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How to Check Your Arm Shallowing for Better Downswing

After this video, you'll be able to:

  • Identify the correct angle of your arms in relation to your body during the downswing
  • Evaluate whether your arms are shallowing properly for improved contact
  • Learn how to integrate the shallow arm position into your delivery phase effectively

In this video, you'll learn to evaluate your arm positioning during the downswing to ensure you're achieving the right shallow angle. Understanding this concept can help you improve your swing dynamics and overall ball striking.

Video Transcript
WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:09.360
This concept video is the Arm Shallow Checkpoint.

2
00:00:09.360 --> 00:00:14.490
I always get a question at least once a month or so of, "Hey, am I shallowing

3
00:00:14.490 --> 00:00:16.440
my arms enough?

4
00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:18.000
What's my transition look like?"

5
00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:23.620
I want to give you a quick single image that you can use to evaluate your steep

6
00:00:23.620 --> 00:00:24.560
and shallow

7
00:00:24.560 --> 00:00:25.560
balance.

8
00:00:25.560 --> 00:00:29.550
Now, granted that that steep and shallow balance is going to continue for the

9
00:00:29.550 --> 00:00:31.120
whole downswing,

10
00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:35.640
so sometimes you could have a perfect position and still mess it up.

11
00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:40.910
But this in my years of coaching has been one of my tried and true places to

12
00:00:40.910 --> 00:00:41.480
look for

13
00:00:41.480 --> 00:00:42.480
first.

14
00:00:42.480 --> 00:00:46.570
And basically what we're looking at is from the down the line camera angle, we

15
00:00:46.570 --> 00:00:47.280
're looking

16
00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:52.040
at the angle of the shaft compared to the body kind of early in the downswing

17
00:00:52.040 --> 00:00:52.560
right

18
00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:56.680
around when the arm is parallel or right around p5.

19
00:00:56.680 --> 00:01:01.380
So somewhere around here looking for the angle of the club compared to the body

20
00:01:01.380 --> 00:01:01.680
.

21
00:01:01.680 --> 00:01:06.090
And I say that because compared to the body is how we'll see if it's shallowing

22
00:01:06.090 --> 00:01:06.440
more

23
00:01:06.440 --> 00:01:08.640
from the arms or from the body.

24
00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:13.020
To get into the shallow arm position, we pre-build this into the delivery

25
00:01:13.020 --> 00:01:13.920
position.

26
00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:19.410
So the shallow arm position is a rotation of the left arm and a rotation of the

27
00:01:19.410 --> 00:01:19.840
right

28
00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:20.840
arm.

29
00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:24.660
The left arm is primarily from the shoulder with a little bit of forearm from

30
00:01:24.660 --> 00:01:25.240
the right

31
00:01:25.240 --> 00:01:27.080
arm or the trail arm.

32
00:01:27.080 --> 00:01:31.330
It's primarily from the shoulder because the forearm is actually as it goes

33
00:01:31.330 --> 00:01:32.320
into extension

34
00:01:32.320 --> 00:01:35.920
is actually going into a little bit more of a steepening move.

35
00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:41.410
So as you'll see, we'll look through a number of examples here, just kind of

36
00:01:41.410 --> 00:01:42.240
rapid fire.

37
00:01:42.240 --> 00:01:46.440
And as you'll see, there's some variants, there's some people who are a little

38
00:01:46.440 --> 00:01:47.480
bit more

39
00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:50.320
up and down compared to the body, this would be more steep.

40
00:01:50.320 --> 00:01:52.880
And there are people who are closer to parallel.

41
00:01:52.880 --> 00:01:56.800
You have some extremes like Morikawa and John Rahm who are actually maybe even

42
00:01:56.800 --> 00:01:57.320
flatter

43
00:01:57.320 --> 00:01:59.280
than parallel.

44
00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:04.520
I think that in general, the shallow arms can be a bit of an advantage.

