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Com Vs Cop

The COM vs COP discussion is to help you understand some of the current articles and research coming out about how the feet interact with the ground. It is a technical discsussion, but we get into the practical applications in the second half of the video. If you are a real golf nerd and like to study the science behind the swing, this video may help solidify some concepts for your brain.

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The COM vs COP discussion is to help you understand some of the current articles and research coming out about how the feet interact with the ground. It is a technical discsussion, but we get into the practical applications in the second half of the video. If you are a real golf nerd and like to study the science behind the swing, this video may help solidify some concepts for your brain.

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In this video we're going to break down the center of mass versus center of

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pressure discussion. So there's there's a really hot topic in golf right now if

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you haven't heard of it it's it's looking at ground force reaction and

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specifically looking at center of mass versus center of pressure. So I'll give

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you a couple ways that you can kind of visualize it and how you can understand

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how it applies to your swing. I've got a couple different yardage sticks I'm

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going to use as different kind of reference guides. So we'll start with

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just the two stick model. So we'll call the orange this is going to be where my

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center of mass is. So that's roughly gonna be around where the middle of my

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body is. So if I if I was to go like this the middle of my body is kind of

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somewhere out here. It's not truly where my belly button is. It's if you take

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the mass of my body and you kind of average it out. Now the yellow stick this

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is going to be more my pressure. So right now it's balanced between my two

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feet. I can shift all my weight here or all my pressure over here or I could

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shift all my pressure over here and for a split second I could have my mass

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still here and my pressure there by picking out my foot. So these two

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different objects are going to help us create moment arms and torques. Now

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these

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are some fancy words for the forces that I'm creating either against the

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ground or up against the club. Now and we should we should quickly break down

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kind of why we want these longer moment arms. When it comes to how I'm

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applying force against the ground the magnitude so how much I'm pushing the

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direction and the how long or the the impulse which is the force times time

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all are going to factor into this equation. So what happens is if I have

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my mass right on top of my pressure kind of like this it's very hard for me to

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create any type of lateral force. It's essentially and the reason is these two

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are right on top of each other so I basically have what's called no moment

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arm. There's no distance between these two. To understand that moment arm

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concept

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I always use the example of opening a door right. So we'll imagine that I've

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got a door right here and here's here's my hinge right is right over on this

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side. So they would put the door knob over here where I would turn it and then

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small amount of force over here is going to move at a time. Now they could have

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put the door knob right next to the hinge but if I if I apply that same

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amount of force it barely moves it compared to that same amount of force

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down here. And the reason is because of the distance away from this axis of

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rotation it's going to increase well the basically the formula is the force

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times that distance. So the greater the distance the less force I actually have

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to apply to get a big force. So if these two are right on top of each other I

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can't anything where I try to push in one way or the other is going to be all

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muscular I'm not going to have any of this kind of mechanical advantage. So the

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the times in the golf swing where this ground force reaction stuff is really

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important is going to be the early stages of transition or from the top of

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the swing until about delivery position. And the the neat thing is it's going

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to

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shift. It's going to go from one side where I'm kind of building to another

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side once I start bracing that I better have some distance between these two to

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allow me to capitalize on this little kind of door example. So before we jump

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into the specifics of how it applies to the swing I always like to run through

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kind of how you can look at ground reaction force in general. So for example

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if I was to jump I'm gonna push against the ground now if I had a little thing

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reading how much I'm pushing it against the ground what you would see is as I

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lower myself down I actually unweight slightly so you would see the pressure

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as I'm going down I'm actually not pushing against the ground very hard

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that'll help eccentrically load my muscles so then I can spring up so I

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accelerate against the ground and that causes me to go up. I push against the

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ground the force coming back from the ground allows me to take that force

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transmit it through my body and create it into upward motion. Now if we looked

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at kind of lateral movement or horizontal movement if I want to walk

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forward I'm going to push against the ground that way so I'm going to push

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against the ground that's going to cause me to go forward. Now if I'm standing

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like this where my mass is pretty much on top of my pressure I'm going to

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slightly move my mass forward and that allows me to not have to push as hard

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to go forward. If I was running or what you'll see sprinters do in the

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starter blocks is they'll get their their mass as far forward as they can so

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now two things I'm pushing more horizontally and any amount that I push

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is going to transmit immediately into forward motion because I have this huge

