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Improve Your Transition for Better Golf Swings
After this video, you'll be able to:
- Identify common pitfalls in your swing transition and how to avoid them
- Understand the importance of arm movement direction to enhance club speed
- Learn how to create the right amount of lag for improved shot distance
In this live Q&A session, Tyler Ferrell addresses common questions about improving your swing transition, focusing on the timing and direction of your arm movement. Understanding these concepts is crucial for enhancing your overall performance on the course.
Video Transcript
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Okay, so I appreciate everyone joining me for the first of hopefully many of
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these little live Q&A sessions.
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I've got a bunch of questions that came in through email, so I'll address some
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of those.
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But I'll be checking out the chat the whole time, so please, you know, if
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something comes up,
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if I say something you want it clarified or it relates to a question you might
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have, please type it in.
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I've had a, it looks like, as far as a general theme, it looks like the
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majority of the questions are related to transition.
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So we'll kind of make that the theme of today's little session.
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I'm planning for, you know, somewhere around 20 minutes or so, but if questions
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keep coming in, we'll go a little bit longer.
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And like I said, hopefully this is the first of many.
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So I'll jump right in.
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One of the, one of the questions that I see popping up is relating to
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transition of the arms.
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And there were a couple different questions related to whether it's, you know,
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the direction that you're pulling, whether down versus up or the timing.
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There, there seems to be a movement in golf instruction where creating too much
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lag, creating too much lag late in the downswing is being advocated as a bad
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thing.
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So I thought that I'd just kind of discuss that from my perspective.
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Okay. So in a lot of other sports, sequencing and rhythm are largely used as
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ways to coordinate how you get up certain parts of your body to work together.
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Right.
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So in golf, the, the angle of the club, that lag angle has been, I don't want
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to say overdone, but it's been served, it's been used as a reference so golfers
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who tend to have tend to have more of this look of lag tend to hit it further.
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But what happened was we would see the look of lag and golf instructors would
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tell golf students to essentially try and increase or create more lag.
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I have a few videos on the site relating to lag that might help clarify and
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show different perspectives on it.
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But one of the, one of the big points for me to, to address is that when you
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try to increase the angle when you try to pull the club back like so, what
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typically happens is that lead risk is going to go into extension.
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And when that lead risk goes into extension, that's going to have an effect of
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opening the club face. And so what'll happen is golfers who try to hold and
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increase the lag tend to get in a situation where the club face is in an open
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position late in the downswing.
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Well, if the club is in an open position late in the downswing, you're going to
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have to do something pretty dramatic to try to close it.
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What most people end up doing is they stall their body rotation because body
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rotation delays the closing of the club face.
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And then they cast the risk or they kind of straighten the arms or they get in
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a more of a scoop pattern because scooping will close the club face gets that
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to point more.
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So here it's pointing off to the right, there it's pointing more to the left.
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So a scoop while many have talked about a scoop as holding the face open, it
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does actually close the face, it just doesn't do it rotationally.
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So the one of the other questions relating to that.
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Okay, if lag too long can be a problem, then what's the intention? So what are
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players trying to do when they create a look of lag if they're not trying to
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create a look of lag?
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I like to think of it more as proper sequencing is going to help create the
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look of lag and soft enough arms will also help create that look of lag.
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I go back to looking at other sports and if you're teaching someone to throw,
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you're never really going to teach them to try and maximally extend that wrist
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and hold the wrist back as you're going to throw.
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What you would teach is leading with the lower body following with the shoulder
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and then lastly the arm. So sequencing will obviously have a big effect in how
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well you're able to get that look of lag not just actively holding the wrist
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back.
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Holding the wrist back too aggressively will trigger some signals to stop your
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rib cage to help stabilize the arms so that they can apply more force.
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And so that combination usually creates face control issues down to the bottom
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because as I said, if I increase that extension of the wrist, I increase or I
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open up the face compared to the path.
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So then what happens is I get down to the bottom, the club faces open and I
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have to close it in an incredibly fast amount of time and it creates a lot of
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variability.
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The metaphor that I've learned from John Hardesty that I think is brilliant is
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it's like if you were to turn up the sensitivity of your mouse.
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So if you've got your mouse and you make a little movement but the cursor goes
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flying all the way across the screen, you have to be really precise with how
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you're going to move the mouse.
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What we want to do with our golf swing is we want to turn down the sensitivity
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of the mouse.
