Member Question - Ben Hogan & Supination
In Ben Hogan's famous book, "5 Lessons: The Modern Fundamentals of Golf", there is a hefty amount of discussion regarding the release. More specifically, Mr. Hogan mentions a distinct feeling that lead arm supination does not begin until impact or just after. If you look closely though, this feeling is not quite in line with the included illustrations, which show a much earlier and gradual rate of supination. Ultimately, these illustrations are more representative of the 3D data and can provide a better reference for understanding how supination actually works in a "tour" release. So, be careful about interpreting "feel" versus "real", even from one of the greatest ball strikers to ever live.
In Ben Hogan's famous book, "5 Lessons: The Modern Fundamentals of Golf", there is a hefty amount of discussion regarding the release. More specifically, Mr. Hogan mentions a distinct feeling that lead arm supination does not begin until impact or just after. If you look closely though, this feeling is not quite in line with the included illustrations, which show a much earlier and gradual rate of supination. Ultimately, these illustrations are more representative of the 3D data and can provide a better reference for understanding how supination actually works in a "tour" release. So, be careful about interpreting "feel" versus "real", even from one of the greatest ball strikers to ever live.
Video Transcript
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This concept video answers the member question about the Hogan
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supination picture. So on the screen you can see the picture of the Hogan or
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from
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Hogan's five fundamentals talking about supinating at impact. He says, "I get
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the
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impact and basically then I start supinating." Now in the picture you can
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see that from right around here where he's starting the picture all the way
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through to impact or past impact he's supinating during that hot that entire
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window. So I find that there is a little disconnect between what he said and
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what he actually did and what we've seen from 3D. So when I look at 3D graphs
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almost invariably every golfer will start doing their supination somewhere
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around here. So somewhere around belly button height they're gonna start the
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supination. Golfers who tend to be more consistent have a really good flat spot
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will finish their supination later and typically cover a greater range with
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the longer clubs than those who are a little bit less consistent. So the danger
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for me is some golfers try to feel like they wait until impact to then let it
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supinate and because of what they read in that Hogan book and when they do so
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they the the supination is too abrupt as a result typically to complement that
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the the wrist will tend to extend so the arc width or the distance between the
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club and the body gets shorter quicker and that combination can produce some
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face control issues as well as some some arc or path or low point control
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issues. So I'm a big fan of trying to get a smooth amount of supination from
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here all the way as late as you can into there. So a smoother kind of gradual
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feeling of that supination not necessarily letting it get down there and
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then feeling like it snaps over or supinates down at the bottom. So if you
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have that concept because of this picture and because of what Hogan wrote
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in your book take a look at some of the 3D graphs and hopefully that will help
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you visualize and understand better the supination rate and if you can go the
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extra mile you'll see how that supination relates to arm extension
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chicken wing arc width early release all those key release components and how
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ultimately that will build you a much stronger impact position. If you supinate
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smoothly from the window of right about here until right about there.
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So now I'm gonna feel that smooth supination from right about here all the
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way until there going into that fall through.
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In Ben Hogan's famous book, "5 Lessons: The Modern Fundamentals of Golf", there is a hefty amount of discussion regarding the release. More specifically, Mr. Hogan mentions a distinct feeling that lead arm supination does not begin until impact or just after. If you look closely though, this feeling is not quite in line with the included illustrations, which show a much earlier and gradual rate of supination. Ultimately, these illustrations are more representative of the 3D data and can provide a better reference for understanding how supination actually works in a "tour" release. So, be careful about interpreting "feel" versus "real", even from one of the greatest ball strikers to ever live.
In Ben Hogan's famous book, "5 Lessons: The Modern Fundamentals of Golf", there is a hefty amount of discussion regarding the release. More specifically, Mr. Hogan mentions a distinct feeling that lead arm supination does not begin until impact or just after. If you look closely though, this feeling is not quite in line with the included illustrations, which show a much earlier and gradual rate of supination. Ultimately, these illustrations are more representative of the 3D data and can provide a better reference for understanding how supination actually works in a "tour" release. So, be careful about interpreting "feel" versus "real", even from one of the greatest ball strikers to ever live.
Video Transcript
1
00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.840
This concept video answers the member question about the Hogan
2
00:00:03.840 --> 00:00:10.040
supination picture. So on the screen you can see the picture of the Hogan or
3
00:00:10.040 --> 00:00:10.560
from
4
00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:15.000
Hogan's five fundamentals talking about supinating at impact. He says, "I get
5
00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:15.080
the
6
00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:19.920
impact and basically then I start supinating." Now in the picture you can
7
00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:24.400
see that from right around here where he's starting the picture all the way
8
00:00:24.400 --> 00:00:29.080
through to impact or past impact he's supinating during that hot that entire
9
00:00:29.080 --> 00:00:34.640
window. So I find that there is a little disconnect between what he said and
10
00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:39.400
what he actually did and what we've seen from 3D. So when I look at 3D graphs
11
00:00:39.400 --> 00:00:43.800
almost invariably every golfer will start doing their supination somewhere
12
00:00:43.800 --> 00:00:47.760
around here. So somewhere around belly button height they're gonna start the
13
00:00:47.760 --> 00:00:53.480
supination. Golfers who tend to be more consistent have a really good flat spot
14
00:00:53.480 --> 00:00:59.300
will finish their supination later and typically cover a greater range with
15
00:00:59.300 --> 00:01:05.840
the longer clubs than those who are a little bit less consistent. So the danger
16
00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:10.120
for me is some golfers try to feel like they wait until impact to then let it
17
00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:15.280
supinate and because of what they read in that Hogan book and when they do so
18
00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:23.200
they the the supination is too abrupt as a result typically to complement that
19
00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:28.040
the the wrist will tend to extend so the arc width or the distance between the
20
00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:32.760
club and the body gets shorter quicker and that combination can produce some
21
00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:38.680
face control issues as well as some some arc or path or low point control
22
00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:44.600
issues. So I'm a big fan of trying to get a smooth amount of supination from
23
00:01:44.600 --> 00:01:52.560
here all the way as late as you can into there. So a smoother kind of gradual
24
00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:56.360
feeling of that supination not necessarily letting it get down there and
25
00:01:56.360 --> 00:02:00.200
then feeling like it snaps over or supinates down at the bottom. So if you
26
00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:05.000
have that concept because of this picture and because of what Hogan wrote
27
00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:11.160
in your book take a look at some of the 3D graphs and hopefully that will help
28
00:02:11.160 --> 00:02:19.240
you visualize and understand better the supination rate and if you can go the
29
00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:24.200
extra mile you'll see how that supination relates to arm extension
30
00:02:24.200 --> 00:02:29.360
chicken wing arc width early release all those key release components and how
31
00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:34.080
ultimately that will build you a much stronger impact position. If you supinate
32
00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:39.680
smoothly from the window of right about here until right about there.
33
00:02:41.160 --> 00:02:50.440
So now I'm gonna feel that smooth supination from right about here all the
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00:02:50.440 --> 00:02:55.280
way until there going into that fall through.
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