45
00:02:04.520 --> 00:02:08.800
One kind of example that I use is if I had the club straight up and down and I

46
00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:09.800
just dropped

47
00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:13.940
it down to the ground, you can see it kind of hits the leading edge really hard

48
00:02:13.940 --> 00:02:14.680
and bounces

49
00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:15.840
off the ground.

50
00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:20.310
Now in order to not make that slam into the ground, I would have to pull up

51
00:02:20.310 --> 00:02:21.080
away from the

52
00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:24.200
golf ball, either with my arms or with my body.

53
00:02:24.200 --> 00:02:29.680
So I would have to time this stand up move with the arm swinging more

54
00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:30.160
vertically.

55
00:02:30.160 --> 00:02:35.650
If I swung the arms in more of a horizontal fashion, now the club is going to

56
00:02:35.650 --> 00:02:36.400
skim along

57
00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:40.560
the ground simply because it's coming in a more shallow angle.

58
00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:46.120
So in my book, the stock tour swing, I use the example of landing a plane.

59
00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.830
If the plane is coming down vertically like this, it's going to have to pull up

60
00:02:49.830 --> 00:02:50.480
perfectly

61
00:02:50.480 --> 00:02:54.120
or else it's going to bounce off the runway or miss it.

62
00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:58.680
Where if it's coming down on more gradual pattern, it's got more margin of air.

63
00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:03.150
Also, it's easier to do this little pull up move in a light airplane than it

64
00:03:03.150 --> 00:03:03.840
would be

65
00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:08.320
in a giant, you know, international plane, 747 or 777.

66
00:03:08.320 --> 00:03:13.460
I can't say I know those numbers very well, but hopefully you get the point,

67
00:03:13.460 --> 00:03:13.840
which is

68
00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:17.960
with the longer clubs, especially like the driver and the long irons, if this

69
00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:18.720
gets steep,

70
00:03:18.720 --> 00:03:22.200
it becomes harder to time that stand up pattern.

71
00:03:22.200 --> 00:03:27.690
So let's take a look at a number of examples all taken from the same tee so we

72
00:03:27.690 --> 00:03:28.160
can see

73
00:03:28.160 --> 00:03:32.420
kind of the spectrum of what we're seeing here in transition with this arm

74
00:03:32.420 --> 00:03:33.320
shallow checkpoint.

75
00:03:38.320 --> 00:04:03.720
Hopefully you saw the pattern there.

76
00:04:03.720 --> 00:04:07.310
If you're looking at your arm shallow checkpoint, I'm going to give you a

77
00:04:07.310 --> 00:04:08.280
couple little key

78
00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:09.800
keys to look in on.

79
00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:14.500
One from the body, you're looking at basically how well you've maintained your

80
00:04:14.500 --> 00:04:15.440
spine angle.

81
00:04:15.440 --> 00:04:19.540
So if this has gotten really flat or you might have to add the face on camera

82
00:04:19.540 --> 00:04:20.200
to see if you're

83
00:04:20.200 --> 00:04:21.920
tilted way behind.

84
00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:27.410
Because oftentimes that steep arm pattern will be accompanied with a shallow

85
00:04:27.410 --> 00:04:28.480
body pattern.

86
00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:31.770
Now it looks like the club is on plane, but I'm going to have a low point

87
00:04:31.770 --> 00:04:32.800
nightmare trying

88
00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:37.120
to balance that steep arm and shallow body pattern.

89
00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:41.770
So if I'm shallow or if I'm steeper in this body position, so I'm more on top

90
00:04:41.770 --> 00:04:42.600
and down,

91
00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:46.000
then the arms are going to have to be in more of a shallow position.

92
00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:49.510
Looking at the trail arm, that will look like the arm is more in front of the

93
00:04:49.510 --> 00:04:50.400
body as opposed

94
00:04:50.400 --> 00:04:52.480
to behind the body.

95
00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:56.260
Looking at the lead arm, if you're looking at where the elbow is pointing, the

96
00:04:56.260 --> 00:04:56.720
elbow

97
00:04:56.720 --> 00:05:01.860
will be pointing more out towards the golf ball instead of down towards the

98
00:05:01.860 --> 00:05:02.400
ground.

