Phases of the Swing - Downswing

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All right, so in today's topics, we're going to look at the 3D of the downswing

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, and we're

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going to look at kind of how do you organize the plan for your golfers.

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So basically, what are you going to do in season?

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What are you going to do off season?

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Is there really an off season, et cetera?

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And then we've got a few coaches' questions.

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If you have any questions, because we're going to cover a whole lot here, if

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you have

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any questions, need me to repeat something, go ahead and type it into the chat.

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I'll have that over on the other monitor and check that periodically.

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So essentially, we're going to take a look at the downswing.

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And the downswing is, I break it down into two different phases.

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So phase one is when you're creating speed or building up power.

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And then phase two is when you're transferring that power.

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So I call the bridge between those two positions a delivery position, as we see

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, which we can

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see over here.

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It's a little different for every golfer.

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So I pick delivery position based on when that lead upper arm segment is

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reaching its

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maximum speed.

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This also coincides with when the grip is reaching its maximum speed linearly.

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So this is where the grip will be 25, 28 miles per hour for fast swingers.

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And then they're going to transfer all that grip speed into club head speed by

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going more

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rotationally or angularly.

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There are a couple other things that are happening at this point in time.

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The pelvis is kind of back into its neutral position usually.

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So it's pretty square, it's pretty level.

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The upper body has reached its maximum flex, and now it's going to start going

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into extension.

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So this is essentially where the start of the bracing pattern will happen.

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And from talking with one club fitter, he said this is right around the time

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when you'll

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see maximum deformation in the club.

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I haven't seen that one personally, so I don't know if that's 100% true, but

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perhaps some

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of those who are looking at the timing of shaft flex would be able to confirm

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that at

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some point.

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But I think this is kind of a really good breaking point for having a

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discussion of what's going

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on in the downswing.

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So in the first phase in transition, we're going to look at the body movements.

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So the Jackson 5 and the sequencing and creating the rotational speed with the

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body.

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And then the arm movements that allow for that to happen, so looking at arm

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shallowing,

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the start of the wipe, you'll see that the wipe is in both categories because

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it kind

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of bridges the whole downswing.

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Then also looking at club face control or the motorcycle, as well as looking at

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staying

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in your posture or the left tilt.

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Then when we get into the release phase, this is now how do I take that energy

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in the grip

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and transfer it all to the club head.

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This is where you'll see some key wrist movements, so the unhinge, the amount

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of flexion extension

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and looking at the supination pattern.

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That's going to relate to the bracing, which we saw starts at that delivery

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position, the

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arc width and the timing of the arm extension and then continuing with the wipe

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So my plan is that we'll go through these graphs in a little bit more of a case

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study

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fashion and kind of talk through how one particular golfer, how all the pieces

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kind of fit together,

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look at their downswing in the two different phases.

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But in your PowerPoint that you'll be able to look at, I've got three different

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screenshots

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for each golfer.

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So the first one, the screenshot is when the pelvis is roughly changing

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direction.

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So this could be thought of as the start of the downswing, if you wanted to see

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any of

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the numbers there.

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Then I've got them at their delivery position and then I've got them at impact.

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So you'll be able to see some of the key numbers and changes at those different

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points in the

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phase.

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All right, so now hopefully this is where we realized we didn't have audio last

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time.

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Hopefully it all works out good here.

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Okay, so let me pull up our first pro, and this is my default look when I'm

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just kind

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of taking a snapshot of a golfer for the first time.

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These are all of the important graphs that I want to be able to see.

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So this is again a longer hitter on tour.

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Let's kind of jump through and look at these different pieces.

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So first thing, if we're looking at the Jackson five, we're basically looking

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at the timing

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when the lower body goes from shifting away to shifting towards.

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So this is the lateral movement.

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And on this pelvis graph, you're basically looking for when it's starting to go

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up and

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you can compare that to the rotational movement of the kinematic sequence and

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basically looking

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at when the rotational movement is starting to happen.

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So if I take this to the top of the backswing and then I work backward, so

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negative.

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So right there is where the first positive pelvis rotation speed is.

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So that means he's starting to rotate towards the target.

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And if we go over here, we can clearly see that the lateral movement has

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happened well

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before the initiation of the rotational movement.

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So that relationship there, it doesn't show up quite as often as you would

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think with

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amateurs.

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They'll usually have lateral before rotational, but when you find that they go

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rotational

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before lateral, it does create some pretty big problems and it's a pretty

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significant

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change when you get someone to finally start getting lateral first, the little

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shift before

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rotation.

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From the, if we're now looking at the arm shallowing, if you recall, that's

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where we

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jump over to look at the loading of the wrist in the downswing, especially the

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lead arm.

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So the blue line is going to look at the rotations and the blue line here, oh,

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sorry, it does

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this occasionally.

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All right.

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So the blue line is going to be looking at the left arm pronation, supination,

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and you'll

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see here in transition that the left arm is going to be pronating or shallowing

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during

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this early part of the downswing.

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We could also, we'll come back to arc width.

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We could also look at the lead shoulder lift, which isn't one of my defaults,

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but we talked

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about it in the arm shallowing, did I miss it there?

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There it is.

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So you can look at lead shoulder lift to see how much they are, the timing of

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when they

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start pulling down.

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So typical golfers who are getting steepening or creating more of the speed

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with their arms,

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this will start pulling down almost right away.

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So you can see this golfer is keeping that arm up all the way through there.

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So significant enough that they're probably getting the center of mass of the

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club to

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then drop down, because that's a little shallowing move.

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And then right when they start to pull down, they're getting a little bit more

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of that

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arm shallowing from rotation, and you'll see that arm shallowing is going all

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the way down

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until about their delivery position, just a little short of it.

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So then the next piece would be, we'll jump and we'll look at the left tilt.

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So the left tilt is just a phrase I use for kind of staying in your posture.

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And there's two different pieces that you could look at.

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Both of them would be from the upper body perspective on the torso.

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So this golfer doesn't actually have a lot of left tilt.

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Many golfers will actually continue their side bend until late in the downswing

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So the other place where you can see maintaining your posture would be looking

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at the amount

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of forward bend and just noticing if they reach more forward bend during the

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downswing

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than they had it set up.

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And so with this golfer, you can pretty easily see that they are reaching more

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of a forward

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bend, it's above that line where the starting position and the amount of flex

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ion is below.

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So this pros checking off all the boxes, let's look at the wipe.

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So as I talked about in the video or the webinar where we actually kind of dug

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into the wipe

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a little bit, there's a few different ways to look at it.

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But the wipe is basically how a golfer is applying force to the club and trying

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to get

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that force to be more kind of around their body or rotationally as opposed to

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down at

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the golf ball or more of the couple or more kind of arm and hand motion.

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And so a couple different ways that you'll see that is through there.

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You'll see as they're crossing delivery position and beginning to get into the

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release, you

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will see the arm separate a little bit as the left arm is pulling and as the

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club is moving

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more across their body instead of down.

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So that shows up usually in one of a couple different places that shows up in a

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reflexing

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of the left arm.

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So this golfer you can see has that left arm whip where basically right around

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there,

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the arm is now, the left arm is now going to start bending as this arm will

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pull across

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towards the target.

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So it's bending all the way through there as a way to kind of use the shoulder

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muscles

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to pull the arm across and then it will start straightening through there to

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kind of transfer

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that energy and almost kind of ride the momentum into more of a kind of free

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swinging release.

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So the club is helping straighten the arm through there after they pulled it

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across,

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which is why I call that the wipe or the lead arm whip.

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This graph here is looking at the separation between the arms.

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And so golfers who have this wipe movement will typically have either a plateau

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in the

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downswing or this golfer who does it a lot will tend to have actually a second

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peak.

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So the space between the elbows is getting closer and then right through here,

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that same

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phase, the space between the elbows is getting wider and then it will get

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massively closer

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down through the release.

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That's that arm extension piece that I talked about in the second, the phase

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two, the release.

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Okay, the last piece where we can see the wipe is looking at the trail wrist

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angles.

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And typically what you'll see is a radial increase mid downswing.

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Now remember the hands are facing slightly different.

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So the hands won't 100% match each other.

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And what you'll see mid downswing is the shallowing is happening more from sup

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ination.

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So the, the increased hinge here is what allows the golfer to pull the club

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across more horizontally.

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So if you imagine here, if I, if I froze everything in space and increase the

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hinge,

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the club would just go up, but because the left arm is pulling at the same time

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, the

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club will work across the screen that way instead of more down that way.

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So just through there that gets the club or the grip moving more across the

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body so that

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then when the momentum of the club is pulling on the hands, it's going to be

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directed out

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in front of the body with a pretty good flat spot.

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And then lastly looking at the motorcycle, typically we'll look at the left

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wrist, which

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you can also look at the right wrist.

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So in transition, you want to see some increasing of that trail wrist extension

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and lead wrist

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flexion. So the green lines in the two arm graphs.

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So the green line here starting to go up, just looking at that timing and the

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rate.

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So this golfer has a motorcycle movement that happens before they transition.

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And then the increase in the extension, when you see like a really big dip like

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that, that

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will typically be associated with more trail wrist power, kind of a really good

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stretch

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shortened cycle in that trail wrist.

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So this golfer checks all the boxes.

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Little bit, didn't have 100% in the left tilt category, but got it more from

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flexion, but

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had really good shallowing as well as wipe, as well as motorcycle, as well as

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sequencing.

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So now we'll see if we take a look at the release components, we'll see how all

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those

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kind of fit together or where we go to investigate.

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So the arm extension piece, we'll just go down the list, the arm extension

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piece is going

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to show up primarily in the elbow extension and the elbow separation graph.

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So you'll see the arms reaching their straightest position well after impact.

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So you'll see a pretty clear arm straightening pattern where there's no real

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slope change

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or hiccups between basically between there and there.

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Those arms are straightening and you'll see if we go even further, the elbows

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are getting

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closest together all the way until there.

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So I think of that as I've created all the speed and now the club is going to

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be pulling

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my arms into their straightest position if I have the arms soft enough to let

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them.

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But it's not necessarily a really active movement like I'm pushing the club.

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It's more like the club has so much speed that it's pulling me into that

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position.

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Part of that is going to come from the next piece which is looking at bracing.

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So the bracing will show up in a couple different ways depending on what you

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got access to but

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where I'm usually looking at their bracing pattern is first I'll check the pel

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vis and

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the thorax linear directions, so the sway slide.

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And so what I'm looking for is on this pelvis position graph having more of a

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flat line

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through impact as opposed to a continued slope.

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This golfer has a little bit more of a buckle or a slide so it's not the most

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efficient

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bracing pattern but it's not bad.

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And then I'm looking at the upper body moving away from the target and

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basically how much.

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So this golfer, let's say that's somewhere around 2 inches and then so this gol

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fer is

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moving about 5 inches away from the target between, that's going to be pretty

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close to

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delivery position.

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So just before delivery position and then going all the way until that position

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there.

