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I think we've got everything up and running I'm coming to you live from

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Montreal just finished taking a giveaway a class so I'm really constantly

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trying to learn and get better and I think he's one of the smartest guys as far

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as how the body works and how different parts relate to each other I think I

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got the microphone all good but please check the comments let me know if there

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's any problems with the audio.

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I had it once before and would hate to go too far down the rabbit hole having

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it again but I want to thank everybody who's here trying to get some questions

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answered if you have a second just post your name and your location in the chat

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box and if you have any questions please list them there I will check into that

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as we go through I've got a good list of questions from the members of the

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website who sent in their emails beforehand and so we will let's get into stuff

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I don't have my mini golf club I'm staying in an air B&B so I'm going to be

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using my one of the kitchen utensils which is a great way for at home training

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club face control, definitely one of my go to trainees I actually like or

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practice ages I should say I actually like the flat section for the grip or the

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flat handle

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very much like the messing around with a ruler so alright anyway let's jump

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into some of these questions so Vaughn asked about the 2040 take away so in he

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's been doing the 2040 take away which is basically when you make your backswing

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and you get to about shaft parallel having your hips turned about 20 degrees

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shoulders turned about 40 degrees he compared that to in the past he's tried to

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do more of everything turning together in the backswing and he's he was asking

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success or he's having success and he was

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basically asking for permission which a lot of my students do you know there's

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so much conflicting information out there that just having someone you can go

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to and say does this make sense is this something I should keep working on can

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be helpful especially in the early stages of learning so

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yes the he was talking about how it seems to improve his transition sequence

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sequence sequence the danger of the hips over rotating and the club getting too

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much inside or I should say the danger of over rotating and using too much

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lower body is that the club can get too much inside

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during the takeaway and the problem is if the club gets too much inside and the

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golf balls out there I'm now going to have to start pulling too much in the

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direction of the target that can lead into an early extension pattern so a lot

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of golfers benefit from getting more of a feeling of a one piece takeaway or

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using a little bit more of their upper body not just the the hips in the

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takeaway

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when they do that they're able to keep their weight distribution a little bit

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easier and it's not uncommon to then have improved sequencing in transition so

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absolutely Vaughn you've got my permission to continue with it

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had a good had a question from Glenn Glenn was asking about two of the hot

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topics so this the theme of this class is more the big movements of the golf

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swing so a lot of questions that came in were relating to either the motorcycle

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or transition sequence or weight shift so I thought that I'd just kind of wrap

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them all together and make the big theme about the big movements

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well his question was about two of the hot topics in golf instruction being

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external rotation and twisting the club or what we were referred to as the

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motorcycle and he was basically asking you know what are my thoughts on those

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I use those as part of my teaching transition is a key differentiator between

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elite level golfers and amateur golfers or poor level golfers there are

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patterns that tour pros tend to do in transition to help create speed and

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control the path

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and two of the major pieces that really jump out are the arm shallowing or the

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center mass of the club getting behind or below the hand path so getting the

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club to drop a little bit more on the inside compared to where the hands are

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and earlier clubface rotation or earlier twisting or squaring of the clubface

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those two patterns seem to be integral into having more of a body rotation

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pattern on the way through so that's part of the reason why you see a lot of

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golf instruction kind of trending towards those two key movements

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always one of my goals is to help golfers understand how pieces match together

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so that you're not trying to necessarily create a perfect golf swing but you're

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trying to build the ability to adapt by understanding how pieces fit together

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so the arm shallowing and the clubface rotation works well with a body powered

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swing which then works well with kind of a delayed arm extension timing and a

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good body rotation on the way through

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so all these pieces need to fit together but the two key movements of arm shall

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owing and face rotation during transition tend to be a couple of the early down

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swing patterns that jump out at us when you look at the numbers

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I think there's a lot of comments there because I think it's a key different

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iator and anytime something becomes trendy and you get a lot of success working

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on it it's bound to pick up steam and become more popular

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I had a specific question about external rotation during transition and

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basically he's having trouble figuring out how to get down to the golf ball

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with external rotation

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so everyone will be a little bit more demo based and a little bit more specific

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than just wire instructors talking about external rotation so external rotation

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is more of this rotation of the trail arm away from the target or away from the

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body like so

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so what's going to happen is when a lot of golfers demonstrate it they'll try

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to really keep your all angle this up just a little bit so they will try to

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keep this elbow pretty high so it ends up looking like this now you can see

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that my right form in this position is pointing well up above the golf ball so

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the key is how do I get this external rotation and get the club or get that

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form pointing more down to the golf ball

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because that form is going to have to point down to the golf ball in order for

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me to control the point and get the club down to the golf ball so if I get this

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external rotation and it's high I have two options I can either bend more from

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my hips but eventually that just becomes a very unathletic position

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if I bend too much from the hips it's likely I'm not going to be able to rotate

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or use as much vertical force I'm not going to be able to really use my pivot

