able to see the inside of the foot pointing inward.

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That's inversion, that's how I remember it, and that would be more of called a

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varus calcaneus.

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So the big one for the calcaneus on its own is rotating more in this direction.

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When a golfer comes to you with kind of worn insoles where it's down like this,

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that's

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a big part of it, but it moves into this blended movement, which was the

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ultimate question,

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which is looking at supination versus pronation.

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So supination is a blend of inversion, plantar flexion, and adduction, so it

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kind of goes

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this way.

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Well, the cool thing there is that's pretty much the same thing that the wrist

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does, right?

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So planar flexion is the funky word for pointing your toes, inversion, rolling

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the sole in,

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and then adduction kind of rotating out like that.

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And then the more common one, the issue we're going to see a lot of is pron

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ation, which

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is eversion, dorsiflexion, or kind of pulling the toes up towards the knee, and

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then abduction

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or basically sliding inward just like that.

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So here's just another slide that kind of describes those common movements.

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So pronation is basically increasing the arch, supination is, sorry, decreasing

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the arch

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for pronation.

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So pronation is flatfoot.

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And then supination would be raising the arch or pointing your toes.

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So the easy way to kind of visualize it is this slide here.

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If you take nothing away from the foot mechanics, this would be the slide to

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kind of understand

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that the normal couple motions are pulling the foot up and out, the same thing

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as the

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wrist, or turning the foot down and in, the same thing as the wrist.

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Okay, so I wanted you to be able to see hopefully the funky shapes of the talus

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and the calcaneus.

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So this right here is the talus sitting on top of the calcaneus.

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It's almost like a saddle on top of a weird shaped rock.

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And so it's because of the weird shape that it kind of has almost like a gl

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iding rolling

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movement.

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So it has a fair amount of movement twisting this way.

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It has a fair amount of movement rotating this way.

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But it doesn't, it has a very small but important movement kind of rocking

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forward backward

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to help with dorsoplane or flexion.

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But the two main ones are kind of the rotation of the foot and the sliding of

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the foot.

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So rotating this way or pivoting that way, whichever way you want to kind of

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phrase it.

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So here's a good little example.

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It pivots this way, it's sometimes modeled in more of kind of a plateau or box

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shape,

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but it also pivots pretty well, you can't see my question.

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So it, it slots a great little diagram here where you can see the joints and

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this shows

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kind of those combination movements.

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The actual axis of the joint is like 45 degrees, it's not perfectly flat like

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the ankle.

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So you see the ankle here staying pretty level.

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That's pretty much close to the direction your foot or your knee is pointing.

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But the axis on the foot is on more of like a 45 degree angle.

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So the axis of the foot, let's see if we can do this.

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So I'll bring this front of back, test my hip extension.

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Okay, so the axis of the foot is kind of on a direction sticking up more like

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that.

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So it'll rotate this way or it'll rotate that way, this way, that way.

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So the red arrow that you're seeing is describing rotating around that axis.

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And again, it's a couple movement because it's physiological based on the joint

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.

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Now in normal walking pattern, most of the foot research you find if you look

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at some

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YouTube or read articles online is going to be related to gait.

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What should happen is you'll have this natural kind of rhythm where you'll

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strike more towards

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the lateral side of the heel or the calcaneus.

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And then it will follow the outside edge to the midfoot and then it will go to

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the inside

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edge.

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So it'll pronate through here and then push off of the big toe.

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Now the problem most of your golfers are going to present is over pronation so

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that instead

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of landing laterally and getting out here it more lands kind of mid or even on

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the inside

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and then stays there and it doesn't have anywhere to really move to because it

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's already on

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the inside of the foot.

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When it's in this pronated state, when this foot is rotated down like this, the

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foot is

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kind of locked.

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It's almost in a like imagine your foot in a ski boot instead of like a free

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moving foot.

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And so that's why oftentimes when you have that locked foot, you'll see the

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whole ankle

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and foot move as one unit again like a ski boot as opposed to moving with a

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little bit

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more freedom.

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The common symptoms you'll find with excess pronation are the eversion or

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pointing outward

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of the calcaneus so it kind of falls down.

506
00:29:16.700 --> 00:29:20.420
That causes an internal rotation of tibia.

507
00:29:20.420 --> 00:29:25.870
So some of your golfers who look like they have a hard time kind of getting

508
00:29:25.870 --> 00:29:26.740
lower body

509
00:29:26.740 --> 00:29:31.430
rotation, it could be a result of what's going on at the foot and the ankle

510
00:29:31.430 --> 00:29:32.100
which has

511
00:29:32.100 --> 00:29:37.980
taken away 20, 30 degrees of tibial rotation.

512
00:29:37.980 --> 00:29:41.080
They'll have more of a flattening in the arch or this middle of the foot will

513
00:29:41.080 --> 00:29:41.540
be going

514
00:29:41.540 --> 00:29:47.610
down which puts excess weight on this first joint or the first metatarsal which

515
00:29:47.610 --> 00:29:48.860
can cause

516
00:29:48.860 --> 00:29:52.300
bunions, plantar fasciitis, heel spurts.

517
00:29:52.300 --> 00:29:58.360
So this over pronation is a very common pattern that you'll see and that's one

518
00:29:58.360 --> 00:29:59.900
of the challenges

519
00:29:59.900 --> 00:30:06.500
when you're looking at a lot of the foot force plate studies is they don't

520
00:30:06.500 --> 00:30:07.820
qualify how that

521
00:30:07.820 --> 00:30:12.380
person's foot is functioning prior to looking at the golf swing.

522
00:30:12.380 --> 00:30:18.990
So one could argue that someone who has a over pronation pattern might have a

523
00:30:18.990 --> 00:30:20.020
different

524
00:30:20.020 --> 00:30:24.030
optimal way of producing force through the foot than someone who had more of a

525
00:30:24.030 --> 00:30:24.540
neutral

526
00:30:24.540 --> 00:30:32.370
foot but that's not really where a lot of the force plate research in golf has

527
00:30:32.370 --> 00:30:32.940
gone

528
00:30:32.940 --> 00:30:33.940
yet.

529
00:30:33.940 --> 00:30:40.810
Possibly when we get insole measurements people might start looking at that but

530
00:30:40.810 --> 00:30:41.300
at least

531
00:30:41.300 --> 00:30:48.390
as of right now you'd have to get them out of their shoes so occasionally when

532
00:30:48.390 --> 00:30:49.060
I'm not

533
00:30:49.060 --> 00:30:52.820
quite sure how that right foot is moving and working I'll have them take off

534
00:30:52.820 --> 00:30:53.660
their shoes

535
00:30:53.660 --> 00:30:58.430
and make a swing not necessarily hitting a golf ball just so I can see what's

536
00:30:58.430 --> 00:30:59.220
happening

537
00:30:59.220 --> 00:31:02.500
there at the ankle.

538
00:31:02.500 --> 00:31:10.100
So hopefully that answers one of the questions about the couple movements.

539
00:31:10.100 --> 00:31:17.260
If you have any questions I'll scan over and check the chat box.

540
00:31:17.260 --> 00:31:20.540
Nothing related to the foot function.

541
00:31:20.540 --> 00:31:26.110
Good, I know the anatomy can be challenging at first but when you get into

542
00:31:26.110 --> 00:31:27.300
higher levels

543
00:31:27.300 --> 00:31:35.180
of detail trying to understand how the pieces work together there's no better

544
00:31:35.180 --> 00:31:36.100
way to be

545
00:31:36.100 --> 00:31:40.790
able to connect the dots than to understand how each of the pieces move

546
00:31:40.790 --> 00:31:41.540
together.

547
00:31:41.540 --> 00:31:46.580
So before I figured we'd flip it up today and before we get to the questions we

548
00:31:46.580 --> 00:31:47.180
're going

549
00:31:47.180 --> 00:31:52.900
to go through the case studies.

550
00:31:52.900 --> 00:31:56.020
So I've got two case studies.

551
00:31:56.020 --> 00:32:04.120
I'll read this for you or skim through it and then I'll show you this golfer

552
00:32:04.120 --> 00:32:05.380
swing because

553
00:32:05.380 --> 00:32:11.460
I thought this would be a fun exercise that I do oftentimes when golfers are

554
00:32:11.460 --> 00:32:12.500
describing

555
00:32:12.500 --> 00:32:17.700
their scenarios trying to imagine what would be the likely patterns.

556
00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:22.700
So let's look for the kind of the keywords in this.

557
00:32:22.700 --> 00:32:26.500
So this golfer contact to me basically said I wanted to come in and I said send

558
00:32:26.500 --> 00:32:26.940
in your

559
00:32:26.940 --> 00:32:33.620
swing or describe your issue, he said I don't have a current swing but here's

560
00:32:33.620 --> 00:32:34.740
my issue.

561
00:32:34.740 --> 00:32:39.420
So biggest issue I have is hitting the ball, fat thin and hitting it off the

562
00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:39.860
toe.

563
00:32:39.860 --> 00:32:42.780
Every struggle with finding a consistent bottom of the swing and when I do

564
00:32:42.780 --> 00:32:43.820
contact is always

565
00:32:43.820 --> 00:32:45.020
off the toe.

566
00:32:45.020 --> 00:32:50.140
My typical ball flight is a big hook so I'm assuming the swing path is from in

567
00:32:50.140 --> 00:32:50.780
out.

568
00:32:50.780 --> 00:32:55.460
When I do rarely get solid contact I do hit a 2 to 3 yard type draw which is my

569
00:32:55.460 --> 00:32:56.020
preferred

570
00:32:56.020 --> 00:32:59.380
ball flight from his good playing days.

571
00:32:59.380 --> 00:33:05.650
When swinging with the ball on the tee or off the toe miss and big hooks not

572
00:33:05.650 --> 00:33:06.380
ball flight

573
00:33:06.380 --> 00:33:11.700
starting at or slightly right of the target and then hooking or a big push if I

574
00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:12.260
try not

575
00:33:12.260 --> 00:33:14.940
to let the face close an impact.

576
00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:19.890
Okay so with that first paragraph it sounds like he has an idea of what's going

577
00:33:19.890 --> 00:33:20.420
on.

578
00:33:20.420 --> 00:33:26.130
It sounds like from this pattern that it's probably going to be more of one of

579
00:33:26.130 --> 00:33:26.780
the big

580
00:33:26.780 --> 00:33:33.270
path into out causes and hitting it on the toe makes sense that we might be

581
00:33:33.270 --> 00:33:34.300
dealing with

582
00:33:34.300 --> 00:33:36.900
some early extension, let's see.

583
00:33:36.900 --> 00:33:40.510
So I tried to fix the toe issue by standing closer to the ball which hasn't

584
00:33:40.510 --> 00:33:41.140
helped.

585
00:33:41.140 --> 00:33:45.340
So if it was early extension that wouldn't necessarily help it.

586
00:33:45.340 --> 00:33:47.100
Stance now seems to be fine.

587
00:33:47.100 --> 00:33:51.470
I have tried to fix the issue by swinging more left and try to get more over

588
00:33:51.470 --> 00:33:52.460
the top.

589
00:33:52.460 --> 00:33:56.610
Basically my cut swing trying to get the club head more in front of my hands on

590
00:33:56.610 --> 00:33:59.220
the downswing.

