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Understanding Across the Line vs. Laid Off in Your Swing

After this video, you'll be able to:

  • Identify the impact of your top-of-swing position on your downswing.
  • Visualize how across the line and laid off positions affect shaft angle.
  • Adjust your swing strategy based on your top position for better consistency.

In this video, you'll learn the differences between being across the line and laid off at the top of your swing. Understanding these positions is crucial for improving your downswing and overall swing mechanics.

Video Transcript
WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.980
This video is discussing across the line or laid off at the top of the swing.

2
00:00:05.980 --> 00:00:11.110
So I had a member question basically asking if being laid off at the top of the

3
00:00:11.110 --> 00:00:11.260
swing

4
00:00:11.260 --> 00:00:12.260
is okay.

5
00:00:12.260 --> 00:00:16.720
And I thought that that would be a good opportunity to just discuss what's

6
00:00:16.720 --> 00:00:17.340
important with the

7
00:00:17.340 --> 00:00:18.540
top of the swing.

8
00:00:18.540 --> 00:00:24.940
Why is it, why would it be bad to be possibly really across the line like this?

9
00:00:24.940 --> 00:00:29.180
Or why would it be bad to be really laid off like that?

10
00:00:29.180 --> 00:00:32.350
So in this video we're gonna relate what's going on at the top of the swing to

11
00:00:32.350 --> 00:00:32.760
what we

12
00:00:32.760 --> 00:00:35.380
need to do in the downswing.

13
00:00:35.380 --> 00:00:42.110
One simple way that I try to work in the top of the swing is by going through

14
00:00:42.110 --> 00:00:43.100
rewind from

15
00:00:43.100 --> 00:00:44.100
delivery.

16
00:00:44.100 --> 00:00:48.830
So basically this is roughly where we're trying to get to in the downswing

17
00:00:48.830 --> 00:00:49.740
where the shaft

18
00:00:49.740 --> 00:00:55.520
is close to parallel to my body instead of, or perpendicular to my spine

19
00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:57.260
instead of parallel

20
00:00:57.260 --> 00:01:01.860
to my spine, or it's basically parallel to the target kind of like this.

21
00:01:01.860 --> 00:01:07.450
Well if I am across the line at the top of the swing, and if I brought myself

22
00:01:07.450 --> 00:01:09.380
back to

23
00:01:09.380 --> 00:01:13.200
basically a setup position with my body, you can see that the shaft is very

24
00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:13.980
vertical.

25
00:01:13.980 --> 00:01:17.740
If I was to go to the top of the swing and get really laid off, and I brought

26
00:01:17.740 --> 00:01:18.260
it back

27
00:01:18.260 --> 00:01:22.100
to where the top of the swing or the setup would be, you can see that it's very

28
00:01:22.100 --> 00:01:23.060
horizontal.

29
00:01:23.060 --> 00:01:28.760
So one way to think about the top of the backswing is more laid off is pre-sh

30
00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:29.740
allowed.

31
00:01:29.740 --> 00:01:34.980
And a more across the line position requires more shallowing.

32
00:01:34.980 --> 00:01:39.580
So if I'm going to be steeping across the line, so if my arms are very vertical

33
00:01:39.580 --> 00:01:40.140
, then

34
00:01:40.140 --> 00:01:45.370
I really have to have the kind of the temperament that I'm gonna have a lot of

35
00:01:45.370 --> 00:01:46.460
weighting and

36
00:01:46.460 --> 00:01:53.490
a lot of patience as the club shallows during this phase here before applying

37
00:01:53.490 --> 00:01:54.500
speed down

38
00:01:54.500 --> 00:01:59.850
at the bottom, where if it's already pre-shallowed, I may be okay going at it a

39
00:01:59.850 --> 00:02:01.180
little bit harder

40
00:02:01.180 --> 00:02:02.340
earlier.

41
00:02:02.340 --> 00:02:07.300
So matching where I am at the top of the swing with the timing of how I'm going

42
00:02:07.300 --> 00:02:07.920
to create

43
00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.980
speed is not a bad way to look at it.