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so then it becomes how do I externally rotate and get that form to point down

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so allowing that right arm to straighten just a little bit while still keeping

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that external rotation position

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because yes this is external rotation but this is also external rotation so

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from the face on view that is external rotation but so is that and training it

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to be a little bit more of the movement where it's external rotation but more

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in line with the shoulder

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can help you get the shalet movement but also control low point so I tend to

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see that as a key differentiator

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alright so I know that I see a few questions coming in so I'll take a quick

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break from the pre-schedule ones and I'll jump in it looks like Dennis had a

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question about strategies to get the sternum facing down ahead of the ball

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by impact tendency is to be late in rotation okay so what he's talking about is

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getting the sternum so I'll use this as my reference but basically getting the

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sternum to be pointing out ahead of the golf ball at impact

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in order to do that the arms have to be more behind my body when I'm making

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contact and my arms have to delay their timing in order to allow my body to get

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if my arms start getting involved too soon and they are working more across my

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body like so and getting out in front of my sternum I'm never going to get it

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so the normal progression would be alright how can I hit some golf balls making

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sure that my chest is open or my sternum is pointing where I want it to be

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so first thing I would do is I would use something like the merry go round and

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I would preset a good impact position and then I would do some little release

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drills or 9 to 3s from there

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if the second I started moving the club video showed or I could see on a mirror

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that I wasn't getting open then I would backtrack it even further and I would

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do something like the pushball drill just to get used to the body being open

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when those arms extend

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so I would work on the position then I would get the movement then I would get

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contact with the ball with the movement and then I would throttle back into

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more like a 3/4 swing or maybe even full swings trying to duplicate that same

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position

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but you've got to work through a logical progression especially if you keep

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banging your head up against the wall basically if you're making the same

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mistake you've got to really either slow it down or shorten it in order to give

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your brain more time and space in order to coordinate that movement

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so I would do merry go round drill I would do pushball drill I would do impact

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fix I would do follow through drills everything getting used to the body being

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open and the arms more behind

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and if you start to find that when you do that you either top the ball hit the

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ball thin I have trouble with low point control I have trouble with face

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control that will point you down what's the most logical next steps

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okay Justin was asking what are the keys to having the low point target side of

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the ball without swinging too much outside in so the keys to that basically

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what he's asking is if I actually don't have a golf ball I'm confident that

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there's not one here in this Airbnb

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so we'll take the mouse and we'll say that here's the golf ball what he's

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saying is basically if I'm swinging through the golf ball how do I get the low

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point out in front of the golf ball like so without swinging too much outside

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because when I swing outside in that does tend to get the low point more

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forward but it gives me a very challenging path to work with right it gives me

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more of a glancing blow so in order to get the low point forward

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I need to have my arms extend more out at the target so the two main factors

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for what control low point are where is your chest turning or your sternum

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pointing and the straightness of your arm specifically that trail arm since the

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right hand is for this down on the grip

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so if the right hand is trying to get into a wrist position like that in a

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straight arm your bottom of the swing is always going to be further back if

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your chest goes more standing up and you're pointing more at the golf ball

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instead of down in front of it

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you will always struggle with the bottom of the swing being behind the golf

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ball so in order to get the bottom of the swing out ahead of the golf ball but

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not come from the inside or sorry not come from the outside come more from the

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I have to have earlier face closing so I have to have the motorcycle movement

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which there are couple questions on and we'll get to next I have to have more

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of the hands more in front of the chest in order to get that arm extension out

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there and my body has to be slightly closer to the ground and more rotated and

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if you get that pattern that typically creates the situation where you'll get

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shaft lean and you'll get the low point out in front of the golf ball without

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swinging too much outside in if I had to pick just one of those to work on it

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would be more of the face rotation component

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because if you the more you shallow things and the more you delay the closing

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the club face or the more you delay the arms those both delay the closing of

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the club face so you have to close it a little bit earlier or differently in

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order to account for that

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okay we'll jump back to Tim Ford who asked about the motorcycle it's one of the

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one of the terms that we use to look at the shaft rotation so basically looking

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at if you have a club face like this twisting around its axis and it's

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typically done by the left wrist and his question was how much when what do you

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how does it relate to shaft lean and how does it relate to side bend and he

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asked what are the best drills to try to encourage it so a bunch of topics

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jumping into the motorcycle and I think I see saw a couple other questions

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related to motorcycle so we'll jump into that too

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okay first one timing of it the the important thing is that it happens by

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impact the the most common the two most common timings are either to do that

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motorcycle to end the top of the backswing or do the motorcycle to start the

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but there are a few guys like say a film Nicholson or Charles how the third or

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John Sendin or Roy Sabatini who have more of a arm pull cast pattern who will

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actually do the motorcycle between shaft parallel and impact so it'll be very

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much a late twisting of the club

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I don't see that one very much with amateurs sorry I think we're back hopefully

