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Insight - Investigating Alpha Torque in the Golf Swing
In this video, Tyler breaks down the controversy surrounding Alpha Torque in the golf swing. In this video, he will discuss:
- What does it mean?
- Why is it a big deal?
- What would you expect to see?
- What are the controversies surrounding this measurement?
In this video, Tyler breaks down the controversy surrounding Alpha Torque in the golf swing. In this video, he will discuss:
- What does it mean?
- Why is it a big deal?
- What would you expect to see?
- What are the controversies surrounding this measurement?
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Video Transcript
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In this golf smart insight,
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we're going to investigate alpha torque.
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So I had a question post to me actually a couple of months ago,
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but I've gotten around to kind of
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organizing my thoughts and wanted to share it now.
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But I got a question a couple of months ago about alpha torque, right?
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Like there's these alpha graphs that are popping up on forums and blogs,
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and they can be a little confusing.
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So I thought I would do a video to help explain A what is alpha,
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why is it significant? B what would you expect to see?
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Just kind of thinking through it logically and then see what are some of the
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controversies?
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Like why has this become kind of a big deal and debate between a couple of
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different camps?
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So first, let's define what is alpha.
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So alpha classically has been defined as in-plane torque or in-plane force.
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So if I take my hula hoop here,
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we'll pretend that this is the functional swing plane.
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Anything that moves the club in the plane of motion is going to be alpha.
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Now it can be an alpha force where I'm kind of moving the whole shaft as a unit
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,
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or it could be a torque where I'm creating some rotation.
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But anything where I'm moving in the plane of motion is going to be alpha.
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We can compare that to what they call beta,
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which would be kind of slicing through the swing plane,
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anything like this, or gamma, which would be rotating within the swing plane.
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So alpha is the in-plane movement.
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Now why is alpha special or why is it significant and why should we study it?
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Well, one researcher has shown that the magnitude of alpha force during the
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downswing
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has a 0.94 correlation with clubhead speed.
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And clubhead speed has a huge correlation with ball speed.
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So basically if you want to hit it further, you have to apply more alpha torque
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.
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Now that by itself doesn't really give you a whole lot to go on,
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but it does tell us that this is probably an interesting parameter
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that we should continue to study.
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So then we know alpha is in-plane movement or at least that's how it's been
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classically defined. What should we expect to see?
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Well, when we have all these changes and we have these three different planes
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of
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movement and rotation, things can get a little complicated.
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So let's use a linear example to try to explain and understand
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what we might expect to see looking at an alpha torque graph.
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So instead of having torques, we're just going to have forces
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because we're going to do a linear model here.
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So what I'm going to do is I'm going to pull this back and then I'm
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basically going to pretend I was like throwing a javelin, right?
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So it's going to go back and then go like this.
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And I'm going to try to do it with a little bit of speed.
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Okay, we can see the similarities between a golf swing,
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where I would pull it back and then try to create a bunch of speed and then
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have to slow it down. So we can see how the model
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will work for this linear and then we can extrapolate what we can for the
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rotations. All right, so right now this thing is
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just hanging out in space and it's not going to move unless I apply a force to
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it. So I'm going to apply a negative force,
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which would be in this backswing direction.
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Now if I just kept, if I only applied this negative force,
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this thing would move infinitely in that direction
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and it would basically run through walls and whatever.
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I need to apply a positive torque or sorry a positive force
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in that direction in order to stop it from moving that way.
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So I apply a force this way somewhere around here. I shift and now
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I'm applying that a force in that direction to help slow it down.
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I'm going to continue applying a force in that direction until I reach
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maximum and then now I'm going to be applying a force
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away in order to decelerate it. So it would be
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negative, positive, positive, positive, negative.
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Something like that is what we would expect to see
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when we're looking at this alpha torque because
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basically what we would see with the golf swing is we should see
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a negative movement to help start the club moving.
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Then somewhere up around here I'm going to have to start applying a
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positive torque to prevent the club from
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continuing its backswing direction. If I continued to apply a negative
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torque then the club would continue moving in that backswing direction and
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basically speed up as it approached the ground.