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We want to turn down the sensitivity of the club face closing or opening but
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basically we want to turn down the sensitivity of our movements to how it
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relates to where the club face is pointing so that we don't have to be quite as
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precise as when that mouse sensitivity is turned way up.
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Because we all know that when you get under the gun, when you get a little bit
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of pressure, you're going to have probably some tougher times keeping the same
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rhythm, keeping the same level of intensity.
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So another question as it relates to this transition, as it relates to the
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transition would be, you see that some instructors, let's say a common problem
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is getting the arms behind you in a stuck position.
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So some instructors advocate getting the arms back in front, so kind of holding
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the body back, saying you've got two overactive legs or your lower body is too
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active and you need to quiet that a bit.
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And then you have other instructors who say, no, you don't want to quiet your
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lower body, what you'd rather do is you want to use the lower body differently.
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This one relates more to how you're creating speed in that transition rather
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than the actual effect of the club face as we discussed in kind of that first
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transition segment.
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So ideally, you want to be using your body as a whole chain, right? You want to
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be using your legs with your core, with your ribcage, with your shoulders, with
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your arms, and if it's not so much that your lower body gets too active, what
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happens is if your lower body really kind of spins out of the shot,
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your ribcage gets disconnected from your pelvis. And so what usually happens is
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then the ribcage gets disconnected and then the arms kind of go on their own.
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So instead of having a link between the lower body, the pelvis, the ribcage,
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and the arms, you have like a broken connection system.
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And so usually those broken connection systems cause contact problems or timing
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problems down at the bottom of the swing.
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So the two solutions are the one camp of basically, okay, if you get your arms
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more in front of your body, that typically requires you to connect your ribcage
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and your pelvis better.
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So you're using your abs, you're using your core in order to get those arms
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more in front. So that helps with the sequencing.
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And oftentimes, you're not really going to slow down your lower body quite as
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much as you think. You're just speeding up your upper body to kind of get it to
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match up a little bit better.
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The other option would be you take someone whose lower body is getting too
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active, oftentimes when it gets too active, it has either too much of a thrust
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component or it has too much of a slide component.
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So you teach instead of actively going that way to actively stay a little bit
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more in the box or keep the pelvis away from the golf ball and to have more of
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a rotation component.
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Because again, most of the muscles that are going to rotate the upper body with
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the lower body are connecting the ribcage to the pelvis.
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So if you're, I'm a big fan, because I know most of your thinking, well, which
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one do I try? I'm a big fan of testing. So I like to try both and see which one
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relates to your specific movement better.
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Right. So if you, if you do the upper body one, let's talk kind of more
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dangerous. So like, why would I not want to do a certain pattern.
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Some golfers, when they try to get the upper body more in front, lose a lot of
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their path control and at like a downswing checkpoint, instead of the club
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being in line with the hands, it gets outside the hands.
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Or they're pulling down by using instead of getting the arms in front by using
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kind of the shoulders, they'll pull it down using the wrist and they'll tend to
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get that lead wrist into a little bit more extension position.
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So trying to get those arms in front could potentially cause some path issues
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or some face issues. As far as the getting more more turning, a lot of that, I
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'm a big fan of matching pieces, so matching your steeps in your shallows.
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And if a slide and an extension so an overactive lower body tend to create
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shallow patterns, then what will happen is sometimes if you take those patterns
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away, the club will get steep, it'll be a pure path problem.
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The club will just get a little bit steeper as it enters the release.
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And so what you have to do is you have to give it a separate, a separate
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shallow or a new movement to balance out the pattern because we took away some
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form of shallow.
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You got to add one back in or else you're going to be steep.
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The most common one, which actually gets to one of the other questions, which
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is, I did a video on shallow position, shallow movements, and there was a
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question about Fred couples, like what movements is he doing.
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So, if you keep your body more in the box and you're really kind of powering it
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with the body, then your arms have to provide some of the shallow where else
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you would get steep.
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And so the two main movements that you'll see on 3D are released on AMM 3D
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systems, you'll see a pronation of the lead wrist, so it'll rotate this way.
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About 10, maybe up to 15 degrees. And the tricky one is you'll see a pronation
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of the trail wrist and an extension of the trail wrist.
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So you'll actually see the trail wrist go like that.
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And I know that if I see that pattern, that's a sign that they're shallowing
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from that trail shoulder.
