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Should You Preset Shoulder Blade Shallowing at Address?

After this video, you'll be able to:

  • Understand the impact of presetting shoulder blades on swing dynamics
  • Identify the correct shoulder blade positioning for better impact
  • Learn how to avoid common setup mistakes that limit your swing movement

In this video, you'll learn whether presetting your shoulder blade position at address is beneficial for your swing. We'll discuss the implications of this technique on your overall body alignment and swing mechanics.

Video Transcript
WEBVTT

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This concept video is answering the member question, "Can I preset the shoulder

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blade

3
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shadowing at address?"

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So, the simple answer is yes, I think you can do a little bit, but no, you can

5
00:00:16.710 --> 00:00:17.120
't do

6
00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:21.140
it to the maximum amount or the amount that you would want in the swing, so I

7
00:00:21.140 --> 00:00:21.680
'll walk

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you through two different scenarios or two different times where I think if you

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preset

10
00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:30.500
it at address, it's going to really restrict your swing.

11
00:00:30.500 --> 00:00:34.750
So, during the downswing, if we just kind of recap of where we're trying to get

12
00:00:34.750 --> 00:00:35.120
to, we

13
00:00:35.120 --> 00:00:39.100
want to have the shoulders to be a little bit more in the shoulder closed

14
00:00:39.100 --> 00:00:40.200
position where

15
00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:43.760
that right shoulder blade is back and that left shoulder blade is forward.

16
00:00:43.760 --> 00:00:49.790
If I combine that with some good body rotation, that gets me into a pretty good

17
00:00:49.790 --> 00:00:50.880
body impact

18
00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:54.710
alignment, kind of more like that, where a lot of amateurs struggle with

19
00:00:54.710 --> 00:00:55.400
getting the

20
00:00:55.400 --> 00:01:00.640
club into a steeper position and that is usually from either the arms kind of

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00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:02.080
pulling down

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or most commonly, the shoulder blades spinning this way, so they're actually

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silted that

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way as opposed to that way.

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So, I do think it's helpful to preset a little bit of it.

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I do think it's helpful to have that shoulder blade back a little bit.

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But if we look at the differential that we're going to get in transition, your

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shoulder blades

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are going to be somewhere around 40, 45 degrees closed compared to your pelvis.

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So, if I preset that, this now becomes challenging to get into a good setup

31
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position.

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That means I would either have to set up like this with my hips wide open or I

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would

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be kind of tilted behind the ball and further away from it kind of like this.

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It's hard to get into this good kind of flexed athletic position with my

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shoulder blades

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in that amount of closed position.

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The other thing would be then, if I was in this position, it'd be really easy

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to kind

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of have a flat shoulder blade and come off the ball or get some backswing early

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extension.

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If I preset this a ton, it's a little bit challenging to ghost into the side

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bend or

44
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the left tilt during the backswing that will help keep us a little bit more

45
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centered.

46
00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:23.440
So, that's scenario one as it can kind of mess up the backswing.

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Area two is from a power perspective.

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It will mess up your sequencing where your body will move more as a block

49
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rather than

50
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kind of as a whip.

51
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So, as a little exercise, if you were to hold up your arm and we'll take your

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trail

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arm and we'll stick it out, you know, not quite as far back as you can, but

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more towards

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the side kind of like this.

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And then if you were to turn your body towards the target, what you will feel

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is you're going

58
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to feel that your shoulder blade actually slides towards your spine if you keep

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your

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arm in the same position.

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So, if I turn this way so that the back camera can see my shoulder blade, if I

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'm like this

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and I turn my body towards the road over there, you'll see that the shoulder

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blade kind of

65
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glides along the spine backward.

66
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So, if I started with it kind of in this locked position, if I started with it

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as far back

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as I could go, then when I turn my body forward, my arms are just going to come

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with it.

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So, what that would look like is if I preset this close to the max, which will

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be really

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hard to do, but if I get it to pretty much the max there, I don't really have

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any room

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to increase the second I want to start turning my lower body and my core, my

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arms are going

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to come with it.

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Where if I have a little bit of slack, it doesn't have to be a lot.

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So, that's why I say you can preset some of it, but if I have a little bit of

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slack in

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that shoulder blade, then when I turn my lower body, I can kind of lag those

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arms behind

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where the shoulder blade connects and I still am getting kind of the energy or

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the connection

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from my lower body through my core into my arms and get me into this really

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good delivery

86
00:03:58.920 --> 00:03:59.920
position.

87
00:03:59.920 --> 00:04:03.860
So, shoulder blade challenging is one of those important pieces that helps with

88
00:04:03.860 --> 00:04:04.360
path,

89
00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:06.840
but it also helps with sequencing and power.

90
00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:10.840
So, while you can preset a little bit of it setup, I'd be cautious of doing it

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to your

92
00:04:11.320 --> 00:04:12.320
maximum.

93
00:04:12.320 --> 00:04:17.440
It could mess up either your power production or your backswing pivot position.