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So I'm going to apply a positive to slow it down and then I'm going to keep
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applying positive until I get to around this waist height position.
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We'll talk about that in a second but I'm going to keep applying positive
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until I get to somewhere around here. The club head speed and the positive
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movement of the club is going to continue all the way to impact and then
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it's going to basically go to zero at impact and then it's
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I'm now going to apply that negative torque to
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slow the club down safely as I make it my way into the finish.
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That's what we would expect to see. Now why would we expect to see it go from
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positive to negative somewhere around shaft parallel?
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Well what'll happen is I get this club moving
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fast and somewhat aggressively and it gets to a point where I can no longer
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add speed to the system and me trying to add speed
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potentially could slow it down. Potentially could mess up my geometry,
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affect my low point, affect my consistency but the big
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thing is it could potentially cause me to
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put myself in a position where I might injure myself and for no added speed
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benefit. The example that is frequently used is if I'm
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riding a bike downhill right so I'm riding a bike downhill
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and I get to a point where the pedals are moving so fast that I can't pump
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any faster is just already going. In fact if my feet were actually clipped
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into the bike you you can imagine getting to a point where my body is
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actually going to slow down what the bike would be capable of doing on its own
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and that's pretty much what happens when I get to about shaft parallel
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is I'm going to more or less focus on just
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directing that energy. I can't really add anything more
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with that trailhand. So that's why we would expect to see a very
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similar pattern to this. We would expect to see
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the club accelerating all the way until impact and then
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rapidly decelerating. In fact the torque will be zero
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or really close to zero at impact to allow me to
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safely decelerate it in the backswing or in the
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follow through. So now what is the controversy
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with alpha right? Well there's a number of researchers looking at it
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Dr. Kwan, Dr. Mackenzie, Dr. Neil. They're all kind of seeing a similar pattern
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to
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what I've just demonstrated here but then there's
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one commercial group, Jacob's 3D, and that one is being
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operated by golf pros and they're showing some things that we would
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not typically expect to see with this alpha torque.
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So that's where the question came up. Specifically
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there are two times where they're showing something differently
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and basically what this is leading guys like me to think is
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either they've changed the definition of alpha so they're measuring
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something different than alpha but calling it alpha
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and alpha already has this kind of established definition of
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in-plane movement. So that's just a little confusing
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or they're calling it in-plane movement and they're just measuring it
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differently and they have to explain why
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well it would help if they would explain why they chose these differences
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since the pure mechanics don't match up with what they're saying.
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For example there are two major times that I've seen graphs or
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quivers or whatever that cause a little bit of confusion.
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One would be at the top where they say that it should be applying a
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negative, I should be applying a negative torque
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at the top of the swing and into the downswing and as I showed
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if I was truly applying a negative torque then it wouldn't be the end of the
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backswing because the club would continue moving
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in that direction. The other point in time is down near
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impact so basically what they are saying and what they've shown is that
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you can apply positive alpha torque so in the direction of target
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after impact which basically doesn't make sense it's kind of like that
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downhill bike analogy where I get this thing to a point where I can no
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longer add speed and now you're telling me I can add even more and
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more speed. It doesn't quite match up with what
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should be happening with the mechanics and it would potentially put me in a
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position to injure myself in the follow through.
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So that ultimately brings me to my conclusion for this video which is
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basically helping you see the thought process that you should have as a
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critical thinker and a golfer. I don't think you should just rely
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exclusively on one person's opinion. Your goal should be to
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understand what's actually going on and how it applies to either you as
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the student or your students if you're a coach.
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So in this particular example golf science can give us a lot of great
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information on how I'm pulling on the club.
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Just like 3D you know kinematic data can show us
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positions or velocities and things that are very very useful.
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Force plates can show me how my feet are working with the ground.
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Ball flight monitors can show me how the club and the ball are
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interacting. All that is useful data but they are all
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perspectives on the global hole which is a movement.
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So understanding how the body moves and how it creates the
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the golf swing will ultimately help you understand
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which of these you know new graphs or new pieces of information are going to be
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really helpful and which pieces may be really neat to know but
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not so practical on the range. I'm not saying this is either of those.
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I just want you to think about it from those perspectives.