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But unfortunately, the shoulders are really tricky to measure, so you have to
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really coordinate or you have to interpret the graphs.
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So, when this is going that way, what that usually means is that the shoulder
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was going more like that, and it's that shoulder external rotation and ad
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duction that kind of helps create the force on the club that gets the club to
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drop behind.
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When I see a golfer that I think is too shallow, what usually happens, because
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I'm answering Jason's question that popped up.
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So when I see a golfer that is considered too shallow, what's usually happened
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is that the shallow movements from the body are preventing some of the low
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point control movements that I would like to see during the release.
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So basically, usually a golfer who gets too shallow is going to have either too
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much side bend or too much extension, and both of those are going to prevent
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the ribcage and thoracic rotation through the shot.
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And that's one of the other patterns that I tend to see on 3D, which is the
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upper body moving faster than the arms faster than the pelvis through the shot
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for more consistent golfers,
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where it'll be a little bit slower for golfers who tend to have higher clubface
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variability.
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And it relates to the arc width graph and the 3D flat spot and getting the
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bottom of the swing, you know, shallowly out in front of the in front of impact
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So let me, let me scroll back up and address a couple of these. The long term
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drunken monkeys have a long term issue where my arms collapse in transition and
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both arms bend excessively.
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Do you have any drills training aids which help maintain width during that part
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of the swing?
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So there are, there are a number of golfers, the most prominent example would
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be like a Jason Day, but I've worked with a number of mini tour caliber players
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who get a fair amount of this kind of bend look through transition.
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I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's optimal if consistencies are
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main goal, but it's a big power source. So like guys like Jason Day or the
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players who have worked with hit the ball a long way.
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What can happen is if it does it too much, it's usually accompanied by a little
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bit more of a kind of scoop style release, which for me is the bigger problem
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for that pattern.
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But if you're trying to get the arms to stay a little bit wider, then what you
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have to do is you have to create more of the hand movement from rib cage
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rotation or from using your core.
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So imagine that you're in the gym and you're doing like a horizontal chop, that
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would be creating speed and movement more with my abs, more with my spine
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rotation, and less from my arms pulling.
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Right, my arms pulling is more of a lat or a upper back style pattern of
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creating force in the club.
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So I've had more success with doing, for working on that pattern doing two
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things, really working on getting the earlier shaft rotation, because the
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earlier shaft rotation if you then pull in narrow you tend to hit really bad
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pulls.
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It forces you to shallow and pretty much every shallower also opens the club
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face.
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So by getting that shaft rotation, it forces you to get more of the shallow,
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which then puts your arms in a position where they're not going to be able to
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pull narrowly as powerfully.
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So it kind of weakens their position.
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Now, the problem is some golfers hate that feeling of getting weak, especially
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if the main feeling of power is in the shoulders or the triceps or something
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like that, because it's going to make it feel weaker and golfers, especially
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under pressure hate the feeling of not being able to go hard at it.
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So I find that the easiest way to work on that is through kind of proper off-
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season planning where you're working on good oblique and spine rotation and then
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getting into even some med balls or there's a product I use training wise
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called the tornado ball or the twister ball.
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I use the lighter one, but it's basically a medicine ball on a rope, and that
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can really help with coordinating more of a feeling of pulling on something
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from the core, because if you pull on it with your arms, you hit yourself with
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a medicine ball, and it's not too pleasant.
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So I would kind of, I would start with the looking at the clubface control in
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transition, and I would look on video a lot at how well the spine is rotating.
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And I would also remind myself that Jason Day got the number one in the world
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with that pattern.
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So it doesn't mean that you can't have success with that pattern.
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I would, but if you're going to improve it, you're going to have to rebalance
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how your body creates power. It's not, it's usually not a pathing. It's usually
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more of a this feels really strong.
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Okay, so I had another question that I had another question about kind of
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someone who's got more of a barrel chested right so if you're, if you're larger
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and you don't have quite as much range of motion for making these shallow
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movements.
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What do you do, and, and I'll relate it to the backswing because I see another
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question related to that. You know, it's, there, there are definitely some
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advantages. There's a reason why a lot of the young guns are kind of wiry and
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fit, because ideally you want to act with the club a little bit more like a
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pitcher with some of this kind of delayed timing and larger range of motion.
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But there, there've been some really good golfers who are more barrel chested.