44
00:02:10.980 --> 00:02:17.900
The other way to look at it is if I tend to struggle with more of a steepened

45
00:02:17.900 --> 00:02:19.060
transition

46
00:02:19.060 --> 00:02:23.630
kind of either face control or driver issues, then I may be better working on

47
00:02:23.630 --> 00:02:24.260
trying to

48
00:02:24.260 --> 00:02:27.670
get a little bit pre-shallowed because I'm having a hard time balancing the

49
00:02:27.670 --> 00:02:28.180
amount of

50
00:02:28.180 --> 00:02:30.380
shallows at the top.

51
00:02:30.380 --> 00:02:35.560
Conversely, if I'm more laid off at the top and I may be looking to get a

52
00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:36.700
little bit more

53
00:02:36.700 --> 00:02:43.100
distance, I may be looking to possibly improve some wedge play.

54
00:02:43.100 --> 00:02:46.750
There are other reasons why I might want to get steeper, but what I want you to

55
00:02:46.750 --> 00:02:47.180
start

56
00:02:47.180 --> 00:02:52.060
thinking of is there's no arbitrary just perfect top of the backswing position.

57
00:02:52.060 --> 00:02:55.140
It really relates to what's going on in the downswing.

58
00:02:55.140 --> 00:02:58.500
So if you think backward based on where you are in the downswing and how it

59
00:02:58.500 --> 00:02:59.020
relates to

60
00:02:59.020 --> 00:03:03.500
the top, it'll give you a better idea as far as what to change.

61
00:03:03.500 --> 00:03:09.890
One other quick point is where the club is at the top also depends on how much

62
00:03:09.890 --> 00:03:10.620
my body

63
00:03:10.620 --> 00:03:11.900
has turned.

64
00:03:11.900 --> 00:03:17.940
So if I have the club in this position here and I stop it like a 3/4 look, this

65
00:03:17.940 --> 00:03:18.500
might

66
00:03:18.500 --> 00:03:20.580
appear like it's laid off.

67
00:03:20.580 --> 00:03:25.650
If I kept pivoting inside bending and went to the top of the swing from here,

68
00:03:25.650 --> 00:03:26.500
well there

69
00:03:26.500 --> 00:03:30.300
you might see that it's closer to on plane.

70
00:03:30.300 --> 00:03:34.620
So that's another reason why you might want to not just arbitrarily chase some

71
00:03:34.620 --> 00:03:35.140
perfect

72
00:03:35.140 --> 00:03:40.090
top of the backswing position because of the length of the swing, how you're

73
00:03:40.090 --> 00:03:40.860
creating

74
00:03:40.860 --> 00:03:43.140
speed all play a role.

75
00:03:43.140 --> 00:03:47.710
But if I could simplify it into one classic rule, if it's across the line you

76
00:03:47.710 --> 00:03:48.260
have to

77
00:03:48.260 --> 00:03:53.080
shallow it a lot more, if it's laid off you have to shallow it less and you can

78
00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:53.620
use that

79
00:03:53.620 --> 00:03:57.260
to your advantage if you're trying to control certain contact misses, like if

80
00:03:57.260 --> 00:03:58.220
you're struggling

81
00:03:58.220 --> 00:04:03.810
with lots of fat and thin shots, toe and heel or if you're struggling with path

82
00:04:03.810 --> 00:04:04.220
control

83
00:04:04.220 --> 00:04:05.220
on the downswing.

84
00:04:05.220 --> 00:04:09.540
So if you tend to get the path going really shallow or rightward late, kind of

85
00:04:09.540 --> 00:04:10.140
more like

86
00:04:10.140 --> 00:04:14.180
this, you might do better getting a little bit more laid off at the top.

87
00:04:14.180 --> 00:04:20.570
If you tend to get really steep in a cross, you may actually do better having a

88
00:04:20.570 --> 00:04:21.220
little

89
00:04:21.220 --> 00:04:25.060
bit more shallow during the downswing so you could vary the top of the back

90
00:04:25.060 --> 00:04:25.980
swing position

91
00:04:25.980 --> 00:04:28.540
to help make shallowing a little bit easier for you.

92
00:04:28.540 --> 00:04:31.770
But be sure to relate the top of the swing to transition and where you are in

93
00:04:31.770 --> 00:04:33.140
the downswing.

94
00:04:33.140 --> 00:04:37.060
Don't just chase an arbitrary perfect top of the backswing feel.

95
00:04:37.060 --> 00:04:40.300
Okay, so now I'm going to try and demonstrate a few of these.