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So if you have a question about something that gets brought up in
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any of the blogs or forums or the golf science world and you'd like to have
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it clarified either reach out to the researchers
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directly because they've been great at answering my questions
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or message me and I'll reach out to them and hopefully put together a video to
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help clarify what it is that's causing you problems.
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In this golf smart insight,
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we're going to investigate alpha torque.
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So I had a question post to me actually a couple of months ago,
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but I've gotten around to kind of
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organizing my thoughts and wanted to share it now.
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But I got a question a couple of months ago about alpha torque, right?
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Like there's these alpha graphs that are popping up on forums and blogs,
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and they can be a little confusing.
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So I thought I would do a video to help explain A what is alpha,
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why is it significant? B what would you expect to see?
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Just kind of thinking through it logically and then see what are some of the
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controversies?
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Like why has this become kind of a big deal and debate between a couple of
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different camps?
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So first, let's define what is alpha.
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So alpha classically has been defined as in-plane torque or in-plane force.
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So if I take my hula hoop here,
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we'll pretend that this is the functional swing plane.
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Anything that moves the club in the plane of motion is going to be alpha.
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Now it can be an alpha force where I'm kind of moving the whole shaft as a unit
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,
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or it could be a torque where I'm creating some rotation.
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But anything where I'm moving in the plane of motion is going to be alpha.
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We can compare that to what they call beta,
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which would be kind of slicing through the swing plane,
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anything like this, or gamma, which would be rotating within the swing plane.
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So alpha is the in-plane movement.
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Now why is alpha special or why is it significant and why should we study it?
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Well, one researcher has shown that the magnitude of alpha force during the
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downswing
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has a 0.94 correlation with clubhead speed.
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And clubhead speed has a huge correlation with ball speed.
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So basically if you want to hit it further, you have to apply more alpha torque
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.
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Now that by itself doesn't really give you a whole lot to go on,
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but it does tell us that this is probably an interesting parameter
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that we should continue to study.
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So then we know alpha is in-plane movement or at least that's how it's been
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classically defined. What should we expect to see?
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Well, when we have all these changes and we have these three different planes
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of
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movement and rotation, things can get a little complicated.
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So let's use a linear example to try to explain and understand
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what we might expect to see looking at an alpha torque graph.
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So instead of having torques, we're just going to have forces
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because we're going to do a linear model here.
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So what I'm going to do is I'm going to pull this back and then I'm
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basically going to pretend I was like throwing a javelin, right?
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So it's going to go back and then go like this.
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And I'm going to try to do it with a little bit of speed.
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Okay, we can see the similarities between a golf swing,
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where I would pull it back and then try to create a bunch of speed and then
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have to slow it down. So we can see how the model
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will work for this linear and then we can extrapolate what we can for the
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rotations. All right, so right now this thing is
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just hanging out in space and it's not going to move unless I apply a force to
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it. So I'm going to apply a negative force,
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which would be in this backswing direction.
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Now if I just kept, if I only applied this negative force,
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this thing would move infinitely in that direction
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and it would basically run through walls and whatever.
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I need to apply a positive torque or sorry a positive force
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in that direction in order to stop it from moving that way.
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So I apply a force this way somewhere around here. I shift and now
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I'm applying that a force in that direction to help slow it down.
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I'm going to continue applying a force in that direction until I reach
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maximum and then now I'm going to be applying a force
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away in order to decelerate it. So it would be
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negative, positive, positive, positive, negative.
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Something like that is what we would expect to see
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when we're looking at this alpha torque because
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basically what we would see with the golf swing is we should see
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a negative movement to help start the club moving.
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Then somewhere up around here I'm going to have to start applying a
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positive torque to prevent the club from
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continuing its backswing direction. If I continued to apply a negative
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torque then the club would continue moving in that backswing direction and
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basically speed up as it approached the ground.
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So I'm going to apply a positive to slow it down and then I'm going to keep
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applying positive until I get to around this waist height position.
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We'll talk about that in a second but I'm going to keep applying positive
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until I get to somewhere around here. The club head speed and the positive
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movement of the club is going to continue all the way to impact and then
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it's going to basically go to zero at impact and then it's
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I'm now going to apply that negative torque to
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slow the club down safely as I make it my way into the finish.