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we didn't lose too much I don't see that pattern very much with amateurs

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I tend to see that more with elite level players they kind of find a way to

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square it very much late and still keep speed the problem is with a lot of am

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ateurs if you do that really late they don't feel like it's very powerful

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so the timing is typically either at the top of the swing or during transition

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not everyone associates the top of the swing with when it's actually happening

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so during the backswing is an okay time if you have a hard time coordinating it

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more in transition

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and if it's if you're doing it more in transition I think there's a speed

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advantage to doing it that way but ultimately it just has to be done before you

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get to impact so anytime between takeaway and impact top of the swing in

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transition are the two most common

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how much the average is about 25 degrees of rotation at impact and they'll lose

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a little bit coming into impact so I'm going to say average is probably 30 to

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40 degrees during the golf swing so if you started with about 25 degrees of

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extension of your wrist that means at impact you might have 10 degrees of flex

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or 5 degrees of flex or be pretty close to neutral

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if you tend to grip it more weak so if you're gripping it where the wrist is

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pretty much straight up and down like this then the guys who do that on tour

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would be more like that at impact

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or if you grip it really strong with a lot of extension then you can still have

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a little bit of extension in your wrist when you get to impact and you still

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did the motorcycle movement so it's a relative change compared to where it was

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what happens if you have too much specifically talked about at the top of the

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swing well the more motorcycle you do the more it allows you to delay the arms

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and get your body open

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when it becomes too much in my experience it's almost always too much because

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the body didn't keep rotating and the arms extended and if you're going to have

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more of an arm extension pattern you may play better from a little bit weaker

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and you may play better from a little bit less so more on the 20 degrees of

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motorcycle rather than the max and the one of the other important things is if

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I jump back to that timing is most of the body driven swings will tend to have

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a motorcycle graph that looks pretty gradual

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so basically from the top of the swing down impact it will happen kind of

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smoothly and it will cover the whole range of motion

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what I tend to see cause some problems is especially if you're more of like a

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really aggressive arm puller

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you'll try to close it but you'll do it very quickly so you'll close it like

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this instead of closing it over the whole downswing

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so you close it really rapidly in transition and then you've got nowhere left

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to go and if you don't kind of hold it off on the way through you may hit more

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pulls

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or you could have leading edge contact you could get a little bit steep

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so the we want to tap and at the top of the swing we want to tap and gradually

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we want somewhere around 30 degrees of motorcycle somewhere in that um

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somewhere in that general zone

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how does it relate to shaft lean the more shaft lean you have the more shaft

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the club face will point to the right so you need that motorcycle movement to

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square the face and how does it relate to side bend

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well typically the more side bend you have the more you will pull and create

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shaft lean otherwise you'd hit it fat and so the more side bend you have

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typically the more motorcycle you need

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a good example is a chip shot where you're not really going to have a whole lot

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of side bend and because you're not going to have a whole lot of side bend

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you're not going to have a lot of motorcycle movement you're tending to square

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the face even with that wrist having some extension not really coming in with

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the wrist bowed

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alright let me jump back into the live questions which is perfect timing

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because Bruce he asked is the motorcycle move something that is consciously

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done or is it the result of something else

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the uh I'm going to say both um I there are I've worked with some great players

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who actively think about doing it um I think that if you do it enough like let

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's say you really worked on this for two years

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you probably don't have to think about it too much and you'd be able to um

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focus mostly on just kind of having almost like a dead hands feel a more of a

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body feel

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but if you're used to coming down more with an extended wrist and having a big

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scoop I think at least for a while you're going to have to feel like you're um

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you know doing that motorcycle movement

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now the trick is to get um when you start trying to go from practicing to

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playing you want to shift your focus more from internal thoughts like I'm going

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to flex my wrist to an external thought of more I'm going to lower my initial

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flight

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and I'm going to get the club face more closed so thinking about the club as

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opposed to my hands where in transition it may be great to think about the

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hands that can be one useful way to make it feel more unconscious

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but so I think that many golfers benefit from doing it consciously and you do

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it consciously enough until you don't have to think about it

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the danger with thinking about it too consciously is sometimes if you're overly

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focused on one area it creates almost a tension in the rest of the body so it

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might actually stall your pivot if you're trying to do like if you have too

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much of the attention on the wrist

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and that's where practice comes in where you're able to blend a feel of doing

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the movement but still being able to swing through the ball use your legs use

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your body all that stuff

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all right let me jump back to a couple of the pre-questions so Mark he was

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asking how do you train rotation on the downswing in order to get rid of the

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slide so the slide and the scoop typically go hand in hand

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what will happen is I've never seen a golfer who gets a lot of chef twist and

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white movement like this and also slides because if you did you would tend to

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have a really steep angle of attack and a low point way forward

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so everybody here I can see that my last demo was off screen most of the golf

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ers who I see who struggle with more of a slide they have more of a trail arm

