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Understand Impact Positions: Pros vs Amateurs
After this video, you'll be able to:
- Identify how body posture changes from setup to impact.
- Compare the arm positions of pros and amateurs during impact.
- Recognize the common mistakes amateurs make in their impact position.
In this analysis, you'll learn the key differences in impact positions between professional golfers and amateurs. Understanding these distinctions will help you improve your swing mechanics and overall performance on the course.
Video Transcript
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In this analysis video, we're going to look at impact.
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Now, in the concept videos, I talk about how impact is really just a flash in
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the middle
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of a movement.
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Now, the movement will be the release, which is roughly from waist height to
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waist height,
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like so.
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Now, we will get into the specifics of the release in the release section.
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But here for impact, we're going to take a look at the static differences
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between impact
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positions, setup positions for both professional golfers, as well as amateurs.
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In this analysis of impact positions, we are going to break the swing into two
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major pieces.
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First, we're going to look at the body and how it has changed, or how it's
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different
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from it was at setup.
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And then secondly, we're going to look at the arms, everything from the
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shoulder to the
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hands, and how those are different.
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So, let's proceed with the body.
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It's important to realize that the body is really going to look very different
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than it
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did at setup.
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Now, a lot of amateurs and a lot of beginners start with the concept of I'm
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trying to get
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back to where I was at setup, but as you'll see through this video, that's not
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the case
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with most high-level golfers.
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Now, the body has changed in a number of ways.
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Compared to setup posture, the spine is going to be much more flexed, like so.
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It is going to have more of a right side tilt, like so.
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We're going to talk about something that we call early extension.
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We're looking at the space of the pelvis compared to the golf ball.
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And then we're going to look at the amount of body rotation as it compares to
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setup.
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So let's begin with the spine flexion, or how the spine has changed.
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In elite level golfers, the spine is going to be a lot more flexed or rounded
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if you compare
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setup position to impact.
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So here on the left, I have Dustin Johnson, and at setup, you can see the solid
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line goes
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from roughly his hip to roughly his ear.
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If I then take him through his swing until he gets to impact, which we'll be
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right about.
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So you will see that there is now a pronounced curve to his spine.
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This is a side flex to the right, but it's also a flex forward, as we can
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measure on 3D.
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This flexing forward and flexing to the right helps transfer energy through the
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abdominals.
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So when you use your legs, you have to transfer the energy through your body
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somehow.
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If you're going to use your abs, it will cause you to do almost like a crunch,
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which
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will get you into more of this rounded posture.
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That keeps your upper body closer to the ground, which allows you to build
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shaft lean with
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your arms, which we'll get into in later sections.
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Here's another example of an elite level golfer at setup.
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This is Roy McElroy.
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You can see that straight line from ear to hip.
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And then as he approaches impact, you will see that his spine now has that
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gentle curve
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and slightly flex to the right.
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This is a great trait, and it's a sign that you're using your body effectively
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for transferring
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energy from your legs to your shoulders.
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Now let's take a quick look at a couple amateurs to see the difference between
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what pros are
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doing.
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So on the right, I still have Roy McElroy.
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The straight teal line is representing his spine at the start of the swing, and
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then the
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curved red line is representing the curve in his spine down in this impact
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interval.
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Now here we have an amateur, unfortunately the camera moves a bit, so this will
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be harder
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to see.
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But the blue line, or the teal line is what it was at setup, and then as we get
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to impact,
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you'll see that the curve is roughly the same, especially through the majority
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of the lower
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back and mid back.
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He's using more of his hamstrings and his back to transfer the energy, which
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isn't going
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to curb his spine the way that using your abdominals would.
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So this spine curve is very important for making sure that you're using the
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proper muscles
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to transfer energy effectively, keep your alignments as well as avoid back pain
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.
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Let's look at another one.
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And here's an example of another golfer who starts off in a relatively similar
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angle
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to say Rory McElroy, although we already used him for an example of S posture
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because he
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has a little more curve to it, but let's see what happens as he goes into his
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downswing
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and approaches impact.
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You'll see that as he approaches impacts, yes, he'll have a little bit of curve
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in his
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upper spine, but you can see for all intents and purposes, his spine is pretty
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straight
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because he's used primarily his lower back as well as his hamstrings to
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transfer energy
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from the legs to the shoulders, as opposed to Rory who was using more of his
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abs.
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The using the abs creates the space for the elbows to work in front of your
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body, where
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this gentleman is forced to have his elbows hit his rib gauge, which causes
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some of his
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early release issues.
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So just pay attention to how much spine flex you have at setup, and then follow
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the drills
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that help you learn how to get the proper spine both side tilt as well as flex
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ion as
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we go into impact.
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Now the next piece to the body puzzle we're going to look at is something
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referred to
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as early extension, which is basically looking at the location of the head and
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the tailbone
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throughout the golf swing.
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Now both of these swings are not on tripods, so there's a little bit of
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movement, but you
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can see basically from the top of the swing down towards impact, roughly his
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tailbone
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or his left hip or some part of his pelvis is up against this line right here,
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over here
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on the right with Adam Scott, and you can see that his head has barely moved
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off this line
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if at all.
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So he's kept basically the same spatial orientation between his head and the
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pelvis and the golf
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ball.
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The only thing that's happened is he's curved his spine, so his head is dropped
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down some.
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Now here's my student, and again the camera is not on a tripod, but you'll
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clearly be
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able to see that as he approaches impact, his lower body has moved towards the
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golf ball
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and his upper body has moved away.
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This is an indication that he's doing more of a spine extension, and that takes
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away
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all the room for his arms to do the proper movement.
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So this gentleman struggles a little bit with his release.
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Now I want to use this example of Paul Casey to show that while we want your
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pelvis to
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stay roughly in the same orientation, it's not absolutely critical.
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There are golfers who from their setup position will move slightly in, such as
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someone like
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Paul Casey, but you can see in his case his head doesn't move.
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You will rarely see both of them happen the way that we're seeing over here on
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the left
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with this amateur, but the one on the left is very common for amateurs where we
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see a
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standing up during the downswing.
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You'll understand much more about that as we get into transition.
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One of the big things to pay attention to though is because the golfer on the
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left has
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stood up in order to shallow at the club and create his speed on the downswing,
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you will
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see that there's very little rotation, as in you can't see any part of his left
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shoulder
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and very little of his left hip and left back.
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The golfers who use more of this flexion and right side bend, you'll be able to
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see his
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entire left side of his back, his left hip, his left leg, because he has
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rotated and cleared
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his body to help create the leg, which is a big power source.