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So essentially the release is the upper body moving away as the arms are moving

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towards

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the target.

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The other piece where I'll look at the bracing position is the classic kinem

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atic sequence

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and this gets us into the chest turning, chest rotation which so if I'm looking

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at it from

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the kinematic sequence perspective, I'm looking at how well these lines are de

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celerating.

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This pattern here is a common one that you'll see with better golfers where

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through impact

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the thing moving the fastest is the chest turning.

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So the hips have slowed down, the arms have slowed down, the body is continuing

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to turn

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with the club but the arms have transferred all their speed and the body has or

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the lower

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body has decelerated pretty well at the same time.

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So I would say this golfer has a pretty good, even though there's a little bit

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of a slide

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the kinematic sequence doesn't show a massive slide problem so it's still

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showing up as

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a really good bracing pattern.

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Now you all know my favorite graph, the arc width graph which we took away when

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I brought

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up the lead shoulder so let me pull that up.

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So the arc width graph is kind of looking at the flat spot or how long this

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club stays

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in its widest position.

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I'd like to see it further away through impact than it was at the setup and

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having a pretty

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decent plateau.

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This is highly related to that bracing pattern and this is highly related to

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the wipe or the

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arm extension.

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It's going to be connected to your side bend move as well but the more

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important ones are

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the arm extension position, the timing of the wrist movements and the bracing

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pattern.

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So which now gets us into those key wrist movements.

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So through impact there's a fair amount of variability or variety so I don't

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teach necessarily

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just one pattern but some of the more common things that I'm looking at are the

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timing

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and the amount of the unhinge.

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So with the red line reaching its maximum unhinge after impact I know that some

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stuff

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coming out from hack motion has shown their changing direction close to impact.

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I've got a buddy, we're going to do some testing with that and try to uncover

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where

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the discrepancy is coming in.

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One real big possibility is I know it's at a different frame rate compared to

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AMN so

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it's at 100 hertz instead of 240 that could relate or I think it could be with

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the way

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that the sensor is attached to the grip but I rarely see, in fact I can't think

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of any

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good players where the club is starting to rehinge right at impact but you'll

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see that

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with the amateurs periodically.

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So then the flexion extension change, that's the flying wedge and one of the

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key components

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to getting shaft lean which is wherever they start you want to see more

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motorcycle at impact.

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So at impact this golfer had 25 degrees of trail wrist extension and 0 degrees

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of flexion

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so the left wrist was pretty much flat but at impact or sorry at setup the gol

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fer was

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almost the opposite, 25 degrees of extension of the lead wrist and 2 degrees of

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flexion

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of the trail wrist.

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So during the downswing with all these loading and unloading you will see that

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they are making

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contact with the club 25 degrees more rotated in the left wrist and the right

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wrist.

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I think that's one of the more important pieces for iron play for solid contact

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, it's not

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necessarily the most important thing for the driver.

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And then the last piece would be looking at the supination and basically I'm

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looking for

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a smooth gradual curve covering 120 to 140 degrees so here you'll see where I

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get that

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idea of the smooth kind of consistent transition where essentially from right

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around there

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here in the downswing delivery position or close to it all the way until there

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you have

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a pretty smooth rate of supination so it's pretty consistent and somewhat

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gradual.

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What you'll typically see is golfers you have a little bit more of a scoop flip

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might start

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it earlier or later but they'll typically have a really big spike at impact and

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then

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they won't cover as much range of motion.

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So I know I cover a lot of things on the website as far as some of these key

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components but

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I think that visualizing the graphs makes it easier to see how these pieces all

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fit together.

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So I spent more time on that first one just to make sure that we're on the same

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page and

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now we'll go through a few more where we can look for some of these anomalies

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or how these

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pieces kind of fit together so we'll do this one a little bit quicker.

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Okay so quick scan on the downswing I'll usually look at kind of the overall

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shape so arc

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width and wipe showing up first.

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So he's got a little plateau he's got the width afterward he's got some club

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rotation

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in the actual velocity so although overall pieces are there.

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Now let's look at some of these details so we can see pelvis changing direction

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right

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around there that's well before top of the top of the swing it's pretty clear

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that he's

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got that sequencing happening if we will look at the kinematic sequence he

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transfers his

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lower body quite early so let's just see just for argument sake.

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So right here this frame here is the first time that the golfer's pelvis is

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rotating

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in the positive direction you can see how I was just kind of monitoring that so

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that

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means all that right there the pelvis is already changing direction as his arms

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are

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setting that's that's a fair amount that's quite early but I'm not sure if you

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saw if

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I go back to that position that first frame right there you can see the pelvis

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is changing

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direction well before that so that would be the Jackson five move and kind of

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getting

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the pelvis to initiate that change direction now if we look at the shallow

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pieces we'll

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see a nice smooth shallowing here as well as a sign of shallowing in the trail

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wrist

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we talked about that in the the trail form also pronating is a sign of going

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into internal

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rotation of the shoulder so you'll see that this golfer's got a pretty decent

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shallow

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move good you could see that down there and then the motorcycle move we can

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look at the

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green line real quick alright he's got the motorcycle piece good if we look at

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the left

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tilt there's another I happen to pick two examples this time who don't do the

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best left

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tilt but he gets more of the regaining flexion more from the forward bend than

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from the side

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tilt so he's he's kind of getting a little extra shallow body movements that

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could be

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because he has a little bit more of the radial deviation so he's kind of he's

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not really

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starting that unhinged quite as early as a lot of other golfers he's um so that

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creates

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a steepening and he needs to shallow that out that's commonly done with the

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spine there

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okay if we jump into the downswing we saw though the wipe was going to be

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pretty good

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looking from this perspective now we can just look in well where is he getting

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the the

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wipe there's a little plateau with the left arm and no real wipe in the trail

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wrist so

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if we look at it it's going to look on the lighter side as far as the wipe goes

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it's

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not going to look like it has a really massive movement across the ball but it

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's he's doing

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it more with that left arm than he is doing with the right arm then we've got

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the arm

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extension piece which we get from the arm the elbow separation graph as well as

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the

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elbow extension we can see both of those are straightening really nicely which

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creates

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a pretty good looking arc with pattern over there so then if we look at the br

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acing we

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can see a pretty good plateau so even though though this golfer had some sway

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off the ball

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that's a really good plateau there so that piece is bracing pretty well if we

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look at

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the kinematic sequence so kinematic sequence I would say he could improve his

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bracing because

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it's more kind of flatlined through impact now I did put this I did code this

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as a longer

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hitter but I would say from the kinematic sequence bracing perspective it's not

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the best and

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that could let's dig into explore why he might be not bracing quite as well so

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if we

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look at let's go to impact look at the body real quick so I'm scanning to see

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what might

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be out of the ordinary he's a little late in his spine extension so that could

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relate

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to the bracing pattern rotations look fine the side bends he's a little under

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side bent

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in terms of the spine that's a lot of side bend for the pelvis for that little

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side bend

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at impact so that could show up he's a little light if you remember with the

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last example

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I talked about the upper body moving backward you know somewhere in that four

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or five even

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up to six inches I think Rory's like eight and you'll see that with his bracing

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right

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around there is the the most he's away from the target after impact so that's

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two inches

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and you can see that where he starts his bracing so he's only moving about two

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inches away so

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that's part of why you would see the arms have a little bit more speed through

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here because

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the the shoulder is basically going to be pulling it through when the upper

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body is not falling

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away so that's what a good source of where we're seeing his bracing kind of

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breaking

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down so this is where I would always start with the investigation so what are

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we what

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problem are we trying to solve if it was relating more to say flat spot and

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consistency off the

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tee or if he was having you know more of a kind of thin mispattern there's a

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little

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bit of this upper body is not hanging backward and so as a result the arms can

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't wipe forward

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quite as much so that's where his two pieces kind of show up as we're scanning

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through

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more in the bracing in wipe category supination looks good flexion of the wrist

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looks good

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timing of the or amount of ulnar deviation through the ball all looks good I

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see a couple

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questions coming in so I'll I'll check those before we move on to a couple am

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ateurs so

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Fred asking let's go to the chat is there a strong relationship between the

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amount the

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hands move from low to high and ball striking so here's the the challenge is on

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amm I don't

514
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:43.420
get the amount all I get is the speed so I can't really I don't know if there's

515
00:33:43.420 --> 00:33:44.480
a relationship

516
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:51.960
between the amount there's a small relationship between the speed it's just

517
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:52.960
more making sure

518
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:58.410
that it is going in that pattern rather than how much and how fast also is

519
00:33:58.410 --> 00:33:59.560
there a relationship

520
00:33:59.560 --> 00:34:07.750
between how low the hands move before the waist move below the waist and ball

521
00:34:07.750 --> 00:34:08.880
striking

522
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:14.420
again is the same thing I don't have the amount but you can reverse engineer it

523
00:34:14.420 --> 00:34:15.760
if the club

524
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:23.340
is a fixed length so where do I so the the club is a fixed length so that means

525
00:34:23.340 --> 00:34:24.160
if it's

526
00:34:24.160 --> 00:34:33.200
coming up into impact then the grip had to be lower on its in order for it to

527
00:34:33.200 --> 00:34:34.320
do so basically

528
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:39.200
I could have it in this position a lot of different ways I could have it go let

529
00:34:39.200 --> 00:34:39.480
's see

530
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:44.260
we'll put this as a marker I could go down into it I could go up into it I

531
00:34:44.260 --> 00:34:45.240
could rotate

532
00:34:45.240 --> 00:34:51.480
more into it there are lots of different ways I could get into that specific

533
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:52.280
position and

534
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:57.770
some of them will breed more consistency basically having a little bit more

535
00:34:57.770 --> 00:34:59.240
kind of that pattern

536
00:34:59.240 --> 00:35:05.020
instead of kind of going back that way or going down that way would tend to

537
00:35:05.020 --> 00:35:05.720
yield more

538
00:35:05.720 --> 00:35:12.170
consistent turf interaction second question after your book publication do now

539
00:35:12.170 --> 00:35:13.160
do you have

540
00:35:13.160 --> 00:35:19.050
any new discoveries that you would add slash any updates you would make remind

541
00:35:19.050 --> 00:35:20.040
let's I can

542
00:35:20.040 --> 00:35:26.280
talk a little bit about that at the at the end so when I get into the Q&A I'll

543
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:27.120
discuss

544
00:35:27.120 --> 00:35:33.490
that and basically what I'm working on with the content organization going on

545
00:35:33.490 --> 00:35:34.280
with the

546
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:44.340
site so let me jump back to let's look at a couple amateurs like I said the

547
00:35:44.340 --> 00:35:45.280
downswing

548
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:51.580
can take a little while to go through each one but once you get good at looking

549
00:35:51.580 --> 00:35:52.320
at these

550
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:57.320
you can usually kind of get the snapshot of a golfer in five minutes ten

