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In this golf sport insight, we're going to take a look at what we can learn

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about the

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golf swing from throwing a frisbee.

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So I've seen a handful, you know, three different instructors present videos

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about throwing

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frisbees and how you can learn some key things about the golf swing, you know,

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if you're

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learning to throw them left-handed.

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I've seen everything from you can learn how to bow that left wrist and then

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extend it

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through the shot, you can learn about sequencing and kind of spinning that body

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as a main power

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source.

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Lots of different things.

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Now, one of my other sports, you know, handful of years ago before my injury, I

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used to play

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not professional, but competitive disc golf.

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So with my mind, I would study, you know, looking at, I had my Casio and I

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would take

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high-speed video of the good players in the area.

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I would study it just like I was studying the golf swing.

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So I want to, I want to dissuade a couple kind of myths because I think that

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what they usually

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say about how you apply it to the golf swing is 100%.

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You know, if you bow that lead wrist early, if you sequence it and then down at

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the bottom,

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we'll talk about this in the golf section.

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But if you let that lead wrist come out of flexion, that's going to tend to

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produce some

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really good contact, really good flight, good spin loft, a lot of good things.

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The way that they describe it in the frisbee throw, I think is a little bit

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reaching.

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It's almost like retrofitting what we want in the golf swing to make it look

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like it should

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happen in disc golf.

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I had some struggles because I knew how to create rotational speed.

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I knew this good wrist mechanics from the golf swing.

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And initially, I struggled a little bit with certain shots when it came to disc

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golf because

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I was trying to apply those same principles.

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So I'm going to use a couple of my mid-range discs.

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Those are most like kind of your neighborhood ultimate frisbees, but disc golf

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discs tend

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to have more of the waiting out around the rim, less in the middle so you can

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throw them

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further.

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These guys tend to be closer and then we'll look at some driver throws.

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So one of the things that I frequently hear is that you're going to flex that

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wrist and

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you're basically going to spin your body and then you're going to extend it

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kind of like

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so.

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Now, if I was to actually do that, what you'll see is I'm going to flex and I'm

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going to

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spin and I'm going to throw and that actually, you know, it works, it doesn't

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look that bad.

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But if you get a trained eye, you'll kind of see that it stalled out and it

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didn't

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really cut through the air very well.

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Now to throw a good frisbee disc, what I'm actually going to do is I'm going to

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try to

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keep my wrist in neutral position, but I'm going to try and pull this across my

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body.

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So I'm not going to spin my body, I'm actually going to feel like my body stays

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pretty square

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to the target line and I'm going to use more of almost like starting a lawn m

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ower and trying

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to get this disc to go in a straight line, straight across my body towards the

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target.

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So what ends up happening is I'm going to keep this wrist pretty firm and then

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once

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my shoulder and elbow run out of room and now it's going to flex very close to

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the release

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point and then as I go to extend, it's going to approach neutral.

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It's never really going to get into extension, it's just going to approach

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neutral and by

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doing so, I get this much later acceleration of the disc and I'm able to create

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a lot more

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spin compared to if I had it bent like this, I'm going to tend to run out of

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room sooner.

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So I'm actually going to start unwinding too soon which is going to impede my

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ability

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to put spin.

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So now if I just kind of am casually playing catch but I do it in more of this

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disc golf

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method, you'll see that the disc, it's still going to kind of fall out of the

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sky that

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way because I left it a little bit on edge but you see how the disc cuts

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through the

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air.

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Now, they always use the example of just throwing a neighborhood frisbee but I

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want to show

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that it'll get exaggerated when you take a heavier disc with the weighting more

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around

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the perimeter like we use in disc golf.

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So for example, I'm going to take this disc right here and use the method that

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they're

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frequently talking about which is I'm going to cut that wrist and just spin my

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body and

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release it kind of like this and you'll see that it has a decent flight to it

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but I want

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you to compare, if I spin more to create that speed, it's just going to go up

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and stall.

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Compare that to a more traditional kind of actual disc golf drive where all the

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speed

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is happening late and you'll see that that's going to probably go 50 feet

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further which

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is very significant for this, 50 feet further than what I just did with just

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the body spinning

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as my main power source.

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I remember talking to a competitive disc golfer who had just come back from

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worlds and this

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was the area that was sore for him, not his core and his hips.

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So that pull where we get a lot of our power in a good disc golf drive.

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So I pulled that a little bit but that's more the flight that we're kind of

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going for and

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you can't get that flight if you're bowing this wrist too soon or if you're

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spinning your

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body.

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You have to pull across your body to keep that wrist neutral.

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Now let's take a look at what we can learn about the golf swing from looking at

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these

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disc golf mechanics.

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Alright, so we just finished looking at how the wrist actually works when we're

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trying

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to do a really good distance drive where it's not really going to be cupped in

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maximum

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flexion and then going to extension because that actually causes the disc to

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lose speed

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and kind of spin out of its flight prematurely.

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We're going to actually hold that fairly rigid and it's not going to go into

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flexion until

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late in this swing and then it's going to work more towards neutral, it's not

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going to snap into extension, it's just going to work towards neutral as it

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goes through

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kind of that release phase.

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So how does that apply to the golf swing?

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Well there are two key times during the golf swing where this lead wrist is

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really changing its movement pattern.

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One is going to be as we're starting down what I refer to as the motorcycle

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where the

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weight of the club similar to the pull from the arm is going to cause this

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wrist to go

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in towards flexion.

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I find that when a new golfer or when a golfer who has been stuck in this

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extension pattern

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is trying to get this a little bit better body pivot, a little bit better

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sequencing.

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It's normal to have to force the flexion early on but ultimately that flexion

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come as a passive movement from what the body is doing.

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The second time is the one that I think is the least discussed which would be

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down in

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the impact zone.

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So we look on 3D and we can see that the wrist is going in towards extension.

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Well similar to that frisbee throw, when I'm throwing a drive in frisbee I'm

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not ever thinking

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about trying to unhinge or release this wrist.

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What ends up happening is I run out of room in my arm and my shoulder and my

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elbow is

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working away from my wrist and that causes it to come out of that flex position

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Similar thing is happening in golf.

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So as I've gotten down into this really good delivery position what will happen

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is as the

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body is bracing my wrist is slightly flexed.

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I'm exaggerating it for the purpose here and the weight of the club is back

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here so it's

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kind of pulling against my wrist this way.

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But then what happens is it's got a lot of momentum so it wants to pull my

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wrist this

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way and this elbow is getting pulled from the shoulder.

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So I'm getting my forearm getting pulled this way and my hand getting pulled

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that way it

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would take a massive effort to prevent any of this extension.

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But that doesn't mean that adding active extension down at the bottom is going

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to increase

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my club head speed.

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In fact I would guess that it would probably do the opposite because by

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resisting it you're

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actually going to get more of a stretch shortened in the extensors of the wrist

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where if you're

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actively doing it it would just be a concentric or active movement.

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So hopefully this helps you see and understand how these two key wrist phases

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can actually

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relate to what we do with the disc golf.

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But the disc golf is not going to reveal that we want to have kind of max

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extension spin

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from the body and then or sorry max flexion spin from the body and then extend

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that wrist

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through impact that's not what's happening just like in the golf swing.

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I'm not going to be actively extending that wrist down through impact it's more

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going

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to be a product of these two competing forces the momentum of the club pulling

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me away as

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my shoulder pulls from the opposite end causing everything to want to line up.

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So if you like the way we break down how frisbee golf can relate to the golf

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swing you'll love

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how we break down the different phases of how to train your golf swing at Golf

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