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Now in finishing with the body as it relates to impact, we're going to talk
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about weight
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left or having your left hip on top of your left foot.
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So here on the right, we have Zach Johnson, and this will relate a lot to that
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right side
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bend.
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What you'll see is as we approach impact, you'll see that depending on camera
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angle,
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a significant portion of their body will get over their left foot.
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In his case, you've got his belt buckle, which is roughly where his hip is,
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right on top
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of that left foot.
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Now the thing to notice with this is in order to have the lower body move that
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forward
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and the upper body not move forward with it, the head is going to have to drop
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down.
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I don't know if you saw that, but we'll focus on his cap.
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From the top of the swing, you'll see his head drop down pretty significantly
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compared
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to the top of the swing.
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Now Tiger Woods is frequently chastised for his head dropping, but you will
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rarely see
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a good ball striker, especially with a driver who does not have his head drop.
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Now I'll show a couple examples here on the left of golfers who don't really
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drop their
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heads and don't get quite as much of their weight onto the left side.
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So here you can see this golfer had the same head height at the top of the
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swing as he
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does at impact.
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That's limiting the amount of side bend he would have, but works well with the
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release
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that he's trying to accomplish.
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And here's another example of an amateur golfer who does not have a lot of
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lateral shift or
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right side bend.
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So as we go to the top of the swing, you can see there's a little bit of space
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between
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his head and that line, and you'll see that it's a small little drop, but it
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basically
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stays about the same the entire downswing until he makes contact.
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You can also see that compared to someone like Zach Johnson, or we'll bring up
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another
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pro example here in a second, but you can see that there's still space between
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his left
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tip and his shoulders or shoulder right side bend is nowhere near in the same
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category
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as Zach Johnson over here on the right.
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So those two kind of go hand in hand with the release or with what your arms
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are doing,
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which is what we'll get into in the second half of this video.
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And on the right, we've got Rory McElroy, now this camera angle is not
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perfectly square
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to him, so it's not going to look like he shifts quite as much, but it would be
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very
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difficult to have that much head drop from the top of the swing and not have
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his lower
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body get on top of that leg.
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So you can see that those two go hand in hand having significant amount of
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right side bend
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helps get the arm in front of the body, helps get the lower body on top of the
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left leg.
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So these things kind of all play together, which is why I'm going over them in
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each piece,
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but we train them in chunks and you'll see in the drills that we combine these
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movements
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into trainable chunks so that you can learn how to do it without having to
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think about
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all these pieces, but that's a pretty I'd say that's a pretty fair assessment
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of what
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the body should be doing at impact and how it compares the setup.
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Now let's go over the arms.
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When it comes to the arms and hands, we've one simple objective.
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We want the arms and hands to be in a strong position so that they transfer
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energy to
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the golf ball.
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Now there's a few key points that we look for when we're looking at the arms
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and hands
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as they relate to impact.
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Here I've got Rory McElroy on both sides, one with an iron, one with a driver.
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At setup, you can see that both arms are fairly straight, but as we approach
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impact, you will
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see that that right elbow is in closer to his side and is in a bent position.
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It'll be easier to see when we look at it from down the line.
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In addition, you will see that as I get him to impact, you will see that there
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is an angle
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in his right wrist and his left wrist is relatively flat.
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Here you can see him in a similar wrist position on the right with a driver,
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even though the
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shaft is in a totally different position.
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What it shows is that the arms and the hands work very similarly regardless of
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what club
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you're using, at least in the full swing.
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And what tends to change is more what the body is doing.
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From the down the line, we get a pretty clear idea of what the trail elbow is
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doing.
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As you can see here with Keegan Bradley, as he approaches impact, you can see
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that that
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elbow is still more or less close to his body, and you can see that there is a
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significant
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amount of arm bend.
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I've done a video specifically on arm bend in this illusion.
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Part of the reason why it looks like there is a lot of arm bend, which there is
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a good
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amount, but part of the reason why it looks so drastic, like almost 90 degrees,
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is because
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the elbow is more in front of his body at this point, as opposed to being
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behind it.
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I'll demonstrate that with a few pros and amateurs from the face on view.
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On the right we have Dustin Johnson, and on the left we have a high handicap
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golfer.
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Now as you see Dustin Johnson approach impact, you will see that there is a
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significant amount
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of space between his elbow and his ribs or his pelvis, right here.
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If I go back up towards the top of the swing and come back down, you can see
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that there
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is almost never any daylight between his elbow and his body.
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His elbow at this point is already starting to work in front of his body.
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That helps maintain the lag in the wrist and delay the release of the club.
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Over here on the left we have an amateur going through the similar phase, and
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you can see
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that there's daylight between his elbow and his shirt, sort of right in this
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area, because
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his right arm is straightening away from his body instead of working past his
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belly button.
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It gives a very different look to impact.
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working straight
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out in front of it, this will limit how much side bend, how much weight shift,
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and how much
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rotation he will be able to have at impact.
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So we know that the elbow is working across your body in order to get the hands
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more or
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less out in front of the chest.
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But let's take a look or a close look at the hands specifically.
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So what I want you to notice is if I draw a circle around his hands, you can
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see that
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the right wrist still has a bit of a cup in it as he makes contact with the
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golf ball,
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and the left wrist is fairly flat.
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Now if we compare that with where he was at setup, you will see that at setup
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his left
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wrist had a pretty significant cup while his right wrist was pretty close to
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flat.
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So essentially they have changed orientation during the golf swing as they
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apply the force
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onto the shaft.
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If you look on the left, I have an amateur who, if you look at his wrist at
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impact, the
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right wrist has a little bit, or is relatively straight while the left wrist
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has a little
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bit of a cup in it.
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If I take him back to setup, you can see that setup wise, the wrist orientation
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is fairly
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similar between these two golfers, but because of what they're trying to do on
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the downswing,
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they end up in very different wrist alignments at impact.
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I teach primarily trying to get your full swing into the wrist alignment of
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having or
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maintaining a bit of extension or cup in the trail wrist, and maintaining some
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flexion
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or flatness in the lead wrist, and we have drills in the section of the release
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explaining
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exactly how you can learn how to do that.
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As you continue to study the golf swing and learn how to play it, you want to
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try to emulate
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some of the common patterns that we see with the best golfers in the world.
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The issues that I highlight or the concepts that I highlight in this video are
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some of
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the things that I help produce the most solid and repeatable impact positions.
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But remember, ultimately, this is what we are trying to do.
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Because the club comes down into impact, at least with an iron, you are going
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to see
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that the weight left, the side bend right, and the hand position that I talk
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about will
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help get the golf club to hit the back of the golf ball before the ground.