551
00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:58.080
minutes or

552
00:35:58.080 --> 00:36:16.120
so okay so as this is loading up little background he's about a ten handicap

553
00:36:16.120 --> 00:36:16.440
longer

554
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:23.090
hitter so but not very good off the tee that was his main issue as a longer

555
00:36:23.090 --> 00:36:24.160
hitter he would

556
00:36:24.160 --> 00:36:32.660
often hit five irons off the tee let me just switch this so he was giving up a

557
00:36:32.660 --> 00:36:34.640
lot of his

558
00:36:34.640 --> 00:36:42.380
length advantage because of his poor driving I'll leave it there and not give

559
00:36:42.380 --> 00:36:43.800
any more details

560
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:48.800
into it all right so if we're jumping through well we can see Jackson five is

561
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:50.400
going to be

562
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:54.880
like that's changing direction well before anything would ever show up here so

563
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:55.400
we know

564
00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:00.540
that he's at least going lateral before rotational and he's got pretty good

565
00:37:00.540 --> 00:37:02.040
sequencing through

566
00:37:02.040 --> 00:37:13.080
there let's look at arm shallowing you can already see before I've zoomed in

567
00:37:13.080 --> 00:37:13.760
neither blue

568
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:21.120
line here is really going down there's maybe a little bit there but not a whole

569
00:37:21.120 --> 00:37:22.400
lot here

570
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:25.570
with the trail rest so that trail shoulder is definitely going into more of a

571
00:37:25.570 --> 00:37:26.160
steepening

572
00:37:26.160 --> 00:37:31.950
pattern so that's kind of caution flag number one especially if we're

573
00:37:31.950 --> 00:37:33.800
struggling with driver

574
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:39.240
and the longer clubs getting a little steep makes a whole lot of sense so now

575
00:37:39.240 --> 00:37:40.720
we look at

576
00:37:40.720 --> 00:37:46.940
the wipe oh boy not a whole lot of wipe going on there's no real plateau so it

577
00:37:46.940 --> 00:37:47.520
's just kind

578
00:37:47.520 --> 00:37:51.510
of and this is a little separate but there's not a whole lot of change he just

579
00:37:51.510 --> 00:37:52.280
kind of locks

580
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:59.600
his arms in straight and then kind of straightens them on the way through if I

581
00:37:59.600 --> 00:38:00.160
'm just looking

582
00:38:00.160 --> 00:38:03.510
at this graph and already jumping ahead to arm extension well at least he has

583
00:38:03.510 --> 00:38:03.920
pretty

584
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:08.060
good arm extension on the way through that's probably part of why he's

585
00:38:08.060 --> 00:38:09.160
consistent with

586
00:38:09.160 --> 00:38:12.990
the other clubs but if he's too steep for the longer clubs that may be the

587
00:38:12.990 --> 00:38:13.600
problem that

588
00:38:13.600 --> 00:38:22.200
we're going to have to try to solve okay looking at the motorcycle nothing in

589
00:38:22.200 --> 00:38:23.000
the trail wrist

590
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:31.300
motorcycle it's limited in the lead wrist motorcycle it's a little late I mean

591
00:38:31.300 --> 00:38:31.680
there's

592
00:38:31.680 --> 00:38:40.890
some it's not it's not nothing but it's not great so so right now I'm thinking

593
00:38:40.890 --> 00:38:41.480
to myself

594
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:51.910
okay in transition really good sequencing or pretty good sequencing but now he

595
00:38:51.910 --> 00:38:52.800
's got

596
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:57.580
limited shallow he's got limited wipe he's got limited motorcycle I'm worried

597
00:38:57.580 --> 00:38:58.080
that this

598
00:38:58.080 --> 00:39:07.390
guy's got some arm training that we're going to have to address so just to let

599
00:39:07.390 --> 00:39:08.620
you guys

600
00:39:08.620 --> 00:39:18.520
see what this swing might look like and I see Fred asked another question so

601
00:39:18.520 --> 00:39:19.200
hopefully

602
00:39:19.200 --> 00:39:26.410
like Fred's question is from all the graphs which top 10 graphs lines you would

603
00:39:26.410 --> 00:39:27.140
refer to

604
00:39:27.140 --> 00:39:33.630
the most for analyzing any swing what I'm going through today is a lot of that

605
00:39:33.630 --> 00:39:34.460
process

606
00:39:34.460 --> 00:39:40.250
so how to kind of think through looking at a golf swing or all the different

607
00:39:40.250 --> 00:39:41.800
pieces I'm

608
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:47.790
I'm basically running through this checklist and then I'm relating that

609
00:39:47.790 --> 00:39:49.240
checklist to what

610
00:39:49.240 --> 00:39:55.480
their main core issues are so which graphs are most important depends are we

611
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:56.100
trying to

612
00:39:56.100 --> 00:40:00.360
improve the driver are we trying to improve low point control are we trying to

613
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:00.880
improve

614
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:06.380
face control are we trying to increase speed what are we doing and then all the

615
00:40:06.380 --> 00:40:06.980
graphs

616
00:40:06.980 --> 00:40:12.230
just give us a little better insight there so right now I'm saying he's just

617
00:40:12.230 --> 00:40:12.820
kind of

618
00:40:12.820 --> 00:40:21.140
locking in his arms and he's not really using the arms very much for control or

619
00:40:21.140 --> 00:40:22.260
power he's

620
00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:25.090
just kind of like locking in his arms and that's a that's going to be a tough

621
00:40:25.090 --> 00:40:25.460
way for

622
00:40:25.460 --> 00:40:30.600
us to create some shallowness alright so now if we jump down let's look at

623
00:40:30.600 --> 00:40:31.820
where his delivery

624
00:40:31.820 --> 00:40:44.280
position is so you'll notice I'm a little so his delivery position is much

625
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:45.200
later than

626
00:40:45.200 --> 00:40:51.720
what we saw with both of those torquros so there's a little bit more of a cast

627
00:40:51.720 --> 00:40:52.560
pattern

628
00:40:52.560 --> 00:40:56.970
and a little bit less efficient energy transfer partly because of what he's

629
00:40:56.970 --> 00:40:57.840
doing with his

630
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:03.170
wrist so because he's not using his wrist he's actually reaching peak speed

631
00:41:03.170 --> 00:41:03.920
later where

632
00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:09.120
you ideally want to reach peak speed as early as you can while still being able

633
00:41:09.120 --> 00:41:09.860
to transfer

634
00:41:09.860 --> 00:41:15.650
effectively all the way to impact if you peak too early then you'll your

635
00:41:15.650 --> 00:41:17.160
transfer will

636
00:41:17.160 --> 00:41:24.640
get damaged a little bit okay so then if we jump to the release aspect alright

637
00:41:24.640 --> 00:41:25.280
we don't

638
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:32.250
seem very much bracing either on the kinematics sequence or on that pelvis

639
00:41:32.250 --> 00:41:33.920
graph and that makes

640
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:38.410
sense because if he's not getting any wipe then you wouldn't be able to brace

641
00:41:38.410 --> 00:41:38.940
or else

642
00:41:38.940 --> 00:41:47.000
he'd hit it fat which this golfer was prone to so then if we look at the arc

643
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:48.140
width from

644
00:41:48.140 --> 00:41:56.150
a consistency standpoint that's a lot of trouble there very little flat spot

645
00:41:56.150 --> 00:41:56.280
you can

646
00:41:56.280 --> 00:42:01.170
see the you know from this face on view golfers would say man you have a good

647
00:42:01.170 --> 00:42:02.280
looking swing

648
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:05.820
I don't understand why it doesn't work because he doesn't really chicken wing

649
00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:06.340
and bend the

650
00:42:06.340 --> 00:42:14.130
arms in fact if anything he he locks them into place and just swings with his

651
00:42:14.130 --> 00:42:14.880
chest

652
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:19.190
we see very little bracing from the upper body we see very little bracing from

653
00:42:19.190 --> 00:42:19.720
the lower

654
00:42:19.720 --> 00:42:26.040
body so this golfer has more of kind of a slide or a lunge through the ball to

655
00:42:26.040 --> 00:42:26.820
control

656
00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:30.770
low point but that doesn't work very well especially comboed with steep arm

657
00:42:30.770 --> 00:42:31.400
movements

658
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:39.020
that we see here also if we jump down to the last three of the wrist he's got a

659
00:42:39.020 --> 00:42:39.340
little

660
00:42:39.340 --> 00:42:46.340
bit of increased you know motorcycle or flexion extension it impact but he has

661
00:42:46.340 --> 00:42:47.500
very little

662
00:42:47.500 --> 00:42:55.290
unhinged so that's also a steep and he's got very little supination remember I

663
00:42:55.290 --> 00:42:55.580
was saying

664
00:42:55.580 --> 00:43:02.950
120 degrees or so if we look at this top left graph he's going from let's say

665
00:43:02.950 --> 00:43:04.280
30 degrees

666
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:09.120
to 60 degrees so he's only got about 90 degrees of left forearm rotation that

667
00:43:09.120 --> 00:43:10.480
he's covering

668
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:21.650
that's not a whole lot so I this is a golfer who would I think would need to do

669
00:43:21.650 --> 00:43:22.040
a fair

670
00:43:22.040 --> 00:43:29.190
amount of arm training in order to reach that kind of next next level good news

671
00:43:29.190 --> 00:43:29.480
is they

672
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:35.110
already know how to create speed so the body movements are are pretty good

673
00:43:35.110 --> 00:43:36.120
there but they

674
00:43:36.120 --> 00:43:40.630
don't know how to transfer that speed and they don't know how to really kind of

675
00:43:40.630 --> 00:43:41.040
snap

676
00:43:41.040 --> 00:43:49.560
the whip with the forearms or or pull on the club more rotationally so that

677
00:43:49.560 --> 00:43:50.760
wipe and arm

678
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:55.960
motion is going to be a big piece of what this golfer needed to train all right

679
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:56.140
let's

680
00:43:56.140 --> 00:44:01.450
look at one more just so you can kind of again see how all these downswing

681
00:44:01.450 --> 00:44:08.560
pieces fit together

682
00:44:08.560 --> 00:44:16.120
but hopefully hopefully this is making sense and you're you're able to see kind

683
00:44:16.120 --> 00:44:16.800
of what

684
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:23.420
I'm going to look at before I pull it up just based on that little checklist we

685
00:44:23.420 --> 00:44:23.840
had

686
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:28.410
at the beginning of what to look at in the early phase of the downswing what to

687
00:44:28.410 --> 00:44:28.820
look

688
00:44:28.820 --> 00:44:34.070
at in the late phase and then potentially I would go back from there to the

689
00:44:34.070 --> 00:44:35.000
backswing

690
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:40.570
in order to kind of clean up or if there's something going on in the backswing

691
00:44:40.570 --> 00:44:41.200
that's

692
00:44:41.200 --> 00:44:44.360
preventing me from doing what I want in the downswing then I would start to