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disconnected into an orientation more of a scoop style release kind of like

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this

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and then they slide in order to get that low point more forward so my best bet

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is if you're trying to get more rotation you have to set up the arm movements

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in the club face position that will make it easier to have those arm movements

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or to have that rotation

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that rotation component the slide complements the flip the motorcycle movement

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complements body rotation so if you have a slide and you have the motorcycle

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movement then it becomes a little bit trickier it's usually looking at muscle

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imbalances and trying to get more of the engine so I probably do some oblique

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testing

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probably do some glute testing just to see how your rotators are working but I

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'd say nine times out of ten the slide is more of a compensation for a release

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pattern than an actual situation itself

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okay I had a question from Jason he was asking also about the motorcycle so

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like I said this one had a pretty heavy motorcycle theme he asked about Palmer

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flexing or just flexing your wrist as most people call it in the backswing how

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does this relate to the high draw and what's like especially if the club is

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facing really closed or skyward at the top

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well in order to hit a high draw you have to have the face close to the path

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and you need to have the path right of the target in order to get the high

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component you need to have either high enough club speed in order to get high

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enough spin or you need to have a high enough launch

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but in order to get it to draw you need to have the path more out to the right

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for right hand golfer and the club face close so having the club face closed

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during the backswing you're kind of rolling those hands under can basically

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guarantee that you're going to have a ball that curves more to the left or

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draws

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I always say if you're trying to make it draw then working on the face to path

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relationship is a really strong component to start with as far as it getting

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too close to the top I talked about that earlier that's only a problem if you

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also

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if you're arm extension timing if you're swinging more at the golf ball instead

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of through the golf ball that can be a problem but if you're trying to draw the

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ball I would rather err on having the club face too closed rather than too open

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and the

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those key movements being the shaft rotation and the path out to the right are

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the two key movements you've got to work on

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okay one last question we're going to jump back into some of the live questions

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and this was a good one Chris was asking about some of these matching pieces so

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you've got Dustin Johnson who appears to have more of a nonstop rotation

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through the

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through impact and then you've got Phil Mickelson who's got more of a stall

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flip pattern and then he actually used Rory so today's winner who gets really

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open but still also stalls

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and then he asked alright you've got golfers who have the pelvis more open the

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pelvis more square the torso more open torso more square you know what do you

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do so here's the here's my overall hierarchy you want to look at the skills you

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're trying to train and then you add the movements to improve the skills so the

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main skills are controlling the flight

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the face to path relationship which will help control whether it goes straight

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or curves right or curves left controlling the path which includes mostly low

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point and swing direction so basically hitting it solidly

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and then creating speed so if you're like for example a golfer like Phil Mickel

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son in order for his pattern what I've what I've seen with golfers you tend to

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be more of that arm pull club steepening and then kind of flip stall on the way

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through

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here's what the main problem with that pattern is is if they swing hard they

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tend to lose club face control so they tend to lose start line and they tend to

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have wild misses so if you're if that's your pattern and let's say you had to

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play tomorrow you're not going to have time to change that pattern I highly

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recommend working on tempo

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the guys who've had that pattern and who've been very accurate tend to really

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throttle back so they tend to be swinging more around like 70 75 percent not 90

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percent if you have a mental constitution where you want to swing hard and you

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really want to like hit the ball as hard as you can then you would probably be

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more accurate with a little bit more shallow shaft earlier face body rotation

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so again it's all about matching those pieces so Rory has a unbelievable

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pattern especially for driver but he can struggle with more of his wedge

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proximity and you can struggle with putting those might be related to why he's

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such a good driver of the golf ball

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so when you're looking at how open the body is how open the chest or the hips

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are you want to factor in what you're physically capable of what your

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capabilities are what skills you're trying to improve and then go from there

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if you're trying to work on low point control and you've got a major stall and

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your body is closed to the target well then you'll probably do better getting

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more open

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so just thinking through the pattern as far as what you want to work on and

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then jumping back to it or working on the complement of your pieces that's the

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pattern I like to use

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okay it looks like Kevin he's asked when I try to flatten the shaft in

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transition and then look at the video on down the line I never get into my

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typical top of backswing spot I get low in flat anticipating the flattening

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move too early

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so what that can either be good or that can be bad so like you know a golfer

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like more of a Jason Duffner has tend tends to have more of a flattening

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movement during the backswing so then he can be a little more aggressive during

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transition and not get too steep

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but if you are working on shallowing then if you're too flat too early then it

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's going to be hard to shallow from that position so one drill that could

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possibly help is doing drills where you hit from the top so you go up to the

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top install

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it will take away some of your upper body power source typically and allow you

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the time and space to work on either shallowing motorcycle movement or

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sequencing and using the lower body which we'll get into in a little bit

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another live question Jason asked is the motorcycle and ulnar deviation done at

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the same time do you need the hips open to impact to have forward shaft lean on