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You will see this example, he is making contact with the golf ball, it's
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already leaving the
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club, and now is when the club enters the ground.
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As long as you can do that and have the bottom of your swing far enough forward
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in front
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of the golf ball, you have what it takes to have a consistent, powerful, and
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repeatable
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golf swing.
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In this analysis video, we're going to look at impact.
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Now, in the concept videos, I talk about how impact is really just a flash in
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the middle
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of a movement.
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Now, the movement will be the release, which is roughly from waist height to
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waist height,
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like so.
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Now, we will get into the specifics of the release in the release section.
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But here for impact, we're going to take a look at the static differences
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between impact
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positions, setup positions for both professional golfers, as well as amateurs.
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In this analysis of impact positions, we are going to break the swing into two
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major pieces.
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First, we're going to look at the body and how it has changed, or how it's
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different
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from it was at setup.
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And then secondly, we're going to look at the arms, everything from the
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shoulder to the
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hands, and how those are different.
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So, let's proceed with the body.
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It's important to realize that the body is really going to look very different
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than it
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did at setup.
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Now, a lot of amateurs and a lot of beginners start with the concept of I'm
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trying to get
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back to where I was at setup, but as you'll see through this video, that's not
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the case
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with most high-level golfers.
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Now, the body has changed in a number of ways.
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Compared to setup posture, the spine is going to be much more flexed, like so.
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It is going to have more of a right side tilt, like so.
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We're going to talk about something that we call early extension.
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We're looking at the space of the pelvis compared to the golf ball.
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And then we're going to look at the amount of body rotation as it compares to
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setup.
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So let's begin with the spine flexion, or how the spine has changed.
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In elite level golfers, the spine is going to be a lot more flexed or rounded
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if you compare
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setup position to impact.
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So here on the left, I have Dustin Johnson, and at setup, you can see the solid
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line goes
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from roughly his hip to roughly his ear.
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If I then take him through his swing until he gets to impact, which we'll be
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right about.
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So you will see that there is now a pronounced curve to his spine.
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This is a side flex to the right, but it's also a flex forward, as we can
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measure on 3D.
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This flexing forward and flexing to the right helps transfer energy through the
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abdominals.
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So when you use your legs, you have to transfer the energy through your body
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somehow.
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If you're going to use your abs, it will cause you to do almost like a crunch,
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which
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will get you into more of this rounded posture.
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That keeps your upper body closer to the ground, which allows you to build
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shaft lean with
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your arms, which we'll get into in later sections.
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Here's another example of an elite level golfer at setup.
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This is Roy McElroy.
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You can see that straight line from ear to hip.
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And then as he approaches impact, you will see that his spine now has that
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gentle curve
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and slightly flex to the right.
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This is a great trait, and it's a sign that you're using your body effectively
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for transferring
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energy from your legs to your shoulders.
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Now let's take a quick look at a couple amateurs to see the difference between
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what pros are
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doing.
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So on the right, I still have Roy McElroy.
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The straight teal line is representing his spine at the start of the swing, and
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then the
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curved red line is representing the curve in his spine down in this impact
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interval.
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Now here we have an amateur, unfortunately the camera moves a bit, so this will
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be harder
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to see.
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But the blue line, or the teal line is what it was at setup, and then as we get
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to impact,
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you'll see that the curve is roughly the same, especially through the majority
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of the lower
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back and mid back.
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He's using more of his hamstrings and his back to transfer the energy, which
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isn't going
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to curb his spine the way that using your abdominals would.
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So this spine curve is very important for making sure that you're using the
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proper muscles
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to transfer energy effectively, keep your alignments as well as avoid back pain
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Let's look at another one.
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And here's an example of another golfer who starts off in a relatively similar
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angle
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to say Rory McElroy, although we already used him for an example of S posture
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because he
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has a little more curve to it, but let's see what happens as he goes into his
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downswing
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and approaches impact.
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You'll see that as he approaches impacts, yes, he'll have a little bit of curve
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in his
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upper spine, but you can see for all intents and purposes, his spine is pretty
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straight
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because he's used primarily his lower back as well as his hamstrings to
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transfer energy
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from the legs to the shoulders, as opposed to Rory who was using more of his
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abs.
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The using the abs creates the space for the elbows to work in front of your
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body, where
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this gentleman is forced to have his elbows hit his rib gauge, which causes
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some of his
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early release issues.
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So just pay attention to how much spine flex you have at setup, and then follow
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the drills
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that help you learn how to get the proper spine both side tilt as well as flex
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ion as
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we go into impact.
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Now the next piece to the body puzzle we're going to look at is something
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referred to
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as early extension, which is basically looking at the location of the head and
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the tailbone
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throughout the golf swing.
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Now both of these swings are not on tripods, so there's a little bit of
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movement, but you
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can see basically from the top of the swing down towards impact, roughly his
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tailbone
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or his left hip or some part of his pelvis is up against this line right here,
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over here
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on the right with Adam Scott, and you can see that his head has barely moved
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off this line
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if at all.
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So he's kept basically the same spatial orientation between his head and the
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pelvis and the golf
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ball.
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The only thing that's happened is he's curved his spine, so his head is dropped
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down some.
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clearly be
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able to see that as he approaches impact, his lower body has moved towards the
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golf ball
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and his upper body has moved away.
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This is an indication that he's doing more of a spine extension, and that takes
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away
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all the room for his arms to do the proper movement.
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So this gentleman struggles a little bit with his release.
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Now I want to use this example of Paul Casey to show that while we want your
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pelvis to
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stay roughly in the same orientation, it's not absolutely critical.
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There are golfers who from their setup position will move slightly in, such as
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someone like
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Paul Casey, but you can see in his case his head doesn't move.
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You will rarely see both of them happen the way that we're seeing over here on
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the left
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with this amateur, but the one on the left is very common for amateurs where we
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see a
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standing up during the downswing.
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You'll understand much more about that as we get into transition.
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One of the big things to pay attention to though is because the golfer on the
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left has
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stood up in order to shallow at the club and create his speed on the downswing,
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you will
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see that there's very little rotation, as in you can't see any part of his left
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shoulder
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and very little of his left hip and left back.
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The golfers who use more of this flexion and right side bend, you'll be able to
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see his
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entire left side of his back, his left hip, his left leg, because he has
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rotated and cleared
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his body to help create the leg, which is a big power source.
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Now in finishing with the body as it relates to impact, we're going to talk
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about weight
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left or having your left hip on top of your left foot.
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So here on the right, we have Zach Johnson, and this will relate a lot to that
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right side
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bend.
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What you'll see is as we approach impact, you'll see that depending on camera
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angle,
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a significant portion of their body will get over their left foot.