693
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:45.520
clean it up

694
00:44:45.520 --> 00:44:52.120
okay so now we've got this up let's look at the big pieces first so we'll just

695
00:44:52.120 --> 00:44:52.760
start

696
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:59.210
in the middle of the screen for is there a wipe not really how's the there's no

697
00:44:59.210 --> 00:44:59.720
wipe

698
00:44:59.720 --> 00:45:05.960
here is there arm extension he only gets it doesn't reach a greater it's

699
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:07.360
straightening

700
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:11.310
through impact but it doesn't reach a very straight position after impact and

701
00:45:11.310 --> 00:45:11.760
starts

702
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:16.970
bending quickly so this will have a chicken wing look to it the arc width isn't

703
00:45:16.970 --> 00:45:17.520
terrible

704
00:45:17.520 --> 00:45:22.800
so he's probably consistent but we knew that this golfer like just from those

705
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.160
couple pieces

706
00:45:24.160 --> 00:45:30.810
we might think that he's lacking in some speed let's see if we look at the

707
00:45:30.810 --> 00:45:32.840
Jackson five that

708
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:36.040
right there looks like it's changing direction pretty close to the top of the

709
00:45:36.040 --> 00:45:36.680
swing this is

710
00:45:36.680 --> 00:45:43.680
gonna be a photo finish here let's see and I actually don't know the answer but

711
00:45:43.680 --> 00:45:52.240
all right

712
00:45:52.240 --> 00:45:59.460
we may have looks like we got a winner so this frame right here and you can see

713
00:45:59.460 --> 00:46:00.120
I mean

714
00:46:00.120 --> 00:46:06.360
he's an older guy he's he's about a 12 handicap doesn't hit the ball a long way

715
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:06.960
here we can

716
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:13.780
see the lower body is changing direction rotationally right there and then it's

717
00:46:13.780 --> 00:46:15.240
not until this

718
00:46:15.240 --> 00:46:21.480
piece here that it starts to move laterally so this golfer barely has the lower

719
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:22.720
body leading

720
00:46:22.720 --> 00:46:30.850
but it's starting rotation before it starts to shift so this would be a golfer

721
00:46:30.850 --> 00:46:31.560
who I wouldn't

722
00:46:31.560 --> 00:46:35.880
say desperately but could really benefit from some Jackson five training you

723
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:36.760
know this looks

724
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:45.720
like more of your upper body kind of throw in chicken wing on the way through

725
00:46:45.720 --> 00:46:46.560
right you

726
00:46:46.560 --> 00:46:50.980
see that kind of all day long on the lesson tee this is just showing how those

727
00:46:50.980 --> 00:46:51.520
pieces

728
00:46:51.520 --> 00:47:01.470
fit so and if he's got decent motorcycle or club face control which it looks

729
00:47:01.470 --> 00:47:02.880
like he

730
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:07.660
does right so that's definitely more positive that's probably twenty degrees

731
00:47:07.660 --> 00:47:08.620
more positive

732
00:47:08.620 --> 00:47:17.830
at impact so he was zero or one point five and nine so he's got twelve degrees

733
00:47:17.830 --> 00:47:18.820
of trail

734
00:47:18.820 --> 00:47:23.660
wrist extension and sixteen degrees of lead wrist flexion change in the golf

735
00:47:23.660 --> 00:47:24.300
swing that's

736
00:47:24.300 --> 00:47:28.590
not too bad I could work with that so I'd probably start him working on some

737
00:47:28.590 --> 00:47:29.380
sequencing

738
00:47:29.380 --> 00:47:36.860
and some body movements but if we continue to go through let's look so arm

739
00:47:36.860 --> 00:47:38.340
shallowing

740
00:47:38.340 --> 00:47:48.980
just for fun let's pull up that lead shoulder lift so again here's a golfer

741
00:47:48.980 --> 00:47:49.500
where you'll

742
00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:56.500
see no real lift so pulling down steepening of the trail arm and then a late

743
00:47:56.500 --> 00:47:57.420
shallow

744
00:47:57.420 --> 00:48:02.000
you know it's pulling down in transition and then a late shallow kind of as he

745
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:02.620
gets into

746
00:48:02.620 --> 00:48:08.860
the release so steep arm movements pulling with the arms spinning before so no

747
00:48:08.860 --> 00:48:09.580
Jackson

748
00:48:09.580 --> 00:48:15.050
five this guy if I could combine those two amateurs we'd have a you know a very

749
00:48:15.050 --> 00:48:15.520
good

750
00:48:15.520 --> 00:48:19.630
competitive golfer because the other golfer had really good body awareness and

751
00:48:19.630 --> 00:48:20.220
sequence

752
00:48:20.220 --> 00:48:24.460
and not very good arm motion this golfer has good wrist motion I wouldn't say

753
00:48:24.460 --> 00:48:25.060
great arm

754
00:48:25.060 --> 00:48:30.460
motion but they're kind of polar opposites which is part of why I picked them

755
00:48:30.460 --> 00:48:31.060
for you

756
00:48:31.060 --> 00:48:37.870
okay so then if we jump through we already saw no wipe training if we or no

757
00:48:37.870 --> 00:48:39.460
white movement

758
00:48:39.460 --> 00:48:46.070
if we go to bracing plateau they're not a much not much of a recoil or bracing

759
00:48:46.070 --> 00:48:47.060
movement

760
00:48:47.060 --> 00:48:54.870
here and if we look at the kinematic sequence definitely not much tiny bit in

761
00:48:54.870 --> 00:48:55.940
the lower

762
00:48:55.940 --> 00:49:00.210
body not much bracing in the arms that makes sense if those arms are kind of

763
00:49:00.210 --> 00:49:00.940
bending on

764
00:49:00.940 --> 00:49:07.650
the way through so the that's one of the problems with the chicken wing pattern

765
00:49:07.650 --> 00:49:08.060
for

766
00:49:08.060 --> 00:49:15.490
bracing is it it tends to limit the chest turn limits the flat spot and so that

767
00:49:15.490 --> 00:49:16.220
's where

768
00:49:16.220 --> 00:49:27.460
we saw if we look at the arc width we saw that it was consistent but it's wider

769
00:49:27.460 --> 00:49:28.140
it impact

770
00:49:28.140 --> 00:49:31.410
than it so it's it doesn't have a real sharp peak so it's probably consistent

771
00:49:31.410 --> 00:49:32.340
but it's

772
00:49:32.340 --> 00:49:37.550
wider it set up than it was it impact so it's definitely not as flat as it

773
00:49:37.550 --> 00:49:38.500
could be because

774
00:49:38.500 --> 00:49:44.790
wider is going to have you know a slower change of a more shallow bottom and a

775
00:49:44.790 --> 00:49:45.980
slower change

776
00:49:45.980 --> 00:49:51.930
so it tends to be more consistent so chest turning bracing arm extension sup

777
00:49:51.930 --> 00:49:54.140
ination

778
00:49:54.140 --> 00:49:58.280
he's not too bad again his this guy's wrists aren't terrible he's got a good

779
00:49:58.280 --> 00:49:59.020
short game

780
00:49:59.020 --> 00:50:05.340
uses a lot of hands and wrists his flexion extension isn't bad his supination

781
00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:06.140
isn't too

782
00:50:06.140 --> 00:50:16.220
bad his ulnar deviation isn't great you can see the lead wrist peaks just after

783
00:50:16.220 --> 00:50:17.940
impact

784
00:50:17.940 --> 00:50:23.340
and the trail wrist is a little bit later which it normally will be but that's

785
00:50:23.340 --> 00:50:23.540
still

786
00:50:23.540 --> 00:50:29.330
not that that late so he's he's limited in the width component and he's really

787
00:50:29.330 --> 00:50:29.940
limited

788
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:34.390
in the pivot component and we got there you know I would probably start with

789
00:50:34.390 --> 00:50:35.020
some Jackson

790
00:50:35.020 --> 00:50:39.920
5's 5 lower body sequence training to help improve this golfer's downswing

791
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:43.020
pattern yeah

792
00:50:43.020 --> 00:50:47.460
so a couple different pros couple different amateurs just wanted to see how you

793
00:50:47.460 --> 00:50:47.940
can kind

794
00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:51.510
of work through each of those different little pieces and then come up with

795
00:50:51.510 --> 00:50:52.220
well what's the

796
00:50:52.220 --> 00:50:57.340
biggest piece that will influence their overall pattern that they're trying to

797
00:50:57.340 --> 00:50:57.940
change and

798
00:50:57.940 --> 00:51:03.720
that depends a little bit on what they tell you during the interview that's why

799
00:51:03.720 --> 00:51:03.900
one of

800
00:51:03.900 --> 00:51:08.210
my pet peeves is when golfers submit their swings to the site and provide zero

801
00:51:08.210 --> 00:51:09.060
description

802
00:51:09.060 --> 00:51:15.460
I use that just as much as I use the data in deciding what we need to work on

803
00:51:15.460 --> 00:51:16.260
okay so

804
00:51:16.260 --> 00:51:29.170
let me go back to the powerpoint and let's jump down okay I knew that the 3d of

805
00:51:29.170 --> 00:51:29.820
the downswing

806
00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:34.010
would take longer than most of the 3d talks so hopefully that wasn't hopefully

807
00:51:34.010 --> 00:51:34.460
that was

808
00:51:34.460 --> 00:51:39.580
kind of fun to follow along and gave you some different ideas when you're

809
00:51:39.580 --> 00:51:40.900
looking at a golfer's

810
00:51:40.900 --> 00:51:46.730
downswing if you don't have 3d for all of those pieces because oftentimes I don

811
00:51:46.730 --> 00:51:47.140
't but

812
00:51:47.140 --> 00:51:52.260
I'm still kind of running through those the checklist in my head of just kind

813
00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:52.780
of like

814
00:51:52.780 --> 00:51:59.660
taking a snapshot of all these different pieces so taking a snapshot of all

815
00:51:59.660 --> 00:52:00.700
these and seeing

816
00:52:00.700 --> 00:52:05.210
which one is kind of the most the biggest outlier the most dysfunctional and

817
00:52:05.210 --> 00:52:06.340
seeing if that one

818
00:52:06.340 --> 00:52:13.680
relates to their overall pattern or their overall complaint okay so back to

819
00:52:13.680 --> 00:52:14.780
planning

820
00:52:14.780 --> 00:52:24.000
out the year this is where golf is one of the hardest sports to plan fitness

821
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:24.980
around

822
00:52:24.980 --> 00:52:36.350
partly because the activity itself takes a long period of time so I'll speak at

823
00:52:36.350 --> 00:52:36.900
it from

824
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:41.890
a tour golfers perspective primarily so from a competitive golfer or tour gol

825
00:52:41.890 --> 00:52:42.700
fer they're

826
00:52:42.700 --> 00:52:48.540
practicing you know eight hours a day light would be six but it around eight

827
00:52:48.540 --> 00:52:49.220
hours a

828
00:52:49.220 --> 00:52:54.220
day so then you don't have a whole lot of time and it's it's kind of draining