94
00:04:17.440 --> 00:04:22.010
So, here's a little bit of kind of preset shoulders, which from the down the

95
00:04:22.010 --> 00:04:22.520
line is

96
00:04:22.520 --> 00:04:27.970
going to look fairly neutral, where this would be if I was presetting kind of

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to my

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maximum.

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If I was to preset to my maximum kind of like this, I will hit a draw most

100
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likely from

101
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that amount of closed position, but you'll see how flat the shoulder plane was

102
00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:42.580
and you'll

103
00:04:42.580 --> 00:04:46.860
see how it'll be difficult to get the ribcage sway because that's evolved, so

104
00:04:46.860 --> 00:04:47.320
it's hard

105
00:04:47.320 --> 00:04:49.000
to get low point far enough forward.

106
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Now, let's just throttle back off that, instead of all the way, we'll throttle

107
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back off that

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maybe 20%.

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For some golfers, I think that that can be plenty, especially if you battle

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with a really

111
00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:05.920
severe over the top shoulder move.

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00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:09.230
So, experiment with the different amount and confirm it with down the line

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camera that

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way, you'll be able to buy in that what you're exaggerating isn't really that

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00:05:14.010 --> 00:05:15.000
exaggerated.

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Should You Preset Shoulder Blade Shallowing at Address?

After this video, you'll be able to:

  • Understand the impact of presetting shoulder blades on swing dynamics
  • Identify the correct shoulder blade positioning for better impact
  • Learn how to avoid common setup mistakes that limit your swing movement

In this video, you'll learn whether presetting your shoulder blade position at address is beneficial for your swing. We'll discuss the implications of this technique on your overall body alignment and swing mechanics.

Video Transcript
WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:09.100
This concept video is answering the member question, "Can I preset the shoulder

2
00:00:09.100 --> 00:00:09.400
blade

3
00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:11.240
shadowing at address?"

4
00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:16.710
So, the simple answer is yes, I think you can do a little bit, but no, you can

5
00:00:16.710 --> 00:00:17.120
't do

6
00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:21.140
it to the maximum amount or the amount that you would want in the swing, so I

7
00:00:21.140 --> 00:00:21.680
'll walk

8
00:00:21.680 --> 00:00:25.980
you through two different scenarios or two different times where I think if you

9
00:00:25.980 --> 00:00:26.440
preset

10
00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:30.500
it at address, it's going to really restrict your swing.

11
00:00:30.500 --> 00:00:34.750
So, during the downswing, if we just kind of recap of where we're trying to get

12
00:00:34.750 --> 00:00:35.120
to, we

13
00:00:35.120 --> 00:00:39.100
want to have the shoulders to be a little bit more in the shoulder closed

14
00:00:39.100 --> 00:00:40.200
position where

15
00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:43.760
that right shoulder blade is back and that left shoulder blade is forward.

16
00:00:43.760 --> 00:00:49.790
If I combine that with some good body rotation, that gets me into a pretty good

17
00:00:49.790 --> 00:00:50.880
body impact

18
00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:54.710
alignment, kind of more like that, where a lot of amateurs struggle with

19
00:00:54.710 --> 00:00:55.400
getting the

20
00:00:55.400 --> 00:01:00.640
club into a steeper position and that is usually from either the arms kind of

21
00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:02.080
pulling down

22
00:01:02.080 --> 00:01:07.360
or most commonly, the shoulder blades spinning this way, so they're actually

23
00:01:07.360 --> 00:01:08.240
silted that

24
00:01:08.240 --> 00:01:10.640
way as opposed to that way.

25
00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:14.760
So, I do think it's helpful to preset a little bit of it.

26
00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:18.080
I do think it's helpful to have that shoulder blade back a little bit.

27
00:01:18.080 --> 00:01:23.730
But if we look at the differential that we're going to get in transition, your

28
00:01:23.730 --> 00:01:25.000
shoulder blades

29
00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:29.880
are going to be somewhere around 40, 45 degrees closed compared to your pelvis.

30
00:01:29.880 --> 00:01:35.950
So, if I preset that, this now becomes challenging to get into a good setup

31
00:01:35.950 --> 00:01:37.120
position.

32
00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:42.360
That means I would either have to set up like this with my hips wide open or I

33
00:01:42.360 --> 00:01:42.760
would

34
00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:48.120
be kind of tilted behind the ball and further away from it kind of like this.

35
00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:52.680
It's hard to get into this good kind of flexed athletic position with my

36
00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:53.920
shoulder blades

37
00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:57.640
in that amount of closed position.

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The other thing would be then, if I was in this position, it'd be really easy

39
00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:01.480
to kind

40
00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:07.890
of have a flat shoulder blade and come off the ball or get some backswing early

41
00:02:07.890 --> 00:02:09.200
extension.

42
00:02:09.200 --> 00:02:15.170
If I preset this a ton, it's a little bit challenging to ghost into the side

43
00:02:15.170 --> 00:02:15.840
bend or

44
00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:18.620
the left tilt during the backswing that will help keep us a little bit more

45
00:02:18.620 --> 00:02:19.240
centered.

46
00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:23.440
So, that's scenario one as it can kind of mess up the backswing.

47
00:02:23.440 --> 00:02:26.520
Area two is from a power perspective.