96
00:04:40.300 --> 00:04:46.000
The easier one for me, if I exaggerate this shallowness or laid off position at

97
00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:46.540
the top

98
00:04:46.540 --> 00:04:52.570
of the swing, then I can just swing a little bit harder with my arms straight

99
00:04:52.570 --> 00:04:53.340
away.

100
00:04:53.340 --> 00:04:57.960
It's not the worst position for me to play from.

101
00:04:57.960 --> 00:05:03.000
For me, the cross the line is a little bit harder because I have a tendency to

102
00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:03.500
get too

103
00:05:03.500 --> 00:05:04.980
shallow late.

104
00:05:04.980 --> 00:05:12.610
So if I get really across the line kind of like that, let me just dial in a few

105
00:05:12.610 --> 00:05:13.180
of those

106
00:05:13.180 --> 00:05:14.180
feels.

107
00:05:14.180 --> 00:05:20.710
So if I get really across the line, like I said, it's harder for me to make

108
00:05:20.710 --> 00:05:21.780
contact from

109
00:05:21.780 --> 00:05:22.780
there.

110
00:05:22.780 --> 00:05:27.540
So if I can wait a little bit longer on this next one, I was a little bit early

111
00:05:27.540 --> 00:05:27.940
.

112
00:05:27.940 --> 00:05:32.060
I could feel myself resisting and pulling a bit too much on that.

113
00:05:32.060 --> 00:05:36.960
So let me get across the line again, there we go.

114
00:05:36.960 --> 00:05:41.760
So you can see if you have the tempo and the timing to wait for it across the

115
00:05:41.760 --> 00:05:42.460
line is not

116
00:05:42.460 --> 00:05:45.100
bad because it can give you a little extra speed.

117
00:05:45.100 --> 00:05:48.730
If you are airing more on, I'm going to pull on it quicker, then you might do

118
00:05:48.730 --> 00:05:49.380
better trying

119
00:05:49.380 --> 00:05:52.740
to get a little bit flatter, but always relate what you're doing at the top of

120
00:05:52.740 --> 00:05:53.580
the swing to

121
00:05:53.580 --> 00:05:54.260
delivery position.

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Tyler Ferrell is the only person in the world named to Golf Digest's list of Best Young Teachers in America AND its list of Best Golf Fitness Professionals in America.

Understanding Across the Line vs. Laid Off in Your Swing

After this video, you'll be able to:

  • Identify the impact of your top-of-swing position on your downswing.
  • Visualize how across the line and laid off positions affect shaft angle.
  • Adjust your swing strategy based on your top position for better consistency.

In this video, you'll learn the differences between being across the line and laid off at the top of your swing. Understanding these positions is crucial for improving your downswing and overall swing mechanics.

Video Transcript
WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.980
This video is discussing across the line or laid off at the top of the swing.

2
00:00:05.980 --> 00:00:11.110
So I had a member question basically asking if being laid off at the top of the

3
00:00:11.110 --> 00:00:11.260
swing

4
00:00:11.260 --> 00:00:12.260
is okay.

5
00:00:12.260 --> 00:00:16.720
And I thought that that would be a good opportunity to just discuss what's

6
00:00:16.720 --> 00:00:17.340
important with the

7
00:00:17.340 --> 00:00:18.540
top of the swing.

8
00:00:18.540 --> 00:00:24.940
Why is it, why would it be bad to be possibly really across the line like this?

9
00:00:24.940 --> 00:00:29.180
Or why would it be bad to be really laid off like that?

10
00:00:29.180 --> 00:00:32.350
So in this video we're gonna relate what's going on at the top of the swing to

11
00:00:32.350 --> 00:00:32.760
what we

12
00:00:32.760 --> 00:00:35.380
need to do in the downswing.

13
00:00:35.380 --> 00:00:42.110
One simple way that I try to work in the top of the swing is by going through

14
00:00:42.110 --> 00:00:43.100
rewind from

15
00:00:43.100 --> 00:00:44.100
delivery.

16
00:00:44.100 --> 00:00:48.830
So basically this is roughly where we're trying to get to in the downswing

17
00:00:48.830 --> 00:00:49.740
where the shaft

18
00:00:49.740 --> 00:00:55.520
is close to parallel to my body instead of, or perpendicular to my spine

19
00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:57.260
instead of parallel

20
00:00:57.260 --> 00:01:01.860
to my spine, or it's basically parallel to the target kind of like this.

