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Understand Rate of Closure for More Consistent Shots
After this video, you'll be able to:
- Identify the differences between high and low rates of closure in your swing
- Analyze your swing data to enhance your shot consistency
- Understand how axial rotation affects your club's performance through impact
In this video, you'll learn about the measured rate of closure and its impact on your golf swing consistency. Discover how this concept can help you identify and improve your swing mechanics for better performance on the course.
Video Transcript
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This concept video is discussing measured rate of closure. Now rate of closure
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is
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one of those hot topics in golf instruction because it seems to be
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closely tied to consistency or at least that's the way it's being taught. That
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it is more consistent to have a club that has a lower rate of closure compared
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to one that has a really fast rate of closure. Now what we're going to talk
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about in this video is some of the actual numbers that I've seen either with AM
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M
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or I'm going to reference some data from Johnson Claire who's done both AMM as
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well as gears. I think he's one of the bright minds out in golf and he's
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really he's unbiased in how he analyzes different systems and pins them up
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against each other just looking for accurate and factual data. Okay so rate
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of closure is a little bit more tricky than just looking at the follow-through
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position and saying okay if the club is there it was slower than it was there.
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In fact what I'm going to show you is it's usually the opposite. So when
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looking at the data I look at AMM and I'm going to share my experiences with
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looking at the axial velocity which is looking at one of the two more common
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ways that rate of closure is measured which is basically looking at how fast
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the club is rotating like this. One other way that gears measures it it
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presents both. It'll measure the club as it's rotating compared to the target
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line.
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There are a number of different other ways that you could measure it but
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those seem to be the most common too so either compared to the target or the
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shaft rotation itself. Those two are highly correlated together so with most
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of the data on AMM and most of my experience with rate of closure I'm
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looking at that axial rotation graph. What I've seen is that golfers with a
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lower rate of closure do tend to complain about what they complain less
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about consistency. The guys I've seen who have the higher rate of closure tend
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to
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be the ones who come in saying you know what I just kind of I've that two-way
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miss or I spray it my misses are really big they tend to struggle more with
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face
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control. So in this video we're going to talk about the couple key concepts
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that
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I think will help you understand your rate of closure issue. So now that we
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have a definition let's talk about what I think are the three main
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predictors. So we're going to look at supination amount not necessarily rate
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we're going to look at the club passing your chest and we'll look at the arc
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width. Those are I think three really good indicators for looking at what is
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your rate of closure. So the first one we're going to look at is the club
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passing your chest because that's the one that Johnson-Claire found had the
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highest correlation and totally makes sense to me. Basically if I'm I'll go
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slightly off angle so that you can see right around when it would happen. If
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the
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club is straight out in front of my chest the earlier that happens and the
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club passes my body that's going to have a faster rate of closure than if the
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club is yet to reach its widest point or more behind my body. So from the down
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the
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line view something that looks like that I'll try to get it a little higher so
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that it shows up on camera where the club face is not is pretty square as in
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perpendicular to the ground that will actually have a higher rate of closure
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because my body stopped turning and it passed it compared to that where the
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club face has rotated much more but is well behind my body. Now I've had a
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couple other questions relating to supination and the one I'll tie in from
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my own experience is arc width. I find that arc width has one of the higher
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predictors of the rotation speed or the axial velocity and that would make
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sense
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with what John's seeing because arc width is basically the distance the
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grip is from your chest and it will be widest roughly when it's passing your
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chest. So amateurs tend to have it pass the chest much earlier that gives them
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a
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lower arc width and a higher rate of closure. Poor pros tend to have the body
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lead longer and so it won't catch up or get to its widest point until later. So
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those two the club passing and the club getting wide you delay those as late as
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possible and that's going to bring down your your rate of closure issue or
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rate of closure number. Now the one that's kind of the most tricky conceptually
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is looking at supination. Now to be clear I'm talking about anatomical
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supination so I'm looking at the forearm rotation to the elbow all right not
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necessarily the hand compared to the absolute because I could have a whole
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lot of shoulder rotation. For example here I have a lot of shoulder rotation
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but
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not a whole lot of supination. I've still got a good 30 degrees left in the
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tank where here I have pretty much maxed out my supination but I don't have