99
00:05:02.400 --> 00:05:06.810
So if the lead elbow is pointing more down or the trail elbow is pointing more

100
00:05:06.810 --> 00:05:07.400
back,

101
00:05:07.400 --> 00:05:11.010
that's more of a steep arm pattern and you will have to shallow that with your

102
00:05:11.010 --> 00:05:11.520
body.

103
00:05:11.520 --> 00:05:16.160
If the trail arm is more in front and the lead arm is pointing out, that's more

104
00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:16.480
of a

105
00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:20.680
shallow arm pattern and you will have to steepen it by staying in your posture

106
00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:21.200
and turning

107
00:05:21.200 --> 00:05:22.200
through.

108
00:05:22.200 --> 00:05:25.880
Those are typically helpful complimentary patterns.

109
00:05:25.880 --> 00:05:30.520
Even though this is a concept video, let's do a real quick demo.

110
00:05:30.520 --> 00:05:34.230
So if I have the arms in a steeper pattern like this, that club is going to

111
00:05:34.230 --> 00:05:34.840
slam into

112
00:05:34.840 --> 00:05:42.600
this mat unless I stand up at the right time, but we'll see some armben, some

113
00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:43.880
stall, and

114
00:05:43.880 --> 00:05:47.180
that felt pretty jarring, doesn't feel like that would be something I could do

115
00:05:47.180 --> 00:05:47.520
really

116
00:05:47.520 --> 00:05:48.880
consistently.

117
00:05:48.880 --> 00:05:54.040
As opposed to, if I get this into more of a flatter arm position from here, now

118
00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:54.320
this

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00:05:54.320 --> 00:05:59.460
should have very little timing, all I have to do is extend the arms and stay

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down and

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turn my body and the club is just going to slide along your ground.

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So this arm shallowing is one of the ways that Torpros build in some

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consistency to their

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pattern, a thing that most amateurs are complaining that they wish they had

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more.

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Tyler Ferrell is the only person in the world named to Golf Digest's list of Best Young Teachers in America AND its list of Best Golf Fitness Professionals in America.

How to Check Your Arm Shallowing for Better Downswing

After this video, you'll be able to:

  • Identify the correct angle of your arms in relation to your body during the downswing
  • Evaluate whether your arms are shallowing properly for improved contact
  • Learn how to integrate the shallow arm position into your delivery phase effectively

In this video, you'll learn to evaluate your arm positioning during the downswing to ensure you're achieving the right shallow angle. Understanding this concept can help you improve your swing dynamics and overall ball striking.

Video Transcript
WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:09.360
This concept video is the Arm Shallow Checkpoint.

2
00:00:09.360 --> 00:00:14.490
I always get a question at least once a month or so of, "Hey, am I shallowing

3
00:00:14.490 --> 00:00:16.440
my arms enough?

4
00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:18.000
What's my transition look like?"

5
00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:23.620
I want to give you a quick single image that you can use to evaluate your steep

6
00:00:23.620 --> 00:00:24.560
and shallow

7
00:00:24.560 --> 00:00:25.560
balance.

8
00:00:25.560 --> 00:00:29.550
Now, granted that that steep and shallow balance is going to continue for the

9
00:00:29.550 --> 00:00:31.120
whole downswing,

10
00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:35.640
so sometimes you could have a perfect position and still mess it up.

11
00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:40.910
But this in my years of coaching has been one of my tried and true places to

12
00:00:40.910 --> 00:00:41.480
look for

13
00:00:41.480 --> 00:00:42.480
first.

14
00:00:42.480 --> 00:00:46.570
And basically what we're looking at is from the down the line camera angle, we

15
00:00:46.570 --> 00:00:47.280
're looking

16
00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:52.040
at the angle of the shaft compared to the body kind of early in the downswing

17
00:00:52.040 --> 00:00:52.560
right

18
00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:56.680
around when the arm is parallel or right around p5.