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a full swing

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I'm going to say let me answer the second one first I'm going to say yes the

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lowest I've ever seen on a tour pro is about 20 degrees open with their lower

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body with amateurs I've seen actually close that impact so it's possible to do

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I can't imagine that you would have your pelvis closed and still get the hands

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ahead and not have a really steep angle of attack that becomes the problem is

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you have to understand that the angle of attack and the amount of shaft lean

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are independent variables and if you start if you don't get your body open

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enough it's hard to have shaft lean and not have a steep angle of attack

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okay now the second one is the motorcycle and ulnar deviation done at the same

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time pretty much now here's one of the tricks or caveats that the right hand

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and the left hand are typically doing slightly different things in the golf

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swing

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especially during the early part of the downswing because of how the right hand

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is on the club the increased lag typically happens more from the trail wrist in

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order to get the good pressure point and in order to go into external rotation

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in order to load the wrist

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all that happens in that trail wrist in order to start squaring the face that

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lead wrist is going to tend to go into more of that motorcycle movement and

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because of some of those couple motions you'll tend to go into a little bit

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more ulnar deviation at the same time

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so that's why you'll frequently see golfers grips change a little bit on the

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club by the time it gets an impact I believe Phil Chin said it was about 20

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degrees in his most recent research but the hands definitely change on the grip

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so yes to your question motorcycle and UD are typically done at about the same

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time if you had to break it down to kind of the nano movements motorcycle would

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happen slightly before the ulnar deviation

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okay big will ask what type of swing movements or characteristics are the

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easiest on the lower back and is a lower back friendly swing incompatible with

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high club has been the simple answer is yes the higher you

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higher velocity the more stress that's going to come back through your body now

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if you can distribute that through your whole body then you can handle it

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repetition you know you can handle it 500 reps a day or over the course of a

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decade like you can put in a lot of reps

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but if you already have an area that's kind of a weak point like your lower

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back then the faster that you swing potentially the more stress you're going to

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put into that area especially if using the lower back is one of the major ways

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you create speed

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or your bracing strategy puts extra stress in the lower back so if I had to

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design a lower back friendly swing one of the most important things that I

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would try to include would be more of a gradual tempo through impact so that

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there was no real jarring movement

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you could potentially get more speed from your arms but one of the big keys

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would be trying to have really soft arms soft shoulders soft jaw to create less

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of an impulse at impact and more of kind of a gradual absorption of that speed

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now the hard thing is that might not be how you feel powerful but it wouldn't

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really cost you too much in terms of club speed

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alright let me get back to a few of these good email questions that I got and

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then hopefully we'll tie things up with a few more of the live questions so

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Robbie

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Robbie asked about footwork his question was basically footwork is often talked

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about like hey footwork is really important but it's not really discussed in

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too much detail

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what do I like to see in the full swing so I'll give kind of just a real quick

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overview of footwork because you can get into specific details and should the

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footwork of someone who has more of a pronated foot or neutral foot

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or even a various foot would their footwork be exactly the same it's hard to

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say

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okay the basic pattern that I like to see is let's talk about three main

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movements of the foot we'll talk about kind of rolling or pronation supination

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of the foot

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we'll talk about flexing or kind of you know pushing through the ground and

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then we'll talk about like rotating the ankle or pivoting the foot this way

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in general the pattern that you're going to see with good ball strikers is they

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're going to pronate the foot first then they're going to push through the

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ground and then around impact or usually after impact they'll start to go into

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rotation

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typically what happens with amateurs is they don't roll the foot they'll push

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and then they'll go into rotation so one he has to you know what's something

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you can look for on video

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one easy way is if we're looking at the foot and you kind of had a line on the

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outside of the foot what you'll tend to see is during the downswing

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the foot would never like the heel would never cross through that line

460
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typically if they're not rolling or extending if they're getting into that

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00:37:20.080 --> 00:37:22.600
rotation first they'll pivot more around the toe of the trail foot

462
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and they'll see that heel go away from the target first so that should help

463
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give you kind of an overview at least of what's going on with the trail foot

464
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the lead foot is a little bit simpler it's just the weight gets into the toe

465
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and then it translates into the heel how it translates into the heel and what

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the hip and the shoulders are doing it's probably a little bit more detailed

467
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but the trail foot itself is a little bit more complicated it's just got this

468
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banking movement which happens more from the midfoot and then the push movement

469
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which happens more from the hip

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and then the rotation which happens more as a result of what the arms are doing

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on the way through

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okay Patrick asked a question about Davis Love describing a pull the quiver

473
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this way in asking how does that actually create power so he sent a video of

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basically Davis Love talking about how at the top of the swing he tries to pull

475
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that way as opposed to pulling down

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and what happens is in the transition if I'm actually pushing this way with

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that left hand that will tend to cause a little bit more trail risk extension

478
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and really good loading of those arms

479
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that tends to allow me to work more rotationally tend to allow me to work more