591
00:33:59.220 --> 00:34:04.170
So again if it was early extension that would typically cause more toe contact

592
00:34:04.170 --> 00:34:05.020
and a really

593
00:34:05.020 --> 00:34:10.470
kind of weak glancing strike at impact because it would create that shoulder

594
00:34:10.470 --> 00:34:11.420
pull pattern

595
00:34:11.420 --> 00:34:17.660
that we were seeing in a few of those amateurs.

596
00:34:17.660 --> 00:34:20.780
But that quickly results in pull hooks and pull slices.

597
00:34:20.780 --> 00:34:22.500
Okay so we know that that didn't work.

598
00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:26.910
I tried to fix hitting off the toe issues by putting a tee outside the ball and

599
00:34:26.910 --> 00:34:27.300
try to

600
00:34:27.300 --> 00:34:31.450
knock that tee out but it makes my transition too quick and I am throwing the

601
00:34:31.450 --> 00:34:32.020
club well

602
00:34:32.020 --> 00:34:33.660
behind the ball.

603
00:34:33.660 --> 00:34:39.150
Okay that's the only little piece that doesn't match the early extension based

604
00:34:39.150 --> 00:34:40.420
on this pattern.

605
00:34:40.420 --> 00:34:43.940
At least this was my thought process as I read through it.

606
00:34:43.940 --> 00:34:47.800
So the fat thin and off the toe contact are obviously exaggerated on the course

607
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:48.140
which

608
00:34:48.140 --> 00:34:53.220
makes, okay yep so that would fit maybe an early extension pattern.

609
00:34:53.220 --> 00:34:57.610
All these issues probably result in too many things to think about when playing

610
00:34:57.610 --> 00:34:57.880
.

611
00:34:57.880 --> 00:34:59.380
I'm sure that's not helpful in the past.

612
00:34:59.380 --> 00:35:03.050
I've always been able to swing at my best with one or two simple swing thoughts

613
00:35:03.050 --> 00:35:03.340
.

614
00:35:03.340 --> 00:35:08.880
So that's just kind of his subconscious warning that he's scared I'm going to

615
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:10.420
get too technical

616
00:35:10.420 --> 00:35:13.580
and he's hoping that I will keep it pretty simple.

617
00:35:13.580 --> 00:35:16.400
My hope is to find consistent contact and would love to be able to play my best

618
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:16.660
golf

619
00:35:16.660 --> 00:35:17.660
again.

620
00:35:17.660 --> 00:35:19.980
I'm 100% committed and willing to put in the work.

621
00:35:19.980 --> 00:35:23.940
Let me know if you can think of fixes I should try or videos to watch prior to

622
00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:26.260
the lesson.

623
00:35:26.260 --> 00:35:32.560
So I did send him a few early extension videos and then this was when I was

624
00:35:32.560 --> 00:35:33.380
going through

625
00:35:33.380 --> 00:35:36.620
it hitting the ball fat then hitting off the toe.

626
00:35:36.620 --> 00:35:41.020
These were kind of my bullet points that jumped out to me.

627
00:35:41.020 --> 00:35:44.980
Struggle with consistent bottom of the swing.

628
00:35:44.980 --> 00:35:49.280
Typically off the toe is more outside in unless there's early extension but

629
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:50.760
hitting the ball

630
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:54.900
fat then that fits early extension bottom of the swing fits early extension.

631
00:35:54.900 --> 00:35:58.300
Big hook and or block it's fits early extension.

632
00:35:58.300 --> 00:36:02.710
So I went into this thinking okay this guy's probably got some early extension

633
00:36:02.710 --> 00:36:03.460
issues.

634
00:36:03.460 --> 00:36:13.060
All right so now if we take a look at his swing.

635
00:36:13.060 --> 00:36:21.500
We look at his upper body compared to the trees oh there's no early extension.

636
00:36:21.500 --> 00:36:28.060
So I had him hit you know half a dozen a dozen golf balls and his path numbers

637
00:36:28.060 --> 00:36:29.020
you might

638
00:36:29.020 --> 00:36:33.750
be able to kind of get a rough guess here his path numbers were pretty close to

639
00:36:33.750 --> 00:36:34.140
zero

640
00:36:34.140 --> 00:36:36.300
even on his big hooks.

641
00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:42.000
So he was misdiagnosing his hook because it was actually a pull hook his

642
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:42.900
pattern was

643
00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:50.260
pretty close to straight or his swing direction was pretty close to straight

644
00:36:50.260 --> 00:36:52.020
even on his hooked

645
00:36:52.020 --> 00:36:53.020
misses.

646
00:36:53.020 --> 00:36:59.260
Here's his face on view of the same swing.

647
00:36:59.260 --> 00:37:06.090
So again not much early extension but definitely a lot more of the club passing

648
00:37:06.090 --> 00:37:06.500
.

649
00:37:06.500 --> 00:37:12.110
So okay we've got more of an arc width and low point issue and that is fitting

650
00:37:12.110 --> 00:37:12.860
the pattern

651
00:37:12.860 --> 00:37:17.610
with hitting it more on the toe that's fitting the pattern with hitting it left

652
00:37:17.610 --> 00:37:18.220
if he has

653
00:37:18.220 --> 00:37:24.300
any face rotation and he's just figured out how to kind of lunge and glide the

654
00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:24.780
right

655
00:37:24.780 --> 00:37:30.080
amount to take that release move which should move the path more left and make

656
00:37:30.080 --> 00:37:31.020
it go pretty

657
00:37:31.020 --> 00:37:32.020
straight.

658
00:37:32.020 --> 00:37:38.580
But the result is the contact misses okay so we we had a plan.

659
00:37:38.580 --> 00:37:45.070
Now one of the things was because he he said I want to hit a draw I was helping

660
00:37:45.070 --> 00:37:46.380
him visually

661
00:37:46.380 --> 00:37:51.250
get calibrated to where the target was and I gave him this rough guide to help

662
00:37:51.250 --> 00:37:53.300
with getting

663
00:37:53.300 --> 00:37:58.370
a little bit better delivery position because if I come back to this first

664
00:37:58.370 --> 00:37:59.300
movement.

665
00:37:59.300 --> 00:38:05.930
Oops okay so if I come back to this first movement and I look at this position

666
00:38:05.930 --> 00:38:06.620
here you

667
00:38:06.620 --> 00:38:13.290
can see that his chest is well closed his arm has dropped down quite

668
00:38:13.290 --> 00:38:15.380
significantly compared

669
00:38:15.380 --> 00:38:21.460
to the height of his chest and the club while it's on plane is very high.

670
00:38:21.460 --> 00:38:28.820
So he's retained a fair amount of the vertical hinge of his wrist and then as a

671
00:38:28.820 --> 00:38:30.060
result he

672
00:38:30.060 --> 00:38:35.180
can't have his body rotate more if he rotated his body into a more normal

673
00:38:35.180 --> 00:38:36.460
looking pattern

674
00:38:36.460 --> 00:38:41.910
the club would get really steep and he would hit diggy diggy contact really bad

675
00:38:41.910 --> 00:38:42.740
pull hooks.

676
00:38:42.740 --> 00:38:46.670
I think that's what happens when he tried to swing more of the cut swing at

677
00:38:46.670 --> 00:38:47.260
least that's

678
00:38:47.260 --> 00:38:53.560
what he identified as well okay so then put the stick on the ground to help him

679
00:38:53.560 --> 00:38:54.060
kind of

680
00:38:54.060 --> 00:39:00.850
calibrate whoops so I put the stick on the ground to kind of help him calibrate

681
00:39:00.850 --> 00:39:01.380
a little

682
00:39:01.380 --> 00:39:07.870
bit more shallowness and we talked about the ulnar deviation but he didn't

683
00:39:07.870 --> 00:39:08.980
really respond

684
00:39:08.980 --> 00:39:09.980
well to that.

685
00:39:09.980 --> 00:39:13.280
We actually worked more on that the second lesson he did a much better job with

686
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:13.660
that.

687
00:39:13.660 --> 00:39:20.080
So with all we did here was we tried to get our chest more turned in the club

688
00:39:20.080 --> 00:39:21.300
more behind

689
00:39:21.300 --> 00:39:27.500
or even with the stick and so luckily his path numbers didn't change a whole

690
00:39:27.500 --> 00:39:28.300
lot they

691
00:39:28.300 --> 00:39:32.100
did get a little bit more in out because he said he hated seeing anything that

692
00:39:32.100 --> 00:39:32.460
curved

693
00:39:32.460 --> 00:39:38.580
right he wanted to hit more of a fade or sorry more of a draw.

694
00:39:38.580 --> 00:39:45.150
So as a result of getting a little bit more body action and the club a little

695
00:39:45.150 --> 00:39:46.020
bit more

696
00:39:46.020 --> 00:39:50.940
shallow from the arm movement instead of from the excessive body staying closed

697
00:39:50.940 --> 00:39:51.660
he was able

698
00:39:51.660 --> 00:39:57.890
to get his hands far enough ahead to eliminate the big hook and the pull

699
00:39:57.890 --> 00:39:59.620
pattern now still

700
00:39:59.620 --> 00:40:04.310
maybe a little bit more we could do with the arms and this was on more of a

701
00:40:04.310 --> 00:40:05.100
drill but it

702
00:40:05.100 --> 00:40:07.180
was moving in the right direction.

703
00:40:07.180 --> 00:40:12.630
So then this last one we'll look at for this golfer this was more of a full

704
00:40:12.630 --> 00:40:14.380
swing pattern

705
00:40:14.380 --> 00:40:19.070
and you can see he gets when he goes to the full swing he was able to keep it

706
00:40:19.070 --> 00:40:19.580
closed but

707
00:40:19.580 --> 00:40:25.750
you can see he really loves keeping that wrist angle or the vertical hinge and

708
00:40:25.750 --> 00:40:27.460
so as a result

709
00:40:27.460 --> 00:40:32.600
he kept his chest a little bit more closed but now he was happy to see the ball

710
00:40:32.600 --> 00:40:33.140
start

711
00:40:33.140 --> 00:40:39.530
right and draw on most shots as opposed to what he attributed to a hook was

712
00:40:39.530 --> 00:40:40.460
actually

713
00:40:40.460 --> 00:40:47.300
a pull hook a pretty significant pull hook given the amount of flip.

714
00:40:47.300 --> 00:40:53.400
Okay so then this was that last swing so a little bit closer to more of a

715
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:54.820
playing swing

716
00:40:54.820 --> 00:41:01.310
length you can see he was still able with a little reminder of where we wanted

717
00:41:01.310 --> 00:41:01.900
to get

718
00:41:01.900 --> 00:41:07.980
the hands at impact just did a little merry go round with the handle location

719
00:41:07.980 --> 00:41:08.780
he was able

720
00:41:08.780 --> 00:41:13.120
to get the hands more in front and get the ball fight pattern that he was

721
00:41:13.120 --> 00:41:15.740
hoping to get.