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The, the thing that you need to make sure is that you're in the backswing, you
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're controlling the arms relationship to the chest.
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So what I see with more barrel chested golfers is they kind of really stabilize
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dig into the ground and they create more of the turn with the arms getting
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behind.
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Well, if I get my arm behind in a position, kind of like that, when, when my
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elbow gets behind my shoulder, I'm going to lose a lot of the external range of
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motion.
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So it's going to force me to then pull down, which is going to create a really
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steep alignment on the way back. So I'll do, I'll do drills kind of where I'm
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applying resistance and getting more of the backswing rotation, where the club
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feels like it's staying a little bit more in front of your chest.
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I'll give you the kind of the best opportunity or the, that'll give you some
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slack to then allow a little bit of shallowing on the way down.
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Now you're probably never going to get the arms well in front on the way down,
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just because you got more mass than, you know, skinny guys like me.
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But what will, what will happen is if you keep it in front, you'll have that
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extra range of motion to get the club to shallow mostly from the lead arm.
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So mostly from letting that left arm relax. I did a video on the site on, you
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know, some of the, I want to say, larger golfers and you'll tend to see a
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pattern where the, the right hand will come off the club at different points in
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the swing.
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Most of the larger golfers who got to a really high level seem to control it
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more with the left hand and less with the right hand or the trail hand for a
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right hand golfer.
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Because that restriction, you know, having that extra mass, having that
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restriction in the shoulder would cause a really steep movement of the arms or
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of the club, unless you did it mostly with that lead arm.
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Doing is especially some of the lead arm release drills and kind of getting
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comfortable with controlling it more with the left arm.
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I've found with some of my Husker golfers that that really tends to help, tends
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to help clean things up.
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But if it, if it's more of the backswing issue, I would look at the spine
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movements more so than the arm movements and, and kind of start from there.
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I had a question about my thoughts on the orange whip as it relates to training
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transition, which I think is a good, good question.
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I do, I like the orange whip as far as kind of the, I call it a path trainer
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because what usually happens is things like the orange whip or things like the
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speed sticks, things where you're focusing on getting a lot of speed.
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Usually creates a better path.
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Now the problem is with those objects, you don't have to worry about the club
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face.
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The other thing you don't have to worry about is low point control.
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So what I've seen is the orange whip can create face control issues where the
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club is coming in kind of heel open or club face open.
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And you, you tend to, I've seen it cause shanks, you can get into just kind of
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like flaring it off to the right.
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Or the one that I think is worse is it causes low point control because it gets
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you using your body inside bending.
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And if you still have a bit of a cast pattern for squaring the club face and
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you get into a better body position, which the orange whip tends to train, then
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if you don't make any adjustment to your arms, the bottom of the swing is going
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to be more back behind the golf ball here.
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So I like the orange whip for creating speed, but in the short term I've seen
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it create some low point issues.
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So I wouldn't try it, you know, I wouldn't break it out and test it the week
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before an important event unless you've already practiced with a bunch.
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See a couple. Okay, so would you say that another way from from Jason, would
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you say that another way of looking at shallowing the club that is either
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behind the hands or even with the hands throughout the downswing.
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You can correct me if I'm wrong about your when you say even with the hands,
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but, but yes so shallowing for me is the relationship of the club shaft
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compared to the body horizontally, or it's the amount of width.
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So that's where some guys shallow it more by getting the club far away from you
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. And then it's like a circle that's with a wider radius like it has less change
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down to the bottom.
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Others would be getting it more behind the hands as you're describing, which
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then it's basically like like flattening the lie angle so now instead of
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slamming into the ground it kind of skims the ground that way.
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Both of those tend to shallow the club. The, when you get the club more behind,
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it allows you to use body rotation to then bring it back out in front and that
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body rotation typically creates more speed.
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So, for the at the very least, even if it doesn't create more speed, it allows
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for the arm extension to happen later, which tends to slow down the club face
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closure, which tends to produce a little bit more repeatability when you get
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good at that pattern.
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So, a good, you know, there are a couple good checkpoints, you know, when the,
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when the shaft is getting in line with the right form or at shaft parallel if
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the hand, if the club is still behind the hands as providing that the chest is
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facing roughly around the golf ball.
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Then that would indicate that you have more of a shallow arm movement, so those
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are two good kind of video checkpoints you can use.