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That's what we would expect to see. Now why would we expect to see it go from
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positive to negative somewhere around shaft parallel?
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Well what'll happen is I get this club moving
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fast and somewhat aggressively and it gets to a point where I can no longer
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add speed to the system and me trying to add speed
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potentially could slow it down. Potentially could mess up my geometry,
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affect my low point, affect my consistency but the big
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thing is it could potentially cause me to
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put myself in a position where I might injure myself and for no added speed
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benefit. The example that is frequently used is if I'm
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riding a bike downhill right so I'm riding a bike downhill
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and I get to a point where the pedals are moving so fast that I can't pump
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any faster is just already going. In fact if my feet were actually clipped
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into the bike you you can imagine getting to a point where my body is
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actually going to slow down what the bike would be capable of doing on its own
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and that's pretty much what happens when I get to about shaft parallel
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is I'm going to more or less focus on just
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directing that energy. I can't really add anything more
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with that trailhand. So that's why we would expect to see a very
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similar pattern to this. We would expect to see
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the club accelerating all the way until impact and then
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rapidly decelerating. In fact the torque will be zero
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or really close to zero at impact to allow me to
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safely decelerate it in the backswing or in the
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follow through. So now what is the controversy
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with alpha right? Well there's a number of researchers looking at it
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Dr. Kwan, Dr. Mackenzie, Dr. Neil. They're all kind of seeing a similar pattern
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to
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what I've just demonstrated here but then there's
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one commercial group, Jacob's 3D, and that one is being
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operated by golf pros and they're showing some things that we would
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not typically expect to see with this alpha torque.
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So that's where the question came up. Specifically
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there are two times where they're showing something differently
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and basically what this is leading guys like me to think is
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either they've changed the definition of alpha so they're measuring
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something different than alpha but calling it alpha
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and alpha already has this kind of established definition of
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in-plane movement. So that's just a little confusing
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or they're calling it in-plane movement and they're just measuring it
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differently and they have to explain why
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well it would help if they would explain why they chose these differences
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since the pure mechanics don't match up with what they're saying.
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For example there are two major times that I've seen graphs or
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quivers or whatever that cause a little bit of confusion.
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One would be at the top where they say that it should be applying a
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negative, I should be applying a negative torque
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at the top of the swing and into the downswing and as I showed
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if I was truly applying a negative torque then it wouldn't be the end of the
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backswing because the club would continue moving
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in that direction. The other point in time is down near
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impact so basically what they are saying and what they've shown is that
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you can apply positive alpha torque so in the direction of target
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after impact which basically doesn't make sense it's kind of like that
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downhill bike analogy where I get this thing to a point where I can no
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longer add speed and now you're telling me I can add even more and
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more speed. It doesn't quite match up with what
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should be happening with the mechanics and it would potentially put me in a
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position to injure myself in the follow through.
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So that ultimately brings me to my conclusion for this video which is
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basically helping you see the thought process that you should have as a
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critical thinker and a golfer. I don't think you should just rely
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exclusively on one person's opinion. Your goal should be to
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understand what's actually going on and how it applies to either you as
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the student or your students if you're a coach.
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So in this particular example golf science can give us a lot of great
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information on how I'm pulling on the club.
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Just like 3D you know kinematic data can show us
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positions or velocities and things that are very very useful.
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Force plates can show me how my feet are working with the ground.
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Ball flight monitors can show me how the club and the ball are
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interacting. All that is useful data but they are all
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perspectives on the global hole which is a movement.
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So understanding how the body moves and how it creates the
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the golf swing will ultimately help you understand
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which of these you know new graphs or new pieces of information are going to be
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really helpful and which pieces may be really neat to know but
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not so practical on the range. I'm not saying this is either of those.
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I just want you to think about it from those perspectives.
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Insight - Investigating Alpha Torque in the Golf Swing
In this video, Tyler breaks down the controversy surrounding Alpha Torque in the golf swing. In this video, he will discuss:
- What does it mean?
- Why is it a big deal?
- What would you expect to see?
- What are the controversies surrounding this measurement?