829
00:52:54.220 --> 00:52:54.420
so you

830
00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:59.950
don't have a lot of physical capacity to then add them beating someone up so

831
00:52:59.950 --> 00:53:01.380
that's part

832
00:53:01.380 --> 00:53:09.000
of the reason why some of the corrective stuff like TPI Pilates yoga cars or RK

833
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:11.500
C stretching

834
00:53:11.500 --> 00:53:17.740
myofascial stretching I love that stuff DNS things that help kind of pump the

835
00:53:17.740 --> 00:53:17.980
system

836
00:53:17.980 --> 00:53:22.760
move like create balance in the muscles create balance in the joints that's

837
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:24.660
something that

838
00:53:24.660 --> 00:53:30.300
I think golfers need to do more days than not so as an evening program or

839
00:53:30.300 --> 00:53:31.620
something like

840
00:53:31.620 --> 00:53:38.140
that I think that it's important to do activation and corrective strength

841
00:53:38.140 --> 00:53:40.020
training the overall

842
00:53:40.020 --> 00:53:47.330
goal is to satisfy some of the goals or needs of being a human and as well as

843
00:53:47.330 --> 00:53:48.380
trying not

844
00:53:48.380 --> 00:53:52.750
to mess up their golf game typically the strength training component is one of

845
00:53:52.750 --> 00:53:54.620
the least important

846
00:53:54.620 --> 00:54:00.550
pieces for a tour golfer but ideally I'm trying to create balance from top to

847
00:54:00.550 --> 00:54:01.180
bottom

848
00:54:01.180 --> 00:54:06.770
left to right front to back while airing on maintaining mobility especially in

849
00:54:06.770 --> 00:54:07.500
the shoulders

850
00:54:07.500 --> 00:54:13.300
and hips so external rotation of the shoulders internal rotation of the hips so

851
00:54:13.300 --> 00:54:14.600
I'm very

852
00:54:14.600 --> 00:54:20.390
careful with competitive golfers about doing excessive let's miss Dorsey

853
00:54:20.390 --> 00:54:21.820
training so lats

854
00:54:21.820 --> 00:54:26.780
and and pull ups and things like that I'll typically get more of my lat

855
00:54:26.780 --> 00:54:27.940
training from

856
00:54:27.940 --> 00:54:32.820
something like a deadlift and less from something like a pull up if golf is

857
00:54:32.820 --> 00:54:36.740
their top priority

858
00:54:36.740 --> 00:54:42.370
so then in season golf I tend to focus on things like with my long term

859
00:54:42.370 --> 00:54:43.620
students I tend

860
00:54:43.620 --> 00:54:48.460
to focus on things that have already worked so it's easier to recall and

861
00:54:48.460 --> 00:54:49.460
remember things

862
00:54:49.460 --> 00:54:55.250
and train things and be like you know have the brain kind of bring up an old

863
00:54:55.250 --> 00:54:56.060
pattern or

864
00:54:56.060 --> 00:55:01.310
an old solution rather than investigate something new if they don't have a lot

865
00:55:01.310 --> 00:55:02.300
that's going

866
00:55:02.300 --> 00:55:08.070
wrong in their swing then I'd typically be working on posture tempo sequencing

867
00:55:08.070 --> 00:55:08.580
I've got

868
00:55:08.580 --> 00:55:13.360
three tempos there I like a lot of my golfers to be able to hit solid shots

869
00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:14.220
with at least

870
00:55:14.220 --> 00:55:20.010
three different tempos in order to have it hold up on the course and then

871
00:55:20.010 --> 00:55:20.940
working on

872
00:55:20.940 --> 00:55:26.730
skills more so than technique when you're in season and trying to take whatever

873
00:55:26.730 --> 00:55:27.660
technique

874
00:55:27.660 --> 00:55:33.050
we work on and transfer it to an external cue or something feeling with what

875
00:55:33.050 --> 00:55:33.860
the club is

876
00:55:33.860 --> 00:55:41.020
doing or what the club face is doing but hopefully not feeling too much too

877
00:55:41.020 --> 00:55:42.260
specific in the

878
00:55:42.260 --> 00:55:48.130
body with new clients so when you get a new client during the golf season I'll

879
00:55:48.130 --> 00:55:48.900
usually

880
00:55:48.900 --> 00:55:55.680
focus on one or two big pieces and kind of sprinkle in some of the other work

881
00:55:55.680 --> 00:55:56.740
but I will

882
00:55:56.740 --> 00:56:05.230
tend to avoid like a lot of detailed instructions so I might not do a lot of

883
00:56:05.230 --> 00:56:07.900
slow motion training

884
00:56:07.900 --> 00:56:12.100
at this time I might not do a lot of the single arms unless they've already

885
00:56:12.100 --> 00:56:13.380
done that so many

886
00:56:13.380 --> 00:56:17.230
golfers who go through the single arms that becomes like something they can do

887
00:56:17.230 --> 00:56:17.700
to reset

888
00:56:17.700 --> 00:56:24.990
things really quickly so that goes back to this piece here and I'll basically

889
00:56:24.990 --> 00:56:25.820
what I would

890
00:56:25.820 --> 00:56:30.240
probably do is do like if I had to work on the release I would probably work on

891
00:56:30.240 --> 00:56:30.980
something

892
00:56:30.980 --> 00:56:36.280
in the follow through position or work on something kind of big and simple

893
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:37.220
rather than

894
00:56:37.220 --> 00:56:43.520
some of the details of exactly how each arm is moving I'll save that more for

895
00:56:43.520 --> 00:56:44.540
off season

896
00:56:44.540 --> 00:56:48.990
which could be like actual off season or just when you have a gap and you don't

897
00:56:48.990 --> 00:56:49.580
care too

898
00:56:49.580 --> 00:56:53.890
much about what's going on score wise if you're working on your short game and

899
00:56:53.890 --> 00:56:54.540
you want more

900
00:56:54.540 --> 00:56:57.540
practice with it so therefore it's okay if you're working on your full swing

901
00:56:57.540 --> 00:56:57.980
because

902
00:56:57.980 --> 00:57:07.520
you're gonna miss more greens that's a good time to do it as well so off season

903
00:57:07.520 --> 00:57:07.580
you'll

904
00:57:07.580 --> 00:57:11.140
see on the next slide there's a little joke here but the main goal of off

905
00:57:11.140 --> 00:57:11.980
season is kind

906
00:57:11.980 --> 00:57:19.130
of to repair and to build the capacity so then when you start throttling back

907
00:57:19.130 --> 00:57:19.820
during

908
00:57:19.820 --> 00:57:26.060
the end season you had a higher level that you throttled back from so I'll like

909
00:57:26.060 --> 00:57:26.280
this

910
00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:30.400
is a good time to do a little bit of power training if they're not completely

911
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:31.100
exhausted

912
00:57:31.100 --> 00:57:38.400
and if they have some extra time so as in like if you only had two weeks of off

913
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:38.740
season

914
00:57:38.740 --> 00:57:42.040
that's not the same as if you had six weeks of off season but if you can build

915
00:57:42.040 --> 00:57:42.460
up some

916
00:57:42.460 --> 00:57:50.600
power capacity then you can kind of keep it through the like so let's say you

917
00:57:50.600 --> 00:57:51.180
got to

918
00:57:51.180 --> 00:57:55.820
the point where you were doing explosive training maybe you're doing 10 sets of

919
00:57:55.820 --> 00:57:57.900
a power of a

920
00:57:57.900 --> 00:58:03.480
couple different power exercises well then what I might be able to do is during

921
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:03.980
the end

922
00:58:03.980 --> 00:58:09.340
season I could do you know three or four sets instead of 10 sets and maintain a

923
00:58:09.340 --> 00:58:10.100
little bit

924
00:58:10.100 --> 00:58:17.550
of the power capability that can be both good for kind of slowly making sure

925
00:58:17.550 --> 00:58:18.620
you don't

926
00:58:18.620 --> 00:58:24.860
lose stuff as well as the psychology of feeling like you're still strong but I

927
00:58:24.860 --> 00:58:25.700
think that you

928
00:58:25.700 --> 00:58:30.280
almost have to do this stuff daily to try to repair or this is a great time to

929
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:30.780
get kind

930
00:58:30.780 --> 00:58:37.930
of a lot of soft tissue work and then this is the what off season because now

931
00:58:37.930 --> 00:58:38.180
with the

932
00:58:38.180 --> 00:58:44.460
wrap around you barely have time to to work on stuff but in golf again this

933
00:58:44.460 --> 00:58:45.340
could be I

934
00:58:45.340 --> 00:58:49.140
don't have any tournaments so it's not that big a deal it doesn't have to be

935
00:58:49.140 --> 00:58:49.620
just hey

936
00:58:49.620 --> 00:58:53.690
it's cold outside and I can't play but this is where I'll typically work on

937
00:58:53.690 --> 00:58:54.420
neglected

938
00:58:54.420 --> 00:59:00.660
phases so I like my golfers to have worked on takeaway backswing transition

939
00:59:00.660 --> 00:59:01.740
release follow

940
00:59:01.740 --> 00:59:08.790
through like each piece at some point during their career so that they can um

941
00:59:08.790 --> 00:59:09.740
go back to

942
00:59:09.740 --> 00:59:13.920
stuff if it starts to get off the hardest thing is when a piece stops working

943
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:14.460
and you've

944
00:59:14.460 --> 00:59:18.610
never worked on it like you've never trained a release and now you have a new

945
00:59:18.610 --> 00:59:20.020
release problem

946
00:59:20.020 --> 00:59:23.990
or you're you're swinging changed a little bit and now a release problem is

947
00:59:23.990 --> 00:59:24.700
showing up

948
00:59:24.700 --> 00:59:31.980
as a big issue this is where I will do a lot of kind of detailed slow motion

949
00:59:31.980 --> 00:59:33.500
training working

950
00:59:33.500 --> 00:59:38.690
on almost like the Tai Chi style swings working on some of the relationships of

951
00:59:38.690 --> 00:59:39.380
these key

952
00:59:39.380 --> 00:59:45.030
moves this is a good time to do rope training speed sticks if you like those

953
00:59:45.030 --> 00:59:46.380
power training

954
00:59:46.380 --> 00:59:52.620
etc and then the uncomfortable body focus this kind of fits in with the

955
00:59:52.620 --> 00:59:54.060
neglected phases

956
00:59:54.060 --> 00:59:59.620
but like if I have a golfer who's really body aware and they play like that

957
00:59:59.620 --> 01:00:00.860
first amateur

958
01:00:00.860 --> 01:00:05.150
who didn't have a whole lot of arm coordination but played pretty well with his

959
01:00:05.150 --> 01:00:06.860
body in season

960
01:00:06.860 --> 01:00:12.690
I'd probably work on the body because um that's like as in I would use the body