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with my whole body if I tend to get pulling more down vertically with the arms

481
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that will tend to kick the club out which would feel like the risks are going

482
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more that way

483
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pushing out almost encourages that downswing lag which contributes to better

484
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sequencing and total body contribution and that sequencing and total body

485
00:39:08.600 --> 00:39:12.600
contribution can relate to speed generation

486
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so he asked the lower body in the backswing is it detrimental to have the lower

487
00:39:29.640 --> 00:39:33.180
body drop down in the backswing he specifically talked about the head the hard

488
00:39:33.180 --> 00:39:37.600
thing is the head is not one of the more accurate things to measure 3D wise

489
00:39:37.600 --> 00:39:41.600
because at least on AMM they use the sensor to digitize the rest of the body

490
00:39:41.600 --> 00:39:48.270
some of the other systems are a little bit better with the head but most of the

491
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3D data I've seen is AMM

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and the other thing is you could have your head lower in a variety of different

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ways you could have your head lower from side bend you could have your head

494
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lower from tucking your chin you could have your head lower from what your hips

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are doing

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there's a lot of different ways to lower the head so what I've seen is that the

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thorax typically on average will drop about 1-2 inches if you assume that the

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neck stays pretty much neutral or even shortens from getting into a little bit

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of left tilt

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then you would expect that most people's heads would drop a little bit in the

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backswing so I would say that that's not going to be detrimental as far as

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creating speed

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how do you get fully rotated at p8 so for those I'm not familiar with the p-

504
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system let's say impact is p7 they kind of go through so p8 is about when the

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shaft is parallel to the ground

506
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and basically asking how do I get my body facing the target now the biggest

507
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barrier to getting your body open at p8 is the amount of rotation in that lead

508
00:41:01.290 --> 00:41:04.600
hip so making sure that you have enough left foot turn out or left foot turn

509
00:41:04.600 --> 00:41:04.600
out

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or left foot flare so that your body can face the target is one of the biggest

511
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barriers if that's not the case if you can get there without a golf club if you

512
00:41:15.150 --> 00:41:20.600
can just pose it then it usually comes down to club face or low point control

513
00:41:20.600 --> 00:41:25.010
and basically you're using earlier arm action in order to square the face or

514
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control low point so you have to do a little investigating and figure out which

515
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of those two it is because they have slightly different solutions

516
00:41:33.600 --> 00:41:41.140
all right back to the live questions Ryan is asking I fight a steep hook

517
00:41:41.140 --> 00:41:46.040
pattern with early extension working on the motorcycle to shallow but struggle

518
00:41:46.040 --> 00:41:50.930
to delay the arms long enough to avoid close face trying to get the body open

519
00:41:50.930 --> 00:41:55.600
to impact steepens the path and defeats my shallowing progress any suggestions

520
00:41:55.600 --> 00:42:02.210
you know it is a it is one of the more frustrating patterns when you're steep

521
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and from the inside which can cause steep miss patterns as well as hook or

522
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overly into out patterns

523
00:42:10.600 --> 00:42:16.450
okay so how do you I would say that I'm just going off a hunch based on your

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description but the owner deviation is probably the bigger key shallowing

525
00:42:22.680 --> 00:42:29.600
movement then getting the arm extension or sorry the arm rotation

526
00:42:29.600 --> 00:42:38.300
so working on getting the club to be more down back there will allow your body

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00:42:38.300 --> 00:42:45.020
to rotate without getting too steep the problem is that body rotation if you

528
00:42:45.020 --> 00:42:50.600
have the shaft in a neutral position will tend to cause the club to swing on

529
00:42:50.600 --> 00:42:55.600
more of a lower vertical swing plane and tend to get really steep

530
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so working on shallowing and almost pointing back about 45 degrees and then

531
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allowing that body rotation to take the arms a little bit more around to the

532
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left

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I've got a number of sights on the or drills on the site the hit my arm is real

534
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the drill with the foam rollers hands in club out there's a bunch of different

535
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ways to work on that follow through side and then the isolated unhinged impact

536
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face rotation with impact bag

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or a couple different ways there but there's a variety for working on ulnar

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00:43:29.140 --> 00:43:33.090
deviation or unhinged if you search those topics on the site they will probably

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point you in the right direction of how to shallow and how that works with body

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rotation

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all right we're going to do just a couple more I don't think we'll be able to

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get to everybody's questions today because I've got a few left on the emails

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and I can see there's half a dozen or so here so we'll probably schedule

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another Q&A in the next week or so

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all right let's see Nick is asking can you explain how and why the COM moves

546
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upward at the change of direction how do you get the ulnar deviation without

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early releasing

548
00:44:14.600 --> 00:44:23.630
so the that kind of relates to the quiver question as far as how the COM moves

549
00:44:23.630 --> 00:44:32.910
upward basically if I let's see the easiest way to to phrase this if I was to