19
00:00:56.680 --> 00:01:01.380
So somewhere around here looking for the angle of the club compared to the body

20
00:01:01.380 --> 00:01:01.680
.

21
00:01:01.680 --> 00:01:06.090
And I say that because compared to the body is how we'll see if it's shallowing

22
00:01:06.090 --> 00:01:06.440
more

23
00:01:06.440 --> 00:01:08.640
from the arms or from the body.

24
00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:13.020
To get into the shallow arm position, we pre-build this into the delivery

25
00:01:13.020 --> 00:01:13.920
position.

26
00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:19.410
So the shallow arm position is a rotation of the left arm and a rotation of the

27
00:01:19.410 --> 00:01:19.840
right

28
00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:20.840
arm.

29
00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:24.660
The left arm is primarily from the shoulder with a little bit of forearm from

30
00:01:24.660 --> 00:01:25.240
the right

31
00:01:25.240 --> 00:01:27.080
arm or the trail arm.

32
00:01:27.080 --> 00:01:31.330
It's primarily from the shoulder because the forearm is actually as it goes

33
00:01:31.330 --> 00:01:32.320
into extension

34
00:01:32.320 --> 00:01:35.920
is actually going into a little bit more of a steepening move.

35
00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:41.410
So as you'll see, we'll look through a number of examples here, just kind of

36
00:01:41.410 --> 00:01:42.240
rapid fire.

37
00:01:42.240 --> 00:01:46.440
And as you'll see, there's some variants, there's some people who are a little

38
00:01:46.440 --> 00:01:47.480
bit more

39
00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:50.320
up and down compared to the body, this would be more steep.

40
00:01:50.320 --> 00:01:52.880
And there are people who are closer to parallel.

41
00:01:52.880 --> 00:01:56.800
You have some extremes like Morikawa and John Rahm who are actually maybe even

42
00:01:56.800 --> 00:01:57.320
flatter

43
00:01:57.320 --> 00:01:59.280
than parallel.

44
00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:04.520
I think that in general, the shallow arms can be a bit of an advantage.

45
00:02:04.520 --> 00:02:08.800
One kind of example that I use is if I had the club straight up and down and I

46
00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:09.800
just dropped

47
00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:13.940
it down to the ground, you can see it kind of hits the leading edge really hard

48
00:02:13.940 --> 00:02:14.680
and bounces

49
00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:15.840
off the ground.

50
00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:20.310
Now in order to not make that slam into the ground, I would have to pull up

51
00:02:20.310 --> 00:02:21.080
away from the

52
00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:24.200
golf ball, either with my arms or with my body.

53
00:02:24.200 --> 00:02:29.680
So I would have to time this stand up move with the arm swinging more

54
00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:30.160
vertically.

55
00:02:30.160 --> 00:02:35.650
If I swung the arms in more of a horizontal fashion, now the club is going to

56
00:02:35.650 --> 00:02:36.400
skim along

57
00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:40.560
the ground simply because it's coming in a more shallow angle.

58
00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:46.120
So in my book, the stock tour swing, I use the example of landing a plane.

59
00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.830
If the plane is coming down vertically like this, it's going to have to pull up

60
00:02:49.830 --> 00:02:50.480
perfectly

61
00:02:50.480 --> 00:02:54.120
or else it's going to bounce off the runway or miss it.

62
00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:58.680
Where if it's coming down on more gradual pattern, it's got more margin of air.

63
00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:03.150
Also, it's easier to do this little pull up move in a light airplane than it

64
00:03:03.150 --> 00:03:03.840
would be

65
00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:08.320
in a giant, you know, international plane, 747 or 777.

66
00:03:08.320 --> 00:03:13.460
I can't say I know those numbers very well, but hopefully you get the point,

67
00:03:13.460 --> 00:03:13.840
which is

68
00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:17.960
with the longer clubs, especially like the driver and the long irons, if this

69
00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:18.720
gets steep,

70
00:03:18.720 --> 00:03:22.200
it becomes harder to time that stand up pattern.