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moment art. The one caveat is the same reason why we as golfers wear spikes and

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why sprinters wear cleats as well is I need friction because if I start pushing

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too hard and the ground is not pushing back hard enough my foot's going to slip

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and it's not actually going to create motion. So there we've got the easy ones

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which is up and down side to side then you've also got rotation. Rotation is a

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little bit trickier because basically you're going to look at wherever the the

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object is in order to create rotation I want to push perpendicular to that

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axis of rotation. Right so if I were to push this way I'm not going to get

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nearly as much rotation out of it as if I pushed 90 degrees to wherever that

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center is. So what ends up happening in the golf swing is in order to create

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rotation I'm going to push that foot back that way and I'm going to push that

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foot that way and those two are going to create this rotation or spiral

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mechanic. Now what I frequently see is more people do this where they push this

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too much that way and then this one is going to tend to be more like that and

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so they don't get quite as much rotation as they could if they were to optimize

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it. So that's why in the early extension section we talk a lot about the push

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the ground away from you that's really to get this model of kind of pushing

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more

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in this back 30 back 45 instead of all the way back behind me. Okay so it's a

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rough breakdown as far as how the feet interact with the ground. Now we have to

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explore a little bit this how do I control my mass compared to this pressure.

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So when I make a backswing part of the reason that we want to be somewhat

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centered is so that my mass is here my pressure is here that allows me to push

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against the ground and kind of create this rotational speed. One of the other

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things is the more that I stand up right that actually tends to bring these two

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together the the further that I drop down I should say so I'll exaggerate it

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right if I was to drop down a lot now my mass pushing through the foot is going

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to be like this if I was standing up it's pushing like that so I'm not going to

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get as much horizontal movement. The easy way to illustrate that is if I was

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looking at I was used to like to watch Barry Sanders change direction he was a

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famous football player and he would get really low to the ground so because he

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would be low to the ground he could have his mass he could have a huge moment

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arm between where his pressure was with his cleat and where his mass was where

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someone who was a little bit taller trying to change direction they wouldn't

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be able to apply nearly as much force. So in golf by keeping this centered

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pivot

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in the backswing now I can push from this pressure over here on the right to

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start moving the mass to the left. Now my mass doesn't move as fast as the

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pressure does I'm going to shift my lower body but my upper body stays a

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little bit more centered so the pressure goes from pushing here to pushing here

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to help me now start that bracing process. The tricky thing is all of that's

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going

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to happen between there so I go from pushing to pushing kind of as I go step

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step. Now part of the reason why you'll see a lot of golfers lower during those

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pushing phases you know someone like Tiger someone like Rory you'll see them

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drop down in order to create more friction against the ground so that they

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can apply more of these shear and rotational torques or twist their feet

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against the ground. So that's a lot of kind of complicated phrasing and

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science to understand how the body is working with the ground. Now here's the

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one caveat I've talked with a number of other kind of applied golf sport

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science guys and my personal opinion is that good ground reaction force is more

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of a sign that you're doing a lot of things right than something that you can

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ultimately train. It's kind of like if I had you squatting and I and I put you

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on a force plate and I put some weight on your back and had you squat down and

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I

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said okay that was good but really good squatters are going to squat more than

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that or so why don't we just put more weight on you. You might look at me like

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I'm crazy but that's essentially when you tell someone hey you know push a lot

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harder against the ground. It could be that the arms in the club are out of

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position and so they can't push harder at the ground you kind of have to clean

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that up stuff that stuff up first. Similarly if I cleaned up you know your

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knee tracking your core activation your shoulder and scapular stability then

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we can safely add more weight and we can get you to push against the ground

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harder in that squat metaphor. So if you get on a reading and you see that

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you've got some force or some pressure or weight distribution issues I would

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always look at the face-to-path relationship first make sure that that

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is relatively solid before you're going to be able to really maximize any of

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this ground stuff. So that's always my take I know that there are guys that go

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to the ground first but my personal preference I've had more success cleaning

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up the face-and-path and then creating the speed with the body or then

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addressing how to create speed with the body rather than vice versa because it

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very hard to create more speed and better force and pressure against the

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ground whether it's in the creating speed or the bracing to transmit speed it's

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very hard to add speed if you know that that's going to make you contact the