722
00:41:15.740 --> 00:41:25.140
So what you'll commonly see video wise with golfers who pull that club down if

723
00:41:25.140 --> 00:41:26.220
you were

724
00:41:26.220 --> 00:41:31.890
to look at the height of the let's say here's a line for his ribcage you'll see

725
00:41:31.890 --> 00:41:33.140
that first

726
00:41:33.140 --> 00:41:41.010
movement down his hands now dropped well lower compared to the ribcage on the 3

727
00:41:41.010 --> 00:41:42.180
D graphs what

728
00:41:42.180 --> 00:41:48.480
we would have seen is with that lead shoulder lift we would have seen a pretty

729
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:49.460
sharp drop

730
00:41:49.460 --> 00:41:55.830
down you know and possibly continue all the way through because that shoulder

731
00:41:55.830 --> 00:41:56.580
looks like

732
00:41:56.580 --> 00:42:00.000
it works a little bit more around so we would have seen more of that straight

733
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.260
drop down as

734
00:42:01.260 --> 00:42:06.450
opposed to the plateau at the top we'll see it a little bit more exaggerated in

735
00:42:06.450 --> 00:42:07.220
the next

736
00:42:07.220 --> 00:42:17.300
case study okay so this was a fun golfer referred to me by a student he read

737
00:42:17.300 --> 00:42:18.580
the book he he's

738
00:42:18.580 --> 00:42:23.600
on the site so we're kind of speaking the same language unfortunately I for

739
00:42:23.600 --> 00:42:24.700
some reason

740
00:42:24.700 --> 00:42:29.040
I don't have any of the recordings from the very beginning of this lesson we

741
00:42:29.040 --> 00:42:29.780
did a little

742
00:42:29.780 --> 00:42:36.990
bit of rope training but that didn't necessarily clean stuff up he he was

743
00:42:36.990 --> 00:42:39.020
actually pretty funny

744
00:42:39.020 --> 00:42:44.890
I'll use down the line he had two two things that he said he absolutely hates

745
00:42:44.890 --> 00:42:45.760
about his

746
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:50.450
swing he doesn't play a lot he travels a lot for work right now but he said the

747
00:42:50.450 --> 00:42:51.060
two things

748
00:42:51.060 --> 00:42:58.300
he hates are he has a tendency to get the club steep and so he he showed me on

749
00:42:58.300 --> 00:42:59.500
his iPad

750
00:42:59.500 --> 00:43:04.550
you know pictures where the club was up in line with the left arm now using the

751
00:43:04.550 --> 00:43:04.980
lens

752
00:43:04.980 --> 00:43:08.960
of what we just talked about can you see how even on this drill how much those

753
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:09.460
hands are

754
00:43:09.460 --> 00:43:17.140
dropping down in the club is staying up so then the other thing that he hates

755
00:43:17.140 --> 00:43:17.940
is on his

756
00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:24.300
swing how his hands go more into out and this actually wasn't a bad one this

757
00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:25.020
went pretty

758
00:43:25.020 --> 00:43:31.170
much more straight his hands typically have quite a lot of right word travel

759
00:43:31.170 --> 00:43:31.940
through

760
00:43:31.940 --> 00:43:37.700
the ball so this was him already practicing coming in with kind of an idea and

761
00:43:37.700 --> 00:43:38.540
him saying

762
00:43:38.540 --> 00:43:42.820
that's about you know as good as he can do but he whenever he falls he swings

763
00:43:42.820 --> 00:43:43.380
full it

764
00:43:43.380 --> 00:43:52.730
gets way in now okay so I knew I had this gentleman for an hour and then he was

765
00:43:52.730 --> 00:43:53.060
gonna

766
00:43:53.060 --> 00:43:58.070
go somewhere and come back and so I would see him two days later after giving

767
00:43:58.070 --> 00:43:58.740
him some

768
00:43:58.740 --> 00:44:04.370
horror so we wanted to address the two different pieces of basically learning

769
00:44:04.370 --> 00:44:05.300
to transition

770
00:44:05.300 --> 00:44:08.630
and keep that left shoulder high and getting more of the shallowing from some

771
00:44:08.630 --> 00:44:09.140
of the owner

772
00:44:09.140 --> 00:44:14.980
deviation and then using more of the body pivot to bring that the arms and

773
00:44:14.980 --> 00:44:15.980
hands on the way

774
00:44:15.980 --> 00:44:20.950
through so this was more his delivery and go kind of a release drill pre-

775
00:44:20.950 --> 00:44:22.220
setting a little

776
00:44:22.220 --> 00:44:26.150
bit more of the unhinged he naturally wanted to have the club head way up here

777
00:44:26.150 --> 00:44:26.700
so after

778
00:44:26.700 --> 00:44:30.890
correcting we made sure that the club head was under the height of the hands

779
00:44:30.890 --> 00:44:31.460
but well

780
00:44:31.460 --> 00:44:36.150
behind so because this was hit more from the arms and less from the body he was

781
00:44:36.150 --> 00:44:36.500
able to

782
00:44:36.500 --> 00:44:43.960
even really exaggerate that handle location on the way through we'll see here

783
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:45.340
is from the

784
00:44:45.340 --> 00:44:50.350
down the line it might not be you know quite perfect I went in to go make a

785
00:44:50.350 --> 00:44:51.500
little change

786
00:44:51.500 --> 00:44:55.760
and then backed off because that was one of his better ones normally he was

787
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:56.300
having more

788
00:44:56.300 --> 00:45:01.340
hand action on the way through he loved how his hands came around more to the

789
00:45:01.340 --> 00:45:02.340
left instead

790
00:45:02.340 --> 00:45:12.790
of going off to the right so then this was the second drill doing a little bit

791
00:45:12.790 --> 00:45:13.700
further

792
00:45:13.700 --> 00:45:17.620
more of a pump where he focused on that owner deviation and you'll see when he

793
00:45:17.620 --> 00:45:18.380
focused more

794
00:45:18.380 --> 00:45:24.870
in transition he loses the handle going left in the follow through so I knew

795
00:45:24.870 --> 00:45:26.020
when he came

796
00:45:26.020 --> 00:45:31.470
in for that second lesson that we were going to have to work on kind of

797
00:45:31.470 --> 00:45:32.900
combining the two

798
00:45:32.900 --> 00:45:38.150
of these movements together because when he focused on the transition he'd lose

799
00:45:38.150 --> 00:45:38.700
the release

800
00:45:38.700 --> 00:45:44.030
and then when he focused on the release he'd lose the transition alright so now

801
00:45:44.030 --> 00:45:45.060
day two

802
00:45:45.060 --> 00:45:50.660
unfortunately he's at that awkward 10 o'clock in the morning where I get son

803
00:45:50.660 --> 00:45:51.520
right in my

804
00:45:51.520 --> 00:45:58.340
bay but the down the lines will still look pretty easy or pretty good so this

805
00:45:58.340 --> 00:45:59.100
was him

806
00:45:59.100 --> 00:46:10.010
completing what he thought was that right drill the little release drill and we

807
00:46:10.010 --> 00:46:10.660
're focusing

808
00:46:10.660 --> 00:46:15.920
on keeping the unhinged and getting the body working more around on the way

809
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:16.700
through so

810
00:46:16.700 --> 00:46:26.040
after practicing it for basically a day this was pretty solid ok so now our

811
00:46:26.040 --> 00:46:27.500
goal was he

812
00:46:27.500 --> 00:46:30.980
had a hard time doing it more in the full swing so this is where we really

813
00:46:30.980 --> 00:46:31.700
focused on

814
00:46:31.700 --> 00:46:36.110
the shoulder staying up a little bit higher and getting more of the downward

815
00:46:36.110 --> 00:46:38.140
movement from

816
00:46:38.140 --> 00:46:55.560
the unhinged ok so you'll see as he starts down you can see how he's keeping

817
00:46:55.560 --> 00:46:56.620
that left

818
00:46:56.620 --> 00:47:00.970
arm closer to his chest this is was still a little bit higher than we like we

819
00:47:00.970 --> 00:47:01.500
talked

820
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:07.420
about getting it more down here which he's able to do on some and then he said

821
00:47:07.420 --> 00:47:08.100
he wouldn't

822
00:47:08.100 --> 00:47:16.500
be too unhappy with that because his hands still worked more around so this was

823
00:47:16.500 --> 00:47:17.780
focusing

824
00:47:17.780 --> 00:47:25.160
on that kiss my bicep or keeping that left shoulder high but getting the club

825
00:47:25.160 --> 00:47:25.860
low by

826
00:47:25.860 --> 00:47:29.470
unhinging more and so he loved how this was getting close to that right forearm

827
00:47:29.470 --> 00:47:29.940
instead

828
00:47:29.940 --> 00:47:35.340
of normally right along the left forearm and then he lost a little bit in the

829
00:47:35.340 --> 00:47:37.140
release but

830
00:47:37.140 --> 00:47:41.260
overall pretty good for that length swing it looks like with him he could do

831
00:47:41.260 --> 00:47:41.780
the nine

832
00:47:41.780 --> 00:47:47.120
to three version hitting it hard so it became a bigger problem when he took

833
00:47:47.120 --> 00:47:48.220
more of a full

834
00:47:48.220 --> 00:47:56.670
swing so then this one was focusing more on the release movement facons aren't

835
00:47:56.670 --> 00:47:57.620
too clear

836
00:47:57.620 --> 00:48:04.130
most of his issues show up from the down line so again this is focusing more on

837
00:48:04.130 --> 00:48:05.460
the release

838
00:48:05.460 --> 00:48:10.810
and so you'll see when he focuses on the release he had a little bit more pull

839
00:48:10.810 --> 00:48:11.820
down

840
00:48:11.820 --> 00:48:17.200
of the arm see that shoulder kind of disconnect pretty quickly and then but

841
00:48:17.200 --> 00:48:18.300
because he was

842
00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:22.980
focused on the release he was able to get the hands going more around and the

843
00:48:22.980 --> 00:48:23.340
key things

844
00:48:23.340 --> 00:48:27.680
in the release were rotating the right side so right hip and right chest and

845
00:48:27.680 --> 00:48:28.420
then trying

846
00:48:28.420 --> 00:48:36.660
to keep that ulnar deviation or unhinged longer so he walked away with he liked

847
00:48:36.660 --> 00:48:37.180
the he said

848
00:48:37.180 --> 00:48:41.030
he was going to do a million of this little drill and then when he played he'd

849
00:48:41.030 --> 00:48:41.740
focus more

850
00:48:41.740 --> 00:48:46.180
on the transition and if the hands go out a little bit we talked about how that

851
00:48:46.180 --> 00:48:46.620
would

852
00:48:46.620 --> 00:48:53.610
create more of a just a subtle in out path more so than he would want so maybe

853
00:48:53.610 --> 00:48:54.500
a little

854
00:48:54.500 --> 00:49:00.910
overdraw but overall it'd be better ground contact that was the one thing when

855
00:49:00.910 --> 00:49:01.300
we went

856
00:49:01.300 --> 00:49:05.030
off and practiced on grass he noticed he was taking real divots instead of kind

857
00:49:05.030 --> 00:49:05.580
of picking

858
00:49:05.580 --> 00:49:10.270
the ball which was going to be one of our positive signs that we were doing

859
00:49:10.270 --> 00:49:10.900
things in

860
00:49:10.900 --> 00:49:20.120
the right direction okay I'll before I jump into the questions I will jump over

861
00:49:20.120 --> 00:49:20.260
to the

862
00:49:20.260 --> 00:49:27.440
chat let's see alright we've got a couple more highs but nothing related to any

863
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:27.820
of the

864
00:49:27.820 --> 00:49:38.420
case studies so sounds good for me let's go into the questions okay so this was

865
00:49:38.420 --> 00:49:39.100
the

866
00:49:39.100 --> 00:49:45.940
description one of Robbie's students early so he's a new student it looks like

867
00:49:45.940 --> 00:49:46.900
curious

868
00:49:46.900 --> 00:49:51.590
what you would likely take on this golfer since we worked diligently on trying

869
00:49:51.590 --> 00:49:52.260
to delay

870
00:49:52.260 --> 00:49:56.940
the positive out of plane shaft rotation by getting the sweet spot above the