71
00:03:22.200 --> 00:03:27.690
So let's take a look at a number of examples all taken from the same tee so we

72
00:03:27.690 --> 00:03:28.160
can see

73
00:03:28.160 --> 00:03:32.420
kind of the spectrum of what we're seeing here in transition with this arm

74
00:03:32.420 --> 00:03:33.320
shallow checkpoint.

75
00:03:38.320 --> 00:04:03.720
Hopefully you saw the pattern there.

76
00:04:03.720 --> 00:04:07.310
If you're looking at your arm shallow checkpoint, I'm going to give you a

77
00:04:07.310 --> 00:04:08.280
couple little key

78
00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:09.800
keys to look in on.

79
00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:14.500
One from the body, you're looking at basically how well you've maintained your

80
00:04:14.500 --> 00:04:15.440
spine angle.

81
00:04:15.440 --> 00:04:19.540
So if this has gotten really flat or you might have to add the face on camera

82
00:04:19.540 --> 00:04:20.200
to see if you're

83
00:04:20.200 --> 00:04:21.920
tilted way behind.

84
00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:27.410
Because oftentimes that steep arm pattern will be accompanied with a shallow

85
00:04:27.410 --> 00:04:28.480
body pattern.

86
00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:31.770
Now it looks like the club is on plane, but I'm going to have a low point

87
00:04:31.770 --> 00:04:32.800
nightmare trying

88
00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:37.120
to balance that steep arm and shallow body pattern.

89
00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:41.770
So if I'm shallow or if I'm steeper in this body position, so I'm more on top

90
00:04:41.770 --> 00:04:42.600
and down,

91
00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:46.000
then the arms are going to have to be in more of a shallow position.

92
00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:49.510
Looking at the trail arm, that will look like the arm is more in front of the

93
00:04:49.510 --> 00:04:50.400
body as opposed

94
00:04:50.400 --> 00:04:52.480
to behind the body.

95
00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:56.260
Looking at the lead arm, if you're looking at where the elbow is pointing, the

96
00:04:56.260 --> 00:04:56.720
elbow

97
00:04:56.720 --> 00:05:01.860
will be pointing more out towards the golf ball instead of down towards the

98
00:05:01.860 --> 00:05:02.400
ground.

99
00:05:02.400 --> 00:05:06.810
So if the lead elbow is pointing more down or the trail elbow is pointing more

100
00:05:06.810 --> 00:05:07.400
back,

101
00:05:07.400 --> 00:05:11.010
that's more of a steep arm pattern and you will have to shallow that with your

102
00:05:11.010 --> 00:05:11.520
body.

103
00:05:11.520 --> 00:05:16.160
If the trail arm is more in front and the lead arm is pointing out, that's more

104
00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:16.480
of a

105
00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:20.680
shallow arm pattern and you will have to steepen it by staying in your posture

106
00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:21.200
and turning

107
00:05:21.200 --> 00:05:22.200
through.

108
00:05:22.200 --> 00:05:25.880
Those are typically helpful complimentary patterns.

109
00:05:25.880 --> 00:05:30.520
Even though this is a concept video, let's do a real quick demo.

110
00:05:30.520 --> 00:05:34.230
So if I have the arms in a steeper pattern like this, that club is going to

111
00:05:34.230 --> 00:05:34.840
slam into

112
00:05:34.840 --> 00:05:42.600
this mat unless I stand up at the right time, but we'll see some armben, some

113
00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:43.880
stall, and

114
00:05:43.880 --> 00:05:47.180
that felt pretty jarring, doesn't feel like that would be something I could do

115
00:05:47.180 --> 00:05:47.520
really

116
00:05:47.520 --> 00:05:48.880
consistently.

117
00:05:48.880 --> 00:05:54.040
As opposed to, if I get this into more of a flatter arm position from here, now

118
00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:54.320
this

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should have very little timing, all I have to do is extend the arms and stay

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down and

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turn my body and the club is just going to slide along your ground.

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So this arm shallowing is one of the ways that Torpros build in some

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consistency to their

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pattern, a thing that most amateurs are complaining that they wish they had

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