48
00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:32.260
It will mess up your sequencing where your body will move more as a block

49
00:02:32.260 --> 00:02:33.360
rather than

50
00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:34.880
kind of as a whip.

51
00:02:34.880 --> 00:02:40.120
So, as a little exercise, if you were to hold up your arm and we'll take your

52
00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:40.420
trail

53
00:02:40.420 --> 00:02:44.410
arm and we'll stick it out, you know, not quite as far back as you can, but

54
00:02:44.410 --> 00:02:45.280
more towards

55
00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:46.840
the side kind of like this.

56
00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:51.240
And then if you were to turn your body towards the target, what you will feel

57
00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:52.000
is you're going

58
00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:55.300
to feel that your shoulder blade actually slides towards your spine if you keep

59
00:02:55.300 --> 00:02:55.560
your

60
00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:56.560
arm in the same position.

61
00:02:56.560 --> 00:03:00.010
So, if I turn this way so that the back camera can see my shoulder blade, if I

62
00:03:00.010 --> 00:03:00.560
'm like this

63
00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:05.750
and I turn my body towards the road over there, you'll see that the shoulder

64
00:03:05.750 --> 00:03:06.000
blade kind of

65
00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:07.840
glides along the spine backward.

66
00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:12.330
So, if I started with it kind of in this locked position, if I started with it

67
00:03:12.330 --> 00:03:13.160
as far back

68
00:03:13.160 --> 00:03:17.320
as I could go, then when I turn my body forward, my arms are just going to come

69
00:03:17.320 --> 00:03:18.000
with it.

70
00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:22.250
So, what that would look like is if I preset this close to the max, which will

71
00:03:22.250 --> 00:03:22.880
be really

72
00:03:22.880 --> 00:03:27.030
hard to do, but if I get it to pretty much the max there, I don't really have

73
00:03:27.030 --> 00:03:27.680
any room

74
00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:33.360
to increase the second I want to start turning my lower body and my core, my

75
00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:34.560
arms are going

76
00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:35.560
to come with it.

77
00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:38.560
Where if I have a little bit of slack, it doesn't have to be a lot.

78
00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:41.720
So, that's why I say you can preset some of it, but if I have a little bit of

79
00:03:41.720 --> 00:03:42.200
slack in

80
00:03:42.200 --> 00:03:48.310
that shoulder blade, then when I turn my lower body, I can kind of lag those

81
00:03:48.310 --> 00:03:49.400
arms behind

82
00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:53.870
where the shoulder blade connects and I still am getting kind of the energy or

83
00:03:53.870 --> 00:03:54.880
the connection

84
00:03:54.880 --> 00:03:58.180
from my lower body through my core into my arms and get me into this really

85
00:03:58.180 --> 00:03:58.920
good delivery

86
00:03:58.920 --> 00:03:59.920
position.

87
00:03:59.920 --> 00:04:03.860
So, shoulder blade challenging is one of those important pieces that helps with

88
00:04:03.860 --> 00:04:04.360
path,

89
00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:06.840
but it also helps with sequencing and power.

90
00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:10.840
So, while you can preset a little bit of it setup, I'd be cautious of doing it

91
00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:11.320
to your

92
00:04:11.320 --> 00:04:12.320
maximum.

93
00:04:12.320 --> 00:04:17.440
It could mess up either your power production or your backswing pivot position.

94
00:04:17.440 --> 00:04:22.010
So, here's a little bit of kind of preset shoulders, which from the down the

95
00:04:22.010 --> 00:04:22.520
line is

96
00:04:22.520 --> 00:04:27.970
going to look fairly neutral, where this would be if I was presetting kind of

97
00:04:27.970 --> 00:04:28.320
to my

98
00:04:28.320 --> 00:04:29.320
maximum.

99
00:04:29.320 --> 00:04:37.780
If I was to preset to my maximum kind of like this, I will hit a draw most

100
00:04:37.780 --> 00:04:38.360
likely from

101
00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:42.160
that amount of closed position, but you'll see how flat the shoulder plane was

102
00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:42.580
and you'll

103
00:04:42.580 --> 00:04:46.860
see how it'll be difficult to get the ribcage sway because that's evolved, so

104
00:04:46.860 --> 00:04:47.320
it's hard

105
00:04:47.320 --> 00:04:49.000
to get low point far enough forward.

106
00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:53.450
Now, let's just throttle back off that, instead of all the way, we'll throttle

107
00:04:53.450 --> 00:04:54.920
back off that

108
00:04:54.920 --> 00:05:00.280
maybe 20%.

109
00:05:00.280 --> 00:05:03.130
For some golfers, I think that that can be plenty, especially if you battle

110
00:05:03.130 --> 00:05:03.800
with a really

111
00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:05.920
severe over the top shoulder move.

112
00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:09.230
So, experiment with the different amount and confirm it with down the line

113
00:05:09.230 --> 00:05:09.840
camera that

114
00:05:09.840 --> 00:05:14.010
way, you'll be able to buy in that what you're exaggerating isn't really that

115
00:05:14.010 --> 00:05:15.000
exaggerated.

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