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nearly as much shoulder rotation. So what I tend to see is in order to have
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your
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body rotated and side bent and in order to have those arms extend you're going
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to have to have a higher amount of supination compared to those golfers
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who stay facing the golf ball and don't turn their body quite as much. Now the
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key is it'll usually be a more gradual rate so it'll supinate for a not
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necessarily it'll start a little earlier and go maybe a touch later in the
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the follow-through but it will be slower going through that phase. The guys who
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tend to have really fast supination values tend to have the least amount of
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actual supination. So tying that together if you want to lower your rate of
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closure you want to be more open at impact you want to have more supination
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on the way through and you want to have the club stay behind the midpoint of
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your chest as long as possible. If you want to have a faster rate of closure
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you're going to let the club pass your body and bend quickly in the follow-
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through
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and you're going to have less forearm supination. So hopefully that helps you
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understand the pattern that I tend to teach especially as it relates to the
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longer clubs. If you're going to try to have consistency with the driver three
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would typically a swing that is built around a lower rate of closure is helpful
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and those swings tend to have more body rotation, body powering the swing, and
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later arm extension with more supination during the follow-through. Now let's
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look at some actual data using a few slides from Johnson Claire's presentation
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about rate of closure. I want to thank John again for being gracious enough to
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share some of his presentation with us. So here we have one of his slides and
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it
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showing two swings that had about the same amount of draw but using two kind
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of different swing styles and you'll see that the one on the left the club face
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is not quite as rotated as the one on the right looking from the down the line
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camera angle but if you look at the actual data down here at the bottom of
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the screen you'll see that the one where the club has rotated more actually had
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a
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slower rate of closure at impact significantly slower compared to the one
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where the face was held off. Now here's that same swing further into the follow
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-through
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and you can see that the one on the right remember these both drew about the
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same the one on the left was holding the face but you can see it passes body
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the
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one on the right there was more body turn and the club was being held more out
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in front of his chest. You can see that even though the one on the right has
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significantly more rotation at this point down it impact the one on the right
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had
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slower club face rotation compared to the one on the left. Now this is my
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favorite
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slide from the whole presentation because I really like the image at the top of
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the screen. So what we'll see if we zoom in on that top image is John's got a
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little wide sticking straight out of his chest so this line is pointing roughly
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at his chest similar to one of my the concept videos on Ironman movement. So
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over here on the left the one with the slower rotation down at impact you can
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see that the club is roughly still in front of his chest and this is probably
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close to shaft parallel. Over here on the right you can see that the club has
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passed his chest much quicker and by a greater degree and down at impact it had
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significantly faster club rotation speed. Regardless of the effort to hold the
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face it's really this amount of the club passing your body that'll have one of
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the bigger effects on your rate of closure speed. So if your goal is to get
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the club out in front of your chest at impact then you're really asking
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yourself
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to have a higher rate of closure and potentially some more variability to
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your swing.
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This concept video is discussing measured rate of closure. Now rate of closure
2
00:00:05.210 --> 00:00:05.440
is
3
00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:10.480
one of those hot topics in golf instruction because it seems to be
4
00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:15.240
closely tied to consistency or at least that's the way it's being taught. That
5
00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:20.720
it is more consistent to have a club that has a lower rate of closure compared
6
00:00:20.720 --> 00:00:24.920
to one that has a really fast rate of closure. Now what we're going to talk
7
00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:29.060
about in this video is some of the actual numbers that I've seen either with AM
8
00:00:29.060 --> 00:00:29.080
M
9
00:00:29.080 --> 00:00:34.720
or I'm going to reference some data from Johnson Claire who's done both AMM as
10
00:00:34.720 --> 00:00:39.160
well as gears. I think he's one of the bright minds out in golf and he's
11
00:00:39.160 --> 00:00:45.560
really he's unbiased in how he analyzes different systems and pins them up
12
00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:51.000
against each other just looking for accurate and factual data. Okay so rate
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of closure is a little bit more tricky than just looking at the follow-through
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position and saying okay if the club is there it was slower than it was there.
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In fact what I'm going to show you is it's usually the opposite. So when
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looking at the data I look at AMM and I'm going to share my experiences with
17
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looking at the axial velocity which is looking at one of the two more common
18
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ways that rate of closure is measured which is basically looking at how fast
19
00:01:19.520 --> 00:01:24.520
the club is rotating like this. One other way that gears measures it it
20
00:01:24.520 --> 00:01:31.240
presents both. It'll measure the club as it's rotating compared to the target
21
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line.
