Working on trail elbow extending too fast
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Phu Luong Xuan
3 years, 5 months ago
Dear all the coaches attending this forum,
I have been working on my trail elbow for 2 years since I looked at it and I dont really like the feel of it extending too fast and pushing out from P5.5 to P7. Im not sure if that was the main problem in my swing, but I feel like im pushing more with the hands rathsr than rotating through impact.
Any suggestions? Thanks guys
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Tyler Ferrell
Coach
3 years, 5 months ago
Hi Phu,
Thanks for posting and giving us something to talk about. The trail arm has a strong relationship to the pivot so we know that we'll have to use our core differently but to dig deeper, let's work backward from impact. Also, a face on video could have been helpful
At impact, if you were going to have a more bent right arm, then the right shoulder socket would have to accommodate and be lower (more side bent). The right arm would either have to be more in front of the body or more behind. The right shoulder blade would have to be slightly more retracted. Feeling-wise, you'd have more of a feeling of a crunch, maybe more of a posterior tilt of the pelvis, and the wrists would have more of a motorcycle (you don't have very much in your swing).
If we then back up to p5.5, we'll see that the shaft is on the steep side, the trail arm is a little bit more internally rotated and the trail arm is slightly externally rotated. These are all indicators of more of a steeper arm pull, which usually matches up with an earlier arm straightening.
Then if we look at p6, the chest and pelvis are both slightly under-rotated and the lead wrist is in a similar position to where it was in the takeaway (no motorcycle)
Lastly, if we look at the swing-through impact into the early follow-through, the lead arm has the appearance of pulling (and maybe going into early external rotation, but too hard to see from just the DTL).
So you have a few opportunities to play around with. For sure, we need to get more turtle shell and ab activity down near impact. You could experiment with that combined with some lead arm blocking in some 9-3's. Sometimes that helps shallow the club indirectly. Or you could work on transition pumps to get the body more rotated and the shaft a little flatter. I've had each work well for many different players, so it's more about experimenting to see which clicks best for you.
Keep us posted, or comment if you have any follow-up questions!
Tyler
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Phu Luong Xuan
3 years, 5 months ago
Hi Tyler,
Thank you for your response. The motorcycle, arm shallowing and left tilt are those things that I chose to work on. However, with the left tilt - transition crunch, Im not sure if the video below I rehearse it enough or I should rehearse more of it. And with the trail shoulder, am I protracted it too much during the downswing which made me have to stand up?
The thing is when i practice the arm shallowing drill, my club path may rise to +10 degrees. Should I consider it a problem or should I just increase the lower body steepness movement of the swing, such as squatting and rotating to the target?
Thank you again, and I really appreciate your information.
BTW sorry for not video recording FO view. Will do next time 😂
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Tyler Ferrell
Coach
3 years, 5 months ago
No worries, but I've said before, I think the face on view shows about 80% of the key elements, while DTL shows only a few. I think most of the reason you struggle with the trail arm bend will show up easier in the FO.
It makes sense that your path moves to +10. Your body is overly shallow (less rotation and higher) so if you add shallow elements, it will need to be balanced by steeper elements so the path doesn't change much. The steeper body movements usually revolve around using your core differently (less back, more abs/glutes). Squatting may feel easier, but that's not the core driver to your move, unless it's connected to a stronger vertical pelvic tilt and core crunch during impact.
One of the things for your pattern is trying to decouple the rib cage movement from the arm movement. Currently, the rib cage and the arms are moving in the same direction (toward the golf ball) as opposed to opposite directions (elbow in front, rib cage away). That's part of the wipe training of using the core with the trail arm less behind...but that will show up easier to look at from a face on video :D
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Phu Luong Xuan
3 years, 5 months ago
Finally I have a FO video to work on 😂
Im adding some steep elements to my swing such as rotating left (squat I felt uncomfortable at first since my thigh muscles, glutes and hamstring are a bit weak, which cause me to have a slight Early Extension, but will work on core strength later)
Im sensing that I might have too little side bending and with stiff right shoulder so that is one of the cause for my right-arm straitening characteristics. Am I right or should I focus on something else too?
Thank you Tylwr and have a good one :D
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Tyler Ferrell
Coach
3 years, 4 months ago
Thanks for posting the face on!
Yes, I think you're on the right track with the side bend. Lack of side bend requires more straightening of the trail arm to reach the ball.
If you look at this face on, you'll see the line I drew as a reference. See during your release how your shoulder stays closer to the line as the arm extends, compared to Adam Scott where the arm and the shoulder move through together. That move through together comes from the obliques primarily, and part of the oblique action creates more side bend. It also appears that you are avoiding that left hip a bit and overusing the ankle instead. Something to look out for if you have a harder time getting the obliques to fire.
Tyler