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Face And Path Examples - Overhead Path Visual

The movement of you club path, and the orientation to that face are the two big components to understanding your ball flight. In this video, I use an overhead camera to show you what different orientations look like. Many amateurs swing with a clubface that is open to the path too long, and as a result they have a hard time creating consistent contact.

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The movement of you club path, and the orientation to that face are the two big components to understanding your ball flight. In this video, I use an overhead camera to show you what different orientations look like. Many amateurs swing with a clubface that is open to the path too long, and as a result they have a hard time creating consistent contact.

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Video Transcript
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In this analysis video we're gonna take a look at the face-to-path

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relationships

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using the overhead view. So in this swing I'm taking a little bit a little bit

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longer than 9 to 3 but I wanted to have a really clear club face so we're

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hitting just kind of a 9 to 3 style shot. Now here you can see that at about

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waist height the the hands are in front of that right shoulder or even with

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that

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right thigh so that's probably closer to where the club would be parallel to

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the

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target line. You can see that the club face is close to vertical or slightly

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passed. Now as it comes down you'll see that it's rotating towards the target

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at a relatively consistent rate. You will understand that a little bit better

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as

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we look at some other examples and then unfortunately the club kind of

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disappears out of view but what you can see at this position is that that right

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hand is more or less on top of that left hand. So looking at that from the down

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the line view we can see that that club face is rotating so that it's more or

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less pointing at the golf ball a few frames before impact. That was the

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important thing that I wanted you to see from that kind of overhead view and

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then here you'll see the club working more towards toe-up or possibly even a

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little patch depending on your grip strength and how much form rotation you're

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gonna have. As we look from this face-on let's move that just a little bit. So

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if

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we look from that face-on you can see that there's a full release where that

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right hand is kind of passed over on top of that left hand from that face from

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that overhead view that's where we were seeing that right hand more on top.

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Keep

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that in mind as we look at some amateur golfers and some of varying levels so

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some very low handicap very good ball strikers and then some higher handicap

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so that you can kind of visualize how this face and path relationship works. So

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in this particular golfer so in this particular golfer you can see that that

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club is pointed well out to the right of the golf ball and you can see that it

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more or less stays there and then this golfer is going to use the path by

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pulling up on the handle in order to get that face pointed more at the target

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but you see that he did so basically using that open face and pulling the

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path left as opposed to the gradual and continuous closing that we're trying to

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get during that release and so when he gets to that finish position you can see

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that the right hand is well underneath the left hand not on top because it

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wasn't rotating closed during that face. Now with this path if he had rotated

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it

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closed the ball would have gone way left so it's not a simple one-to-one fix if

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we just fix the face usually the face and the path both have to be adjusted and

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then here's another gentleman who has the the club face in a fairly good

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position here where the club face is just past vertical but you'll see that

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through

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that phase to basically here the club instead of rotating this way is more or

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less just sliding across like so. Can you see how that face is still pointed

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way

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out to the right and then he's going to use that early release or kind of a

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scoop pattern to get that face that's well open here pointing in the general

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direction of the target but unfortunately that scoop method tends to cause that

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lead arm to break down and you'll see that his trail hand is very much

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underneath the grip instead of on top of the grip so he hasn't had a ton of

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that forearm rotation during his release either. Now we've got an example of a

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golfer who has actually had been working on the motorcycle and arm

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shallowing so you'll see the club faces in a fairly closed position and works

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its way into a good closed position already pointing at the target through

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here so he's able to get pretty good arm extension on the way through there's a

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tiny little breakdown of the wrist but for the most part he has pretty good

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arm extension part of that is because you can see that his hands are well ahead

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of the golf ball or from his perspective they look well ahead of the golf ball

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from the face on camera they would look like they're just slightly ahead where

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the last few examples the hands would be closer to in line with the golf ball

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so

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by getting the club face closed early he's able to continue rotating which

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allows his hands to get ahead of the golf ball and allows his arms to extend

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through the ball leading to consistent ball striking. Now here we have Jack

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Nicholas hitting a five iron obviously the camera frame rate is not going to be

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as good that we'll be able to see clearly where that club faces but you can get

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a

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good sense of the path as it relates to the to the club face so when he gets to

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the the shaft parallel to the ground which would be roughly when the hands are

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even with that right shoulder you can see that the club head is still coming

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from the inside of that target line and then as he goes through you'll see the

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that lead arm is going to rotate or that trail arm is going to rotate as they

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're

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both extending so here you can see he's got a fair amount of arm bend still got

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that arm bend and then those arms are extending so I like to kind of reference

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it a spot somewhere down on the target line where those arms are more extending

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there as opposed to what we saw with a lot of the amateurs where they were

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extending more at the golf ball. Here's another example this one JB homes and I