871
00:49:56.940 --> 00:49:57.460
hand path

872
00:49:57.460 --> 00:50:03.180
for longer in the backswing as well as earlier downswing owner deviation of the

873
00:50:03.180 --> 00:50:04.140
wrist swing

874
00:50:04.140 --> 00:50:09.470
direction is moved from -10 to 0 but he struggles with low point being too far

875
00:50:09.470 --> 00:50:10.900
back what are

876
00:50:10.900 --> 00:50:17.280
my thoughts okay so I got it zoomed in a little bit we kind of lost the top of

877
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:20.420
the swing here

878
00:50:20.420 --> 00:50:26.340
but I wanted to be able to see the body movement so we can see that that

879
00:50:26.340 --> 00:50:30.540
movement in transition

880
00:50:30.540 --> 00:50:42.170
could become a problem for low point as we go through so not a bad looking

881
00:50:42.170 --> 00:50:43.940
impact position

882
00:50:43.940 --> 00:50:48.810
but where he has the club there I'm definitely concerned with the release in

883
00:50:48.810 --> 00:50:49.820
the bottom of

884
00:50:49.820 --> 00:51:00.280
the swing as he goes through it kind of finishes more low and left okay so he's

885
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:00.820
got kind of

886
00:51:00.820 --> 00:51:07.420
a really pronounced kind of tumble style release so I think you're in the right

887
00:51:07.420 --> 00:51:08.340
ballpark

888
00:51:08.340 --> 00:51:18.860
in as far as working on the trying to get more owner deviation now depending on

889
00:51:18.860 --> 00:51:19.580
the golfer

890
00:51:19.580 --> 00:51:28.040
skill level so let me okay so depending on the golfer skill level I would

891
00:51:28.040 --> 00:51:29.220
potentially

892
00:51:29.220 --> 00:51:37.860
look at the single arm releases to see which arm is really trying to get the

893
00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:39.340
club to kick

894
00:51:39.340 --> 00:51:45.420
out through there because that's the move that kind of concerns me if I were to

895
00:51:45.420 --> 00:51:46.140
get myself

896
00:51:46.140 --> 00:51:53.770
into that position right so if I was to have my hips pretty much facing the

897
00:51:53.770 --> 00:51:55.100
golf ball and

898
00:51:55.100 --> 00:52:02.750
then my chest closed about 20 30 degrees but the club outside there to me that

899
00:52:02.750 --> 00:52:04.620
feels very

900
00:52:04.620 --> 00:52:11.060
steep because if I was to have more body rotation that would bring the club

901
00:52:11.060 --> 00:52:13.180
more out there right

902
00:52:13.180 --> 00:52:19.750
so the onions will help but I think it's more of this forearm rotation that you

903
00:52:19.750 --> 00:52:21.140
would need

904
00:52:21.140 --> 00:52:27.490
in order to bring the club shallow enough that he could have more body rotation

905
00:52:27.490 --> 00:52:28.180
or body

906
00:52:28.180 --> 00:52:35.270
sequencing on the way through I would probably play around with setting up like

907
00:52:35.270 --> 00:52:36.580
a pool meal

908
00:52:36.580 --> 00:52:42.290
or something on that particular frame right there just making sure that he had

909
00:52:42.290 --> 00:52:42.980
an object

910
00:52:42.980 --> 00:52:51.100
to miss or more likely because of how the club goes through there I would

911
00:52:51.100 --> 00:52:52.700
probably work

912
00:52:52.700 --> 00:52:57.570
on the other side and I would probably work into trying to get the club to exit

913
00:52:57.570 --> 00:52:58.500
more outside

914
00:52:58.500 --> 00:53:04.770
the hands so I would probably set up some type of visual station for him to

915
00:53:04.770 --> 00:53:07.060
follow or I would

916
00:53:07.060 --> 00:53:12.850
have to or I would stand out there and basically have him try and throw the

917
00:53:12.850 --> 00:53:14.140
club head out to

918
00:53:14.140 --> 00:53:19.230
my hand I'm almost 100% confident he would start by doing it like this so he

919
00:53:19.230 --> 00:53:19.740
would have

920
00:53:19.740 --> 00:53:25.390
to feel a little bit more of the face rotation in order to get the path out

921
00:53:25.390 --> 00:53:28.300
there so I definitely

922
00:53:28.300 --> 00:53:37.010
see the transition move as a barrier that I would want to work on but I think

923
00:53:37.010 --> 00:53:37.660
that that

924
00:53:37.660 --> 00:53:41.950
right there screams more of a release issue to me so I would start there and

925
00:53:41.950 --> 00:53:42.620
then back

926
00:53:42.620 --> 00:53:55.230
my way up to transition I see a comment all right my comment has to do with the

927
00:53:55.230 --> 00:53:56.180
ankle movement

928
00:53:56.180 --> 00:54:01.300
during the swing since they are only allowed they're only allowing me to type

929
00:54:01.300 --> 00:54:02.660
200 letters

930
00:54:02.660 --> 00:54:08.200
per space common will be broken up into pieces that's fine I'll let you I'll

931
00:54:08.200 --> 00:54:09.060
let you type

932
00:54:09.060 --> 00:54:14.020
that so first in the direction in the backswing the ankle has to start to move

933
00:54:14.020 --> 00:54:15.060
in the direction

934
00:54:15.060 --> 00:54:26.620
the foot is pointing due to the hinge talent talus joint okay yes then the the

935
00:54:26.620 --> 00:54:28.180
front foot

936
00:54:28.180 --> 00:54:36.580
would pronate on to the front foot would pronate on to the front foot to allow

937
00:54:36.580 --> 00:54:37.500
the front knee

938
00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:46.640
to start to point towards the middle of the stance yeah so the the right foot

939
00:54:46.640 --> 00:54:48.020
in the backswing

940
00:54:48.020 --> 00:54:56.340
is going to have a little bit more of the supination while the trail the lead

941
00:54:56.340 --> 00:54:57.100
foot is

942
00:54:57.100 --> 00:55:02.380
going to have more of the pronation so they're basically you know rotating this

943
00:55:02.380 --> 00:55:03.580
way now the

944
00:55:03.580 --> 00:55:09.730
key is we don't want to have too much pronation or sorry supination of the

945
00:55:09.730 --> 00:55:11.500
trail foot or

946
00:55:11.500 --> 00:55:15.650
else you'll lose the pressure point and you'll typically have too much of a

947
00:55:15.650 --> 00:55:16.700
lateral sway of

948
00:55:16.700 --> 00:55:24.260
the knee I've a Matt I imagine that this is going to take you a couple to to

949
00:55:24.260 --> 00:55:24.940
type in there

950
00:55:24.940 --> 00:55:31.380
so I'll I'll jump back into the the questions and come back to this once it

951
00:55:31.380 --> 00:55:32.700
looks like you've

952
00:55:32.700 --> 00:55:41.340
got it fully figured out there okay so Robbie had a couple other other

953
00:55:41.340 --> 00:55:42.180
questions so hopefully

954
00:55:42.180 --> 00:55:45.320
that I would go after the release I would go after more of the rotational

955
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:46.700
aspect rather

956
00:55:46.700 --> 00:55:54.980
than the onion so getting more of the early pronation of the lead or wrist and

957
00:55:54.980 --> 00:55:56.260
then focus

958
00:55:56.260 --> 00:56:02.090
on the exit path being a little bit more outside the hands because I'm a little

959
00:56:02.090 --> 00:56:02.580
worried

960
00:56:02.580 --> 00:56:08.470
that that that movement where the club is exiting very low is related to the

961
00:56:08.470 --> 00:56:09.220
release

962
00:56:09.220 --> 00:56:15.300
issue and that transition movement of kind of pulling down and throwing it over

963
00:56:15.300 --> 00:56:15.820
would

964
00:56:15.820 --> 00:56:20.190
support that release movement like make that release movement faster okay

965
00:56:20.190 --> 00:56:21.940
Robbie had a

966
00:56:21.940 --> 00:56:26.260
couple other good questions unfortunately I wasn't able to find a whole lot on

967
00:56:26.260 --> 00:56:26.860
McLean's

968
00:56:26.860 --> 00:56:30.850
elimination theory so I'll just go off of more of your description if you want

969
00:56:30.850 --> 00:56:31.500
to send

970
00:56:31.500 --> 00:56:37.340
me an article or a link or anything like that I'd be happy to check it out club

971
00:56:37.340 --> 00:56:40.020
etc.

972
00:56:40.020 --> 00:56:44.700
So I have a couple questions based on that is there a difference between

973
00:56:44.700 --> 00:56:45.500
introducing a

974
00:56:45.500 --> 00:56:51.300
new motor pattern versus adjusting an existing or old motor pattern or is there

975
00:56:51.300 --> 00:56:52.380
a difference

976
00:56:52.380 --> 00:56:59.010
between using a pre-existing motor pattern that's kind of dormant versus

977
00:56:59.010 --> 00:57:00.220
building a new

978
00:57:00.220 --> 00:57:04.390
motor pattern it might be semantics and whatnot I'm not quite sure again I don

979
00:57:04.390 --> 00:57:05.300
't know enough

980
00:57:05.300 --> 00:57:11.570
about McLean's elimination theory but as far as starting complex and then

981
00:57:11.570 --> 00:57:15.380
working backwards

982
00:57:15.380 --> 00:57:22.130
I think that's you know overall a good approach I usually start with as little

983
00:57:22.130 --> 00:57:23.500
intervention

984
00:57:23.500 --> 00:57:27.360
as I can so oftentimes the first question is you know well okay you didn't know

985
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:27.700
you were

986
00:57:27.700 --> 00:57:37.140
doing this can you do it and then if they can't do it then I'll go more into

987
00:57:37.140 --> 00:57:38.660
the direct

988
00:57:38.660 --> 00:57:44.420
direct issue or a direct cause so going through the four stages of awareness so

989
00:57:44.420 --> 00:57:45.660
if I say okay

990
00:57:45.660 --> 00:57:48.870
you didn't know that you were swinging ten degrees out to the left can you

991
00:57:48.870 --> 00:57:49.460
swing it out

992
00:57:49.460 --> 00:57:54.140
to the right and then if they did let's say they did it but with early

993
00:57:54.140 --> 00:57:55.100
extension I said

994
00:57:55.100 --> 00:57:57.930
no you got to keep your chest down and still swing it out to the right then if

995
00:57:57.930 --> 00:57:58.540
they weren't

996
00:57:58.540 --> 00:58:03.630
able to do it I'd break it down into the individual pieces and help figure out

997
00:58:03.630 --> 00:58:04.140
which

998
00:58:04.140 --> 00:58:10.650
of those pieces had the biggest contribution but I normally I always almost

999
00:58:10.650 --> 00:58:11.860
always start

1000
00:58:11.860 --> 00:58:16.590
with can you do the movement and brush the ground can you do the movement and

1001
00:58:16.590 --> 00:58:17.140
brush the

1002
00:58:17.140 --> 00:58:22.020
ground in and hit the ball in a 9 to 3 then can you do it in a 10 to then can

1003
00:58:22.020 --> 00:58:22.660
you do it

1004
00:58:22.660 --> 00:58:27.350
in a full swing so I almost always go through eliminating shot intention

1005
00:58:27.350 --> 00:58:28.460
because focusing

1006
00:58:28.460 --> 00:58:34.980
on ground contact first and then eliminating speed and build it up slowly from