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I have a question from a Rasu, classic swings appear to have more leg drive and
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access tilt at impact.
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Is it equipment related? Do you have preference for young golfers to model
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after classic versus modern swings?
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There's, you know, I definitely think that the equipment has a large role in
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why we see swings the way that they are now.
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And there's enough cases of golfers who've grabbed old equipment, right? I know
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that they did this at the, the BMW when it was in Denver.
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And I remember Rory doing it at another event, but grabbing old equipment, so
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the old golf ball and the old shafts and trying to make swings and not being
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able to hit it very well at all.
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When you had kind of the high spinning golf ball, you really had to launch it
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low. And so getting that leg drive was one way to help get more shaft lean.
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And I don't even know if it's more shaft lean per se, because I haven't seen
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the, I don't know if they've done any research or any, even video analysis of
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looking at how much more the handle would be ahead.
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You see the images and if you played volatas, you saw the ball launch really
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low and then spin up. And if you launched it high, it's still spun up. It wasn
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't until really the Pro V that you could launch it high and get the spin rate
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really low.
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So, I think that there are some, I think that there are some possible benefits
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for the, like looking at some of the older swings for more of the fluid aspect,
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you know, kind of more like a softer Phil Mickelson style of creating speed.
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But there's a reason why most of the top guys right now have more of the modern
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swing look. I think performance wise, it's better.
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I think that, let's see, I think you were asking for, yeah, for young golfers,
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the thing that really is tougher, young golfers is that they have so many
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tournaments and so much demand as far as playing well at all times throughout
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the year that they almost get locked into their swing too soon.
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Because most of them, like it's really hard to have a solid sequencing until
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your abs really develop. And most kids develop the legs grow first so they get
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really powerful with their legs and the arms tend to grow second and then the
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spine tends to grow third.
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And so during that phase where the spine is where the legs are more powerful
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and the spine is still weak, they tend to get into typically some of that kind
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of overuse of the lower body.
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And then when the upper body catches up and comes back in, it can be
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challenging for some to kind of go through the growing pains of learning to reb
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alance and get the core a little bit more involved.
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So I think that's a bigger, bigger issue as it relates to kids, because they're
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not necessarily using the older equipment right they're not really going to be.
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They're not going to have the same incentives to have that low launch, because
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they won't have the high spin with the current golf ball.
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Okay, what's the importance of pelvic tilt spine alignment from Rob.
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What's the importance of pelvic tilt spine alignment and address is there a
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range you like to see can hit pinging in the downswing be more advantageous
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than doing it more at address.
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Good, good question, so this is where I'm probably going to do some stuff
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related to this but a lot of those numbers that you'll see on 3D.
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Most of you know that I've got a pretty strong 3D background I've been using AM
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M systems since 2004.
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I think that 3D is great for getting the big global pictures of what your
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pattern is, so are you more of a lunger than a caster or you more of a caster
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than a lunger because on video it looks like you do both.
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3D is great for answering those questions for getting into some of the specific
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details like what you're asking about with pelvic alignment spine alignment.
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It's 3D is not detailed enough, because if you think about it like the pelvis
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sensor is really addressing the hip, the SI joints, the lower back.
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So there's probably like 10, 15 joints that are all related to the pelvic
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sensor, right.
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So you can't just say that, hey, this golfer is 5 degrees open with the upper
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body, 0 degrees with his pelvis.
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That's the right alignment, because there's lots of different combinations that
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could create that specific alignment.
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So I like to go off of, I actually will, if I have a golfer who is highly
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focused on their address and trying to really narrow in where they feel the
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most balanced or where they should be aligned.
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And I'm just, I'm seeing some weird stuff going on with the spine tilt or the
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legs. I'll usually do some of my tests to look in and see what's happening at
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the pelvis, what's happening at the SI joint.
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Because it's very common for golfers to have slightly off or having some tors
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ion in the pelvis.
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And then what you'll see is they'll use their legs and their feet to get that
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pelvis back in normal position.
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So I'm not a huge fan of finding like an absolute best spine alignment as like
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a global, you know, everybody needs to be at 20 degrees, but you can, you can
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figure out like your long term goal is to keep your spine in relatively neutral
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position.
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So that you can create, create speed safely, and create speed throughout the
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whole spine or the whole unit of legs, pelvis, hips, ribcage, shoulders, arms.