In this video, Tyler breaks down the controversy surrounding Alpha Torque in the golf swing. In this video, he will discuss:
- What does it mean?
- Why is it a big deal?
- What would you expect to see?
- What are the controversies surrounding this measurement?
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Video Transcript
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In this golf smart insight,
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we're going to investigate alpha torque.
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So I had a question post to me actually a couple of months ago,
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but I've gotten around to kind of
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organizing my thoughts and wanted to share it now.
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But I got a question a couple of months ago about alpha torque, right?
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Like there's these alpha graphs that are popping up on forums and blogs,
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and they can be a little confusing.
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So I thought I would do a video to help explain A what is alpha,
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why is it significant? B what would you expect to see?
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Just kind of thinking through it logically and then see what are some of the
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controversies?
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Like why has this become kind of a big deal and debate between a couple of
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different camps?
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So first, let's define what is alpha.
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So alpha classically has been defined as in-plane torque or in-plane force.
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So if I take my hula hoop here,
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we'll pretend that this is the functional swing plane.
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Anything that moves the club in the plane of motion is going to be alpha.
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Now it can be an alpha force where I'm kind of moving the whole shaft as a unit
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,
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or it could be a torque where I'm creating some rotation.
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But anything where I'm moving in the plane of motion is going to be alpha.
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We can compare that to what they call beta,
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which would be kind of slicing through the swing plane,
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anything like this, or gamma, which would be rotating within the swing plane.
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So alpha is the in-plane movement.
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Now why is alpha special or why is it significant and why should we study it?
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Well, one researcher has shown that the magnitude of alpha force during the
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downswing
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has a 0.94 correlation with clubhead speed.
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And clubhead speed has a huge correlation with ball speed.
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So basically if you want to hit it further, you have to apply more alpha torque
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Now that by itself doesn't really give you a whole lot to go on,
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but it does tell us that this is probably an interesting parameter
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that we should continue to study.
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So then we know alpha is in-plane movement or at least that's how it's been
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classically defined. What should we expect to see?
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Well, when we have all these changes and we have these three different planes
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of
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movement and rotation, things can get a little complicated.
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So let's use a linear example to try to explain and understand
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what we might expect to see looking at an alpha torque graph.
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So instead of having torques, we're just going to have forces
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because we're going to do a linear model here.
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So what I'm going to do is I'm going to pull this back and then I'm
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basically going to pretend I was like throwing a javelin, right?
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So it's going to go back and then go like this.
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And I'm going to try to do it with a little bit of speed.
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Okay, we can see the similarities between a golf swing,
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where I would pull it back and then try to create a bunch of speed and then
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have to slow it down. So we can see how the model
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will work for this linear and then we can extrapolate what we can for the
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rotations. All right, so right now this thing is
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just hanging out in space and it's not going to move unless I apply a force to
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it. So I'm going to apply a negative force,
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which would be in this backswing direction.
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Now if I just kept, if I only applied this negative force,
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this thing would move infinitely in that direction
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and it would basically run through walls and whatever.
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I need to apply a positive torque or sorry a positive force
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in that direction in order to stop it from moving that way.
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So I apply a force this way somewhere around here. I shift and now
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I'm applying that a force in that direction to help slow it down.
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I'm going to continue applying a force in that direction until I reach
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maximum and then now I'm going to be applying a force
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away in order to decelerate it. So it would be
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negative, positive, positive, positive, negative.
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Something like that is what we would expect to see
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when we're looking at this alpha torque because
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basically what we would see with the golf swing is we should see
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a negative movement to help start the club moving.
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Then somewhere up around here I'm going to have to start applying a
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positive torque to prevent the club from
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continuing its backswing direction. If I continued to apply a negative
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torque then the club would continue moving in that backswing direction and
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basically speed up as it approached the ground.
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So I'm going to apply a positive to slow it down and then I'm going to keep
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applying positive until I get to around this waist height position.
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We'll talk about that in a second but I'm going to keep applying positive
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until I get to somewhere around here. The club head speed and the positive
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movement of the club is going to continue all the way to impact and then
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it's going to basically go to zero at impact and then it's
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I'm now going to apply that negative torque to
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slow the club down safely as I make it my way into the finish.