21
00:01:01.860 --> 00:01:07.450
Well if I am across the line at the top of the swing, and if I brought myself

22
00:01:07.450 --> 00:01:09.380
back to

23
00:01:09.380 --> 00:01:13.200
basically a setup position with my body, you can see that the shaft is very

24
00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:13.980
vertical.

25
00:01:13.980 --> 00:01:17.740
If I was to go to the top of the swing and get really laid off, and I brought

26
00:01:17.740 --> 00:01:18.260
it back

27
00:01:18.260 --> 00:01:22.100
to where the top of the swing or the setup would be, you can see that it's very

28
00:01:22.100 --> 00:01:23.060
horizontal.

29
00:01:23.060 --> 00:01:28.760
So one way to think about the top of the backswing is more laid off is pre-sh

30
00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:29.740
allowed.

31
00:01:29.740 --> 00:01:34.980
And a more across the line position requires more shallowing.

32
00:01:34.980 --> 00:01:39.580
So if I'm going to be steeping across the line, so if my arms are very vertical

33
00:01:39.580 --> 00:01:40.140
, then

34
00:01:40.140 --> 00:01:45.370
I really have to have the kind of the temperament that I'm gonna have a lot of

35
00:01:45.370 --> 00:01:46.460
weighting and

36
00:01:46.460 --> 00:01:53.490
a lot of patience as the club shallows during this phase here before applying

37
00:01:53.490 --> 00:01:54.500
speed down

38
00:01:54.500 --> 00:01:59.850
at the bottom, where if it's already pre-shallowed, I may be okay going at it a

39
00:01:59.850 --> 00:02:01.180
little bit harder

40
00:02:01.180 --> 00:02:02.340
earlier.

41
00:02:02.340 --> 00:02:07.300
So matching where I am at the top of the swing with the timing of how I'm going

42
00:02:07.300 --> 00:02:07.920
to create

43
00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.980
speed is not a bad way to look at it.

44
00:02:10.980 --> 00:02:17.900
The other way to look at it is if I tend to struggle with more of a steepened

45
00:02:17.900 --> 00:02:19.060
transition

46
00:02:19.060 --> 00:02:23.630
kind of either face control or driver issues, then I may be better working on

47
00:02:23.630 --> 00:02:24.260
trying to

48
00:02:24.260 --> 00:02:27.670
get a little bit pre-shallowed because I'm having a hard time balancing the

49
00:02:27.670 --> 00:02:28.180
amount of

50
00:02:28.180 --> 00:02:30.380
shallows at the top.

51
00:02:30.380 --> 00:02:35.560
Conversely, if I'm more laid off at the top and I may be looking to get a

52
00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:36.700
little bit more

53
00:02:36.700 --> 00:02:43.100
distance, I may be looking to possibly improve some wedge play.

54
00:02:43.100 --> 00:02:46.750
There are other reasons why I might want to get steeper, but what I want you to

55
00:02:46.750 --> 00:02:47.180
start

56
00:02:47.180 --> 00:02:52.060
thinking of is there's no arbitrary just perfect top of the backswing position.

57
00:02:52.060 --> 00:02:55.140
It really relates to what's going on in the downswing.

58
00:02:55.140 --> 00:02:58.500
So if you think backward based on where you are in the downswing and how it

59
00:02:58.500 --> 00:02:59.020
relates to

60
00:02:59.020 --> 00:03:03.500
the top, it'll give you a better idea as far as what to change.

61
00:03:03.500 --> 00:03:09.890
One other quick point is where the club is at the top also depends on how much

62
00:03:09.890 --> 00:03:10.620
my body

63
00:03:10.620 --> 00:03:11.900
has turned.

64
00:03:11.900 --> 00:03:17.940
So if I have the club in this position here and I stop it like a 3/4 look, this

65
00:03:17.940 --> 00:03:18.500
might

66
00:03:18.500 --> 00:03:20.580
appear like it's laid off.

67
00:03:20.580 --> 00:03:25.650
If I kept pivoting inside bending and went to the top of the swing from here,

68
00:03:25.650 --> 00:03:26.500
well there

69
00:03:26.500 --> 00:03:30.300
you might see that it's closer to on plane.