961
01:00:12.690 --> 01:00:13.500
to create my

962
01:00:13.500 --> 01:00:18.460
playing field so my swing thought for the day would most likely be body related

963
01:00:18.460 --> 01:00:19.020
in the off

964
01:00:19.020 --> 01:00:22.570
season I'd be like forget that we're gonna go after your arms I know it's gonna

965
01:00:22.570 --> 01:00:23.340
be tough but

966
01:00:23.340 --> 01:00:28.860
this is what we're gonna do to to build you long term so you go after the more

967
01:00:28.860 --> 01:00:29.660
uncomfortable body

968
01:00:29.660 --> 01:00:34.830
parts either the arms for arm dominant player or sorry for body dominant

969
01:00:34.830 --> 01:00:36.060
players or the body

970
01:00:36.060 --> 01:00:41.510
for arm dominant players and then resetting fundamentals so you know just kind

971
01:00:41.510 --> 01:00:42.860
of taking inventory

972
01:00:42.860 --> 01:00:46.780
using your data and identifying what are the big pieces to work on

973
01:00:48.860 --> 01:00:55.080
so I wanted that to be a little on the brief side because I knew that the 3D

974
01:00:55.080 --> 01:00:55.260
would be

975
01:00:55.260 --> 01:01:02.130
a little bit more I see I've got a few questions from Fred so we'll jump back

976
01:01:02.130 --> 01:01:02.700
over there

977
01:01:02.700 --> 01:01:09.970
and then we'll take a look at a couple swing submissions from coaches so let's

978
01:01:09.970 --> 01:01:11.420
go to the chat

979
01:01:14.140 --> 01:01:20.460
here we've got some questions from Fred so your your comment after your booking

980
01:01:20.460 --> 01:01:22.140
publication till now

981
01:01:22.140 --> 01:01:26.620
do you have any new discoveries you would add any updates you would make so the

982
01:01:26.620 --> 01:01:28.540
the one thing that

983
01:01:28.540 --> 01:01:35.900
I'm working on that I would have done differently is I would start with the the

984
01:01:35.900 --> 01:01:37.820
big picture as far as

985
01:01:37.820 --> 01:01:47.030
like okay um if you want to play well where's this sheet okay so let's see if

986
01:01:47.030 --> 01:01:47.900
you can see

987
01:01:47.900 --> 01:01:56.540
that kind of there um so essentially if you're monitoring your golf game you

988
01:01:56.540 --> 01:01:57.740
want to monitor

989
01:01:57.740 --> 01:02:04.060
the different skills so um let's say you're gonna monitor your t-shots you're

990
01:02:04.060 --> 01:02:04.780
gonna monitor

991
01:02:04.780 --> 01:02:08.260
your iron play maybe your long club your three wood your hybrid game your

992
01:02:08.260 --> 01:02:09.980
distance wedges your

993
01:02:09.980 --> 01:02:14.630
finesse wedges your bunker play um putting whether it's short putts long putts

994
01:02:14.630 --> 01:02:15.660
medium putts you're

995
01:02:15.660 --> 01:02:21.440
gonna monitor and roughly track those different categories if you have an issue

996
01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:21.900
like let's say

997
01:02:21.900 --> 01:02:25.480
I'm not hitting enough greens I'm gonna look at the skills related to that

998
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:26.700
issue so am I not hitting

999
01:02:26.700 --> 01:02:30.180
greens because I'm driving it in trouble all the time or am I not hitting

1000
01:02:30.180 --> 01:02:31.740
greens because I'm not

1001
01:02:31.740 --> 01:02:38.530
striking my irons well once I started with that framework then I would layer in

1002
01:02:38.530 --> 01:02:39.100
okay I'm not

1003
01:02:39.100 --> 01:02:42.930
hitting greens because I'm not striking it solidly controlling the face

1004
01:02:42.930 --> 01:02:43.980
controlling the distance

1005
01:02:43.980 --> 01:02:48.420
whatever now I'm going to work on the technique related to those skills so the

1006
01:02:48.420 --> 01:02:50.380
big thing I would

1007
01:02:50.380 --> 01:02:56.660
would do differently in the next version of the book if I were to rewrite it is

1008
01:02:56.660 --> 01:02:57.820
I would start with

1009
01:02:57.820 --> 01:03:03.100
the skills and then layer to the technique but the goal of the book was really

1010
01:03:03.100 --> 01:03:04.300
to be an overview

1011
01:03:04.300 --> 01:03:10.540
of the stock tour swing not necessarily how you should learn golf um so I feel

1012
01:03:10.540 --> 01:03:11.660
like the book

1013
01:03:11.660 --> 01:03:18.220
highlights all the the big issues um I perhaps the one piece that I I would

1014
01:03:18.220 --> 01:03:19.020
have done differently

1015
01:03:19.020 --> 01:03:24.100
actually in the book not adding anything new is in the faults and fixes section

1016
01:03:24.100 --> 01:03:24.460
I wouldn't

1017
01:03:24.460 --> 01:03:31.180
have done it quite the same way I would have done them related more to um like

1018
01:03:31.180 --> 01:03:33.180
more to the skill so

1019
01:03:33.180 --> 01:03:37.400
I would have related the errors to okay let's say you have a low point control

1020
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:38.460
problem instead of

1021
01:03:38.460 --> 01:03:41.460
saying let's say you have early extension that's the only piece I probably

1022
01:03:41.460 --> 01:03:42.540
would have done differently

1023
01:03:42.540 --> 01:03:48.850
but I have a lot of that on the site so I'm okay with it um let's see from all

1024
01:03:48.850 --> 01:03:50.300
the graphs

1025
01:03:50.300 --> 01:03:54.970
which 10 lines again that depends on which skill you're trying to solve um so

1026
01:03:54.970 --> 01:03:56.540
the the graphs that

1027
01:03:56.540 --> 01:04:01.400
I have up there are my most common 11 graphs that I look at that gives me a

1028
01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:02.940
really good snapshot as

1029
01:04:02.940 --> 01:04:07.020
far as how a body's moving and what I've covered in all these webinars or how

1030
01:04:07.020 --> 01:04:07.820
to look through the

1031
01:04:07.820 --> 01:04:12.430
different graphs to see how they they fit into that tour swing model um from

1032
01:04:12.430 --> 01:04:14.780
your experience with

1033
01:04:14.780 --> 01:04:19.930
swing catalyst data do you compare pressure points from average amateurs I do

1034
01:04:19.930 --> 01:04:22.860
not um I think that

1035
01:04:22.860 --> 01:04:29.100
uh if you have the force this like I had pressure data our pressure plate is

1036
01:04:29.100 --> 01:04:30.140
actually not working

1037
01:04:30.140 --> 01:04:33.970
right now but I had pressure data um and I don't see a really strong

1038
01:04:33.970 --> 01:04:35.500
correlation between pressure

1039
01:04:35.500 --> 01:04:39.920
data um among skill levels so if you have force data it might be a little

1040
01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:41.660
different um but

1041
01:04:42.380 --> 01:04:48.940
I haven't seen anything that correlates the pressure data to the skills or the

1042
01:04:48.940 --> 01:04:49.260
force

1043
01:04:49.260 --> 01:04:53.080
data to the skills so like is there a pressure pattern that limits you from

1044
01:04:53.080 --> 01:04:53.820
getting low point

1045
01:04:53.820 --> 01:04:57.950
control um I don't know there are definitely release styles that limit you from

1046
01:04:57.950 --> 01:04:58.700
getting low

1047
01:04:58.700 --> 01:05:06.270
point control so I tend to go there um from the following what are the average

1048
01:05:06.270 --> 01:05:07.900
ranges for ball

1049
01:05:07.900 --> 01:05:19.070
strikers long hitters from p1 p4 p7 plus if possible um I I don't know that

1050
01:05:19.070 --> 01:05:20.300
that data

1051
01:05:20.300 --> 01:05:31.420
chess hips um so again the the arc width uh the the pattern um we covered that

1052
01:05:31.420 --> 01:05:33.420
in a another

1053
01:05:35.420 --> 01:05:42.380
class the club rate of closure um you won't so I've talked a lot with Johnson

1054
01:05:42.380 --> 01:05:43.100
Claire about this

1055
01:05:43.100 --> 01:05:47.880
and I'm pretty much on the same page with him you can't compare rate of closure

1056
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:49.340
from one golfer to

1057
01:05:49.340 --> 01:05:55.140
another but you can compare it one golfer to themselves so like if a golfer has

1058
01:05:55.140 --> 01:05:55.900
a specific

1059
01:05:55.900 --> 01:06:01.020
rate of closure like let's say it's 1400 degrees per second um and then uh you

1060
01:06:01.020 --> 01:06:02.780
can compare well

1061
01:06:02.780 --> 01:06:07.560
what happened when they hit driver versus wedge you can compare um fade versus

1062
01:06:07.560 --> 01:06:08.940
draw and you can see

1063
01:06:08.940 --> 01:06:15.570
over time like um for example I was consulting with a coach who had a tour pro

1064
01:06:15.570 --> 01:06:16.780
who had like six

1065
01:06:16.780 --> 01:06:20.250
years of 3d data and all of a sudden the rate of closure numbers started

1066
01:06:20.250 --> 01:06:21.260
changing so we were

1067
01:06:21.260 --> 01:06:25.490
looking at why was that changing um but it's not like there's a the the

1068
01:06:25.490 --> 01:06:27.980
spectrum on that is so wide

1069
01:06:27.980 --> 01:06:34.480
that um I would say as long as you're with axial velocity as long as you're

1070
01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:36.780
above 600 and below

1071
01:06:36.780 --> 01:06:45.100
2200 which would be like 99.9 percent of tour pros then you're probably okay

1072
01:06:45.100 --> 01:06:46.060
but what you'll find is

1073
01:06:46.060 --> 01:06:50.360
most golfers are in that category it's not really the amount it's more the

1074
01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:51.420
pattern um which I talked

1075
01:06:51.420 --> 01:06:58.790
about in the um axial velocity piece on the on the webinar um and the the other

1076
01:06:58.790 --> 01:07:00.140
reason I

1077
01:07:00.140 --> 01:07:06.400
I don't have the I don't necessarily have averages um for a lot of those

1078
01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:10.460
movements because the the

1079
01:07:10.460 --> 01:07:16.020
movements will help um kind of explain their pattern and their steeps and shall

1080
01:07:16.020 --> 01:07:17.820
ows and and all

1081
01:07:17.820 --> 01:07:24.380
that stuff um but it doesn't necessarily um like it's not like if you gave me

1082
01:07:24.380 --> 01:07:25.580
any one piece of

1083
01:07:25.580 --> 01:07:30.370
those numbers I could tell you if they were um a long hitter or not you would

1084
01:07:30.370 --> 01:07:31.580
have to see the force

1085
01:07:31.580 --> 01:07:37.480
data you would have to see I mean um 3d gives you an example like a piece of