1007
00:58:34.980 --> 00:58:35.980
there but

1008
00:58:35.980 --> 00:58:39.580
if you I'd be happy to take a look if you want to send me an article or book or

1009
00:58:39.580 --> 00:58:40.140
something

1010
00:58:40.140 --> 00:58:57.370
like that okay before I jump that I see okay so back to Ed's question so first

1011
00:58:57.370 --> 00:58:57.740
in the

1012
00:58:57.740 --> 00:59:03.490
backswing the ankle has to start to move in the direction the foot is pointing

1013
00:59:03.490 --> 00:59:04.220
due to

1014
00:59:04.220 --> 00:59:11.790
the the hinge talus joint now are are you talking about the lead foot or the

1015
00:59:11.790 --> 00:59:13.700
trail foot because

1016
00:59:13.700 --> 00:59:17.120
the answer is yes but it doesn't so it either moves away from the joint or

1017
00:59:17.120 --> 00:59:18.060
towards the joint

1018
00:59:18.060 --> 00:59:23.450
right so it either increases the angle like narrowing or it or sorry decreases

1019
00:59:23.450 --> 00:59:24.220
the angle

1020
00:59:24.220 --> 00:59:32.930
by flexing or it increases by planar flexing then the foot would pronate onto

1021
00:59:32.930 --> 00:59:34.100
the front

1022
00:59:34.100 --> 00:59:37.770
foot to allow the front knee to start to point more towards the middle of

1023
00:59:37.770 --> 00:59:38.740
stance yes you will

1024
00:59:38.740 --> 00:59:43.420
have some pronation of the front foot now on the downswing the reverse happens

1025
00:59:43.420 --> 00:59:44.060
the front

1026
00:59:44.060 --> 00:59:51.300
foot turns back to flat and the knee flexion starts to straighten out as the

1027
00:59:51.300 --> 00:59:52.900
pelvis rotates

1028
00:59:52.900 --> 00:59:59.490
back typically the knee flexion is going to like while the foot is pronating

1029
00:59:59.490 --> 01:00:00.300
the knee

1030
01:00:00.300 --> 01:00:04.600
is flexing and then once the knee starts to to straighten the foot will go into

1031
01:00:04.600 --> 01:00:05.100
more of

1032
01:00:05.100 --> 01:00:11.040
a supination pattern is that a good way to think of the movement of the front

1033
01:00:11.040 --> 01:00:11.700
ankle okay

1034
01:00:11.700 --> 01:00:17.090
so you were talking about the front ankle yeah so the front ankle is going to

1035
01:00:17.090 --> 01:00:17.540
have more

1036
01:00:17.540 --> 01:00:23.110
of a pronation it gets slightly into the toe and then rolls back into sup

1037
01:00:23.110 --> 01:00:24.140
ination as

1038
01:00:24.140 --> 01:00:29.310
the leg is straightening that would be a good way to think about it Jay was

1039
01:00:29.310 --> 01:00:30.540
commenting on

1040
01:00:30.540 --> 01:00:34.520
Robbie's student looks like on the downswing he may be a little bit narrow yeah

1041
01:00:34.520 --> 01:00:34.780
it would

1042
01:00:34.780 --> 01:00:39.170
have been nice to see a face on with that pattern as well but we only had the

1043
01:00:39.170 --> 01:00:39.700
down the

1044
01:00:39.700 --> 01:00:46.020
line so I was looking at it more from Steve shallow now he did say low point

1045
01:00:46.020 --> 01:00:46.820
was the main

1046
01:00:46.820 --> 01:00:58.940
issue which is it would be interesting the typically when I'm looking at low

1047
01:00:58.940 --> 01:01:00.200
point control

1048
01:01:00.200 --> 01:01:03.750
I'm primarily going to look at face on and then typically when I'm looking at

1049
01:01:03.750 --> 01:01:04.300
straight

1050
01:01:04.300 --> 01:01:08.170
or curve I'm going to typically look at the down the line you got to blend the

1051
01:01:08.170 --> 01:01:09.060
most together

1052
01:01:09.060 --> 01:01:13.030
but if I only had one and his main issue was low point control I'd probably

1053
01:01:13.030 --> 01:01:13.660
look at more

1054
01:01:13.660 --> 01:01:18.540
of the face on so he may he might have been a little bit too narrow and narrow

1055
01:01:18.540 --> 01:01:19.180
does come

1056
01:01:19.180 --> 01:01:25.130
from having too much of the radial deviation so you might be going down the

1057
01:01:25.130 --> 01:01:26.460
right pattern

1058
01:01:26.460 --> 01:01:34.070
well helping a sprout golf will helping a student maintain flex in the right

1059
01:01:34.070 --> 01:01:34.900
knee help

1060
01:01:34.900 --> 01:01:39.960
with too much lateral movement in the forward swing tendency is to straighten

1061
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:40.660
the right

1062
01:01:40.660 --> 01:01:51.850
knee too much on the backswing so my plan is to discuss the knee the next web

1063
01:01:51.850 --> 01:01:52.660
inar because

1064
01:01:52.660 --> 01:01:59.610
I do think like the the knee is a more complicated joint than most people give

1065
01:01:59.610 --> 01:02:00.940
it credit for

1066
01:02:00.940 --> 01:02:05.640
and so the the average I've seen is that the trail leg in the backswing only

1067
01:02:05.640 --> 01:02:06.620
straightens

1068
01:02:06.620 --> 01:02:13.250
about 5 to 10 degrees somewhere around 8 to probably a good range if you were

1069
01:02:13.250 --> 01:02:13.820
to fully

1070
01:02:13.820 --> 01:02:19.890
straighten so if you were to straighten the knee more more than 15 degrees 10

1071
01:02:19.890 --> 01:02:20.980
to 15 degrees

1072
01:02:20.980 --> 01:02:27.550
then you would have a hard time activating the glutes so there's a trade off

1073
01:02:27.550 --> 01:02:28.660
there we'll

1074
01:02:28.660 --> 01:02:33.990
talk a little bit about where more of that rotation happens but what I tend to

1075
01:02:33.990 --> 01:02:34.500
see is

1076
01:02:34.500 --> 01:02:40.340
golfers who try to keep that leg too straight tend to have a little bit too

1077
01:02:40.340 --> 01:02:41.580
much lateral

1078
01:02:41.580 --> 01:02:46.830
movement and that allowing that leg to feel like it's straightening helps

1079
01:02:46.830 --> 01:02:48.060
create rotation

1080
01:02:48.060 --> 01:02:53.720
typically it's actually more flexing of the lead knee or bending the lead knee

1081
01:02:53.720 --> 01:02:54.340
more that

1082
01:02:54.340 --> 01:02:59.510
creates the rotation not so much straightening the trail leg but allowing those

1083
01:02:59.510 --> 01:03:00.140
knees to

1084
01:03:00.140 --> 01:03:05.260
work with a little bit more of a feeling of bending and straightening tends to

1085
01:03:05.260 --> 01:03:06.060
help out

1086
01:03:06.060 --> 01:03:13.480
with too much lateral movement during the primarily during the backswing the

1087
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:13.820
lateral

1088
01:03:13.820 --> 01:03:19.900
movement during the forward swing I would tend to look at the knee relationship

1089
01:03:19.900 --> 01:03:20.660
compared

1090
01:03:20.660 --> 01:03:25.600
to the hips so if the knees are what's called valgus so if the knees are kind

1091
01:03:25.600 --> 01:03:26.500
of not need

1092
01:03:26.500 --> 01:03:33.000
or caved in that will tend to create too much lateral movement because it's the

1093
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:33.780
it's the

1094
01:03:33.780 --> 01:03:39.070
glutes that would typically stabilize that lateral movement but if you want to

1095
01:03:39.070 --> 01:03:39.340
send a

1096
01:03:39.340 --> 01:03:44.990
specific swing that would fit really well with the next webinar where I'm

1097
01:03:44.990 --> 01:03:45.860
planning to

1098
01:03:45.860 --> 01:03:51.750
look at the knee so hopefully you can send something in okay let's get back to

1099
01:03:51.750 --> 01:03:52.340
some of

1100
01:03:52.340 --> 01:03:59.490
these questions so back to Robbie's okay for golfers who don't can't side bend

1101
01:03:59.490 --> 01:04:00.580
and rotate

1102
01:04:00.580 --> 01:04:06.990
how do you help them decide what ball flight they should play I find for most a

1103
01:04:06.990 --> 01:04:07.540
fade is

1104
01:04:07.540 --> 01:04:11.520
often better for irons but trying to manage the path with the driver gets

1105
01:04:11.520 --> 01:04:12.220
tricky what

1106
01:04:12.220 --> 01:04:22.920
do you prioritize okay so for when we're looking at side bend and rotate I

1107
01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:24.640
would distinguish

1108
01:04:24.640 --> 01:04:30.170
can't versus is hard to so once you get over the age of about sixty five you

1109
01:04:30.170 --> 01:04:30.980
lose about

1110
01:04:30.980 --> 01:04:34.250
two thirds of your lateral bend so you're definitely going to have to change

1111
01:04:34.250 --> 01:04:34.780
your swing

1112
01:04:34.780 --> 01:04:39.490
once you get to about that age at least you're going to have to change how much

1113
01:04:39.490 --> 01:04:40.180
side bend

1114
01:04:40.180 --> 01:04:45.530
you could play around with rotation there's lots of different options for where

1115
01:04:45.530 --> 01:04:46.100
you can

1116
01:04:46.100 --> 01:04:52.950
get the rotation from so potentially you know it looking at it from more of a

1117
01:04:52.950 --> 01:04:53.780
is this a

1118
01:04:53.780 --> 01:04:58.470
physical restriction or is this just a motor pattern that being said if you're

1119
01:04:58.470 --> 01:04:59.100
not going

1120
01:04:59.100 --> 01:05:05.020
to use your whole body your body a lot then you're the more you use your arms

1121
01:05:05.020 --> 01:05:05.780
the more

1122
01:05:05.780 --> 01:05:10.200
I think you have to focus on rhythm while rhythm is really helpful for every

1123
01:05:10.200 --> 01:05:11.100
golfer I tend to

1124
01:05:11.100 --> 01:05:17.170
think a lot of the more stand up throw the arms like it's much higher priority

1125
01:05:17.170 --> 01:05:17.700
in the

1126
01:05:17.700 --> 01:05:21.640
checklist to have really good rhythm because that lack of rhythm is going to

1127
01:05:21.640 --> 01:05:22.220
cause low

1128
01:05:22.220 --> 01:05:28.620
point and face control issues I find for most a fade is often better for irons

1129
01:05:28.620 --> 01:05:29.220
but trying

1130
01:05:29.220 --> 01:05:40.980
to manage the path the driver gets tricky the thing with the driver one of the

1131
01:05:40.980 --> 01:05:42.300
like one

1132
01:05:42.300 --> 01:05:47.150
of the ways that I'll use track man especially with my older golfers is to look

1133
01:05:47.150 --> 01:05:47.940
at the club

1134
01:05:47.940 --> 01:05:51.360
at speed difference between say their driver and their three would and I'll

1135
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:51.940
explain that

1136
01:05:51.940 --> 01:05:57.200
most of the guys who are upper body dominant do better with a little bit more

1137
01:05:57.200 --> 01:05:57.940
loft or do

1138
01:05:57.940 --> 01:06:03.460
better with a shorter length driver so whether it's a you know a strong feeling

1139
01:06:03.460 --> 01:06:05.140
three would

1140
01:06:05.140 --> 01:06:10.330
that can be one option if you're not going to have a lot of rotation but the