70
00:03:30.300 --> 00:03:34.620
So that's another reason why you might want to not just arbitrarily chase some

71
00:03:34.620 --> 00:03:35.140
perfect

72
00:03:35.140 --> 00:03:40.090
top of the backswing position because of the length of the swing, how you're

73
00:03:40.090 --> 00:03:40.860
creating

74
00:03:40.860 --> 00:03:43.140
speed all play a role.

75
00:03:43.140 --> 00:03:47.710
But if I could simplify it into one classic rule, if it's across the line you

76
00:03:47.710 --> 00:03:48.260
have to

77
00:03:48.260 --> 00:03:53.080
shallow it a lot more, if it's laid off you have to shallow it less and you can

78
00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:53.620
use that

79
00:03:53.620 --> 00:03:57.260
to your advantage if you're trying to control certain contact misses, like if

80
00:03:57.260 --> 00:03:58.220
you're struggling

81
00:03:58.220 --> 00:04:03.810
with lots of fat and thin shots, toe and heel or if you're struggling with path

82
00:04:03.810 --> 00:04:04.220
control

83
00:04:04.220 --> 00:04:05.220
on the downswing.

84
00:04:05.220 --> 00:04:09.540
So if you tend to get the path going really shallow or rightward late, kind of

85
00:04:09.540 --> 00:04:10.140
more like

86
00:04:10.140 --> 00:04:14.180
this, you might do better getting a little bit more laid off at the top.

87
00:04:14.180 --> 00:04:20.570
If you tend to get really steep in a cross, you may actually do better having a

88
00:04:20.570 --> 00:04:21.220
little

89
00:04:21.220 --> 00:04:25.060
bit more shallow during the downswing so you could vary the top of the back

90
00:04:25.060 --> 00:04:25.980
swing position

91
00:04:25.980 --> 00:04:28.540
to help make shallowing a little bit easier for you.

92
00:04:28.540 --> 00:04:31.770
But be sure to relate the top of the swing to transition and where you are in

93
00:04:31.770 --> 00:04:33.140
the downswing.

94
00:04:33.140 --> 00:04:37.060
Don't just chase an arbitrary perfect top of the backswing feel.

95
00:04:37.060 --> 00:04:40.300
Okay, so now I'm going to try and demonstrate a few of these.

96
00:04:40.300 --> 00:04:46.000
The easier one for me, if I exaggerate this shallowness or laid off position at

97
00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:46.540
the top

98
00:04:46.540 --> 00:04:52.570
of the swing, then I can just swing a little bit harder with my arms straight

99
00:04:52.570 --> 00:04:53.340
away.

100
00:04:53.340 --> 00:04:57.960
It's not the worst position for me to play from.

101
00:04:57.960 --> 00:05:03.000
For me, the cross the line is a little bit harder because I have a tendency to

102
00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:03.500
get too

103
00:05:03.500 --> 00:05:04.980
shallow late.

104
00:05:04.980 --> 00:05:12.610
So if I get really across the line kind of like that, let me just dial in a few

105
00:05:12.610 --> 00:05:13.180
of those

106
00:05:13.180 --> 00:05:14.180
feels.

107
00:05:14.180 --> 00:05:20.710
So if I get really across the line, like I said, it's harder for me to make

108
00:05:20.710 --> 00:05:21.780
contact from

109
00:05:21.780 --> 00:05:22.780
there.

110
00:05:22.780 --> 00:05:27.540
So if I can wait a little bit longer on this next one, I was a little bit early

111
00:05:27.540 --> 00:05:27.940
.

112
00:05:27.940 --> 00:05:32.060
I could feel myself resisting and pulling a bit too much on that.

113
00:05:32.060 --> 00:05:36.960
So let me get across the line again, there we go.

114
00:05:36.960 --> 00:05:41.760
So you can see if you have the tempo and the timing to wait for it across the

115
00:05:41.760 --> 00:05:42.460
line is not

116
00:05:42.460 --> 00:05:45.100
bad because it can give you a little extra speed.

117
00:05:45.100 --> 00:05:48.730
If you are airing more on, I'm going to pull on it quicker, then you might do

118
00:05:48.730 --> 00:05:49.380
better trying

119
00:05:49.380 --> 00:05:52.740
to get a little bit flatter, but always relate what you're doing at the top of

120
00:05:52.740 --> 00:05:53.580
the swing to

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