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If you get too much torsion in one area, you'll create kind of a weak point
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where you typically will either overuse that area or you'll completely avoid
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that area.
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So those are the problems that I'd see more for spine alignment. So I could
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give you a rough range on 3D, but I think that, you know, if you're working
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with good players, you need to get past that.
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The rough range isn't as good as what I think the best guys are doing.
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But can hip hinging in the downswing be more advantageous than doing it at
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setup. Yeah, I mean, whether it's a pre stretch or a stretch shorten or kind of
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a, you know, a getting the.
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We don't know for sure if it's stretch shortened or if it's just by pre loading
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the muscle, it can then apply more force.
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It's probably more the latter than a true stretch shortened, but if you're
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stretching something during the downswing or during transition, then the muscle
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will be able to activate stronger than if you stretched it at the start and
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just started from there.
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The example would be like, if you do a running jump versus a standing jump. So
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in a standing jump, it's going to be basically, you know, all muscle activity
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that's going to create some elevation.
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With the running jump, when you run and you plant your foot, your your quad is
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going to decelerate your momentum going forward. And it's by activating that
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quad in decelerating that then when it gets into lifting up.
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It's going at a higher level because it got to activate a whole lot earlier
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without causing you to lose that position.
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So there's probably like you'll see a lot with with kids and young people who
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are really create or really creating a lot of speed from the lower body that
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they'll hit pinch in the downswing.
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My goal would be the danger with that is that you may have some sequence issues
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and path issues that could relate to the bottom of the swing.
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So you just want to monitor that and make sure that they're not doing it so
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much that it messes up their, their upper body and their arm motions down
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through the release.
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Alright, another question. If I pull my hands towards the ball, some say that's
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bad. If I pull my hands to be desired impact location, this would seem to be
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consistent with the wipe concept.
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Yeah, so the wipe concept for me is my term of basically getting your arms back
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in front of you and doing it mostly from the shoulders right so many golfers
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have talked about getting the club in front of you.
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But obviously if you get the club in front of you, you can't have your body
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rotated or side bent at impact.
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So it's more about getting the arms and the hands out in front of your body.
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And if you find that I've had many golfers where when they feel like they swing
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more with their arms, they get the better alignments like they get the arms out
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in front of the golf ball.
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Especially if they tend to have more of an early extension or thrust pattern.
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So, I'm enjoying all the questions, but I've realized that, you know, my goal
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is about 20, 30 minutes and we're getting towards the, the end of this.
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I'm planning to do more of these so I really appreciate all your comments.
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If you, if I discuss something and you want to know more, head over to golf
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the videos that will hopefully help answer your questions.
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, all that stuff helps us gain momentum.
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This was a lot of fun. Yeah, someone asked about, can I hold my book up? I've
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got a few of the early copies here, but I just wrote a kind of pretty massive
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book. It's about 350 pages going through lots of the different kind of ways
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that all the pieces fit together.
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So kind of taking science, taking some practical coaching and really tying it
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all together into hopefully a way that you can figure out what you need to do
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with your swing.
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So I always, I always harp on my students that you got to figure out what you
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're trying to do. So is it, are you working on your face control? Are you
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working on solid contact and low point control? Are you working on creating
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speed better?
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I think that when you figure out what main skill you're working on, it opens up
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the road and it kind of makes it easier to then know if a tip that you heard or
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a swing thought makes sense, or if it's just going to be one of those kind of
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things that's only going to work for a day.
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It's going to take long term growth and long term improvement. And the goal of
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this book was to really help you understand the pieces so that you can have a
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real long term plan.
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I see one last question, if you have any other questions, please send them,
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send them to support@golfsmartacademy.com and I'll get back to them, hopefully
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in a timely manner.
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If you want more of a rotary movement through the ball, or a stall like Phil,
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seems like I hit more solid shots with a stall, which probably means I'm over
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the top when rotating through the motorcycle.
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What it probably means is that you don't have an, I advocate more of the rotary
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style. Phil obviously has some face control issues.
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But the, the, the more upper body on top arm, arm dominant swing can work
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really well for the short irons, which is more of kind of a circular shape less
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of the flat bottom.
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As far as what's likely happening if you hit better with a stall is that, yes,
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you would probably need a little bit more motorcycle and you'd probably need
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more of the Jackson five or a little bit more of the access till.