1141
01:06:10.330 --> 01:06:11.260
the simple

1142
01:06:11.260 --> 01:06:19.370
the simple communication or explanation that I use is if if I took a sandwich

1143
01:06:19.370 --> 01:06:20.260
and put it

1144
01:06:20.260 --> 01:06:24.650
on the ground it's kind of sitting like this if I had a driver it's kind of at

1145
01:06:24.650 --> 01:06:25.260
an angle

1146
01:06:25.260 --> 01:06:29.940
more like that so if I exaggerate the driver is more horizontal well it's it's

1147
01:06:29.940 --> 01:06:30.460
very hard

1148
01:06:30.460 --> 01:06:35.330
to use my arms powerfully and not swing more vertically and if a golfer is

1149
01:06:35.330 --> 01:06:36.240
deciding that

1150
01:06:36.240 --> 01:06:39.540
they're not going to do that and they're going to swing basically more arms and

1151
01:06:39.540 --> 01:06:40.740
more vertical

1152
01:06:40.740 --> 01:06:46.630
it doesn't really fit the shape of the driver's swing so I might play around

1153
01:06:46.630 --> 01:06:47.580
with a set up

1154
01:06:47.580 --> 01:06:53.800
change this would be like I think that this would be one of those more personal

1155
01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:55.140
and individual

1156
01:06:55.140 --> 01:07:01.290
issues do you play the ball a little bit more back and then do you play the

1157
01:07:01.290 --> 01:07:02.260
ball a little

1158
01:07:02.260 --> 01:07:06.600
bit more back to help control the face rotation do you play the ball a little

1159
01:07:06.600 --> 01:07:07.620
bit more forward

1160
01:07:07.620 --> 01:07:10.920
and hit more of a hold off like there's a couple different options I would play

1161
01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:11.140
around

1162
01:07:11.140 --> 01:07:17.210
with but you might have to get creative for each individual who can't side bend

1163
01:07:17.210 --> 01:07:17.900
and rotate

1164
01:07:17.900 --> 01:07:21.570
depending on how well they can release because I think I think if they have a

1165
01:07:21.570 --> 01:07:22.220
really good

1166
01:07:22.220 --> 01:07:27.890
release I would play kind of like a slap hook rather than trying to play a fade

1167
01:07:27.890 --> 01:07:28.420
but if they

1168
01:07:28.420 --> 01:07:33.110
can't rotate side bend and they don't have very good club face awareness or

1169
01:07:33.110 --> 01:07:34.020
hand control

1170
01:07:34.020 --> 01:07:38.320
and we decide that we want to play more of kind of a shoulder pull fade yes

1171
01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:39.260
that's going

1172
01:07:39.260 --> 01:07:43.690
to get really tricky when we get to the driver and you'd have to play around

1173
01:07:43.690 --> 01:07:44.580
with a couple

1174
01:07:44.580 --> 01:07:52.090
things I think so hopefully that hopefully that clarifies things see a question

1175
01:07:52.090 --> 01:07:53.180
from looking

1176
01:07:53.180 --> 01:07:56.470
forward to your comments on the knees a lot of senior players have knee

1177
01:07:56.470 --> 01:07:57.400
replacements when

1178
01:07:57.400 --> 01:08:03.740
you discuss the knees can you talk about that yeah the good news is most knee

1179
01:08:03.740 --> 01:08:05.260
replacements

1180
01:08:05.260 --> 01:08:11.860
are they're limiting in rotation which can hurt us a little bit but their main

1181
01:08:11.860 --> 01:08:12.460
kind of

1182
01:08:12.460 --> 01:08:17.180
country indication is from deep knee bends which we don't really get into so

1183
01:08:17.180 --> 01:08:18.180
but I'll

1184
01:08:18.180 --> 01:08:25.590
make a little note about knee replacements the knee is a I think one of the

1185
01:08:25.590 --> 01:08:26.460
more fascinating

1186
01:08:26.460 --> 01:08:32.240
joints they're pretty good with it but the the replacement is definitely

1187
01:08:32.240 --> 01:08:33.940
different than

1188
01:08:33.940 --> 01:08:40.260
a natural knee so that'll be a fun discussion okay three what are some of your

1189
01:08:40.260 --> 01:08:40.660
favorite

1190
01:08:40.660 --> 01:08:44.320
drills for keeping the mass above the hands in the takeaway and during the

1191
01:08:44.320 --> 01:08:45.060
setting phase

1192
01:08:45.060 --> 01:08:49.750
I've I've several juniors who struggle to manage it when the shaft pitch gets

1193
01:08:49.750 --> 01:08:50.940
much flatter

1194
01:08:50.940 --> 01:08:56.140
than the original shaft plane in the backswing so I assume by that we basically

1195
01:08:56.140 --> 01:08:56.660
mean that

1196
01:08:56.660 --> 01:09:05.390
the club gets kind of sucked inside so I assume by that we mean the club gets

1197
01:09:05.390 --> 01:09:06.380
kind of sucked

1198
01:09:06.380 --> 01:09:12.140
inside so feeling more there where the mastase above and outside the hands so

1199
01:09:12.140 --> 01:09:12.860
that it can

1200
01:09:12.860 --> 01:09:20.010
kind of drop inside a little bit easier in transition you know I I can't say

1201
01:09:20.010 --> 01:09:20.620
that that's

1202
01:09:20.620 --> 01:09:27.950
one of my primary focuses I my my general order is I build I try to build a

1203
01:09:27.950 --> 01:09:29.660
really good impact

1204
01:09:29.660 --> 01:09:35.610
and release and then go back to transition and then go from there to set up and

1205
01:09:35.610 --> 01:09:36.500
backswing

1206
01:09:36.500 --> 01:09:41.820
and so while I'll have some students who've been with me for a little while

1207
01:09:41.820 --> 01:09:42.940
using backswing

1208
01:09:42.940 --> 01:09:49.060
drills especially in season it's not something that every single student works

1209
01:09:49.060 --> 01:09:49.860
on unless

1210
01:09:49.860 --> 01:09:56.300
they're depending on their goals I don't think you need to do a whole lot of

1211
01:09:56.300 --> 01:10:00.180
backswing work

1212
01:10:00.180 --> 01:10:05.390
to get let's say to a single digit handicap unless that backswing is massively

1213
01:10:05.390 --> 01:10:06.060
getting

1214
01:10:06.060 --> 01:10:12.640
you out of position so if it's crazy underneath and so they're going more this

1215
01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:13.700
way I would

1216
01:10:13.700 --> 01:10:23.960
potentially try to basically take away the the arms and hands from the initial

1217
01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:25.180
trigger

1218
01:10:25.180 --> 01:10:31.930
so we will we'll do some of these hands on next week in the cert class but

1219
01:10:31.930 --> 01:10:33.060
basically

1220
01:10:33.060 --> 01:10:38.130
feeling feeling like that first movement is controlled more from the core and

1221
01:10:38.130 --> 01:10:38.860
less from

1222
01:10:38.860 --> 01:10:43.160
the hips so resisting the club resisting the handle and getting more of that

1223
01:10:43.160 --> 01:10:43.820
movement

1224
01:10:43.820 --> 01:10:48.680
where the the hips and the body and the feet and the legs are are initiating

1225
01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:49.660
that movement

1226
01:10:49.660 --> 01:10:52.870
and then you if I'm doing that in the right direction it's the momentum of the

1227
01:10:52.870 --> 01:10:53.460
club that's

1228
01:10:53.460 --> 01:10:59.400
going to keep the the mass of the club outside the hands it's not necessarily

1229
01:10:59.400 --> 01:11:00.340
going to be

1230
01:11:00.340 --> 01:11:06.020
a manipulation so typically what will happen is golfers you kind of stuck it in

1231
01:11:06.020 --> 01:11:06.620
are either

1232
01:11:06.620 --> 01:11:10.790
overusing their legs or overusing their shoulders but there in both cases they

1233
01:11:10.790 --> 01:11:11.740
're probably not

1234
01:11:11.740 --> 01:11:17.580
using their core a whole lot that's where you depends on the age of their golf

1235
01:11:17.580 --> 01:11:17.940
ers since

1236
01:11:17.940 --> 01:11:22.770
the core is typically like the last to to grow if they're in the middle of a

1237
01:11:22.770 --> 01:11:23.500
gross bird

1238
01:11:23.500 --> 01:11:29.340
that might be a tough thing to work on but if they've either before it or after

1239
01:11:29.340 --> 01:11:29.740
it I

1240
01:11:29.740 --> 01:11:36.070
do a lot of core training using bands or me resisting to help them feel their

1241
01:11:36.070 --> 01:11:37.180
their abs

1242
01:11:37.180 --> 01:11:42.490
and their hips controlling the plane of the swing more so than just using the

1243
01:11:42.490 --> 01:11:42.980
hands

1244
01:11:42.980 --> 01:11:55.840
okay got few other questions coming in John asked a few good ones here in your

1245
01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:56.660
opinion

1246
01:11:56.660 --> 01:12:00.860
what does using the big muscles mean because as golf instructors we probably

1247
01:12:00.860 --> 01:12:01.540
have heard

1248
01:12:01.540 --> 01:12:07.620
many times to use the big muscles so for me the big muscles are a lot of the

1249
01:12:07.620 --> 01:12:08.220
gym muscles

1250
01:12:08.220 --> 01:12:16.050
so your glutes your abs your lats your your shoulders but not so much your

1251
01:12:16.050 --> 01:12:17.220
small muscles

1252
01:12:17.220 --> 01:12:24.580
meaning your arms in your hands so when they say to use the big muscles that's

1253
01:12:24.580 --> 01:12:25.380
typically

1254
01:12:25.380 --> 01:12:32.300
a sign that you're using your legs in your core so like the old classic you

1255
01:12:32.300 --> 01:12:33.220
know lead

1256
01:12:33.220 --> 01:12:38.340
better hinge the arms up turn your body turning your body would happen more at

1257
01:12:38.340 --> 01:12:39.260
the hips and

1258
01:12:39.260 --> 01:12:48.420
more at your your abs in the core and so it would be those superficial muscles

1259
01:12:48.420 --> 01:12:48.540
strength

1260
01:12:48.540 --> 01:12:54.060
is proportional to muscle size so the bigger the muscles the more potential

1261
01:12:54.060 --> 01:12:54.540
they have for

1262
01:12:54.540 --> 01:13:01.220
creating force the other thing is when you tend to use your big muscles it

1263
01:13:01.220 --> 01:13:02.420
allows more

1264
01:13:02.420 --> 01:13:08.480
of the fine tuning and control to happen with your small muscles so I think

1265
01:13:08.480 --> 01:13:08.980
that was a way

1266
01:13:08.980 --> 01:13:14.250
of kind of training the kinematic sequence or training using energy from the

1267
01:13:14.250 --> 01:13:15.020
ground up

1268
01:13:15.020 --> 01:13:22.240
instead of from the arms and hands out but yeah for me the big ones are your

1269
01:13:22.240 --> 01:13:23.260
your glutes

1270
01:13:23.260 --> 01:13:28.430
your legs your obliques and your lats would be the major you know some of your

1271
01:13:28.430 --> 01:13:29.180
shoulder

1272
01:13:29.180 --> 01:13:33.860
muscles as well but those would be the big muscles in my opinion what moves

1273
01:13:33.860 --> 01:13:34.100
first in

1274
01:13:34.100 --> 01:13:39.240
the backswing besides there being a slight pressure shift forward to start the

