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Turn Vs Slide Discussion
The proper lower body movement is usually a blend of three movements. A bump. A turn. A vertical push. Learning which one you need to prioritize can help you improve the quality of your pivot. In this video, we discuss the commonly discussed approaches in transition. Should YOU focus on a hip bump or a lower body turn. It depends on how your swing looks on video.
The proper lower body movement is usually a blend of three movements. A bump. A turn. A vertical push. Learning which one you need to prioritize can help you improve the quality of your pivot. In this video, we discuss the commonly discussed approaches in transition. Should YOU focus on a hip bump or a lower body turn. It depends on how your swing looks on video.
Video Transcript
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This video is discussing turn versus slide in the downswing.
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00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:13.200
So I had a member question come in about look you see a couple different things
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00:00:13.200 --> 00:00:13.720
promoted
4
00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:16.400
online and it can be quite confusing.
5
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You'll see some golfers talk about turning right away from the top and you'll
6
00:00:20.910 --> 00:00:21.960
hear other
7
00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:26.390
golf instructors talk about bumping the hips laterally and waiting to turn
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later and later.
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So it can be quite confusing for a golfer to figure out which one to apply to
10
00:00:32.480 --> 00:00:33.360
themselves.
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I've got videos on both.
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00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:38.830
I've got videos on turning your lower body and I've got videos on the Jackson
13
00:00:38.830 --> 00:00:39.240
five or
14
00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:41.360
getting a little bit of a hip bump.
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The important thing is more the amount and the timing and which one you need
16
00:00:46.110 --> 00:00:46.720
depends
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on where you are compared to the model.
18
00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:57.670
So when I'm going to strike the golf ball I want to get my lead hip roughly in
19
00:00:57.670 --> 00:00:58.560
line with
20
00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:04.320
the ankle and I want my pelvis to be roughly 30 to 40 degrees open more so with
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the driver
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or less so with the irons but roughly 30 to 40 degrees open kind of like this.
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So this is where I'm trying to get my lower body at impact.
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Some golfers, many amateur golfers, many beginners, higher handicap will tend
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to be more in the
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middle of their stance or over their back foot especially with the longer clubs
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.
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This can be a powerful feeling movement where I'm just spinning my body and
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pushing down
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but it really creates a big challenge with getting the path more from the
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inside out
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and the low point shallow enough.
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So they tend to struggle a lot with the longer clubs if you have more of kind
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of this movement.
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So those golfers who tend to have more of this kind of spin straight from the
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top need
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to feel the timing of a little bit of pressure shift, a little bit more of this
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Jackson five
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or a little bit more of this hip glide or fall or hip bump prior to rotating.
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In fact some of these golfers don't need to feel rotation at all.
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They just need to feel lateral movement and the rotation tends to just happen.
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Alternatively, a number of mid to low handicap golfers tend to have too much of
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this slide
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where compared to this ankle, the center of the hip joint actually gets well to
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the outside.
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They would fall over unless they bent the knee so we'll tend to have more of
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this slide
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buckle look as the hip gets past the ankle kind of like this.
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By shifting the knee forward it now gives my brain a fixed point that's farther
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ahead
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of my foot to prevent me from falling.
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That issue there is oftentimes that causes some early extension or some tilt
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backward.
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So now I tend to get more, I can drive the ball pretty well that way but I tend
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to get
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a lot of low point issues especially with my shorter irons and wedges.
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So those golfers tend to do better feeling more of this hip rotation straight
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away.
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So how do I figure it out?
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I look at it on video or on 3D but even if I'm just looking at it on video, if
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I compare
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where we're trying to get to, if I'm well past it I probably need to feel more
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turn
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or maybe more vertical extension.
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If I'm well behind it I have to feel more hip bump.
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If I'm more down I'm probably going to have to feel like I'm getting more of
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this vertical
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movement or extension through my legs.
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So rather than just think that there's one perfect feel, I want you to get used
70
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to the
71
00:03:36.720 --> 00:03:41.760
habit of analyzing or looking at your swing on video and comparing where you
72
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are to the
73
00:03:42.480 --> 00:03:45.200
model of what you're trying to get to.
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That will help you figure out what you need to feel.
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So I'll walk through those scenarios real quick.
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If I tend to have more of this kind of spin back kind of like this as my main
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power source
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where I'm finishing on that back foot, well I'm probably going to feel a little
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bit more
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kind of slow gradual sliding forward movement or more of this Jackson 5 and
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bump.
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If on the other hand, my baseline is a little bit more kind of that one where
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again, like
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I said, this is a shorter iron so the slide tends to have some low point issues
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.
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With that pattern right there, I'm going to tend to feel a little bit better.
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Yeah, once I get into that kind of slide pattern, I will tend to hit a few more
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of these fat.
89
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But I will to get out of that, I'm going to exaggerate feeling more of the
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rotation.
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But if I look at the reference here in the finish, I made it to that reference.