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In his case, you've got his belt buckle, which is roughly where his hip is,
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right on top
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of that left foot.
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Now the thing to notice with this is in order to have the lower body move that
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forward
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and the upper body not move forward with it, the head is going to have to drop
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down.
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I don't know if you saw that, but we'll focus on his cap.
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From the top of the swing, you'll see his head drop down pretty significantly
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compared
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to the top of the swing.
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Now Tiger Woods is frequently chastised for his head dropping, but you will
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rarely see
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a good ball striker, especially with a driver who does not have his head drop.
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Now I'll show a couple examples here on the left of golfers who don't really
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drop their
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heads and don't get quite as much of their weight onto the left side.
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So here you can see this golfer had the same head height at the top of the
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swing as he
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does at impact.
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That's limiting the amount of side bend he would have, but works well with the
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release
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that he's trying to accomplish.
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And here's another example of an amateur golfer who does not have a lot of
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lateral shift or
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right side bend.
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So as we go to the top of the swing, you can see there's a little bit of space
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between
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his head and that line, and you'll see that it's a small little drop, but it
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basically
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stays about the same the entire downswing until he makes contact.
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You can also see that compared to someone like Zach Johnson, or we'll bring up
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another
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pro example here in a second, but you can see that there's still space between
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his left
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tip and his shoulders or shoulder right side bend is nowhere near in the same
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category
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as Zach Johnson over here on the right.
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So those two kind of go hand in hand with the release or with what your arms
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are doing,
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which is what we'll get into in the second half of this video.
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And on the right, we've got Rory McElroy, now this camera angle is not
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perfectly square
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to him, so it's not going to look like he shifts quite as much, but it would be
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very
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difficult to have that much head drop from the top of the swing and not have
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his lower
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body get on top of that leg.
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So you can see that those two go hand in hand having significant amount of
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right side bend
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helps get the arm in front of the body, helps get the lower body on top of the
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left leg.
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So these things kind of all play together, which is why I'm going over them in
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each piece,
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but we train them in chunks and you'll see in the drills that we combine these
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movements
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into trainable chunks so that you can learn how to do it without having to
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think about
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all these pieces, but that's a pretty I'd say that's a pretty fair assessment
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of what
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the body should be doing at impact and how it compares the setup.
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Now let's go over the arms.
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When it comes to the arms and hands, we've one simple objective.
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We want the arms and hands to be in a strong position so that they transfer
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energy to
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the golf ball.
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Now there's a few key points that we look for when we're looking at the arms
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and hands
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as they relate to impact.
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Here I've got Rory McElroy on both sides, one with an iron, one with a driver.
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At setup, you can see that both arms are fairly straight, but as we approach
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impact, you will
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see that that right elbow is in closer to his side and is in a bent position.
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It'll be easier to see when we look at it from down the line.
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In addition, you will see that as I get him to impact, you will see that there
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is an angle
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in his right wrist and his left wrist is relatively flat.
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Here you can see him in a similar wrist position on the right with a driver,
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even though the
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shaft is in a totally different position.
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What it shows is that the arms and the hands work very similarly regardless of
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what club
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you're using, at least in the full swing.
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And what tends to change is more what the body is doing.
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From the down the line, we get a pretty clear idea of what the trail elbow is
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doing.
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As you can see here with Keegan Bradley, as he approaches impact, you can see
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that that
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elbow is still more or less close to his body, and you can see that there is a
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significant
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amount of arm bend.
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I've done a video specifically on arm bend in this illusion.
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Part of the reason why it looks like there is a lot of arm bend, which there is
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a good
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amount, but part of the reason why it looks so drastic, like almost 90 degrees,
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is because
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the elbow is more in front of his body at this point, as opposed to being
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behind it.
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I'll demonstrate that with a few pros and amateurs from the face on view.
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On the right we have Dustin Johnson, and on the left we have a high handicap
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golfer.
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Now as you see Dustin Johnson approach impact, you will see that there is a
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significant amount
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of space between his elbow and his ribs or his pelvis, right here.
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If I go back up towards the top of the swing and come back down, you can see
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that there
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is almost never any daylight between his elbow and his body.
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His elbow at this point is already starting to work in front of his body.
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That helps maintain the lag in the wrist and delay the release of the club.
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Over here on the left we have an amateur going through the similar phase, and
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you can see
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that there's daylight between his elbow and his shirt, sort of right in this
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area, because
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his right arm is straightening away from his body instead of working past his
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belly button.
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It gives a very different look to impact.
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In addition, because his arms are not working across his body instead of
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working straight
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out in front of it, this will limit how much side bend, how much weight shift,
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and how much
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rotation he will be able to have at impact.
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So we know that the elbow is working across your body in order to get the hands
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more or
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less out in front of the chest.
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But let's take a look or a close look at the hands specifically.
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So what I want you to notice is if I draw a circle around his hands, you can
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see that
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the right wrist still has a bit of a cup in it as he makes contact with the
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golf ball,
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and the left wrist is fairly flat.
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Now if we compare that with where he was at setup, you will see that at setup
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his left
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wrist had a pretty significant cup while his right wrist was pretty close to
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flat.
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So essentially they have changed orientation during the golf swing as they
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apply the force
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onto the shaft.
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If you look on the left, I have an amateur who, if you look at his wrist at
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impact, the
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right wrist has a little bit, or is relatively straight while the left wrist
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has a little
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bit of a cup in it.
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If I take him back to setup, you can see that setup wise, the wrist orientation
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is fairly
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similar between these two golfers, but because of what they're trying to do on
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the downswing,
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they end up in very different wrist alignments at impact.
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I teach primarily trying to get your full swing into the wrist alignment of
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having or
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maintaining a bit of extension or cup in the trail wrist, and maintaining some
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flexion
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or flatness in the lead wrist, and we have drills in the section of the release
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explaining
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exactly how you can learn how to do that.
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As you continue to study the golf swing and learn how to play it, you want to
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try to emulate
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some of the common patterns that we see with the best golfers in the world.
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The issues that I highlight or the concepts that I highlight in this video are
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some of
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the things that I help produce the most solid and repeatable impact positions.
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But remember, ultimately, this is what we are trying to do.
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Because the club comes down into impact, at least with an iron, you are going
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to see
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that the weight left, the side bend right, and the hand position that I talk
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about will
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help get the golf club to hit the back of the golf ball before the ground.
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You will see this example, he is making contact with the golf ball, it's
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already leaving the
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club, and now is when the club enters the ground.
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As long as you can do that and have the bottom of your swing far enough forward
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in front
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of the golf ball, you have what it takes to have a consistent, powerful, and
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repeatable
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golf swing.