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'm

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not sure why they didn't have better frame rate or shutter speed but we can

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see some of the shaft relationships as well so compared to a stance you can see

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that that club is coming more from the inside from and down the line camera

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angle you would see that that would only look like the club was about a club

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head

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width inside of the golf ball but from the overhead you can see that it looks

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like it's way behind especially when you combine the fact that his chest and

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shoulders are already starting to point more out in front of the golf ball that

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allows him to have his hands continue to lead and when he gets to impact you

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can

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see that his body is already turned facing the target so we're closer to the

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target you can kind of see the blur of the club at this point already starting

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to

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point at the golf ball and that combination of having the golf club

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pointed at the golf ball earlier allows him to both come from a shallower angle

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as well as get that good arm extension on the way through. So I'm limited with

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the number of overhead views that I have at least until I get a drone. So

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here's a target line view of Roy McElroy now we can see that great body

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action and arm shallowing piece and then as we get to waist height you can see

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that compared to his left forearm there's a little bit of that flexion in that

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lead wrist so he's done a good job with the motorcycle because we know that up

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here at the top of the swing that lead wrist is actually in extension or pretty

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close to flat so it's done it a good amount and you can start to see the club

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face there is already turning towards the golf ball so you can see it kind of

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having a consistent rotation towards the golf ball during this face here. Now

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unfortunately we can't see the last couple of phases before impact or frames

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before impact because of the camera location and grass height but you can

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see that those arms continue to rotate through and the way that you can kind of

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visualize that is if you look at the lead hand or the the glove of his lead

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hand you can see that it continues to rotate towards the target and then

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beyond as those arms extend what a lot of amateur golfers would do is as they

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get to this point the the glove hand would stay pointed at the target and that

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lead wrist would just bend and break down and then eventually that lead arm

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would start to chicken wing because he has a consistent rotation and he had

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that

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arm shallowing piece his face and path are in a very good relationship so he

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gets into this great follow-through position with the arm extension piece

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body in a really good position where he hasn't early extend or stood up arm

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extension right hand on top of left everything is looking great there if

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you're having any issues with your release or figuring out your face and

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path relationships and why you might be having contact issues please check out

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the associated videos here or feel free to send us an email or submit your

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swing and we can help you get on track

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Tyler Ferrell is the only person in the world named to Golf Digest's list of Best Young Teachers in America AND its list of Best Golf Fitness Professionals in America.

Face And Path Examples - Overhead Path Visual

The movement of you club path, and the orientation to that face are the two big components to understanding your ball flight. In this video, I use an overhead camera to show you what different orientations look like. Many amateurs swing with a clubface that is open to the path too long, and as a result they have a hard time creating consistent contact.

Show more

The movement of you club path, and the orientation to that face are the two big components to understanding your ball flight. In this video, I use an overhead camera to show you what different orientations look like. Many amateurs swing with a clubface that is open to the path too long, and as a result they have a hard time creating consistent contact.

Hide
Video Transcript
WEBVTT

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In this analysis video we're gonna take a look at the face-to-path

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00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:04.760
relationships

3
00:00:04.760 --> 00:00:10.920
using the overhead view. So in this swing I'm taking a little bit a little bit

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longer than 9 to 3 but I wanted to have a really clear club face so we're

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hitting just kind of a 9 to 3 style shot. Now here you can see that at about

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waist height the the hands are in front of that right shoulder or even with

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that

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right thigh so that's probably closer to where the club would be parallel to

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the

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target line. You can see that the club face is close to vertical or slightly

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passed. Now as it comes down you'll see that it's rotating towards the target

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at a relatively consistent rate. You will understand that a little bit better

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as

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we look at some other examples and then unfortunately the club kind of

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disappears out of view but what you can see at this position is that that right

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hand is more or less on top of that left hand. So looking at that from the down

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the line view we can see that that club face is rotating so that it's more or

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less pointing at the golf ball a few frames before impact. That was the

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important thing that I wanted you to see from that kind of overhead view and

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then here you'll see the club working more towards toe-up or possibly even a

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little patch depending on your grip strength and how much form rotation you're

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gonna have. As we look from this face-on let's move that just a little bit. So

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if

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we look from that face-on you can see that there's a full release where that

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right hand is kind of passed over on top of that left hand from that face from

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that overhead view that's where we were seeing that right hand more on top.