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So always compare what you're doing to the reference, that'll give you an
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insight as
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to what it might feel like, otherwise do the proper drills that will help move
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00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:03.880
you closer
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00:05:03.880 --> 00:05:07.040
to the model and as you do them, you're going to develop the feel.
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That'll help you figure out which you need more of this slide, more of this
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turn or the
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one we didn't really discuss would be more of this vertical push.
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Those are three main ways to use your lower body and you need to figure out how
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00:05:18.900 --> 00:05:19.720
to coordinate
102
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the key ones for your golf swing and now my lower body's off.
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It's alright, I'm not scared to lose my swing because I can trust the drills
104
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will help me
105
00:05:35.880 --> 00:05:40.040
find it again.
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That didn't take too long.
Turn Vs Slide Discussion
The proper lower body movement is usually a blend of three movements. A bump. A turn. A vertical push. Learning which one you need to prioritize can help you improve the quality of your pivot. In this video, we discuss the commonly discussed approaches in transition. Should YOU focus on a hip bump or a lower body turn. It depends on how your swing looks on video.
The proper lower body movement is usually a blend of three movements. A bump. A turn. A vertical push. Learning which one you need to prioritize can help you improve the quality of your pivot. In this video, we discuss the commonly discussed approaches in transition. Should YOU focus on a hip bump or a lower body turn. It depends on how your swing looks on video.
Video Transcript
1
00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.400
This video is discussing turn versus slide in the downswing.
2
00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:13.200
So I had a member question come in about look you see a couple different things
3
00:00:13.200 --> 00:00:13.720
promoted
4
00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:16.400
online and it can be quite confusing.
5
00:00:16.400 --> 00:00:20.910
You'll see some golfers talk about turning right away from the top and you'll
6
00:00:20.910 --> 00:00:21.960
hear other
7
00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:26.390
golf instructors talk about bumping the hips laterally and waiting to turn
8
00:00:26.390 --> 00:00:27.840
later and later.
9
00:00:27.840 --> 00:00:32.480
So it can be quite confusing for a golfer to figure out which one to apply to
10
00:00:32.480 --> 00:00:33.360
themselves.
11
00:00:33.360 --> 00:00:34.880
I've got videos on both.
12
00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:38.830
I've got videos on turning your lower body and I've got videos on the Jackson
13
00:00:38.830 --> 00:00:39.240
five or
14
00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:41.360
getting a little bit of a hip bump.
15
00:00:41.360 --> 00:00:46.110
The important thing is more the amount and the timing and which one you need
16
00:00:46.110 --> 00:00:46.720
depends
17
00:00:46.720 --> 00:00:48.840
on where you are compared to the model.
18
00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:57.670
So when I'm going to strike the golf ball I want to get my lead hip roughly in
19
00:00:57.670 --> 00:00:58.560
line with
20
00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:04.320
the ankle and I want my pelvis to be roughly 30 to 40 degrees open more so with
21
00:01:04.320 --> 00:01:05.160
the driver
22
00:01:05.160 --> 00:01:09.840
or less so with the irons but roughly 30 to 40 degrees open kind of like this.
23
00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:14.040
So this is where I'm trying to get my lower body at impact.
24
00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:21.440
Some golfers, many amateur golfers, many beginners, higher handicap will tend
25
00:01:21.440 --> 00:01:22.640
to be more in the
26
00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:27.060
middle of their stance or over their back foot especially with the longer clubs
27
00:01:27.060 --> 00:01:27.080
.
28
00:01:27.080 --> 00:01:30.980
This can be a powerful feeling movement where I'm just spinning my body and
29
00:01:30.980 --> 00:01:31.760
pushing down
30
00:01:31.760 --> 00:01:37.590
but it really creates a big challenge with getting the path more from the
31
00:01:37.590 --> 00:01:38.560
inside out
32
00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:40.760
and the low point shallow enough.
33
00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:44.760
So they tend to struggle a lot with the longer clubs if you have more of kind
34
00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:47.920
of this movement.
35
00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:53.610
So those golfers who tend to have more of this kind of spin straight from the
36
00:01:53.610 --> 00:01:54.240
top need
37
00:01:54.240 --> 00:01:59.450
to feel the timing of a little bit of pressure shift, a little bit more of this
38
00:01:59.450 --> 00:02:00.320
Jackson five
39
00:02:00.320 --> 00:02:06.160
or a little bit more of this hip glide or fall or hip bump prior to rotating.
40
00:02:06.160 --> 00:02:08.960
In fact some of these golfers don't need to feel rotation at all.
41
00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:13.600
They just need to feel lateral movement and the rotation tends to just happen.
42
00:02:13.600 --> 00:02:19.630
Alternatively, a number of mid to low handicap golfers tend to have too much of
43
00:02:19.630 --> 00:02:20.560
this slide
44
00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:24.990
where compared to this ankle, the center of the hip joint actually gets well to
45
00:02:24.990 --> 00:02:26.200
the outside.