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ball worse. So hopefully that helps you visualize helps you understand if you

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have a little bit more of a centered pivot on both sides if your body lowers

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slightly especially during transition if you then when you start pushing

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through

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that lead foot if that creates a little bit of this lift back move both of

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those

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are going to be the big times where especially in this frontal plane we're

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going to be able to maximize these center mass center of pressure relationships

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and that's ultimately gonna help give you the most efficient way to create

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speed in the handle and as long as you can direct that to the golf ball it'll

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help you hit the ball far and straight. So with a club you can see that I'm

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pushing through with that right foot and then I'm pushing through with that

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left

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foot. Now the important thing is not just how much I push that's why I started

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this by saying there's those three important factors how long I push and

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the direction that I push are just as important as how much I push and I tend

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to find that most people struggle with the direction or how long. So from a

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practical application I'll tend to say hey that was good just I want you to

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feel

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like you push a little bit longer or hey that wasn't too bad except you push

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more that way I want to push a little bit more that way that will help kind of

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create some of this side bend movement and then when I add that front foot that

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will really help create some of this side bend movement. So don't get caught up

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on how much I think that's the last one that you can really start trying to

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amplify but worry about how long and what direction for the most part most of

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the pushing is going to be done by kind of right about in here whatever I've

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done

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at that point actually it's probably even a little bit higher but whatever

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I've done at that point my next goal is just to take advantage of that and

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transmit as much as I can to the club what we teach in the stocks full swing

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will give you some of the best mass versus pressure versus ground force

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relationships and ultimately that's how we're able to build some of this

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consistency into this complicated thing we call the golf swing. Also from a

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practical standpoint I tend to think that the more important one is not so

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much how well I push with that trail leg but more so how well do I keep this

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relationship in the frontal plane and be able to push with that lead leg. So if

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I get totally on top of the golf ball like this then when I push it's gonna

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have a hard time creating side bend out of it that's gonna make it hard for me

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to have a real shallow angle of attack especially with the longer clubs so if

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you're focusing on kind of that feeling of pushing through the ground I would

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focus on that one there which is the bracing of that lead leg to help trigger

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the whole release. Looks something like that.

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Com Vs Cop

The COM vs COP discussion is to help you understand some of the current articles and research coming out about how the feet interact with the ground. It is a technical discsussion, but we get into the practical applications in the second half of the video. If you are a real golf nerd and like to study the science behind the swing, this video may help solidify some concepts for your brain.

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The COM vs COP discussion is to help you understand some of the current articles and research coming out about how the feet interact with the ground. It is a technical discsussion, but we get into the practical applications in the second half of the video. If you are a real golf nerd and like to study the science behind the swing, this video may help solidify some concepts for your brain.

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In this video we're going to break down the center of mass versus center of

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pressure discussion. So there's there's a really hot topic in golf right now if

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you haven't heard of it it's it's looking at ground force reaction and

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specifically looking at center of mass versus center of pressure. So I'll give

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you a couple ways that you can kind of visualize it and how you can understand

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how it applies to your swing. I've got a couple different yardage sticks I'm

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going to use as different kind of reference guides. So we'll start with

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just the two stick model. So we'll call the orange this is going to be where my

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center of mass is. So that's roughly gonna be around where the middle of my

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body is. So if I if I was to go like this the middle of my body is kind of

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somewhere out here. It's not truly where my belly button is. It's if you take

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all

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the mass of my body and you kind of average it out. Now the yellow stick this

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is going to be more my pressure. So right now it's balanced between my two

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feet. I can shift all my weight here or all my pressure over here or I could

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shift all my pressure over here and for a split second I could have my mass

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still here and my pressure there by picking out my foot. So these two

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different objects are going to help us create moment arms and torques. Now

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these

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are some fancy words for the forces that I'm creating either against the

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ground or up against the club. Now and we should we should quickly break down

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kind of why we want these longer moment arms. When it comes to how I'm

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applying force against the ground the magnitude so how much I'm pushing the

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direction and the how long or the the impulse which is the force times time

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all are going to factor into this equation. So what happens is if I have

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my mass right on top of my pressure kind of like this it's very hard for me to

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create any type of lateral force. It's essentially and the reason is these two

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are right on top of each other so I basically have what's called no moment

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arm. There's no distance between these two. To understand that moment arm