22
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There are a number of different other ways that you could measure it but
23
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those seem to be the most common too so either compared to the target or the
24
00:01:43.240 --> 00:01:48.960
shaft rotation itself. Those two are highly correlated together so with most
25
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of the data on AMM and most of my experience with rate of closure I'm
26
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looking at that axial rotation graph. What I've seen is that golfers with a
27
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lower rate of closure do tend to complain about what they complain less
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about consistency. The guys I've seen who have the higher rate of closure tend
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to
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be the ones who come in saying you know what I just kind of I've that two-way
31
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miss or I spray it my misses are really big they tend to struggle more with
32
00:02:14.920 --> 00:02:15.120
face
33
00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:18.670
control. So in this video we're going to talk about the couple key concepts
34
00:02:18.670 --> 00:02:19.000
that
35
00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:24.680
I think will help you understand your rate of closure issue. So now that we
36
00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:28.000
have a definition let's talk about what I think are the three main
37
00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:32.320
predictors. So we're going to look at supination amount not necessarily rate
38
00:02:32.320 --> 00:02:37.840
we're going to look at the club passing your chest and we'll look at the arc
39
00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:43.520
width. Those are I think three really good indicators for looking at what is
40
00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:47.440
your rate of closure. So the first one we're going to look at is the club
41
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passing your chest because that's the one that Johnson-Claire found had the
42
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highest correlation and totally makes sense to me. Basically if I'm I'll go
43
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slightly off angle so that you can see right around when it would happen. If
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the
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club is straight out in front of my chest the earlier that happens and the
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club passes my body that's going to have a faster rate of closure than if the
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club is yet to reach its widest point or more behind my body. So from the down
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the
49
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line view something that looks like that I'll try to get it a little higher so
50
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that it shows up on camera where the club face is not is pretty square as in
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perpendicular to the ground that will actually have a higher rate of closure
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because my body stopped turning and it passed it compared to that where the
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club face has rotated much more but is well behind my body. Now I've had a
54
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couple other questions relating to supination and the one I'll tie in from
55
00:03:53.480 --> 00:03:57.540
my own experience is arc width. I find that arc width has one of the higher
56
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predictors of the rotation speed or the axial velocity and that would make
57
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sense
58
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with what John's seeing because arc width is basically the distance the
59
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grip is from your chest and it will be widest roughly when it's passing your
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chest. So amateurs tend to have it pass the chest much earlier that gives them
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a
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lower arc width and a higher rate of closure. Poor pros tend to have the body
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lead longer and so it won't catch up or get to its widest point until later. So
64
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those two the club passing and the club getting wide you delay those as late as
65
00:04:35.300 --> 00:04:39.040
possible and that's going to bring down your your rate of closure issue or
66
00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:44.080
rate of closure number. Now the one that's kind of the most tricky conceptually
67
00:04:44.080 --> 00:04:49.480
is looking at supination. Now to be clear I'm talking about anatomical
68
00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:55.680
supination so I'm looking at the forearm rotation to the elbow all right not
69
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necessarily the hand compared to the absolute because I could have a whole
70
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lot of shoulder rotation. For example here I have a lot of shoulder rotation
71
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but
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not a whole lot of supination. I've still got a good 30 degrees left in the
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tank where here I have pretty much maxed out my supination but I don't have
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nearly as much shoulder rotation. So what I tend to see is in order to have
75
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your
76
00:05:25.280 --> 00:05:29.720
body rotated and side bent and in order to have those arms extend you're going
77
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to have to have a higher amount of supination compared to those golfers
78
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who stay facing the golf ball and don't turn their body quite as much. Now the
79
00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:45.480
key is it'll usually be a more gradual rate so it'll supinate for a not
80
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necessarily it'll start a little earlier and go maybe a touch later in the
81
00:05:50.760 --> 00:05:55.320
the follow-through but it will be slower going through that phase. The guys who
82
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tend to have really fast supination values tend to have the least amount of
83
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actual supination. So tying that together if you want to lower your rate of
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closure you want to be more open at impact you want to have more supination
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on the way through and you want to have the club stay behind the midpoint of
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your chest as long as possible. If you want to have a faster rate of closure
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you're going to let the club pass your body and bend quickly in the follow-
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through
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and you're going to have less forearm supination. So hopefully that helps you