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Keep

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that in mind as we look at some amateur golfers and some of varying levels so

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some very low handicap very good ball strikers and then some higher handicap

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so that you can kind of visualize how this face and path relationship works. So

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in this particular golfer so in this particular golfer you can see that that

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club is pointed well out to the right of the golf ball and you can see that it

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more or less stays there and then this golfer is going to use the path by

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pulling up on the handle in order to get that face pointed more at the target

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but you see that he did so basically using that open face and pulling the

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path left as opposed to the gradual and continuous closing that we're trying to

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get during that release and so when he gets to that finish position you can see

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that the right hand is well underneath the left hand not on top because it

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wasn't rotating closed during that face. Now with this path if he had rotated

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it

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closed the ball would have gone way left so it's not a simple one-to-one fix if

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we just fix the face usually the face and the path both have to be adjusted and

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then here's another gentleman who has the the club face in a fairly good

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position here where the club face is just past vertical but you'll see that

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through

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that phase to basically here the club instead of rotating this way is more or

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less just sliding across like so. Can you see how that face is still pointed

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way

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out to the right and then he's going to use that early release or kind of a

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scoop pattern to get that face that's well open here pointing in the general

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direction of the target but unfortunately that scoop method tends to cause that

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lead arm to break down and you'll see that his trail hand is very much

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underneath the grip instead of on top of the grip so he hasn't had a ton of

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that forearm rotation during his release either. Now we've got an example of a

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golfer who has actually had been working on the motorcycle and arm

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shallowing so you'll see the club faces in a fairly closed position and works

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its way into a good closed position already pointing at the target through

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here so he's able to get pretty good arm extension on the way through there's a

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tiny little breakdown of the wrist but for the most part he has pretty good

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arm extension part of that is because you can see that his hands are well ahead

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of the golf ball or from his perspective they look well ahead of the golf ball

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from the face on camera they would look like they're just slightly ahead where

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the last few examples the hands would be closer to in line with the golf ball

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so

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by getting the club face closed early he's able to continue rotating which

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allows his hands to get ahead of the golf ball and allows his arms to extend

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through the ball leading to consistent ball striking. Now here we have Jack

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Nicholas hitting a five iron obviously the camera frame rate is not going to be

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as good that we'll be able to see clearly where that club faces but you can get

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a

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good sense of the path as it relates to the to the club face so when he gets to

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the the shaft parallel to the ground which would be roughly when the hands are

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even with that right shoulder you can see that the club head is still coming

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from the inside of that target line and then as he goes through you'll see the

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that lead arm is going to rotate or that trail arm is going to rotate as they

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're

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both extending so here you can see he's got a fair amount of arm bend still got

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that arm bend and then those arms are extending so I like to kind of reference

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it a spot somewhere down on the target line where those arms are more extending

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there as opposed to what we saw with a lot of the amateurs where they were

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extending more at the golf ball. Here's another example this one JB homes and I

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'm

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not sure why they didn't have better frame rate or shutter speed but we can

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see some of the shaft relationships as well so compared to a stance you can see

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that that club is coming more from the inside from and down the line camera

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angle you would see that that would only look like the club was about a club

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head

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width inside of the golf ball but from the overhead you can see that it looks

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like it's way behind especially when you combine the fact that his chest and

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shoulders are already starting to point more out in front of the golf ball that

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allows him to have his hands continue to lead and when he gets to impact you

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can

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see that his body is already turned facing the target so we're closer to the

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target you can kind of see the blur of the club at this point already starting

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to

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point at the golf ball and that combination of having the golf club

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pointed at the golf ball earlier allows him to both come from a shallower angle

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as well as get that good arm extension on the way through. So I'm limited with

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the number of overhead views that I have at least until I get a drone. So

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here's a target line view of Roy McElroy now we can see that great body

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action and arm shallowing piece and then as we get to waist height you can see

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that compared to his left forearm there's a little bit of that flexion in that

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lead wrist so he's done a good job with the motorcycle because we know that up

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here at the top of the swing that lead wrist is actually in extension or pretty

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close to flat so it's done it a good amount and you can start to see the club

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face there is already turning towards the golf ball so you can see it kind of

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having a consistent rotation towards the golf ball during this face here. Now

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unfortunately we can't see the last couple of phases before impact or frames

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before impact because of the camera location and grass height but you can

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see that those arms continue to rotate through and the way that you can kind of

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visualize that is if you look at the lead hand or the the glove of his lead

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hand you can see that it continues to rotate towards the target and then

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beyond as those arms extend what a lot of amateur golfers would do is as they

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get to this point the the glove hand would stay pointed at the target and that

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lead wrist would just bend and break down and then eventually that lead arm

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would start to chicken wing because he has a consistent rotation and he had

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that

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arm shallowing piece his face and path are in a very good relationship so he

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gets into this great follow-through position with the arm extension piece

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body in a really good position where he hasn't early extend or stood up arm

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extension right hand on top of left everything is looking great there if

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you're having any issues with your release or figuring out your face and

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path relationships and why you might be having contact issues please check out

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the associated videos here or feel free to send us an email or submit your

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swing and we can help you get on track

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