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00:44:32.910 --> 00:44:37.370
pull down when you're looking at the the overall force and you're looking at

551
00:44:37.370 --> 00:44:42.130
the COM you want to look at okay here's my golf club the balance point is right

552
00:44:42.130 --> 00:44:42.600
around here

553
00:44:42.600 --> 00:44:47.850
right so the one of the classic examples is Sergio is someone who probably does

554
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not have the force going upward in transition because his if you look at that

555
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:56.600
point during transition it will actually come down

556
00:44:56.600 --> 00:45:01.700
one thing is where where most people have it if you tried to pull that down

557
00:45:01.700 --> 00:45:06.880
either your body would get in the way you wouldn't be able to really rotate

558
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:13.820
because you'll watch if I keep my hands on the club and I rotate my body the

559
00:45:13.820 --> 00:45:18.600
center here actually travels slightly up that way and around

560
00:45:18.600 --> 00:45:24.090
so it would be really hard to get the center of mass to go downward first

561
00:45:24.090 --> 00:45:29.950
during that early part of transition you would have to have you know one way

562
00:45:29.950 --> 00:45:34.380
would be to kind of delay any risk cock and then really kind of load it on the

563
00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:35.600
way down

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but it would also take usually staying really close to the target more like

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Sergio if you start rotating with your body your hands are going to tend to

566
00:45:44.570 --> 00:45:49.960
follow the chest rotation of the body rotation and that's typically going to

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cause a little bit of the COM moving upward

568
00:45:52.600 --> 00:46:02.000
how do you get older deviation without early releasing I've got a couple videos

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on casting versus or how older deviation relates to lag and basically older

570
00:46:09.860 --> 00:46:13.720
deviation doesn't necessarily create early releasing because there's two

571
00:46:13.720 --> 00:46:14.600
different ways to look at early releasing

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00:46:14.600 --> 00:46:20.240
one would be the vertical height and then two would be the rotational movement

573
00:46:20.240 --> 00:46:25.770
and so I can only deviate and still keep the club way behind rotationally so

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00:46:25.770 --> 00:46:28.600
that I still have lag coming into impact

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00:46:28.600 --> 00:46:33.210
the opposite I could get the club in front of me and keep the club up really

576
00:46:33.210 --> 00:46:40.600
high and I'd have to release earlier in order to shallow it out and get the

577
00:46:40.600 --> 00:46:43.600
hands down or get the club down to impact

578
00:46:43.600 --> 00:46:48.410
so looking at the club being more behind as a source of lag might change your

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00:46:48.410 --> 00:46:54.080
definition of early releasing because most of the torpros I've seen have

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00:46:54.080 --> 00:47:00.600
significantly much earlier only deviation than what most people think

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okay let me jump back to a couple the last couple questions here and then I'll

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just have to save the questions that have been asked and be sure to answer

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00:47:14.140 --> 00:47:17.600
those at the beginning next time

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00:47:17.600 --> 00:47:24.690
all right Fred asks about the the stock tour swing and basically what would

585
00:47:24.690 --> 00:47:31.840
normal pelvis grand bends kinematic sequence pelvic angles look like is there a

586
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:33.600
difference between the iron and the driver

587
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okay so from the pelvis bend basically maintaining your core as you go into the

588
00:47:42.340 --> 00:47:43.600
backswing

589
00:47:43.600 --> 00:47:48.730
so the the graph would basically look like it has more of a flat line instead

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00:47:48.730 --> 00:47:53.830
of really dropping down or even going up there might be a little bit of

591
00:47:53.830 --> 00:47:58.600
extension in the transition phase and then there'll be a pretty good posterior

592
00:47:58.600 --> 00:47:59.600
tilt

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00:47:59.600 --> 00:48:08.350
or using of the abs during transition or sorry during the release the pelvis

594
00:48:08.350 --> 00:48:13.110
angles looking at side bend typically during the side bend you'll have

595
00:48:13.110 --> 00:48:16.600
somewhere around 10 degrees of left tilt in the backswing and then

596
00:48:16.600 --> 00:48:21.360
right tilt during the downswing and kinematic sequence wise there's lots of

597
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:26.600
information about the kinematic sequence I don't think

598
00:48:26.600 --> 00:48:32.090
I think having a transition sequence of lower body arms in club somewhere

599
00:48:32.090 --> 00:48:38.090
around the same time but after lower body in peaking order all make sense I don

600
00:48:38.090 --> 00:48:45.600
't think that it has to be quite as clean as what has been touted before

601
00:48:45.600 --> 00:48:49.890
I've seen a lot of really good ball strikers who don't have what would be

602
00:48:49.890 --> 00:48:54.810
called the perfect kinematic sequence or perfect peaking order but transition

603
00:48:54.810 --> 00:48:58.830
sequence and the club accelerating all the way to impact or two patterns that I