90
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understand the pattern that I tend to teach especially as it relates to the
91
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longer clubs. If you're going to try to have consistency with the driver three
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would typically a swing that is built around a lower rate of closure is helpful
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and those swings tend to have more body rotation, body powering the swing, and
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later arm extension with more supination during the follow-through. Now let's
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look at some actual data using a few slides from Johnson Claire's presentation
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about rate of closure. I want to thank John again for being gracious enough to
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share some of his presentation with us. So here we have one of his slides and
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it
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showing two swings that had about the same amount of draw but using two kind
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of different swing styles and you'll see that the one on the left the club face
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is not quite as rotated as the one on the right looking from the down the line
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camera angle but if you look at the actual data down here at the bottom of
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the screen you'll see that the one where the club has rotated more actually had
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a
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slower rate of closure at impact significantly slower compared to the one
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where the face was held off. Now here's that same swing further into the follow
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-through
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and you can see that the one on the right remember these both drew about the
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same the one on the left was holding the face but you can see it passes body
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the
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one on the right there was more body turn and the club was being held more out
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in front of his chest. You can see that even though the one on the right has
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significantly more rotation at this point down it impact the one on the right
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had
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slower club face rotation compared to the one on the left. Now this is my
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favorite
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slide from the whole presentation because I really like the image at the top of
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the screen. So what we'll see if we zoom in on that top image is John's got a
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little wide sticking straight out of his chest so this line is pointing roughly
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at his chest similar to one of my the concept videos on Ironman movement. So
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over here on the left the one with the slower rotation down at impact you can
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see that the club is roughly still in front of his chest and this is probably
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close to shaft parallel. Over here on the right you can see that the club has
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passed his chest much quicker and by a greater degree and down at impact it had
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significantly faster club rotation speed. Regardless of the effort to hold the
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face it's really this amount of the club passing your body that'll have one of
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the bigger effects on your rate of closure speed. So if your goal is to get
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the club out in front of your chest at impact then you're really asking
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yourself
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to have a higher rate of closure and potentially some more variability to
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your swing.
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Understand Rate of Closure for More Consistent Shots
After this video, you'll be able to:
- Identify the differences between high and low rates of closure in your swing
- Analyze your swing data to enhance your shot consistency
- Understand how axial rotation affects your club's performance through impact
In this video, you'll learn about the measured rate of closure and its impact on your golf swing consistency. Discover how this concept can help you identify and improve your swing mechanics for better performance on the course.
Video Transcript
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This concept video is discussing measured rate of closure. Now rate of closure
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is
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one of those hot topics in golf instruction because it seems to be
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closely tied to consistency or at least that's the way it's being taught. That
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it is more consistent to have a club that has a lower rate of closure compared
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to one that has a really fast rate of closure. Now what we're going to talk
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about in this video is some of the actual numbers that I've seen either with AM
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M
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or I'm going to reference some data from Johnson Claire who's done both AMM as
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well as gears. I think he's one of the bright minds out in golf and he's
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really he's unbiased in how he analyzes different systems and pins them up
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against each other just looking for accurate and factual data. Okay so rate
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of closure is a little bit more tricky than just looking at the follow-through
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position and saying okay if the club is there it was slower than it was there.
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In fact what I'm going to show you is it's usually the opposite. So when
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looking at the data I look at AMM and I'm going to share my experiences with
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looking at the axial velocity which is looking at one of the two more common
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ways that rate of closure is measured which is basically looking at how fast
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the club is rotating like this. One other way that gears measures it it
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presents both. It'll measure the club as it's rotating compared to the target
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line.