46
00:02:26.200 --> 00:02:29.540
They would fall over unless they bent the knee so we'll tend to have more of
47
00:02:29.540 --> 00:02:30.080
this slide
48
00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:35.040
buckle look as the hip gets past the ankle kind of like this.
49
00:02:35.040 --> 00:02:39.870
By shifting the knee forward it now gives my brain a fixed point that's farther
50
00:02:39.870 --> 00:02:40.320
ahead
51
00:02:40.320 --> 00:02:43.480
of my foot to prevent me from falling.
52
00:02:43.480 --> 00:02:48.880
That issue there is oftentimes that causes some early extension or some tilt
53
00:02:48.880 --> 00:02:49.720
backward.
54
00:02:49.720 --> 00:02:54.940
So now I tend to get more, I can drive the ball pretty well that way but I tend
55
00:02:54.940 --> 00:02:55.480
to get
56
00:02:55.480 --> 00:03:00.160
a lot of low point issues especially with my shorter irons and wedges.
57
00:03:00.160 --> 00:03:06.040
So those golfers tend to do better feeling more of this hip rotation straight
58
00:03:06.040 --> 00:03:06.760
away.
59
00:03:06.760 --> 00:03:08.120
So how do I figure it out?
60
00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:13.140
I look at it on video or on 3D but even if I'm just looking at it on video, if
61
00:03:13.140 --> 00:03:13.920
I compare
62
00:03:13.920 --> 00:03:18.760
where we're trying to get to, if I'm well past it I probably need to feel more
63
00:03:18.760 --> 00:03:19.240
turn
64
00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:21.680
or maybe more vertical extension.
65
00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:25.680
If I'm well behind it I have to feel more hip bump.
66
00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:28.860
If I'm more down I'm probably going to have to feel like I'm getting more of
67
00:03:28.860 --> 00:03:29.640
this vertical
68
00:03:29.640 --> 00:03:32.000
movement or extension through my legs.
69
00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:36.400
So rather than just think that there's one perfect feel, I want you to get used
70
00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:36.720
to the
71
00:03:36.720 --> 00:03:41.760
habit of analyzing or looking at your swing on video and comparing where you
72
00:03:41.760 --> 00:03:42.480
are to the
73
00:03:42.480 --> 00:03:45.200
model of what you're trying to get to.
74
00:03:45.200 --> 00:03:48.480
That will help you figure out what you need to feel.
75
00:03:48.480 --> 00:03:50.980
So I'll walk through those scenarios real quick.
76
00:03:50.980 --> 00:03:56.580
If I tend to have more of this kind of spin back kind of like this as my main
77
00:03:56.580 --> 00:03:57.800
power source
78
00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:05.610
where I'm finishing on that back foot, well I'm probably going to feel a little
79
00:04:05.610 --> 00:04:06.560
bit more
80
00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:12.660
kind of slow gradual sliding forward movement or more of this Jackson 5 and
81
00:04:12.660 --> 00:04:13.400
bump.
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00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:20.360
If on the other hand, my baseline is a little bit more kind of that one where
83
00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:21.720
again, like
84
00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:27.320
I said, this is a shorter iron so the slide tends to have some low point issues
85
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.
86
00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:34.440
With that pattern right there, I'm going to tend to feel a little bit better.
87
00:04:34.440 --> 00:04:40.200
Yeah, once I get into that kind of slide pattern, I will tend to hit a few more
88
00:04:40.200 --> 00:04:42.280
of these fat.
89
00:04:42.280 --> 00:04:49.860
But I will to get out of that, I'm going to exaggerate feeling more of the
90
00:04:49.860 --> 00:04:51.120
rotation.
91
00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:54.840
But if I look at the reference here in the finish, I made it to that reference.
92
00:04:54.840 --> 00:04:57.960
So always compare what you're doing to the reference, that'll give you an
93
00:04:57.960 --> 00:04:58.560
insight as
94
00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:03.240
to what it might feel like, otherwise do the proper drills that will help move
95
00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:03.880
you closer
96
00:05:03.880 --> 00:05:07.040
to the model and as you do them, you're going to develop the feel.
97
00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:11.470
That'll help you figure out which you need more of this slide, more of this
98
00:05:11.470 --> 00:05:11.920
turn or the
99
00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:14.960
one we didn't really discuss would be more of this vertical push.
100
00:05:14.960 --> 00:05:18.900
Those are three main ways to use your lower body and you need to figure out how
101
00:05:18.900 --> 00:05:19.720
to coordinate
102
00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:27.840
the key ones for your golf swing and now my lower body's off.
103
00:05:27.840 --> 00:05:35.040
It's alright, I'm not scared to lose my swing because I can trust the drills
104
00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:35.880
will help me
105
00:05:35.880 --> 00:05:40.040
find it again.
106
00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:40.800
That didn't take too long.