1275
01:13:39.240 --> 01:13:39.700
swing

1276
01:13:39.700 --> 01:13:49.280
is it the lead hand or the lead shoulder so the the in order to move a more

1277
01:13:49.280 --> 01:13:51.020
distal piece

1278
01:13:51.020 --> 01:13:56.900
I need to have some stability at the proximal piece so if I move everything

1279
01:13:56.900 --> 01:13:58.140
with the wrist

1280
01:13:58.140 --> 01:14:04.460
in forearms first then my body is going to be used more for stability if I move

1281
01:14:04.460 --> 01:14:04.940
more

1282
01:14:04.940 --> 01:14:13.570
from the proximal or closer to my center first then that would kind of fit with

1283
01:14:13.570 --> 01:14:15.420
a more normal

1284
01:14:15.420 --> 01:14:21.870
kinematic sequence pattern so it's the lead it basically the pattern would go

1285
01:14:21.870 --> 01:14:22.780
from that

1286
01:14:22.780 --> 01:14:27.470
left foot all the way up through the left leg all the way up through the core

1287
01:14:27.470 --> 01:14:27.860
into the

1288
01:14:27.860 --> 01:14:35.140
left shoulder so basically if I'm in this position let's say here I'll face you

1289
01:14:35.140 --> 01:14:35.500
so I'm

1290
01:14:35.500 --> 01:14:40.670
going to use my left leg and my core and then my shoulder and then my hands as

1291
01:14:40.670 --> 01:14:41.380
opposed

1292
01:14:41.380 --> 01:14:47.450
to using the hands and the wrist and then trying to load up the core second the

1293
01:14:47.450 --> 01:14:47.780
the

1294
01:14:47.780 --> 01:14:52.760
energy should move from that left big toe or the left foot all the way up into

1295
01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:53.340
the left

1296
01:14:53.340 --> 01:15:00.250
shoulder before the hand does anything now it's a on a small scale but it's a

1297
01:15:00.250 --> 01:15:01.020
muscle

1298
01:15:01.020 --> 01:15:05.860
activation that creates kind of tension so that then when the arms move they're

1299
01:15:05.860 --> 01:15:06.140
moving

1300
01:15:06.140 --> 01:15:12.060
more connected to the rest of the body is instead of independent so what moves

1301
01:15:12.060 --> 01:15:12.620
the hands

1302
01:15:12.620 --> 01:15:19.080
on the proper backswing arc the hands don't change a whole lot they stay in

1303
01:15:19.080 --> 01:15:20.540
kind of this

1304
01:15:20.540 --> 01:15:27.290
little bubble so they move up about 40 degrees they come across you know 20 30

1305
01:15:27.290 --> 01:15:28.420
degrees they

1306
01:15:28.420 --> 01:15:33.250
bend a little bit but they don't move a whole lot compared to what the body

1307
01:15:33.250 --> 01:15:34.300
does so most

1308
01:15:34.300 --> 01:15:40.120
of the proper arc on the backswing comes from your pivot and your hand or your

1309
01:15:40.120 --> 01:15:41.160
body action

1310
01:15:41.160 --> 01:15:50.690
and it's just supported by the better hand action I see drive hold asking for a

1311
01:15:50.690 --> 01:15:51.100
test

1312
01:15:51.100 --> 01:15:56.910
I read you routing loud and clear all right um John's can you further explain

1313
01:15:56.910 --> 01:15:57.380
the back

1314
01:15:57.380 --> 01:16:01.750
forty five downswing move is it a diagonal shift of the pressure from the trail

1315
01:16:01.750 --> 01:16:02.320
hill to

1316
01:16:02.320 --> 01:16:06.210
the front toe that corresponds with this I see people misunderstand this move

1317
01:16:06.210 --> 01:16:06.920
by squatting

1318
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:13.570
down but staying on the back foot um yeah so the the Jackson five is looking at

1319
01:16:13.570 --> 01:16:14.380
the bump

1320
01:16:14.380 --> 01:16:20.740
before the the turn um and because of your pelvis if you're looking from

1321
01:16:20.740 --> 01:16:23.260
overhead let's

1322
01:16:23.260 --> 01:16:30.050
say here we are so here we are let's say we're looking if I rotate about back

1323
01:16:30.050 --> 01:16:31.340
forty five

1324
01:16:31.340 --> 01:16:36.230
to move the hips towards the target it's actually or if I rotate forty five

1325
01:16:36.230 --> 01:16:37.320
degrees then to move

1326
01:16:37.320 --> 01:16:41.640
towards the target it's actually bumping more on a feeling of back forty five

1327
01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:42.320
compared to

1328
01:16:42.320 --> 01:16:47.010
the pelvis it's actually moving more slightly in the direction of the target

1329
01:16:47.010 --> 01:16:48.160
but what I find

1330
01:16:48.160 --> 01:16:51.720
is that some golfers are bumping this way and then they turn their body and now

1331
01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:52.220
they're

1332
01:16:52.220 --> 01:16:57.450
bumping that way so the back forty five is just accounting for the sensation

1333
01:16:57.450 --> 01:16:58.360
difference

1334
01:16:58.360 --> 01:17:02.510
for when you're doing it um with no hip rotation or pelvis rotation but when

1335
01:17:02.510 --> 01:17:03.280
you're doing it

1336
01:17:03.280 --> 01:17:11.440
with a full pelvic rotation um number five have you tested any of Mike Adam

1337
01:17:11.440 --> 01:17:12.220
screens where

1338
01:17:12.220 --> 01:17:17.720
did he get them I have no idea I have not to be fair I have not taken any of

1339
01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:18.840
his classes

1340
01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:23.970
but I have talked with um kind of a number of people who do and most of my

1341
01:17:23.970 --> 01:17:24.920
questions are

1342
01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:31.440
related to like the actual movements so I'll say like um I'll ask questions

1343
01:17:31.440 --> 01:17:33.320
like how can

1344
01:17:33.320 --> 01:17:40.490
up how can I apply his screens to other sports or like okay if I wanted to look

1345
01:17:40.490 --> 01:17:42.160
at a golfer

1346
01:17:42.160 --> 01:17:45.690
swinging more on the forearm plane or more on the shoulder plane what's gonna

1347
01:17:45.690 --> 01:17:46.480
look different

1348
01:17:46.480 --> 01:17:53.310
on 3d and they can't uh I haven't gotten any good answers to those questions

1349
01:17:53.310 --> 01:17:54.120
the the common

1350
01:17:54.120 --> 01:17:57.930
answer is well you'll see it on video if you draw this line and you look at it

1351
01:17:57.930 --> 01:17:58.760
in reference

1352
01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:05.630
to those lines um but that's for me there's way too much error in uh in diagn

1353
01:18:05.630 --> 01:18:06.760
osing that

1354
01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:11.440
as well as there's not enough like I still that still doesn't help me

1355
01:18:11.440 --> 01:18:12.560
understand what

1356
01:18:12.560 --> 01:18:16.950
the movement differences are so that if I want to coach a different movement I

1357
01:18:16.950 --> 01:18:17.480
can figure

1358
01:18:17.480 --> 01:18:20.430
out what part of the body's not working it's still just looking at where the

1359
01:18:20.430 --> 01:18:21.000
club is in

1360
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:26.550
space compared to the body um so I don't know exactly the story behind him or

1361
01:18:26.550 --> 01:18:27.040
where he's

1362
01:18:27.040 --> 01:18:32.310
gotten them um I know that he gets some good results with them but I know that

1363
01:18:32.310 --> 01:18:33.360
some people

1364
01:18:33.360 --> 01:18:39.000
who have taken the classes don't get the same level of consistent results um so

1365
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:40.960
I personally

1366
01:18:40.960 --> 01:18:47.130
don't use any of his his screens or tests in in the pattern um or in my

1367
01:18:47.130 --> 01:18:48.440
teaching I should

1368
01:18:48.440 --> 01:18:57.650
say um same thing with uh I think it was asked earlier but same thing with um

1369
01:18:57.650 --> 01:19:05.160
right um so

1370
01:19:05.160 --> 01:19:12.470
dry fold um can we go back to Robbie's golfer um well let me answer this last

1371
01:19:12.470 --> 01:19:13.640
one so then

1372
01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:18.320
I don't have to come back to this page and then we'll go back to Robbie's gol

1373
01:19:18.320 --> 01:19:18.840
fer um how

1374
01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:24.240
can you load into the ground on the way down without pushing up out of it um so

1375
01:19:24.240 --> 01:19:25.520
the the

1376
01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:32.560
simple answer is uh you can push against the ground but that doesn't mean that

1377
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:33.120
you would

1378
01:19:33.120 --> 01:19:41.010
have to go up so um you know if I'm if I'm squatting then I'm pushing against

1379
01:19:41.010 --> 01:19:42.240
the ground

1380
01:19:42.240 --> 01:19:46.680
as I'm lowering and then I push against the ground with more force than I am

1381
01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:47.400
lowering

1382
01:19:47.400 --> 01:19:52.450
and that stops me and then I push and with more force than my body pushing down

1383
01:19:52.450 --> 01:19:52.880
and I

1384
01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:58.980
start to move back up now what can happen is uh when I push with that lead leg

1385
01:19:58.980 --> 01:19:59.720
because

1386
01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:05.490
my upper body is behind it that lead leg push can help extend the hip and the

1387
01:20:05.490 --> 01:20:06.480
extension

1388
01:20:06.480 --> 01:20:13.060
of the the hip can help create some rib cage rotation so I can create more body

1389
01:20:13.060 --> 01:20:14.000
rotation

1390
01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:19.400
from pushing into the ground uh it doesn't necessarily have to create an upward

1391
01:20:19.400 --> 01:20:20.120
movement

1392
01:20:20.120 --> 01:20:28.440
it frequently does but it doesn't it doesn't have to um so the main muscles

1393
01:20:28.440 --> 01:20:29.920
that will push

1394
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:35.640
against the ground or my quads and my thighs um my hips and uh a little bit

1395
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:36.840
from my trunk

1396
01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:43.330
pushing uh down into that foot um but then when I start pushing up out of it

1397
01:20:43.330 --> 01:20:44.200
for many

1398
01:20:44.200 --> 01:20:48.500
golfers that up out of it becomes more of a side side bend rotation not

1399
01:20:48.500 --> 01:20:49.480
necessarily a

1400
01:20:49.480 --> 01:20:55.920
vertical movement um and so that's why it doesn't necessarily look that way um

1401
01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:56.560
for many

1402
01:20:56.560 --> 01:21:02.400
golfers um but uh I don't think I totally answered your question about uh

1403
01:21:02.400 --> 01:21:03.380
misconception

1404
01:21:03.380 --> 01:21:07.890
on seeing the squatting move of staying more back on the trail foot um yes one

1405
01:21:07.890 --> 01:21:08.680
of the issues

1406
01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:13.370
I see with the squatting move is that they tend to kind of squat down in place

1407
01:21:13.370 --> 01:21:13.840
instead

1408
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:20.190
of it's more like a lateral lunge than it is like a squat and so when you think

1409
01:21:20.190 --> 01:21:20.840
squat

1410
01:21:20.840 --> 01:21:26.060
um oftentimes you don't have enough of the lateral shift which is why I

1411
01:21:26.060 --> 01:21:27.220
emphasize the

1412
01:21:27.220 --> 01:21:40.610
um back 45 or the Jackson 5 move okay so um going back to uh Robbie's golfer so