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concept

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I always use the example of opening a door right. So we'll imagine that I've

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got a door right here and here's here's my hinge right is right over on this

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side. So they would put the door knob over here where I would turn it and then

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a

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small amount of force over here is going to move at a time. Now they could have

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put the door knob right next to the hinge but if I if I apply that same

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amount of force it barely moves it compared to that same amount of force

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down here. And the reason is because of the distance away from this axis of

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rotation it's going to increase well the basically the formula is the force

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times that distance. So the greater the distance the less force I actually have

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to apply to get a big force. So if these two are right on top of each other I

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can't anything where I try to push in one way or the other is going to be all

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muscular I'm not going to have any of this kind of mechanical advantage. So the

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the times in the golf swing where this ground force reaction stuff is really

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important is going to be the early stages of transition or from the top of

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the swing until about delivery position. And the the neat thing is it's going

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to

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shift. It's going to go from one side where I'm kind of building to another

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side once I start bracing that I better have some distance between these two to

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allow me to capitalize on this little kind of door example. So before we jump

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into the specifics of how it applies to the swing I always like to run through

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kind of how you can look at ground reaction force in general. So for example

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if I was to jump I'm gonna push against the ground now if I had a little thing

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reading how much I'm pushing it against the ground what you would see is as I

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lower myself down I actually unweight slightly so you would see the pressure

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as I'm going down I'm actually not pushing against the ground very hard

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that'll help eccentrically load my muscles so then I can spring up so I

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accelerate against the ground and that causes me to go up. I push against the

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ground the force coming back from the ground allows me to take that force

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transmit it through my body and create it into upward motion. Now if we looked

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at kind of lateral movement or horizontal movement if I want to walk

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forward I'm going to push against the ground that way so I'm going to push

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against the ground that's going to cause me to go forward. Now if I'm standing

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like this where my mass is pretty much on top of my pressure I'm going to

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slightly move my mass forward and that allows me to not have to push as hard

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to go forward. If I was running or what you'll see sprinters do in the

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starter blocks is they'll get their their mass as far forward as they can so

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now two things I'm pushing more horizontally and any amount that I push

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is going to transmit immediately into forward motion because I have this huge

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moment art. The one caveat is the same reason why we as golfers wear spikes and

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why sprinters wear cleats as well is I need friction because if I start pushing

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too hard and the ground is not pushing back hard enough my foot's going to slip

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and it's not actually going to create motion. So there we've got the easy ones

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which is up and down side to side then you've also got rotation. Rotation is a

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little bit trickier because basically you're going to look at wherever the the

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object is in order to create rotation I want to push perpendicular to that

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axis of rotation. Right so if I were to push this way I'm not going to get

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nearly as much rotation out of it as if I pushed 90 degrees to wherever that

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center is. So what ends up happening in the golf swing is in order to create

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rotation I'm going to push that foot back that way and I'm going to push that

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foot that way and those two are going to create this rotation or spiral

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mechanic. Now what I frequently see is more people do this where they push this

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too much that way and then this one is going to tend to be more like that and

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so they don't get quite as much rotation as they could if they were to optimize

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it. So that's why in the early extension section we talk a lot about the push

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the ground away from you that's really to get this model of kind of pushing

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more

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in this back 30 back 45 instead of all the way back behind me. Okay so it's a

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rough breakdown as far as how the feet interact with the ground. Now we have to

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explore a little bit this how do I control my mass compared to this pressure.

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So when I make a backswing part of the reason that we want to be somewhat

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centered is so that my mass is here my pressure is here that allows me to push

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against the ground and kind of create this rotational speed. One of the other

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things is the more that I stand up right that actually tends to bring these two

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together the the further that I drop down I should say so I'll exaggerate it

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right if I was to drop down a lot now my mass pushing through the foot is going

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to be like this if I was standing up it's pushing like that so I'm not going to

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get as much horizontal movement. The easy way to illustrate that is if I was

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looking at I was used to like to watch Barry Sanders change direction he was a

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famous football player and he would get really low to the ground so because he

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would be low to the ground he could have his mass he could have a huge moment

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arm between where his pressure was with his cleat and where his mass was where

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someone who was a little bit taller trying to change direction they wouldn't

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be able to apply nearly as much force. So in golf by keeping this centered

