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Axis Tilt in Downswing Lumbar or Thoracic Spine

In this video, we address whether access tilt in the downswing is created from the lumbar or thoracic spine. We explain that both parts of the spine contribute, with emphasis on the thoracic spine for most rotational and side bend movements. Understanding pelvis movement and translation is key to achieving consistent and effective swings.

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In this video, we address whether access tilt in the downswing is created from the lumbar or thoracic spine. We explain that both parts of the spine contribute, with emphasis on the thoracic spine for most rotational and side bend movements. Understanding pelvis movement and translation is key to achieving consistent and effective swings.

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Video Transcript
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This content video is answering the member question, "Is axis tilting the down

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swing created

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from the lumbar or thoracic spine?"

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Well, the simple answer is that it's both.

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Ideally, the part of your spine that's going to do most of the rotational

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movement, side

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bend movement, extension movement, is going to be kind of the middle of the

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thoracic

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spine, somewhere around T6, down to the pelvis or really down to about L3.

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L4 and L5 don't have quite as much motion because the ligament structure there.

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So we're really looking at trying to get most of the movement happening here.

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What I think tends to happen is some golfers have a little bit more of a look

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like this,

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and some golf instructors will say that that's more of a lumbar tilt, and some

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golfers will

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have a little bit more of a look like this, and they'll say there more of the

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side bend

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is happening from the thoracic spine.

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I think that what we're potentially looking at is the effect of what's

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happening with

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the pelvis and how much translation has taken place before going into that side

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bend.

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But from just a biomechanics perspective, if we're looking at the body, we

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basically

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want everything from about nipple level or the bottom of your chest or the

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bottom of

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your shoulder blades from there down kind of working as one cohesive unit.

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It's basically going to have some rotation with a little bit of crunch and

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translation

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there in transition, and then it's going to have more of this side bend

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extension, or

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the technical term for the blended movement that we want is negative torsion.

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So the movement during the release is going to be more of this blend of

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rotation extension

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side bend while still lengthening.

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That's a key component to it, and when you do that, that tends to help control

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the depth

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of low point, so it allows you to be in a position where you're a little bit

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more over

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that front foot and where you can cover the ball a little bit better.

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So it's a hallmark of some swings, but other golfers who don't have as much of

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that translation

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will appear that they're tilted a little bit more back, and they will tend to

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have a little

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bit earlier movement of the shoulder blades.

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In my opinion, that tends to require a little bit more timing, but it can be

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more comfortable.

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It can potentially work, but again, I think they tend to have a little bit more

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bigger

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misses, and I think in general, they tend to have a little bit less consistency

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.

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So kind of to put it to bed, what you see as far as is the ribcage lumbar or

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thoracic

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spine, that's not really the key to look at.

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It's more about the amount of translation first and what's happening at the pel

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vis that

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will kind of coordinate how much access to what we're seeing.

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It's not really a drastic difference in the amount of side bend, maybe the

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feeling and

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the way that it's creating the side bend, but not really the amount.

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Tyler Ferrell is the only person in the world named to Golf Digest's list of Best Young Teachers in America AND its list of Best Golf Fitness Professionals in America.

Axis Tilt in Downswing Lumbar or Thoracic Spine

In this video, we address whether access tilt in the downswing is created from the lumbar or thoracic spine. We explain that both parts of the spine contribute, with emphasis on the thoracic spine for most rotational and side bend movements. Understanding pelvis movement and translation is key to achieving consistent and effective swings.

Show more

In this video, we address whether access tilt in the downswing is created from the lumbar or thoracic spine. We explain that both parts of the spine contribute, with emphasis on the thoracic spine for most rotational and side bend movements. Understanding pelvis movement and translation is key to achieving consistent and effective swings.

Hide
Video Transcript
WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:09.310
This content video is answering the member question, "Is axis tilting the down

2
00:00:09.310 --> 00:00:09.960
swing created

3
00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:12.360
from the lumbar or thoracic spine?"

4
00:00:12.360 --> 00:00:15.760
Well, the simple answer is that it's both.

5
00:00:15.760 --> 00:00:20.190
Ideally, the part of your spine that's going to do most of the rotational

6
00:00:20.190 --> 00:00:21.200
movement, side

7
00:00:21.200 --> 00:00:25.450
bend movement, extension movement, is going to be kind of the middle of the

8
00:00:25.450 --> 00:00:26.080
thoracic

9
00:00:26.080 --> 00:00:33.120
spine, somewhere around T6, down to the pelvis or really down to about L3.