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That's what we would expect to see. Now why would we expect to see it go from
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positive to negative somewhere around shaft parallel?
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Well what'll happen is I get this club moving
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fast and somewhat aggressively and it gets to a point where I can no longer
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add speed to the system and me trying to add speed
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potentially could slow it down. Potentially could mess up my geometry,
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affect my low point, affect my consistency but the big
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thing is it could potentially cause me to
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put myself in a position where I might injure myself and for no added speed
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benefit. The example that is frequently used is if I'm
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riding a bike downhill right so I'm riding a bike downhill
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and I get to a point where the pedals are moving so fast that I can't pump
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any faster is just already going. In fact if my feet were actually clipped
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into the bike you you can imagine getting to a point where my body is
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actually going to slow down what the bike would be capable of doing on its own
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and that's pretty much what happens when I get to about shaft parallel
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is I'm going to more or less focus on just
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directing that energy. I can't really add anything more
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with that trailhand. So that's why we would expect to see a very
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similar pattern to this. We would expect to see
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the club accelerating all the way until impact and then
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rapidly decelerating. In fact the torque will be zero
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or really close to zero at impact to allow me to
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safely decelerate it in the backswing or in the
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follow through. So now what is the controversy
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with alpha right? Well there's a number of researchers looking at it
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Dr. Kwan, Dr. Mackenzie, Dr. Neil. They're all kind of seeing a similar pattern
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to
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what I've just demonstrated here but then there's
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one commercial group, Jacob's 3D, and that one is being
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operated by golf pros and they're showing some things that we would
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not typically expect to see with this alpha torque.
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So that's where the question came up. Specifically
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there are two times where they're showing something differently
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and basically what this is leading guys like me to think is
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either they've changed the definition of alpha so they're measuring
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something different than alpha but calling it alpha
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and alpha already has this kind of established definition of
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in-plane movement. So that's just a little confusing
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or they're calling it in-plane movement and they're just measuring it
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differently and they have to explain why
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well it would help if they would explain why they chose these differences
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since the pure mechanics don't match up with what they're saying.
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For example there are two major times that I've seen graphs or
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quivers or whatever that cause a little bit of confusion.
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One would be at the top where they say that it should be applying a
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negative, I should be applying a negative torque
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at the top of the swing and into the downswing and as I showed
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if I was truly applying a negative torque then it wouldn't be the end of the
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backswing because the club would continue moving
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in that direction. The other point in time is down near
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impact so basically what they are saying and what they've shown is that
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you can apply positive alpha torque so in the direction of target
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after impact which basically doesn't make sense it's kind of like that
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downhill bike analogy where I get this thing to a point where I can no
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longer add speed and now you're telling me I can add even more and
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more speed. It doesn't quite match up with what
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should be happening with the mechanics and it would potentially put me in a
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position to injure myself in the follow through.
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So that ultimately brings me to my conclusion for this video which is
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basically helping you see the thought process that you should have as a
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critical thinker and a golfer. I don't think you should just rely
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exclusively on one person's opinion. Your goal should be to
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understand what's actually going on and how it applies to either you as
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the student or your students if you're a coach.
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So in this particular example golf science can give us a lot of great
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information on how I'm pulling on the club.
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Just like 3D you know kinematic data can show us
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positions or velocities and things that are very very useful.
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00:09:40.800 --> 00:09:43.920
Force plates can show me how my feet are working with the ground.
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Ball flight monitors can show me how the club and the ball are
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interacting. All that is useful data but they are all
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perspectives on the global hole which is a movement.
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So understanding how the body moves and how it creates the
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the golf swing will ultimately help you understand
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which of these you know new graphs or new pieces of information are going to be
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really helpful and which pieces may be really neat to know but
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not so practical on the range. I'm not saying this is either of those.
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I just want you to think about it from those perspectives.
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So if you have a question about something that gets brought up in
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directly because they've been great at answering my questions
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In this golf smart insight,
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we're going to investigate alpha torque.
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So I had a question post to me actually a couple of months ago,
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but I've gotten around to kind of
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organizing my thoughts and wanted to share it now.