1413
01:21:40.610 --> 01:21:40.680
um

1414
01:21:40.680 --> 01:21:48.980
wasn't the student doing uh coronal adduction instead of um transverse ad

1415
01:21:48.980 --> 01:21:50.520
duction uh so

1416
01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:55.600
on the way down this is where I would I would separate the arms that's why I

1417
01:21:55.600 --> 01:21:56.960
would do um

1418
01:21:56.960 --> 01:22:02.180
if I was working with him in in person I would do a single arm uh release trail

1419
01:22:02.180 --> 01:22:02.760
so I would

1420
01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:07.170
look at the right arm and the left arm because this pattern here could be more

1421
01:22:07.170 --> 01:22:07.920
of a dysfunction

1422
01:22:07.920 --> 01:22:11.870
of what's happening at the the uh right arm or it could be a dysfunction of

1423
01:22:11.870 --> 01:22:13.240
what's happening

1424
01:22:13.240 --> 01:22:17.540
at the left arm he's definitely going into what I would call more internal

1425
01:22:17.540 --> 01:22:19.400
rotation and

1426
01:22:19.400 --> 01:22:25.960
not having enough um adduction uh but I also think that that left forearm is

1427
01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:26.400
totally out

1428
01:22:26.400 --> 01:22:33.280
of position as well um and that left forearm not having enough um uh pronation

1429
01:22:33.280 --> 01:22:34.040
at that

1430
01:22:34.040 --> 01:22:41.480
point uh could account for the the path and the club difference as well um so

1431
01:22:41.480 --> 01:22:43.800
uh you could

1432
01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:48.140
you could go after the shoulder I would I would break it up so that I could see

1433
01:22:48.140 --> 01:22:49.960
which arm reveals

1434
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:55.650
more of the pattern either one or both um and then uh try to intervene from

1435
01:22:55.650 --> 01:22:58.120
there um but yes

1436
01:22:58.120 --> 01:23:05.410
the the shoulder is out of position just as much as the forearm okay and then I

1437
01:23:05.410 --> 01:23:08.040
had a few um

1438
01:23:08.040 --> 01:23:15.040
questions from Chris uh so some golfers teach going from external rotation to

1439
01:23:15.040 --> 01:23:15.960
internal rotation

1440
01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:22.040
with the right arm shoulder is the fastest producer of speed um right arm ad

1441
01:23:22.040 --> 01:23:23.480
duction thoughts so

1442
01:23:23.480 --> 01:23:32.120
um that's a that's a tricky one mostly because I don't have a ton of good

1443
01:23:32.120 --> 01:23:33.800
shoulder data um the

1444
01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:38.970
only one I know who collects shoulder data is quan um and he's got kind of a

1445
01:23:38.970 --> 01:23:40.440
limited pool and

1446
01:23:40.440 --> 01:23:47.950
I don't have nearly enough to look at and make any real um conclusions but the

1447
01:23:47.950 --> 01:23:49.240
that makes sense

1448
01:23:49.240 --> 01:23:56.240
from more of a shoulder perspective but when you start to take your um when you

1449
01:23:56.240 --> 01:23:57.880
take your right arm

1450
01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:04.370
from external to internal typically you're going to stop your ribcage and you

1451
01:24:04.370 --> 01:24:05.320
're going to stop your

1452
01:24:05.320 --> 01:24:11.720
body's rotation um so while it may produce faster speed I think it pre produces

1453
01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:13.320
a tougher

1454
01:24:13.320 --> 01:24:18.070
low point control I think it produces a tougher path um and I think it produces

1455
01:24:18.070 --> 01:24:19.400
more face change so

1456
01:24:20.760 --> 01:24:26.020
I don't know that the extra speed is worth worth the extra chaos um unless you

1457
01:24:26.020 --> 01:24:28.040
're uh training for

1458
01:24:28.040 --> 01:24:31.950
more of a long drive pattern and even then I I don't know that it's the best

1459
01:24:31.950 --> 01:24:33.560
way I would I think

1460
01:24:33.560 --> 01:24:41.170
it's more of a a feel versus a reel um two is there a default fulcrum between

1461
01:24:41.170 --> 01:24:42.840
the right and left hand

1462
01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:47.520
on the handle the club with bracing with the handle transfer speed so similar

1463
01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:50.280
to the your idea about

1464
01:24:50.280 --> 01:24:57.820
external versus internal rotation um yes in theory if I were to stop the handle

1465
01:24:57.820 --> 01:24:58.920
of the club I could

1466
01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:05.020
get more speed at the bottom but I would also have a lot of loft change um and

1467
01:25:05.020 --> 01:25:07.240
I would have a really

1468
01:25:07.240 --> 01:25:14.750
difficult time producing a flat spot so it might sacrifice my consistency of

1469
01:25:14.750 --> 01:25:16.200
contact in my face

1470
01:25:16.200 --> 01:25:22.600
control um so even if I got you know an extra mile or so I don't know that it

1471
01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:23.560
would be worth it

1472
01:25:23.560 --> 01:25:27.360
because I don't know that it would translate into improved performance or

1473
01:25:27.360 --> 01:25:28.040
better golf

1474
01:25:28.040 --> 01:25:40.080
typically what what I see is that the the grip continues moving um so the fulcr

1475
01:25:40.080 --> 01:25:40.680
um is a

1476
01:25:40.680 --> 01:25:46.760
little bit higher up somewhere between the grip and the spine not necessarily

1477
01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:47.480
all the way down

1478
01:25:47.480 --> 01:25:53.140
at the grip um but in theory yes bracing it would transfer speed better in in

1479
01:25:53.140 --> 01:25:54.840
theory um if

1480
01:25:54.840 --> 01:26:01.340
you're trying to create maximum speed you wouldn't want to have uh like angles

1481
01:26:01.340 --> 01:26:03.080
and and length left in

1482
01:26:03.080 --> 01:26:08.780
the um left in the tank so like in theory to create maximum speed you would

1483
01:26:08.780 --> 01:26:10.360
want your trail arm and

1484
01:26:10.360 --> 01:26:15.560
trail wrist perfectly straight at impact you wouldn't want them to be uh bent

1485
01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:18.520
so um I think that some

1486
01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:25.980
of the things that we do as a compromise of speed and direction uh limit our

1487
01:26:25.980 --> 01:26:27.560
ability to create

1488
01:26:27.560 --> 01:26:32.240
maximum speed but give us better distance because of uh the the object that we

1489
01:26:32.240 --> 01:26:33.160
're forced to use

1490
01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:39.820
can I give a detailed uh presentation on transferring speed from the handle to

1491
01:26:39.820 --> 01:26:41.880
the club head so um

1492
01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:46.230
I'll probably work that into another where I'll use some 3D graphs but uh

1493
01:26:46.230 --> 01:26:49.640
basically the transferring

1494
01:26:49.640 --> 01:26:55.960
one of the interesting things in golf is that um amateurs and pros roughly get

1495
01:26:55.960 --> 01:26:57.240
the the grip

1496
01:26:57.240 --> 01:27:03.400
moving at about the same speed miles per hour um but pros typically transfer

1497
01:27:03.400 --> 01:27:05.080
that speed or convert

1498
01:27:05.080 --> 01:27:10.760
that speed into a lot more um angular speed at the club head um where amateurs

1499
01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:11.480
typically get a

1500
01:27:11.480 --> 01:27:16.890
lot less of it so that indicates that it's not necessarily just the ability to

1501
01:27:16.890 --> 01:27:18.040
create speed but

1502
01:27:18.040 --> 01:27:23.630
it's the ability to transfer or um deliver that speed from the handle to the

1503
01:27:23.630 --> 01:27:24.760
club head that's the

1504
01:27:24.760 --> 01:27:29.680
real differentiator um compare that to you know throwing a ball as the classic

1505
01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:30.680
example where

1506
01:27:32.120 --> 01:27:35.800
in order to throw a baseball 100 miles an hour you've got to get your hand

1507
01:27:35.800 --> 01:27:36.760
throwing going 100

1508
01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:44.680
miles an hour um and very few people are capable of doing that well uh pros

1509
01:27:44.680 --> 01:27:45.960
might swing the handle

1510
01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:49.690
only one or two miles per hour faster than amateurs but they might swing the

1511
01:27:49.690 --> 01:27:51.320
club head you know 10

1512
01:27:51.320 --> 01:27:56.590
to 20 or more miles per hour faster so it's more about the transferring of

1513
01:27:56.590 --> 01:27:58.280
speed so to transfer the

1514
01:27:58.280 --> 01:28:04.770
speed um supination and ulnar deviation seem to be the um most important too

1515
01:28:04.770 --> 01:28:06.360
for uh transferring speed

1516
01:28:06.360 --> 01:28:10.570
from the handle to a club head if you do it more flexion extension then you

1517
01:28:10.570 --> 01:28:12.120
have a big radius change

1518
01:28:12.120 --> 01:28:16.880
and you have a big loft change um if you do it pronation supination you tend to

1519
01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:17.560
have more

1520
01:28:17.560 --> 01:28:24.530
of uh the uh face angle change um but you tend to not have a radius change if

1521
01:28:24.530 --> 01:28:25.240
you do it more

1522
01:28:25.240 --> 01:28:28.970
ulnar deviation you tend to not have a lot of club face change but you tend to

1523
01:28:28.970 --> 01:28:29.960
have a radius

1524
01:28:29.960 --> 01:28:36.530
change so I think those two blend a more consistent radius and a better club

1525
01:28:36.530 --> 01:28:39.880
face control um and

1526
01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:47.160
if you look at your muscle fiber size um supination is one of our strongest and

1527
01:28:47.160 --> 01:28:48.360
most powerful movements

1528
01:28:48.360 --> 01:28:54.650
that's why um for right hander you've got righty tighty and lefty loosey um so

1529
01:28:54.650 --> 01:28:55.480
they made it so

1530
01:28:55.480 --> 01:29:00.570
that supination was the loosening movement because you you would have to be

1531
01:29:00.570 --> 01:29:03.080
able to loosen like if

1532
01:29:03.080 --> 01:29:06.180
you could tighten it more than you could loosen it you'd never be able to get

1533
01:29:06.180 --> 01:29:07.000
something undone

1534
01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:14.360
so they made the strongest movement which is um the supination pattern uh the

1535
01:29:14.360 --> 01:29:16.760
loosening pattern if I

1536
01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:22.360
remember right um but supination uh we typically have more muscle mass related

1537
01:29:22.360 --> 01:29:23.720
to supination than

1538
01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:29.380
pronation so uh if we're looking at back to one of the questions of the big

1539
01:29:29.380 --> 01:29:30.680
muscles the big muscles

1540
01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:35.000
of the forearm would be more in supination than it would be in uh pronation

1541
01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:47.160
okay um I see one other question would the dst training club help awareness of

1542
01:29:47.160 --> 01:29:47.640
the

1543
01:29:47.640 --> 01:29:58.400
white movement um possibly I think that the uh the dst I feel when I've only

1544
01:29:58.400 --> 01:30:00.200
swung it uh you know

1545
01:30:00.200 --> 01:30:05.340
a handful of times um I felt like it gave more of an awareness of shallowing in

1546
01:30:05.340 --> 01:30:06.920
transition um

1547
01:30:06.920 --> 01:30:14.680
then a whole lot of release training but um I think you could use it to elevate

1548
01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:15.240
the person's

1549
01:30:15.240 --> 01:30:19.480
awareness of the white movement uh certainly