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00:00:33.120 --> 00:00:39.000
L4 and L5 don't have quite as much motion because the ligament structure there.

11
00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:45.480
So we're really looking at trying to get most of the movement happening here.

12
00:00:45.480 --> 00:00:49.850
What I think tends to happen is some golfers have a little bit more of a look

13
00:00:49.850 --> 00:00:50.960
like this,

14
00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:55.850
and some golf instructors will say that that's more of a lumbar tilt, and some

15
00:00:55.850 --> 00:00:56.640
golfers will

16
00:00:56.640 --> 00:00:59.900
have a little bit more of a look like this, and they'll say there more of the

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00:00:59.900 --> 00:01:00.480
side bend

18
00:01:00.480 --> 00:01:03.400
is happening from the thoracic spine.

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00:01:03.400 --> 00:01:09.240
I think that what we're potentially looking at is the effect of what's

20
00:01:09.240 --> 00:01:10.640
happening with

21
00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:17.240
the pelvis and how much translation has taken place before going into that side

22
00:01:17.240 --> 00:01:18.000
bend.

23
00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:22.490
But from just a biomechanics perspective, if we're looking at the body, we

24
00:01:22.490 --> 00:01:23.240
basically

25
00:01:23.240 --> 00:01:29.370
want everything from about nipple level or the bottom of your chest or the

26
00:01:29.370 --> 00:01:30.280
bottom of

27
00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:36.560
your shoulder blades from there down kind of working as one cohesive unit.

28
00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:42.080
It's basically going to have some rotation with a little bit of crunch and

29
00:01:42.080 --> 00:01:43.160
translation

30
00:01:43.160 --> 00:01:47.560
there in transition, and then it's going to have more of this side bend

31
00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:49.000
extension, or

32
00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:55.080
the technical term for the blended movement that we want is negative torsion.

33
00:01:55.080 --> 00:02:00.490
So the movement during the release is going to be more of this blend of

34
00:02:00.490 --> 00:02:01.480
rotation extension

35
00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:04.080
side bend while still lengthening.

36
00:02:04.080 --> 00:02:09.520
That's a key component to it, and when you do that, that tends to help control

37
00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:10.080
the depth

38
00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:13.290
of low point, so it allows you to be in a position where you're a little bit

39
00:02:13.290 --> 00:02:13.860
more over

40
00:02:13.860 --> 00:02:18.200
that front foot and where you can cover the ball a little bit better.

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00:02:18.200 --> 00:02:22.760
So it's a hallmark of some swings, but other golfers who don't have as much of

42
00:02:22.760 --> 00:02:23.960
that translation

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00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:28.100
will appear that they're tilted a little bit more back, and they will tend to

44
00:02:28.100 --> 00:02:28.800
have a little

45
00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:32.160
bit earlier movement of the shoulder blades.

46
00:02:32.160 --> 00:02:37.950
In my opinion, that tends to require a little bit more timing, but it can be

47
00:02:37.950 --> 00:02:39.680
more comfortable.

48
00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:45.100
It can potentially work, but again, I think they tend to have a little bit more

49
00:02:45.100 --> 00:02:45.580
bigger

50
00:02:45.580 --> 00:02:50.590
misses, and I think in general, they tend to have a little bit less consistency

51
00:02:50.590 --> 00:02:50.880
.

52
00:02:50.880 --> 00:02:57.140
So kind of to put it to bed, what you see as far as is the ribcage lumbar or

53
00:02:57.140 --> 00:02:58.200
thoracic

54
00:02:58.200 --> 00:03:03.320
spine, that's not really the key to look at.

55
00:03:03.320 --> 00:03:08.090
It's more about the amount of translation first and what's happening at the pel

56
00:03:08.090 --> 00:03:08.560
vis that

57
00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:12.680
will kind of coordinate how much access to what we're seeing.

58
00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:17.500
It's not really a drastic difference in the amount of side bend, maybe the

59
00:03:17.500 --> 00:03:18.320
feeling and

60
00:03:18.320 --> 00:03:23.360
the way that it's creating the side bend, but not really the amount.

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