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There are a number of different other ways that you could measure it but
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those seem to be the most common too so either compared to the target or the
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shaft rotation itself. Those two are highly correlated together so with most
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of the data on AMM and most of my experience with rate of closure I'm
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looking at that axial rotation graph. What I've seen is that golfers with a
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lower rate of closure do tend to complain about what they complain less
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about consistency. The guys I've seen who have the higher rate of closure tend
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to
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be the ones who come in saying you know what I just kind of I've that two-way
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miss or I spray it my misses are really big they tend to struggle more with
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face
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control. So in this video we're going to talk about the couple key concepts
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that
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I think will help you understand your rate of closure issue. So now that we
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have a definition let's talk about what I think are the three main
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predictors. So we're going to look at supination amount not necessarily rate
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we're going to look at the club passing your chest and we'll look at the arc
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width. Those are I think three really good indicators for looking at what is
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your rate of closure. So the first one we're going to look at is the club
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passing your chest because that's the one that Johnson-Claire found had the
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highest correlation and totally makes sense to me. Basically if I'm I'll go
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slightly off angle so that you can see right around when it would happen. If
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the
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club is straight out in front of my chest the earlier that happens and the
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club passes my body that's going to have a faster rate of closure than if the
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club is yet to reach its widest point or more behind my body. So from the down
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the
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line view something that looks like that I'll try to get it a little higher so
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that it shows up on camera where the club face is not is pretty square as in
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perpendicular to the ground that will actually have a higher rate of closure
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because my body stopped turning and it passed it compared to that where the
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club face has rotated much more but is well behind my body. Now I've had a
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couple other questions relating to supination and the one I'll tie in from
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my own experience is arc width. I find that arc width has one of the higher
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predictors of the rotation speed or the axial velocity and that would make
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sense
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with what John's seeing because arc width is basically the distance the
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grip is from your chest and it will be widest roughly when it's passing your
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chest. So amateurs tend to have it pass the chest much earlier that gives them
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a
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lower arc width and a higher rate of closure. Poor pros tend to have the body
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lead longer and so it won't catch up or get to its widest point until later. So
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those two the club passing and the club getting wide you delay those as late as
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possible and that's going to bring down your your rate of closure issue or
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rate of closure number. Now the one that's kind of the most tricky conceptually
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is looking at supination. Now to be clear I'm talking about anatomical
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supination so I'm looking at the forearm rotation to the elbow all right not
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necessarily the hand compared to the absolute because I could have a whole
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lot of shoulder rotation. For example here I have a lot of shoulder rotation
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but
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not a whole lot of supination. I've still got a good 30 degrees left in the
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tank where here I have pretty much maxed out my supination but I don't have
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nearly as much shoulder rotation. So what I tend to see is in order to have
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your
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body rotated and side bent and in order to have those arms extend you're going
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to have to have a higher amount of supination compared to those golfers
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who stay facing the golf ball and don't turn their body quite as much. Now the
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key is it'll usually be a more gradual rate so it'll supinate for a not
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necessarily it'll start a little earlier and go maybe a touch later in the
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the follow-through but it will be slower going through that phase. The guys who
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tend to have really fast supination values tend to have the least amount of
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actual supination. So tying that together if you want to lower your rate of
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closure you want to be more open at impact you want to have more supination
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on the way through and you want to have the club stay behind the midpoint of
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your chest as long as possible. If you want to have a faster rate of closure
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you're going to let the club pass your body and bend quickly in the follow-
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through
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and you're going to have less forearm supination. So hopefully that helps you
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understand the pattern that I tend to teach especially as it relates to the
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longer clubs. If you're going to try to have consistency with the driver three
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would typically a swing that is built around a lower rate of closure is helpful
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and those swings tend to have more body rotation, body powering the swing, and
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later arm extension with more supination during the follow-through. Now let's
95
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look at some actual data using a few slides from Johnson Claire's presentation
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about rate of closure. I want to thank John again for being gracious enough to
97
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share some of his presentation with us. So here we have one of his slides and
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it
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showing two swings that had about the same amount of draw but using two kind
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of different swing styles and you'll see that the one on the left the club face
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is not quite as rotated as the one on the right looking from the down the line
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camera angle but if you look at the actual data down here at the bottom of
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the screen you'll see that the one where the club has rotated more actually had
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a
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slower rate of closure at impact significantly slower compared to the one
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where the face was held off. Now here's that same swing further into the follow
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-through
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and you can see that the one on the right remember these both drew about the
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same the one on the left was holding the face but you can see it passes body
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the
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one on the right there was more body turn and the club was being held more out
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in front of his chest. You can see that even though the one on the right has
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significantly more rotation at this point down it impact the one on the right
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had
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slower club face rotation compared to the one on the left. Now this is my
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favorite
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slide from the whole presentation because I really like the image at the top of
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the screen. So what we'll see if we zoom in on that top image is John's got a
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little wide sticking straight out of his chest so this line is pointing roughly
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at his chest similar to one of my the concept videos on Ironman movement. So
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over here on the left the one with the slower rotation down at impact you can
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see that the club is roughly still in front of his chest and this is probably
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close to shaft parallel. Over here on the right you can see that the club has
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passed his chest much quicker and by a greater degree and down at impact it had
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significantly faster club rotation speed. Regardless of the effort to hold the
126
00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:08.680
face it's really this amount of the club passing your body that'll have one of
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the bigger effects on your rate of closure speed. So if your goal is to get
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the club out in front of your chest at impact then you're really asking
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yourself
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to have a higher rate of closure and potentially some more variability to
131
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your swing.