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pivot

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in the backswing now I can push from this pressure over here on the right to

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start moving the mass to the left. Now my mass doesn't move as fast as the

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pressure does I'm going to shift my lower body but my upper body stays a

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little bit more centered so the pressure goes from pushing here to pushing here

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to help me now start that bracing process. The tricky thing is all of that's

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going

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to happen between there so I go from pushing to pushing kind of as I go step

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step. Now part of the reason why you'll see a lot of golfers lower during those

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pushing phases you know someone like Tiger someone like Rory you'll see them

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drop down in order to create more friction against the ground so that they

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can apply more of these shear and rotational torques or twist their feet

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against the ground. So that's a lot of kind of complicated phrasing and

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science to understand how the body is working with the ground. Now here's the

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one caveat I've talked with a number of other kind of applied golf sport

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science guys and my personal opinion is that good ground reaction force is more

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of a sign that you're doing a lot of things right than something that you can

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ultimately train. It's kind of like if I had you squatting and I and I put you

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on a force plate and I put some weight on your back and had you squat down and

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I

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said okay that was good but really good squatters are going to squat more than

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that or so why don't we just put more weight on you. You might look at me like

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I'm crazy but that's essentially when you tell someone hey you know push a lot

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harder against the ground. It could be that the arms in the club are out of

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position and so they can't push harder at the ground you kind of have to clean

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that up stuff that stuff up first. Similarly if I cleaned up you know your

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knee tracking your core activation your shoulder and scapular stability then

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we can safely add more weight and we can get you to push against the ground

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harder in that squat metaphor. So if you get on a reading and you see that

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you've got some force or some pressure or weight distribution issues I would

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always look at the face-to-path relationship first make sure that that

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is relatively solid before you're going to be able to really maximize any of

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this ground stuff. So that's always my take I know that there are guys that go

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to the ground first but my personal preference I've had more success cleaning

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up the face-and-path and then creating the speed with the body or then

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addressing how to create speed with the body rather than vice versa because it

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very hard to create more speed and better force and pressure against the

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ground whether it's in the creating speed or the bracing to transmit speed it's

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very hard to add speed if you know that that's going to make you contact the

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ball worse. So hopefully that helps you visualize helps you understand if you

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have a little bit more of a centered pivot on both sides if your body lowers

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slightly especially during transition if you then when you start pushing

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through

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that lead foot if that creates a little bit of this lift back move both of

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those

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are going to be the big times where especially in this frontal plane we're

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going to be able to maximize these center mass center of pressure relationships

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and that's ultimately gonna help give you the most efficient way to create

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speed in the handle and as long as you can direct that to the golf ball it'll

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help you hit the ball far and straight. So with a club you can see that I'm

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pushing through with that right foot and then I'm pushing through with that

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left

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foot. Now the important thing is not just how much I push that's why I started

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this by saying there's those three important factors how long I push and

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the direction that I push are just as important as how much I push and I tend

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to find that most people struggle with the direction or how long. So from a

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practical application I'll tend to say hey that was good just I want you to

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feel

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like you push a little bit longer or hey that wasn't too bad except you push

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more that way I want to push a little bit more that way that will help kind of

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create some of this side bend movement and then when I add that front foot that

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will really help create some of this side bend movement. So don't get caught up

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on how much I think that's the last one that you can really start trying to

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amplify but worry about how long and what direction for the most part most of

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the pushing is going to be done by kind of right about in here whatever I've

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done

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at that point actually it's probably even a little bit higher but whatever

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I've done at that point my next goal is just to take advantage of that and

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transmit as much as I can to the club what we teach in the stocks full swing

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will give you some of the best mass versus pressure versus ground force

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relationships and ultimately that's how we're able to build some of this

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consistency into this complicated thing we call the golf swing. Also from a

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practical standpoint I tend to think that the more important one is not so

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much how well I push with that trail leg but more so how well do I keep this

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relationship in the frontal plane and be able to push with that lead leg. So if

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I get totally on top of the golf ball like this then when I push it's gonna

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have a hard time creating side bend out of it that's gonna make it hard for me

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to have a real shallow angle of attack especially with the longer clubs so if

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you're focusing on kind of that feeling of pushing through the ground I would

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focus on that one there which is the bracing of that lead leg to help trigger

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the whole release. Looks something like that.

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