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Understand Impact Positions: Pros vs Amateurs
After this video, you'll be able to:
- Identify how body posture changes from setup to impact.
- Compare the arm positions of pros and amateurs during impact.
- Recognize the common mistakes amateurs make in their impact position.
In this analysis, you'll learn the key differences in impact positions between professional golfers and amateurs. Understanding these distinctions will help you improve your swing mechanics and overall performance on the course.
Video Transcript
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In this analysis video, we're going to look at impact.
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Now, in the concept videos, I talk about how impact is really just a flash in
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the middle
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of a movement.
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Now, the movement will be the release, which is roughly from waist height to
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waist height,
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like so.
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Now, we will get into the specifics of the release in the release section.
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But here for impact, we're going to take a look at the static differences
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between impact
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positions, setup positions for both professional golfers, as well as amateurs.
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In this analysis of impact positions, we are going to break the swing into two
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major pieces.
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First, we're going to look at the body and how it has changed, or how it's
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different
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from it was at setup.
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And then secondly, we're going to look at the arms, everything from the
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shoulder to the
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hands, and how those are different.
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So, let's proceed with the body.
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It's important to realize that the body is really going to look very different
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than it
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did at setup.
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Now, a lot of amateurs and a lot of beginners start with the concept of I'm
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trying to get
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back to where I was at setup, but as you'll see through this video, that's not
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the case
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with most high-level golfers.
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Now, the body has changed in a number of ways.
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Compared to setup posture, the spine is going to be much more flexed, like so.
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It is going to have more of a right side tilt, like so.
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We're going to talk about something that we call early extension.
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We're looking at the space of the pelvis compared to the golf ball.
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And then we're going to look at the amount of body rotation as it compares to
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setup.
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So let's begin with the spine flexion, or how the spine has changed.
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In elite level golfers, the spine is going to be a lot more flexed or rounded
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if you compare
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setup position to impact.
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So here on the left, I have Dustin Johnson, and at setup, you can see the solid
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line goes
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from roughly his hip to roughly his ear.
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If I then take him through his swing until he gets to impact, which we'll be
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right about.
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So you will see that there is now a pronounced curve to his spine.
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This is a side flex to the right, but it's also a flex forward, as we can
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measure on 3D.
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This flexing forward and flexing to the right helps transfer energy through the
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abdominals.
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So when you use your legs, you have to transfer the energy through your body
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somehow.
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If you're going to use your abs, it will cause you to do almost like a crunch,
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which
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will get you into more of this rounded posture.
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That keeps your upper body closer to the ground, which allows you to build
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shaft lean with
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your arms, which we'll get into in later sections.
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Here's another example of an elite level golfer at setup.
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This is Roy McElroy.
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You can see that straight line from ear to hip.
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And then as he approaches impact, you will see that his spine now has that
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gentle curve
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and slightly flex to the right.
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This is a great trait, and it's a sign that you're using your body effectively
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for transferring
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energy from your legs to your shoulders.
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Now let's take a quick look at a couple amateurs to see the difference between
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what pros are
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doing.
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So on the right, I still have Roy McElroy.
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The straight teal line is representing his spine at the start of the swing, and
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then the
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curved red line is representing the curve in his spine down in this impact
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interval.
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Now here we have an amateur, unfortunately the camera moves a bit, so this will
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be harder
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to see.
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But the blue line, or the teal line is what it was at setup, and then as we get
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to impact,
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you'll see that the curve is roughly the same, especially through the majority
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of the lower
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back and mid back.
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He's using more of his hamstrings and his back to transfer the energy, which
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isn't going
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to curb his spine the way that using your abdominals would.
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So this spine curve is very important for making sure that you're using the
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proper muscles
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to transfer energy effectively, keep your alignments as well as avoid back pain
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Let's look at another one.
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And here's an example of another golfer who starts off in a relatively similar
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angle
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to say Rory McElroy, although we already used him for an example of S posture
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because he
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has a little more curve to it, but let's see what happens as he goes into his
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downswing
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and approaches impact.
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You'll see that as he approaches impacts, yes, he'll have a little bit of curve
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in his
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upper spine, but you can see for all intents and purposes, his spine is pretty
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straight
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because he's used primarily his lower back as well as his hamstrings to
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transfer energy
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from the legs to the shoulders, as opposed to Rory who was using more of his
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abs.
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The using the abs creates the space for the elbows to work in front of your
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body, where
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this gentleman is forced to have his elbows hit his rib gauge, which causes
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some of his
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early release issues.
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So just pay attention to how much spine flex you have at setup, and then follow
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the drills
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that help you learn how to get the proper spine both side tilt as well as flex
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ion as
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we go into impact.
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Now the next piece to the body puzzle we're going to look at is something
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referred to
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as early extension, which is basically looking at the location of the head and
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the tailbone
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throughout the golf swing.
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Now both of these swings are not on tripods, so there's a little bit of
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movement, but you
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can see basically from the top of the swing down towards impact, roughly his
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tailbone
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or his left hip or some part of his pelvis is up against this line right here,
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over here
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on the right with Adam Scott, and you can see that his head has barely moved
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off this line
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if at all.
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So he's kept basically the same spatial orientation between his head and the
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pelvis and the golf
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ball.
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The only thing that's happened is he's curved his spine, so his head is dropped
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down some.
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clearly be
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able to see that as he approaches impact, his lower body has moved towards the
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golf ball
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and his upper body has moved away.
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This is an indication that he's doing more of a spine extension, and that takes
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away
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all the room for his arms to do the proper movement.
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So this gentleman struggles a little bit with his release.
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pelvis to
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stay roughly in the same orientation, it's not absolutely critical.
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There are golfers who from their setup position will move slightly in, such as
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someone like
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Paul Casey, but you can see in his case his head doesn't move.
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You will rarely see both of them happen the way that we're seeing over here on
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the left
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with this amateur, but the one on the left is very common for amateurs where we
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see a
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standing up during the downswing.
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You'll understand much more about that as we get into transition.
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One of the big things to pay attention to though is because the golfer on the
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left has
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stood up in order to shallow at the club and create his speed on the downswing,
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you will
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see that there's very little rotation, as in you can't see any part of his left
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shoulder
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and very little of his left hip and left back.
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The golfers who use more of this flexion and right side bend, you'll be able to
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see his
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entire left side of his back, his left hip, his left leg, because he has
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rotated and cleared
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his body to help create the leg, which is a big power source.
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Now in finishing with the body as it relates to impact, we're going to talk
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about weight
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left or having your left hip on top of your left foot.