1
00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.210
This concept video is discussing measured rate of closure. Now rate of closure
2
00:00:05.210 --> 00:00:05.440
is
3
00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:10.480
one of those hot topics in golf instruction because it seems to be
4
00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:15.240
closely tied to consistency or at least that's the way it's being taught. That
5
00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:20.720
it is more consistent to have a club that has a lower rate of closure compared
6
00:00:20.720 --> 00:00:24.920
to one that has a really fast rate of closure. Now what we're going to talk
7
00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:29.060
about in this video is some of the actual numbers that I've seen either with AM
8
00:00:29.060 --> 00:00:29.080
M
9
00:00:29.080 --> 00:00:34.720
or I'm going to reference some data from Johnson Claire who's done both AMM as
10
00:00:34.720 --> 00:00:39.160
well as gears. I think he's one of the bright minds out in golf and he's
11
00:00:39.160 --> 00:00:45.560
really he's unbiased in how he analyzes different systems and pins them up
12
00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:51.000
against each other just looking for accurate and factual data. Okay so rate
13
00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:55.680
of closure is a little bit more tricky than just looking at the follow-through
14
00:00:55.680 --> 00:00:59.940
position and saying okay if the club is there it was slower than it was there.
15
00:00:59.940 --> 00:01:05.280
In fact what I'm going to show you is it's usually the opposite. So when
16
00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:10.160
looking at the data I look at AMM and I'm going to share my experiences with
17
00:01:10.160 --> 00:01:15.200
looking at the axial velocity which is looking at one of the two more common
18
00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:19.520
ways that rate of closure is measured which is basically looking at how fast
19
00:01:19.520 --> 00:01:24.520
the club is rotating like this. One other way that gears measures it it
20
00:01:24.520 --> 00:01:31.240
presents both. It'll measure the club as it's rotating compared to the target
21
00:01:31.240 --> 00:01:33.400
line.
22
00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:39.480
There are a number of different other ways that you could measure it but
23
00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:43.240
those seem to be the most common too so either compared to the target or the
24
00:01:43.240 --> 00:01:48.960
shaft rotation itself. Those two are highly correlated together so with most
25
00:01:48.960 --> 00:01:52.000
of the data on AMM and most of my experience with rate of closure I'm
26
00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:58.360
looking at that axial rotation graph. What I've seen is that golfers with a
27
00:01:58.360 --> 00:02:02.880
lower rate of closure do tend to complain about what they complain less
28
00:02:02.880 --> 00:02:06.890
about consistency. The guys I've seen who have the higher rate of closure tend
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to
30
00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:10.720
be the ones who come in saying you know what I just kind of I've that two-way
31
00:02:10.720 --> 00:02:14.920
miss or I spray it my misses are really big they tend to struggle more with
32
00:02:14.920 --> 00:02:15.120
face
33
00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:18.670
control. So in this video we're going to talk about the couple key concepts
34
00:02:18.670 --> 00:02:19.000
that
35
00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:24.680
I think will help you understand your rate of closure issue. So now that we
36
00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:28.000
have a definition let's talk about what I think are the three main
37
00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:32.320
predictors. So we're going to look at supination amount not necessarily rate
38
00:02:32.320 --> 00:02:37.840
we're going to look at the club passing your chest and we'll look at the arc
39
00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:43.520
width. Those are I think three really good indicators for looking at what is
40
00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:47.440
your rate of closure. So the first one we're going to look at is the club
41
00:02:47.440 --> 00:02:51.120
passing your chest because that's the one that Johnson-Claire found had the
42
00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:56.960
highest correlation and totally makes sense to me. Basically if I'm I'll go
43
00:02:56.960 --> 00:03:01.120
slightly off angle so that you can see right around when it would happen. If
44
00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:01.440
the
45
00:03:01.440 --> 00:03:06.120
club is straight out in front of my chest the earlier that happens and the
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club passes my body that's going to have a faster rate of closure than if the
47
00:03:10.440 --> 00:03:17.920
club is yet to reach its widest point or more behind my body. So from the down
48
00:03:17.920 --> 00:03:18.120
the
49
00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:26.040
line view something that looks like that I'll try to get it a little higher so
50
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that it shows up on camera where the club face is not is pretty square as in
51
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perpendicular to the ground that will actually have a higher rate of closure
52
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because my body stopped turning and it passed it compared to that where the
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club face has rotated much more but is well behind my body. Now I've had a
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couple other questions relating to supination and the one I'll tie in from
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my own experience is arc width. I find that arc width has one of the higher
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predictors of the rotation speed or the axial velocity and that would make
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sense
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with what John's seeing because arc width is basically the distance the
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grip is from your chest and it will be widest roughly when it's passing your
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chest. So amateurs tend to have it pass the chest much earlier that gives them
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a
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lower arc width and a higher rate of closure. Poor pros tend to have the body
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lead longer and so it won't catch up or get to its widest point until later. So
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those two the club passing and the club getting wide you delay those as late as
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possible and that's going to bring down your your rate of closure issue or
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rate of closure number. Now the one that's kind of the most tricky conceptually
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is looking at supination. Now to be clear I'm talking about anatomical