1086
01:07:37.480 --> 01:07:38.700
the puzzle that it

1087
01:07:38.700 --> 01:07:47.020
doesn't give you everything so I I wouldn't necessarily uh look for for that um

1088
01:07:47.020 --> 01:07:47.980
we don't have a metric

1089
01:07:47.980 --> 01:07:53.380
for arm depth um for the motorcycle movement again it's more of a pattern um in

1090
01:07:53.380 --> 01:07:54.220
fact you would

1091
01:07:54.220 --> 01:08:01.660
actually see uh like if you took a global population of every golfer um long

1092
01:08:01.660 --> 01:08:03.020
hitters would probably

1093
01:08:03.020 --> 01:08:09.260
have worse motorcycle movements than um than shorter hitters but at the tour

1094
01:08:09.260 --> 01:08:11.420
level uh the best of the

1095
01:08:11.420 --> 01:08:16.770
best to figure out how to do a good motorcycle movement and still hit it far um

1096
01:08:16.770 --> 01:08:17.900
but long drive

1097
01:08:17.900 --> 01:08:21.850
guys typically don't have the best motorcycle movement a lot of long hitting am

1098
01:08:21.850 --> 01:08:22.620
ateurs don't have

1099
01:08:22.620 --> 01:08:25.490
really good motorcycle movements so there would probably be an inverse

1100
01:08:25.490 --> 01:08:27.260
relationship there um

1101
01:08:28.780 --> 01:08:35.020
and then jackson five like like I showed again uh 90 uh filled filled freedom

1102
01:08:35.020 --> 01:08:35.820
found like one or two

1103
01:08:35.820 --> 01:08:41.030
in his database that had rotate before slide um so it's just it's a really

1104
01:08:41.030 --> 01:08:42.940
clear timing pattern

1105
01:08:42.940 --> 01:08:52.260
it's not you're looking for a specific amount okay so then we've got a few um

1106
01:08:52.260 --> 01:08:54.540
swing so here's

1107
01:08:54.540 --> 01:08:58.780
kind of the background on this first one so she's 13 years old forehandicap

1108
01:08:58.780 --> 01:08:59.580
played all summer with

1109
01:08:59.580 --> 01:09:04.530
some success we were working together during the autumn winter season um

1110
01:09:04.530 --> 01:09:05.900
thoughts on her move

1111
01:09:05.900 --> 01:09:12.300
through the ball and which drills in particular you would use so

1112
01:09:19.580 --> 01:09:23.740
yeah we'll zoom one out

1113
01:09:23.740 --> 01:09:28.060
okay

1114
01:09:28.060 --> 01:09:41.950
so this is where i'm still going to apply kind of the same thought process of

1115
01:09:41.950 --> 01:09:43.340
what we were doing with

1116
01:09:43.340 --> 01:09:52.550
the um what we were doing with the 3d but now i've just got to apply it from a

1117
01:09:52.550 --> 01:09:53.580
2d perspective

1118
01:09:53.580 --> 01:10:02.300
so i'll start with the the downswing and kind of running through

1119
01:10:03.740 --> 01:10:12.700
some of those pieces and then kind of organize them into a plan okay so in just

1120
01:10:12.700 --> 01:10:13.260
keeping with the

1121
01:10:13.260 --> 01:10:20.000
theme of today let's all right so if we're looking at sequencing so that

1122
01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:24.940
appears to be the jackson

1123
01:10:24.940 --> 01:10:31.180
five and the lower body sequencing if i jump to where so lower body definitely

1124
01:10:31.180 --> 01:10:32.700
leading before the

1125
01:10:32.700 --> 01:10:39.590
arms there if we're looking at it from a shallow perspective there appears to

1126
01:10:39.590 --> 01:10:40.140
be some

1127
01:10:40.140 --> 01:10:44.470
shallowness especially in that right arm that looks pretty good um from a

1128
01:10:44.470 --> 01:10:45.900
motorcycle perspective

1129
01:10:45.900 --> 01:10:49.910
i'd check you know roughly the club position down through here it appears that

1130
01:10:49.910 --> 01:10:51.420
it's rotating so

1131
01:10:51.420 --> 01:10:57.190
that looks pretty good um staying in the posture left tilt looks like it's

1132
01:10:57.190 --> 01:10:58.060
pretty decent there

1133
01:10:58.060 --> 01:11:03.500
transition looks looks pretty good especially from the down the line

1134
01:11:03.500 --> 01:11:18.380
so from so now i'm looking at this with two different hats i'd say

1135
01:11:20.140 --> 01:11:28.460
there's a little bit more like early ad doctor and and kind of um anterior tilt

1136
01:11:28.460 --> 01:11:30.860
so i would in the

1137
01:11:30.860 --> 01:11:38.520
gym try and get the the core and the um the glutes a bit stronger um because it

1138
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:39.420
looks like

1139
01:11:39.420 --> 01:11:42.960
it's more thigh quad dominant there as a power source so for a good player i'd

1140
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:43.740
be a little worried

1141
01:11:43.740 --> 01:11:54.700
about that um oh gotcha

1142
01:11:54.700 --> 01:11:59.020
so here i'll let you see again

1143
01:11:59.020 --> 01:12:10.060
and then from the down the line view so again good shallowing pretty good

1144
01:12:10.060 --> 01:12:11.100
transition especially

1145
01:12:11.100 --> 01:12:17.180
from this down the line um see a lot of vertical movement down through the ball

1146
01:12:17.180 --> 01:12:24.740
but so here's where i was saying all right from the transition perspective that

1147
01:12:24.740 --> 01:12:25.660
first movement

1148
01:12:25.660 --> 01:12:31.440
there if you're looking at kind of the relationship of the the thighs combined

1149
01:12:31.440 --> 01:12:33.500
with the pelvis going

1150
01:12:33.500 --> 01:12:40.650
slightly anterior um and where she's pushing on her foot that looks like it's a

1151
01:12:40.650 --> 01:12:42.300
little bit more

1152
01:12:42.300 --> 01:12:48.220
of a ad doctor movement to try to um stabilize the pelvis to start having

1153
01:12:48.220 --> 01:12:49.020
something for the upper

1154
01:12:49.020 --> 01:12:53.800
body to rotate around and to uh to have a firm platform to be able to push

1155
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:55.260
against the ground

1156
01:12:55.260 --> 01:13:01.070
so i'd be working on that you know core and glute activation from a fitness

1157
01:13:01.070 --> 01:13:02.220
perspective

1158
01:13:04.140 --> 01:13:12.750
so down through here i don't i agree with him i don't really love the um the

1159
01:13:12.750 --> 01:13:15.340
release through

1160
01:13:15.340 --> 01:13:21.580
there but the good news is through there like so this is a little bit more of

1161
01:13:21.580 --> 01:13:23.500
kind of a free flowing

1162
01:13:23.500 --> 01:13:28.620
wrist movement down through there than i like to see i would like to see a

1163
01:13:28.620 --> 01:13:30.220
little bit more hands

1164
01:13:30.220 --> 01:13:36.540
forward supination keeping that um trail wrist extension so a little bit more

1165
01:13:36.540 --> 01:13:37.260
white training

1166
01:13:37.260 --> 01:13:42.590
through there but a lot of golfers who would have that early throw would have a

1167
01:13:42.590 --> 01:13:43.500
really quick

1168
01:13:43.500 --> 01:13:49.740
rehinge and she does a pretty good job of keeping the body moving um with that

1169
01:13:49.740 --> 01:13:50.700
rehinge on the way

1170
01:13:50.700 --> 01:14:00.150
through so that piece is really good i'm i'm happy with that now part of the

1171
01:14:00.150 --> 01:14:03.180
wipe is getting that

1172
01:14:03.180 --> 01:14:08.950
right arm in front which comes from activation of the serratus which also uh

1173
01:14:08.950 --> 01:14:10.780
works with the obliques

1174
01:14:10.780 --> 01:14:17.480
but she doesn't really appear that she's using the obliques um down through

1175
01:14:17.480 --> 01:14:19.420
impact so the first

1176
01:14:19.420 --> 01:14:27.660
thing i would do before i tried to correct any of this is i would look at her

1177
01:14:27.660 --> 01:14:29.180
physically in the

1178
01:14:29.180 --> 01:14:33.740
gym and see how the obliques are firing see how the tva is firing see how the

1179
01:14:33.740 --> 01:14:35.660
glutes are firing

1180
01:14:35.660 --> 01:14:40.300
compare those to the quad and the ad doctors and just kind of see what her

1181
01:14:40.300 --> 01:14:41.340
strength pattern is

1182
01:14:41.340 --> 01:14:48.930
through her core um then once i knew that was cleared then i would probably

1183
01:14:48.930 --> 01:14:51.340
work on getting into

1184
01:14:51.340 --> 01:14:57.950
a follow through position with the spine you know closer to the original setup

1185
01:14:57.950 --> 01:15:01.260
angle um and then

1186
01:15:04.380 --> 01:15:11.580
and then once i worked on that she would probably hit them either fat or right

1187
01:15:11.580 --> 01:15:13.180
until we improve

1188
01:15:13.180 --> 01:15:19.110
the release just a little bit um so specifics i would i would test the the

1189
01:15:19.110 --> 01:15:21.580
lower abs and glutes

1190
01:15:21.580 --> 01:15:27.100
and the tva and the adductors and the quads and i would see why she's so quad

1191
01:15:27.100 --> 01:15:30.060
dominant um and then

1192
01:15:30.620 --> 01:15:35.030
i would once i knew that the the serratus and the oblique sorry i would also

1193
01:15:35.030 --> 01:15:36.220
test the obliques

1194
01:15:36.220 --> 01:15:42.490
once i knew that the the core was good to go um i would probably train follow

1195
01:15:42.490 --> 01:15:43.740
through position

1196
01:15:43.740 --> 01:15:51.760
um so i would do stuff working on the the body facing the target a little bit

1197
01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:53.340
more maybe even some

1198
01:15:53.340 --> 01:15:59.250
some right arm only shots feeling like uh that right arm stayed externally

1199
01:15:59.250 --> 01:16:00.540
rotated a little bit

1200
01:16:00.540 --> 01:16:06.030
longer um but i would definitely work through from follow through position back

1201
01:16:06.030 --> 01:16:09.900
to impact um so

1202
01:16:09.900 --> 01:16:15.680
yeah that's probably where i would start and then i would have to adjust the

1203
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:16.700
plan based on what she's

1204
01:16:16.700 --> 01:16:20.870
doing but um there's a lot of really good things in this in this piece you got

1205
01:16:20.870 --> 01:16:22.220
some good good clay

1206
01:16:23.100 --> 01:16:30.780
to work with here uh okay so then second one

1207
01:16:30.780 --> 01:16:46.060
let's go all right we had a question here um looking for suggestions for the

1208
01:16:46.060 --> 01:16:46.700
student he's a

1209
01:16:46.700 --> 01:16:49.820
d1 golfer so good golfer when i first started working with him he had some