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So here on the right, we have Zach Johnson, and this will relate a lot to that
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right side
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bend.
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What you'll see is as we approach impact, you'll see that depending on camera
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angle,
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a significant portion of their body will get over their left foot.
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In his case, you've got his belt buckle, which is roughly where his hip is,
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right on top
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of that left foot.
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Now the thing to notice with this is in order to have the lower body move that
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forward
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and the upper body not move forward with it, the head is going to have to drop
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down.
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I don't know if you saw that, but we'll focus on his cap.
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From the top of the swing, you'll see his head drop down pretty significantly
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compared
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to the top of the swing.
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Now Tiger Woods is frequently chastised for his head dropping, but you will
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rarely see
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a good ball striker, especially with a driver who does not have his head drop.
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Now I'll show a couple examples here on the left of golfers who don't really
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drop their
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heads and don't get quite as much of their weight onto the left side.
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So here you can see this golfer had the same head height at the top of the
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swing as he
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does at impact.
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That's limiting the amount of side bend he would have, but works well with the
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release
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that he's trying to accomplish.
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And here's another example of an amateur golfer who does not have a lot of
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lateral shift or
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right side bend.
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So as we go to the top of the swing, you can see there's a little bit of space
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between
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his head and that line, and you'll see that it's a small little drop, but it
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basically
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stays about the same the entire downswing until he makes contact.
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You can also see that compared to someone like Zach Johnson, or we'll bring up
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another
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pro example here in a second, but you can see that there's still space between
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his left
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tip and his shoulders or shoulder right side bend is nowhere near in the same
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category
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as Zach Johnson over here on the right.
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So those two kind of go hand in hand with the release or with what your arms
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are doing,
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which is what we'll get into in the second half of this video.
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And on the right, we've got Rory McElroy, now this camera angle is not
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perfectly square
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to him, so it's not going to look like he shifts quite as much, but it would be
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very
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difficult to have that much head drop from the top of the swing and not have
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his lower
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body get on top of that leg.
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So you can see that those two go hand in hand having significant amount of
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right side bend
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helps get the arm in front of the body, helps get the lower body on top of the
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left leg.
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So these things kind of all play together, which is why I'm going over them in
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each piece,
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but we train them in chunks and you'll see in the drills that we combine these
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movements
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into trainable chunks so that you can learn how to do it without having to
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think about
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all these pieces, but that's a pretty I'd say that's a pretty fair assessment
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of what
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the body should be doing at impact and how it compares the setup.
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Now let's go over the arms.
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When it comes to the arms and hands, we've one simple objective.
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We want the arms and hands to be in a strong position so that they transfer
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energy to
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the golf ball.
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Now there's a few key points that we look for when we're looking at the arms
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and hands
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as they relate to impact.
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Here I've got Rory McElroy on both sides, one with an iron, one with a driver.
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At setup, you can see that both arms are fairly straight, but as we approach
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impact, you will
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see that that right elbow is in closer to his side and is in a bent position.
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It'll be easier to see when we look at it from down the line.
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In addition, you will see that as I get him to impact, you will see that there
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is an angle
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in his right wrist and his left wrist is relatively flat.
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Here you can see him in a similar wrist position on the right with a driver,
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even though the
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shaft is in a totally different position.
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What it shows is that the arms and the hands work very similarly regardless of
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what club
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you're using, at least in the full swing.
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And what tends to change is more what the body is doing.
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From the down the line, we get a pretty clear idea of what the trail elbow is
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doing.
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As you can see here with Keegan Bradley, as he approaches impact, you can see
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that that
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elbow is still more or less close to his body, and you can see that there is a
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significant
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amount of arm bend.
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I've done a video specifically on arm bend in this illusion.
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Part of the reason why it looks like there is a lot of arm bend, which there is
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a good
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amount, but part of the reason why it looks so drastic, like almost 90 degrees,
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is because
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the elbow is more in front of his body at this point, as opposed to being
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behind it.
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I'll demonstrate that with a few pros and amateurs from the face on view.
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On the right we have Dustin Johnson, and on the left we have a high handicap
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golfer.
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Now as you see Dustin Johnson approach impact, you will see that there is a
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significant amount
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of space between his elbow and his ribs or his pelvis, right here.
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If I go back up towards the top of the swing and come back down, you can see
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that there
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is almost never any daylight between his elbow and his body.
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His elbow at this point is already starting to work in front of his body.
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That helps maintain the lag in the wrist and delay the release of the club.
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Over here on the left we have an amateur going through the similar phase, and
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you can see
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that there's daylight between his elbow and his shirt, sort of right in this
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area, because
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his right arm is straightening away from his body instead of working past his
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belly button.
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It gives a very different look to impact.
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In addition, because his arms are not working across his body instead of
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working straight
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out in front of it, this will limit how much side bend, how much weight shift,
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and how much
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rotation he will be able to have at impact.
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So we know that the elbow is working across your body in order to get the hands
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more or
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less out in front of the chest.
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But let's take a look or a close look at the hands specifically.
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So what I want you to notice is if I draw a circle around his hands, you can
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see that
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the right wrist still has a bit of a cup in it as he makes contact with the
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golf ball,
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and the left wrist is fairly flat.
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Now if we compare that with where he was at setup, you will see that at setup
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his left
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wrist had a pretty significant cup while his right wrist was pretty close to
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flat.
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So essentially they have changed orientation during the golf swing as they
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apply the force
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onto the shaft.
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impact, the
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right wrist has a little bit, or is relatively straight while the left wrist
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has a little
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bit of a cup in it.
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If I take him back to setup, you can see that setup wise, the wrist orientation
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is fairly
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similar between these two golfers, but because of what they're trying to do on
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the downswing,
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they end up in very different wrist alignments at impact.
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I teach primarily trying to get your full swing into the wrist alignment of
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having or
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maintaining a bit of extension or cup in the trail wrist, and maintaining some
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flexion
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or flatness in the lead wrist, and we have drills in the section of the release
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explaining
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exactly how you can learn how to do that.
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As you continue to study the golf swing and learn how to play it, you want to
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try to emulate
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some of the common patterns that we see with the best golfers in the world.
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The issues that I highlight or the concepts that I highlight in this video are
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some of
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the things that I help produce the most solid and repeatable impact positions.
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But remember, ultimately, this is what we are trying to do.
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Because the club comes down into impact, at least with an iron, you are going
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to see
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that the weight left, the side bend right, and the hand position that I talk
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about will
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help get the golf club to hit the back of the golf ball before the ground.
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You will see this example, he is making contact with the golf ball, it's
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already leaving the
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club, and now is when the club enters the ground.