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supination so I'm looking at the forearm rotation to the elbow all right not
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necessarily the hand compared to the absolute because I could have a whole
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lot of shoulder rotation. For example here I have a lot of shoulder rotation
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but
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not a whole lot of supination. I've still got a good 30 degrees left in the
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tank where here I have pretty much maxed out my supination but I don't have
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nearly as much shoulder rotation. So what I tend to see is in order to have
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your
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body rotated and side bent and in order to have those arms extend you're going
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to have to have a higher amount of supination compared to those golfers
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who stay facing the golf ball and don't turn their body quite as much. Now the
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key is it'll usually be a more gradual rate so it'll supinate for a not
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necessarily it'll start a little earlier and go maybe a touch later in the
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the follow-through but it will be slower going through that phase. The guys who
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tend to have really fast supination values tend to have the least amount of
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actual supination. So tying that together if you want to lower your rate of
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closure you want to be more open at impact you want to have more supination
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on the way through and you want to have the club stay behind the midpoint of
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your chest as long as possible. If you want to have a faster rate of closure
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you're going to let the club pass your body and bend quickly in the follow-
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through
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and you're going to have less forearm supination. So hopefully that helps you
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understand the pattern that I tend to teach especially as it relates to the
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longer clubs. If you're going to try to have consistency with the driver three
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would typically a swing that is built around a lower rate of closure is helpful
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and those swings tend to have more body rotation, body powering the swing, and
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later arm extension with more supination during the follow-through. Now let's
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look at some actual data using a few slides from Johnson Claire's presentation
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about rate of closure. I want to thank John again for being gracious enough to
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share some of his presentation with us. So here we have one of his slides and
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it
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showing two swings that had about the same amount of draw but using two kind
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of different swing styles and you'll see that the one on the left the club face
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is not quite as rotated as the one on the right looking from the down the line
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camera angle but if you look at the actual data down here at the bottom of
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the screen you'll see that the one where the club has rotated more actually had
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a
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slower rate of closure at impact significantly slower compared to the one
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where the face was held off. Now here's that same swing further into the follow
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-through
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and you can see that the one on the right remember these both drew about the
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same the one on the left was holding the face but you can see it passes body
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the
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one on the right there was more body turn and the club was being held more out
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in front of his chest. You can see that even though the one on the right has
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significantly more rotation at this point down it impact the one on the right
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had
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slower club face rotation compared to the one on the left. Now this is my
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favorite
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slide from the whole presentation because I really like the image at the top of
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the screen. So what we'll see if we zoom in on that top image is John's got a
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little wide sticking straight out of his chest so this line is pointing roughly
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at his chest similar to one of my the concept videos on Ironman movement. So
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over here on the left the one with the slower rotation down at impact you can
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see that the club is roughly still in front of his chest and this is probably
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close to shaft parallel. Over here on the right you can see that the club has
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passed his chest much quicker and by a greater degree and down at impact it had
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significantly faster club rotation speed. Regardless of the effort to hold the
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face it's really this amount of the club passing your body that'll have one of
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the bigger effects on your rate of closure speed. So if your goal is to get
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the club out in front of your chest at impact then you're really asking
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yourself
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to have a higher rate of closure and potentially some more variability to
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your swing.
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