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But I got a question a couple of months ago about alpha torque, right?
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Like there's these alpha graphs that are popping up on forums and blogs,
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and they can be a little confusing.
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So I thought I would do a video to help explain A what is alpha,
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why is it significant? B what would you expect to see?
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Just kind of thinking through it logically and then see what are some of the
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controversies?
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Like why has this become kind of a big deal and debate between a couple of
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different camps?
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So first, let's define what is alpha.
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So alpha classically has been defined as in-plane torque or in-plane force.
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So if I take my hula hoop here,
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we'll pretend that this is the functional swing plane.
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Anything that moves the club in the plane of motion is going to be alpha.
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Now it can be an alpha force where I'm kind of moving the whole shaft as a unit
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,
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or it could be a torque where I'm creating some rotation.
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But anything where I'm moving in the plane of motion is going to be alpha.
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We can compare that to what they call beta,
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which would be kind of slicing through the swing plane,
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anything like this, or gamma, which would be rotating within the swing plane.
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So alpha is the in-plane movement.
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Now why is alpha special or why is it significant and why should we study it?
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Well, one researcher has shown that the magnitude of alpha force during the
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downswing
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has a 0.94 correlation with clubhead speed.
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And clubhead speed has a huge correlation with ball speed.
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So basically if you want to hit it further, you have to apply more alpha torque
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.
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Now that by itself doesn't really give you a whole lot to go on,
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but it does tell us that this is probably an interesting parameter
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that we should continue to study.
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So then we know alpha is in-plane movement or at least that's how it's been
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classically defined. What should we expect to see?
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Well, when we have all these changes and we have these three different planes
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of
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movement and rotation, things can get a little complicated.
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So let's use a linear example to try to explain and understand
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what we might expect to see looking at an alpha torque graph.
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So instead of having torques, we're just going to have forces
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because we're going to do a linear model here.
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So what I'm going to do is I'm going to pull this back and then I'm
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basically going to pretend I was like throwing a javelin, right?
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So it's going to go back and then go like this.
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And I'm going to try to do it with a little bit of speed.
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Okay, we can see the similarities between a golf swing,
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where I would pull it back and then try to create a bunch of speed and then
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have to slow it down. So we can see how the model
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will work for this linear and then we can extrapolate what we can for the
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rotations. All right, so right now this thing is
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just hanging out in space and it's not going to move unless I apply a force to
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it. So I'm going to apply a negative force,
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which would be in this backswing direction.
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Now if I just kept, if I only applied this negative force,
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this thing would move infinitely in that direction
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and it would basically run through walls and whatever.
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I need to apply a positive torque or sorry a positive force
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in that direction in order to stop it from moving that way.
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So I apply a force this way somewhere around here. I shift and now
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I'm applying that a force in that direction to help slow it down.
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I'm going to continue applying a force in that direction until I reach
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maximum and then now I'm going to be applying a force
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away in order to decelerate it. So it would be
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negative, positive, positive, positive, negative.
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Something like that is what we would expect to see
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when we're looking at this alpha torque because
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basically what we would see with the golf swing is we should see
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a negative movement to help start the club moving.
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Then somewhere up around here I'm going to have to start applying a
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positive torque to prevent the club from
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continuing its backswing direction. If I continued to apply a negative
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torque then the club would continue moving in that backswing direction and
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basically speed up as it approached the ground.
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So I'm going to apply a positive to slow it down and then I'm going to keep
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applying positive until I get to around this waist height position.
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We'll talk about that in a second but I'm going to keep applying positive
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until I get to somewhere around here. The club head speed and the positive
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movement of the club is going to continue all the way to impact and then
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it's going to basically go to zero at impact and then it's
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I'm now going to apply that negative torque to
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slow the club down safely as I make it my way into the finish.
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That's what we would expect to see. Now why would we expect to see it go from
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positive to negative somewhere around shaft parallel?