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As long as you can do that and have the bottom of your swing far enough forward
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in front
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of the golf ball, you have what it takes to have a consistent, powerful, and
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repeatable
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golf swing.
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In this analysis video, we're going to look at impact.
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Now, in the concept videos, I talk about how impact is really just a flash in
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the middle
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of a movement.
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Now, the movement will be the release, which is roughly from waist height to
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waist height,
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like so.
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Now, we will get into the specifics of the release in the release section.
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But here for impact, we're going to take a look at the static differences
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between impact
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positions, setup positions for both professional golfers, as well as amateurs.
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In this analysis of impact positions, we are going to break the swing into two
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major pieces.
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First, we're going to look at the body and how it has changed, or how it's
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different
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from it was at setup.
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And then secondly, we're going to look at the arms, everything from the
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shoulder to the
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hands, and how those are different.
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So, let's proceed with the body.
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It's important to realize that the body is really going to look very different
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than it
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did at setup.
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Now, a lot of amateurs and a lot of beginners start with the concept of I'm
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trying to get
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back to where I was at setup, but as you'll see through this video, that's not
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the case
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with most high-level golfers.
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Now, the body has changed in a number of ways.
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Compared to setup posture, the spine is going to be much more flexed, like so.
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It is going to have more of a right side tilt, like so.
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We're going to talk about something that we call early extension.
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We're looking at the space of the pelvis compared to the golf ball.
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And then we're going to look at the amount of body rotation as it compares to
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setup.
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So let's begin with the spine flexion, or how the spine has changed.
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In elite level golfers, the spine is going to be a lot more flexed or rounded
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if you compare
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setup position to impact.
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So here on the left, I have Dustin Johnson, and at setup, you can see the solid
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line goes
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from roughly his hip to roughly his ear.
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If I then take him through his swing until he gets to impact, which we'll be
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right about.
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So you will see that there is now a pronounced curve to his spine.
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This is a side flex to the right, but it's also a flex forward, as we can
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measure on 3D.
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This flexing forward and flexing to the right helps transfer energy through the
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abdominals.
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So when you use your legs, you have to transfer the energy through your body
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somehow.
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If you're going to use your abs, it will cause you to do almost like a crunch,
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which
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will get you into more of this rounded posture.
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That keeps your upper body closer to the ground, which allows you to build
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shaft lean with
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your arms, which we'll get into in later sections.
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Here's another example of an elite level golfer at setup.
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This is Roy McElroy.
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You can see that straight line from ear to hip.
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And then as he approaches impact, you will see that his spine now has that
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gentle curve
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and slightly flex to the right.
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This is a great trait, and it's a sign that you're using your body effectively
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for transferring
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energy from your legs to your shoulders.
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Now let's take a quick look at a couple amateurs to see the difference between
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what pros are
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doing.
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So on the right, I still have Roy McElroy.
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The straight teal line is representing his spine at the start of the swing, and
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then the
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curved red line is representing the curve in his spine down in this impact
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interval.
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Now here we have an amateur, unfortunately the camera moves a bit, so this will
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be harder
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to see.
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But the blue line, or the teal line is what it was at setup, and then as we get
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to impact,
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you'll see that the curve is roughly the same, especially through the majority
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of the lower
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back and mid back.
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He's using more of his hamstrings and his back to transfer the energy, which
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isn't going
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to curb his spine the way that using your abdominals would.
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So this spine curve is very important for making sure that you're using the
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proper muscles
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to transfer energy effectively, keep your alignments as well as avoid back pain
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Let's look at another one.
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And here's an example of another golfer who starts off in a relatively similar
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angle
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to say Rory McElroy, although we already used him for an example of S posture
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because he
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has a little more curve to it, but let's see what happens as he goes into his
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downswing
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and approaches impact.
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You'll see that as he approaches impacts, yes, he'll have a little bit of curve
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in his
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upper spine, but you can see for all intents and purposes, his spine is pretty
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straight
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because he's used primarily his lower back as well as his hamstrings to
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transfer energy
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from the legs to the shoulders, as opposed to Rory who was using more of his
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abs.
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The using the abs creates the space for the elbows to work in front of your
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body, where
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this gentleman is forced to have his elbows hit his rib gauge, which causes
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some of his
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early release issues.
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So just pay attention to how much spine flex you have at setup, and then follow
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the drills
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that help you learn how to get the proper spine both side tilt as well as flex
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ion as
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we go into impact.
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Now the next piece to the body puzzle we're going to look at is something
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referred to
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as early extension, which is basically looking at the location of the head and
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the tailbone
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throughout the golf swing.
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Now both of these swings are not on tripods, so there's a little bit of
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movement, but you
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can see basically from the top of the swing down towards impact, roughly his
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tailbone
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or his left hip or some part of his pelvis is up against this line right here,
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over here
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on the right with Adam Scott, and you can see that his head has barely moved
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off this line
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if at all.
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So he's kept basically the same spatial orientation between his head and the
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pelvis and the golf
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ball.
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The only thing that's happened is he's curved his spine, so his head is dropped
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down some.
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clearly be
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able to see that as he approaches impact, his lower body has moved towards the
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golf ball
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and his upper body has moved away.
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This is an indication that he's doing more of a spine extension, and that takes
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away
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all the room for his arms to do the proper movement.
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So this gentleman struggles a little bit with his release.
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Now I want to use this example of Paul Casey to show that while we want your
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pelvis to
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stay roughly in the same orientation, it's not absolutely critical.
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There are golfers who from their setup position will move slightly in, such as
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someone like
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Paul Casey, but you can see in his case his head doesn't move.
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You will rarely see both of them happen the way that we're seeing over here on
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the left
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with this amateur, but the one on the left is very common for amateurs where we
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see a
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standing up during the downswing.
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You'll understand much more about that as we get into transition.
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One of the big things to pay attention to though is because the golfer on the
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left has
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stood up in order to shallow at the club and create his speed on the downswing,
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you will
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see that there's very little rotation, as in you can't see any part of his left
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shoulder
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and very little of his left hip and left back.
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The golfers who use more of this flexion and right side bend, you'll be able to
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see his
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entire left side of his back, his left hip, his left leg, because he has
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rotated and cleared
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his body to help create the leg, which is a big power source.
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Now in finishing with the body as it relates to impact, we're going to talk
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about weight
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left or having your left hip on top of your left foot.
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So here on the right, we have Zach Johnson, and this will relate a lot to that
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right side
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bend.
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What you'll see is as we approach impact, you'll see that depending on camera
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angle,
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a significant portion of their body will get over their left foot.