1210
01:16:49.820 --> 01:16:50.780
early extension and

1211
01:16:50.780 --> 01:16:55.420
stall flip pattern with hooks and blocks we were able to eliminate much of the

1212
01:16:55.420 --> 01:16:56.140
early extension

1213
01:16:56.140 --> 01:17:02.360
this summer and we we started working on shallowing move in transition the face

1214
01:17:02.360 --> 01:17:03.020
on and down the line

1215
01:17:03.020 --> 01:17:07.480
videos are from a lesson about a month ago the other view was taken by one of

1216
01:17:07.480 --> 01:17:08.540
his coaches and was

1217
01:17:08.540 --> 01:17:12.720
sent to me yesterday in the video it appears that his early extension is shown

1218
01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:14.540
up again currently his

1219
01:17:15.180 --> 01:17:28.800
big miss is a block all right so these are from the lesson so these were the

1220
01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:29.500
two and then we'll pull

1221
01:17:29.500 --> 01:17:38.940
up the other one um so looking at early extension you got the

1222
01:17:41.340 --> 01:17:46.300
butt line we'll just kind of take a look at a couple different pieces there

1223
01:17:46.300 --> 01:17:53.900
so yeah i would definitely not really put that in an early extension category

1224
01:17:53.900 --> 01:17:55.260
um

1225
01:17:55.260 --> 01:18:03.820
swing looks pretty decent like you said d1 golfer

1226
01:18:08.540 --> 01:18:14.940
and this is when we were swinging really well so we're just using that as our

1227
01:18:14.940 --> 01:18:16.460
current baseline

1228
01:18:16.460 --> 01:18:22.050
now we've got a down the line and we're just going to compare what's going on

1229
01:18:22.050 --> 01:18:22.620
here now

1230
01:18:22.620 --> 01:18:30.370
um camera angle is a little different which is going to be uh relevant to one

1231
01:18:30.370 --> 01:18:30.940
piece that we're

1232
01:18:30.940 --> 01:18:42.220
going to look at and all right let's do a little better job because this person

1233
01:18:42.220 --> 01:18:43.580
did not respect

1234
01:18:43.580 --> 01:18:51.340
using a tripod to make it easy on us um all right so this divot is pretty

1235
01:18:51.340 --> 01:18:52.540
vertical

1236
01:18:56.300 --> 01:18:58.380
okay so that'll just give us a reference

1237
01:18:58.380 --> 01:19:05.580
so if we go up to the top of the swing

1238
01:19:05.580 --> 01:19:18.140
so that moved about that much

1239
01:19:18.140 --> 01:19:22.620
so if we're comparing

1240
01:19:27.180 --> 01:19:34.930
it's it's possible that there's a little bit more um early extension uh but it

1241
01:19:34.930 --> 01:19:37.180
doesn't look

1242
01:19:37.180 --> 01:19:45.490
dramatic so then let's look at well what what might look different so if we get

1243
01:19:45.490 --> 01:19:46.300
it down

1244
01:19:46.300 --> 01:19:46.300
if we go back to this perspective over here it does a pretty good job on the

1245
01:19:46.300 --> 01:19:55.900
way through

1246
01:19:55.900 --> 01:20:02.370
of kind of rotating in his spine angle um and he does a decent job let's look

1247
01:20:02.370 --> 01:20:03.420
at the kind of the

1248
01:20:03.420 --> 01:20:11.870
shaft position there so as he's coming down now it looks like to me the arm

1249
01:20:11.870 --> 01:20:13.820
position is a little

1250
01:20:13.820 --> 01:20:22.630
bit steeper and as a result he's shallowing by kind of reverse thrust with his

1251
01:20:22.630 --> 01:20:23.420
chest

1252
01:20:24.620 --> 01:20:28.460
and possibly going into more side bend

1253
01:20:28.460 --> 01:20:38.860
but mostly that reverse thrust so he's falling into a little bit more of a

1254
01:20:38.860 --> 01:20:44.640
steep early so he's a little bit steep in the arm movements there and then he

1255
01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:45.660
falls into

1256
01:20:45.660 --> 01:20:52.700
shallow late and that shallow late is contributing to that um block pattern on

1257
01:20:52.700 --> 01:20:53.740
the way through

1258
01:20:54.780 --> 01:21:04.540
um now this is where like I would um it depends a lot about your relationship

1259
01:21:04.540 --> 01:21:07.580
with the coach who's

1260
01:21:07.580 --> 01:21:16.250
kind of monitoring him now um this is where like okay he he just went back to

1261
01:21:16.250 --> 01:21:18.380
school what what

1262
01:21:18.380 --> 01:21:18.380
change that might have contributed to this um either he's practicing something

1263
01:21:18.380 --> 01:21:24.060
different he took

1264
01:21:24.060 --> 01:21:29.510
a little layoff and uh you know maybe um I had one golfer who went to school

1265
01:21:29.510 --> 01:21:30.140
and they had

1266
01:21:30.140 --> 01:21:34.210
orientation for a few days and he kind of lost a new feel so if he had just

1267
01:21:34.210 --> 01:21:35.900
started working on the

1268
01:21:35.900 --> 01:21:42.140
shallowness of the arms then perhaps um like it wasn't settled enough and so

1269
01:21:42.140 --> 01:21:42.940
now he's losing that

1270
01:21:42.940 --> 01:21:46.080
and he's trying to recreate the feel and he's getting into more of a shallow

1271
01:21:46.080 --> 01:21:46.780
body position

1272
01:21:48.140 --> 01:21:54.540
that's kind of best case scenario uh worst case scenario is um you know it's

1273
01:21:54.540 --> 01:21:55.500
October you went to

1274
01:21:55.500 --> 01:22:00.680
school a month ago they started back up on the strength program and he's doing

1275
01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:01.820
a lot of lats and

1276
01:22:01.820 --> 01:22:05.880
quads and now he's getting into more of a thrust pattern but the trainer is

1277
01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:06.700
happy because he's

1278
01:22:06.700 --> 01:22:13.530
getting stronger um so that's one one piece of the puzzle that you always have

1279
01:22:13.530 --> 01:22:14.860
to manage which is

1280
01:22:17.020 --> 01:22:24.270
what they're doing training wise can influence these pivot things like going

1281
01:22:24.270 --> 01:22:25.660
shallow and pulling

1282
01:22:25.660 --> 01:22:32.530
with the arms um so it does make sense to me that he's getting more of the

1283
01:22:32.530 --> 01:22:36.620
block pattern um I would

1284
01:22:36.620 --> 01:22:44.300
it looks like he was doing a better job of not only shallowing with the arms

1285
01:22:44.300 --> 01:22:46.140
but unhinging it looks

1286
01:22:46.140 --> 01:22:52.860
like he's later with the unhinging or not hinging unhinging very much at all

1287
01:22:52.860 --> 01:22:54.140
and so therefore he's

1288
01:22:54.140 --> 01:22:59.440
creating the extra shallowness with the body um the unhinging is a hard one if

1289
01:22:59.440 --> 01:23:00.220
they've never

1290
01:23:00.220 --> 01:23:04.850
worked on it before to to put in during the season but the good news is this

1291
01:23:04.850 --> 01:23:05.980
should be the end of

1292
01:23:05.980 --> 01:23:11.130
kind of the fall season so that's where I would try to go technique wise is I'd

1293
01:23:11.130 --> 01:23:13.180
work on the unhinged

1294
01:23:13.180 --> 01:23:19.930
piece and then um if he did that and still side bend he'd kind of um drop kick

1295
01:23:19.930 --> 01:23:21.100
things a little bit

1296
01:23:21.100 --> 01:23:29.360
so that would force him to get the path a little bit less into out um which is

1297
01:23:29.360 --> 01:23:32.140
part of his block

1298
01:23:32.140 --> 01:23:37.980
pattern um it would also by unhinging it would encourage a little bit more of

1299
01:23:37.980 --> 01:23:39.180
the supination on

1300
01:23:39.180 --> 01:23:44.460
the way through which would also um potentially help with the the block pattern

1301
01:23:44.460 --> 01:23:46.460
but this is where

1302
01:23:46.460 --> 01:23:51.940
I'm a little concerned that part of the influence is coming from the gym

1303
01:23:51.940 --> 01:23:53.900
program and that can be

1304
01:23:53.900 --> 01:24:03.470
really hard on D1 golfers um I I've seen that a number of times uh but if it's

1305
01:24:03.470 --> 01:24:04.940
just a swing thing

1306
01:24:04.940 --> 01:24:08.460
that's kind of the piece that I would be looking for is it looks like he's lost

1307
01:24:08.460 --> 01:24:13.560
some of that uh shallowness it doesn't look as dramatic because of the

1308
01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:15.420
different camera angles

1309
01:24:15.420 --> 01:24:22.060
but if you had the same camera angle um then the the relative height of the

1310
01:24:22.060 --> 01:24:23.100
club compared to the

1311
01:24:23.100 --> 01:24:29.470
head would look a lot more dramatic it would look steeper you have them working

1312
01:24:29.470 --> 01:24:30.620
on the owner

1313
01:24:30.620 --> 01:24:37.020
deviation drill um perfect that's the direction that I would be going um and

1314
01:24:37.020 --> 01:24:38.140
when he does that

1315
01:24:38.140 --> 01:24:44.390
owner deviation drill does it improve the the block does it you know change the

1316
01:24:44.390 --> 01:24:45.660
start line does it

1317
01:24:45.660 --> 01:24:50.500
create a curve does he need to do owner deviation as well as a little bit of

1318
01:24:50.500 --> 01:24:52.700
supination um like

1319
01:24:52.700 --> 01:24:57.190
basically is it is it a block because the path is too much into out or is it a

1320
01:24:57.190 --> 01:24:58.060
block because the

1321
01:24:58.060 --> 01:25:02.220
club face is getting left open

1322
01:25:28.060 --> 01:25:51.820
and I'm just hoping that ed's typing up a little explanation separate from

1323
01:25:54.940 --> 01:25:58.780
like because I think owner deviation

1324
01:25:58.780 --> 01:26:04.700
okay good so you were mostly just looking for confirmation that the owner

1325
01:26:04.700 --> 01:26:05.740
deviation is in the

1326
01:26:05.740 --> 01:26:09.330
right ballpark that's exactly the first thing I would go after especially if he

1327
01:26:09.330 --> 01:26:10.140
's already worked

1328
01:26:10.140 --> 01:26:14.630
on it before um it looks like he was doing a better job of it here um and he's

1329
01:26:14.630 --> 01:26:15.580
pulling down a

1330
01:26:15.580 --> 01:26:20.950
little bit more um over here so again I would investigate the I would

1331
01:26:20.950 --> 01:26:22.860
investigate what's going

1332
01:26:22.860 --> 01:26:26.790
on with his fitness program um but I think you're in the right ballpark as far

1333
01:26:26.790 --> 01:26:26.940
as

1334
01:26:26.940 --> 01:26:31.180
what you need to do to rebalance the swing