604
00:48:58.830 --> 00:49:02.600
typically look for

605
00:49:02.600 --> 00:49:08.730
getting the iron and the driver kinematic sequence wise when you get to short

606
00:49:08.730 --> 00:49:14.700
irons they become more of a cast pattern less of this really dynamic load and

607
00:49:14.700 --> 00:49:16.600
they'll tend to be less of access tilt

608
00:49:16.600 --> 00:49:20.940
there's an I did a video on our presentation a couple years ago at the World

609
00:49:20.940 --> 00:49:25.730
Golf fitness summit on the 3D differences between the two I'd say that would be

610
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a good place to start if you're looking for the graphs

611
00:49:28.600 --> 00:49:35.010
Brian had a question about transition power sources he asked how is the crunch

612
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or side bend a power source he kind of understood how the back extension could

613
00:49:38.810 --> 00:49:43.090
be a power source but he was having a hard time with how could a crunch or side

614
00:49:43.090 --> 00:49:44.600
bend be the power source

615
00:49:44.600 --> 00:49:50.390
well basically anything that I can do to move this club can be a power source

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00:49:50.390 --> 00:49:56.090
and so when I flex my trunk imagine like a soccer throw in that would be more

617
00:49:56.090 --> 00:50:03.600
of a flex pattern or imagine a you know an axman using or you know lumberjack

618
00:50:03.600 --> 00:50:07.600
using a hammer or sorry using an axe or a sledge hammer

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that forward flexion pattern of that crunch can be very powerful the side bend

620
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is a little trickier to see because it's usually not a major power source and a

621
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lot of other activities but it can be more of an oblique type thing and it can

622
00:50:25.050 --> 00:50:27.600
really help with pulling those arms down

623
00:50:27.600 --> 00:50:32.440
that can be a big barrier for golfers who struggle with wedge play is getting

624
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:37.060
more of that vertical drop from side bend power source as opposed to just

625
00:50:37.060 --> 00:50:42.600
letting the arms fall but anything that moves the grip can be a power source

626
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and because we want to go into more of a positive

627
00:50:46.600 --> 00:50:51.530
torsion a combination of flexing forward and rotating and side bending during

628
00:50:51.530 --> 00:50:57.400
the early part of the downswing going into that back extension usually causes

629
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:01.600
more problems than the speed benefits

630
00:51:01.600 --> 00:51:05.520
if you're a long drive guy and you're always hitting it off a tee then the

631
00:51:05.520 --> 00:51:09.510
extension power source makes a lot of sense but if you have to control low

632
00:51:09.510 --> 00:51:11.600
point it becomes a bit of a problem

633
00:51:11.600 --> 00:51:19.880
and last question guy asked about lordosis in the transition and basically you

634
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:25.100
know kelvin meharas talked about kind of some of the spinal engine stuff and

635
00:51:25.100 --> 00:51:28.600
locking the facet joints

636
00:51:28.600 --> 00:51:34.390
I'm not 100% on I'm not 100% convinced that it happens in golf in order to lock

637
00:51:34.390 --> 00:51:40.300
the facet joints you would need to go into full range of motion or go near full

638
00:51:40.300 --> 00:51:41.600
extension

639
00:51:41.600 --> 00:51:46.650
so let's say that you've got somewhere between 20 and 40 degrees of spine

640
00:51:46.650 --> 00:51:52.140
extension in the lumbar spine I don't see that much extension what I typically

641
00:51:52.140 --> 00:51:58.960
see on 3D graphs is maybe a few degrees up to 5 degrees of kind of going in

642
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:02.600
that anterior tilt

643
00:52:02.600 --> 00:52:08.370
that can stretch the obliques and preload the abs so that then when you rotate

644
00:52:08.370 --> 00:52:13.780
them it becomes a power source but I don't see it as a spinal engine lumbar

645
00:52:13.780 --> 00:52:14.600
locking

646
00:52:14.600 --> 00:52:20.750
I'd have to see some higher numbers in terms of extension side bend for me to

647
00:52:20.750 --> 00:52:27.230
buy into that pattern so I'm a bigger fan of training more of a unified or

648
00:52:27.230 --> 00:52:31.600
connected core instead of just trying to extend

649
00:52:31.600 --> 00:52:36.640
the lumbar spine I like to think of the whole spine working as a unit starting

650
00:52:36.640 --> 00:52:41.910
at the sacrum and if you're going to work that way it's tending to go into more

651
00:52:41.910 --> 00:52:44.600
of a positive torsion not so much the extension

652
00:52:44.600 --> 00:52:48.600
and you'll just have a little bit of maybe a stretch shortened beforehand

653
00:52:48.600 --> 00:52:58.330
okay so like I said I will write down or I'll copy all the questions that I

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didn't get to this time and we'll get another lives Q&A scheduled hopefully in

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answered at the next Q&A so greetings again from Montreal hopefully everybody

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enjoyed the golf today and I look forward to answering more of your questions

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at the next live Q&A session