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In his case, you've got his belt buckle, which is roughly where his hip is,
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right on top
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of that left foot.
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Now the thing to notice with this is in order to have the lower body move that
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forward
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and the upper body not move forward with it, the head is going to have to drop
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down.
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I don't know if you saw that, but we'll focus on his cap.
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From the top of the swing, you'll see his head drop down pretty significantly
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compared
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to the top of the swing.
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Now Tiger Woods is frequently chastised for his head dropping, but you will
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rarely see
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a good ball striker, especially with a driver who does not have his head drop.
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Now I'll show a couple examples here on the left of golfers who don't really
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drop their
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heads and don't get quite as much of their weight onto the left side.
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So here you can see this golfer had the same head height at the top of the
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swing as he
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does at impact.
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That's limiting the amount of side bend he would have, but works well with the
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release
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that he's trying to accomplish.
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And here's another example of an amateur golfer who does not have a lot of
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lateral shift or
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right side bend.
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So as we go to the top of the swing, you can see there's a little bit of space
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between
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his head and that line, and you'll see that it's a small little drop, but it
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basically
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stays about the same the entire downswing until he makes contact.
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You can also see that compared to someone like Zach Johnson, or we'll bring up
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another
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pro example here in a second, but you can see that there's still space between
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his left
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tip and his shoulders or shoulder right side bend is nowhere near in the same
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category
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as Zach Johnson over here on the right.
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So those two kind of go hand in hand with the release or with what your arms
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are doing,
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which is what we'll get into in the second half of this video.
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And on the right, we've got Rory McElroy, now this camera angle is not
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perfectly square
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to him, so it's not going to look like he shifts quite as much, but it would be
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very
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difficult to have that much head drop from the top of the swing and not have
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his lower
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body get on top of that leg.
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So you can see that those two go hand in hand having significant amount of
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right side bend
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helps get the arm in front of the body, helps get the lower body on top of the
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left leg.
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So these things kind of all play together, which is why I'm going over them in
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each piece,
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but we train them in chunks and you'll see in the drills that we combine these
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movements
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into trainable chunks so that you can learn how to do it without having to
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think about
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all these pieces, but that's a pretty I'd say that's a pretty fair assessment
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of what
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the body should be doing at impact and how it compares the setup.
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Now let's go over the arms.
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When it comes to the arms and hands, we've one simple objective.
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We want the arms and hands to be in a strong position so that they transfer
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energy to
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the golf ball.
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Now there's a few key points that we look for when we're looking at the arms
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and hands
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as they relate to impact.
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Here I've got Rory McElroy on both sides, one with an iron, one with a driver.
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At setup, you can see that both arms are fairly straight, but as we approach
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impact, you will
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see that that right elbow is in closer to his side and is in a bent position.
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It'll be easier to see when we look at it from down the line.
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In addition, you will see that as I get him to impact, you will see that there
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is an angle
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in his right wrist and his left wrist is relatively flat.
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Here you can see him in a similar wrist position on the right with a driver,
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even though the
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shaft is in a totally different position.
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What it shows is that the arms and the hands work very similarly regardless of
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what club
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you're using, at least in the full swing.
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And what tends to change is more what the body is doing.
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From the down the line, we get a pretty clear idea of what the trail elbow is
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doing.
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As you can see here with Keegan Bradley, as he approaches impact, you can see
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that that
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elbow is still more or less close to his body, and you can see that there is a
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significant
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amount of arm bend.
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I've done a video specifically on arm bend in this illusion.
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Part of the reason why it looks like there is a lot of arm bend, which there is
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a good
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amount, but part of the reason why it looks so drastic, like almost 90 degrees,
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is because
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the elbow is more in front of his body at this point, as opposed to being
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behind it.
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I'll demonstrate that with a few pros and amateurs from the face on view.
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On the right we have Dustin Johnson, and on the left we have a high handicap
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golfer.
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Now as you see Dustin Johnson approach impact, you will see that there is a
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significant amount
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of space between his elbow and his ribs or his pelvis, right here.
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If I go back up towards the top of the swing and come back down, you can see
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that there
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is almost never any daylight between his elbow and his body.
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His elbow at this point is already starting to work in front of his body.
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That helps maintain the lag in the wrist and delay the release of the club.
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Over here on the left we have an amateur going through the similar phase, and
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you can see
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that there's daylight between his elbow and his shirt, sort of right in this
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area, because
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his right arm is straightening away from his body instead of working past his
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belly button.
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It gives a very different look to impact.
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In addition, because his arms are not working across his body instead of
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working straight
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out in front of it, this will limit how much side bend, how much weight shift,
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and how much
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rotation he will be able to have at impact.
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So we know that the elbow is working across your body in order to get the hands
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more or
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less out in front of the chest.
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But let's take a look or a close look at the hands specifically.
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So what I want you to notice is if I draw a circle around his hands, you can
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see that
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the right wrist still has a bit of a cup in it as he makes contact with the
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golf ball,
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and the left wrist is fairly flat.
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Now if we compare that with where he was at setup, you will see that at setup
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his left
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wrist had a pretty significant cup while his right wrist was pretty close to
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flat.
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So essentially they have changed orientation during the golf swing as they
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apply the force
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onto the shaft.
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If you look on the left, I have an amateur who, if you look at his wrist at
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impact, the
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right wrist has a little bit, or is relatively straight while the left wrist
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has a little
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bit of a cup in it.
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If I take him back to setup, you can see that setup wise, the wrist orientation
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is fairly
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similar between these two golfers, but because of what they're trying to do on
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the downswing,
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they end up in very different wrist alignments at impact.
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I teach primarily trying to get your full swing into the wrist alignment of
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having or
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maintaining a bit of extension or cup in the trail wrist, and maintaining some
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flexion
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or flatness in the lead wrist, and we have drills in the section of the release
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explaining
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exactly how you can learn how to do that.
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As you continue to study the golf swing and learn how to play it, you want to
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try to emulate
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some of the common patterns that we see with the best golfers in the world.
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The issues that I highlight or the concepts that I highlight in this video are
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some of
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the things that I help produce the most solid and repeatable impact positions.
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But remember, ultimately, this is what we are trying to do.
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Because the club comes down into impact, at least with an iron, you are going
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to see
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that the weight left, the side bend right, and the hand position that I talk
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about will
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help get the golf club to hit the back of the golf ball before the ground.
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You will see this example, he is making contact with the golf ball, it's
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already leaving the
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club, and now is when the club enters the ground.
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As long as you can do that and have the bottom of your swing far enough forward
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in front
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of the golf ball, you have what it takes to have a consistent, powerful, and
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repeatable
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golf swing.
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