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Well what'll happen is I get this club moving
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fast and somewhat aggressively and it gets to a point where I can no longer
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add speed to the system and me trying to add speed
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potentially could slow it down. Potentially could mess up my geometry,
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affect my low point, affect my consistency but the big
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thing is it could potentially cause me to
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put myself in a position where I might injure myself and for no added speed
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benefit. The example that is frequently used is if I'm
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riding a bike downhill right so I'm riding a bike downhill
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and I get to a point where the pedals are moving so fast that I can't pump
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any faster is just already going. In fact if my feet were actually clipped
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into the bike you you can imagine getting to a point where my body is
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actually going to slow down what the bike would be capable of doing on its own
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and that's pretty much what happens when I get to about shaft parallel
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is I'm going to more or less focus on just
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directing that energy. I can't really add anything more
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with that trailhand. So that's why we would expect to see a very
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similar pattern to this. We would expect to see
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the club accelerating all the way until impact and then
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rapidly decelerating. In fact the torque will be zero
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or really close to zero at impact to allow me to
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safely decelerate it in the backswing or in the
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follow through. So now what is the controversy
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with alpha right? Well there's a number of researchers looking at it
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Dr. Kwan, Dr. Mackenzie, Dr. Neil. They're all kind of seeing a similar pattern
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to
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what I've just demonstrated here but then there's
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one commercial group, Jacob's 3D, and that one is being
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operated by golf pros and they're showing some things that we would
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not typically expect to see with this alpha torque.
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So that's where the question came up. Specifically
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there are two times where they're showing something differently
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and basically what this is leading guys like me to think is
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either they've changed the definition of alpha so they're measuring
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something different than alpha but calling it alpha
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and alpha already has this kind of established definition of
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in-plane movement. So that's just a little confusing
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or they're calling it in-plane movement and they're just measuring it
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differently and they have to explain why
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well it would help if they would explain why they chose these differences
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since the pure mechanics don't match up with what they're saying.
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For example there are two major times that I've seen graphs or
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quivers or whatever that cause a little bit of confusion.
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One would be at the top where they say that it should be applying a
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negative, I should be applying a negative torque
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at the top of the swing and into the downswing and as I showed
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if I was truly applying a negative torque then it wouldn't be the end of the
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backswing because the club would continue moving
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in that direction. The other point in time is down near
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impact so basically what they are saying and what they've shown is that
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you can apply positive alpha torque so in the direction of target
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after impact which basically doesn't make sense it's kind of like that
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downhill bike analogy where I get this thing to a point where I can no
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longer add speed and now you're telling me I can add even more and
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more speed. It doesn't quite match up with what
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should be happening with the mechanics and it would potentially put me in a
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position to injure myself in the follow through.
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So that ultimately brings me to my conclusion for this video which is
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basically helping you see the thought process that you should have as a
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critical thinker and a golfer. I don't think you should just rely
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exclusively on one person's opinion. Your goal should be to
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understand what's actually going on and how it applies to either you as
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the student or your students if you're a coach.
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So in this particular example golf science can give us a lot of great
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information on how I'm pulling on the club.
154
00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:36.720
Just like 3D you know kinematic data can show us
155
00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:40.800
positions or velocities and things that are very very useful.
156
00:09:40.800 --> 00:09:43.920
Force plates can show me how my feet are working with the ground.
157
00:09:43.920 --> 00:09:46.960
Ball flight monitors can show me how the club and the ball are
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00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:51.280
interacting. All that is useful data but they are all
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00:09:51.280 --> 00:09:54.800
perspectives on the global hole which is a movement.
160
00:09:54.800 --> 00:09:59.120
So understanding how the body moves and how it creates the
161
00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:03.120
the golf swing will ultimately help you understand
162
00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:07.360
which of these you know new graphs or new pieces of information are going to be
163
00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:12.000
really helpful and which pieces may be really neat to know but
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00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:15.760
not so practical on the range. I'm not saying this is either of those.
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00:10:15.760 --> 00:10:18.960
I just want you to think about it from those perspectives.
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00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:22.160
So if you have a question about something that gets brought up in
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any of the blogs or forums or the golf science world and you'd like to have
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it clarified either reach out to the researchers
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directly because they've been great at answering my questions
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or message me and I'll reach out to them and hopefully put together a video to
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help clarify what it is that's causing you problems.
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If you want to understand our philosophies on the golf swing and the
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