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Because what's probably happening is you're getting early movement from the
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shoulders and then by stalling, you haven't kind of gotten as much outside in,
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or steep, and then when you straighten your arms because of the stall, you're
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able to coordinate the face and control the low point.
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My only concern would be if you had face control issues with the driver, or
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potentially like three would if those are your main struggles, then I would
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probably make a plan to work on the kind of the timing of that through impact.
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So all right, thank you all for, for joining me, and if you have any other
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questions, you can, you can.
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Okay, so I appreciate everyone joining me for the first of hopefully many of
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these little live Q&A sessions.
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I've got a bunch of questions that came in through email, so I'll address some
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But I'll be checking out the chat the whole time, so please, you know, if
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if I say something you want it clarified or it relates to a question you might
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I've had a, it looks like, as far as a general theme, it looks like the
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majority of the questions are related to transition.
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I'm planning for, you know, somewhere around 20 minutes or so, but if questions
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keep coming in, we'll go a little bit longer.
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So I'll jump right in.
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One of the, one of the questions that I see popping up is relating to
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transition of the arms.
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And there were a couple different questions related to whether it's, you know,
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the direction that you're pulling, whether down versus up or the timing.
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There, there seems to be a movement in golf instruction where creating too much
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lag, creating too much lag late in the downswing is being advocated as a bad
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thing.
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So I thought that I'd just kind of discuss that from my perspective.
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Okay. So in a lot of other sports, sequencing and rhythm are largely used as
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ways to coordinate how you get up certain parts of your body to work together.
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Right.
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So in golf, the, the angle of the club, that lag angle has been, I don't want
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to say overdone, but it's been served, it's been used as a reference so golfers
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who tend to have tend to have more of this look of lag tend to hit it further.
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But what happened was we would see the look of lag and golf instructors would
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tell golf students to essentially try and increase or create more lag.
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I have a few videos on the site relating to lag that might help clarify and
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show different perspectives on it.
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But one of the, one of the big points for me to, to address is that when you
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try to increase the angle when you try to pull the club back like so, what
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typically happens is that lead risk is going to go into extension.
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And when that lead risk goes into extension, that's going to have an effect of
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opening the club face. And so what'll happen is golfers who try to hold and
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increase the lag tend to get in a situation where the club face is in an open
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position late in the downswing.
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Well, if the club is in an open position late in the downswing, you're going to
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have to do something pretty dramatic to try to close it.
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What most people end up doing is they stall their body rotation because body
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rotation delays the closing of the club face.
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And then they cast the risk or they kind of straighten the arms or they get in
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a more of a scoop pattern because scooping will close the club face gets that
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to point more.
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So here it's pointing off to the right, there it's pointing more to the left.
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So a scoop while many have talked about a scoop as holding the face open, it
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does actually close the face, it just doesn't do it rotationally.
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So the one of the other questions relating to that.
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Okay, if lag too long can be a problem, then what's the intention? So what are
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players trying to do when they create a look of lag if they're not trying to
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create a look of lag?
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I like to think of it more as proper sequencing is going to help create the
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look of lag and soft enough arms will also help create that look of lag.
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I go back to looking at other sports and if you're teaching someone to throw,
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you're never really going to teach them to try and maximally extend that wrist
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and hold the wrist back as you're going to throw.
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What you would teach is leading with the lower body following with the shoulder
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and then lastly the arm. So sequencing will obviously have a big effect in how
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well you're able to get that look of lag not just actively holding the wrist
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back.
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Holding the wrist back too aggressively will trigger some signals to stop your
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rib cage to help stabilize the arms so that they can apply more force.
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because as I said, if I increase that extension of the wrist, I increase or I
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open up the face compared to the path.
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So then what happens is I get down to the bottom, the club faces open and I
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have to close it in an incredibly fast amount of time and it creates a lot of
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variability.
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The metaphor that I've learned from John Hardesty that I think is brilliant is
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it's like if you were to turn up the sensitivity of your mouse.
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So if you've got your mouse and you make a little movement but the cursor goes
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flying all the way across the screen, you have to be really precise with how
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you're going to move the mouse.
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What we want to do with our golf swing is we want to turn down the sensitivity
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of the mouse.
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We want to turn down the sensitivity of the club face closing or opening but
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basically we want to turn down the sensitivity of our movements to how it
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relates to where the club face is pointing so that we don't have to be quite as
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precise as when that mouse sensitivity is turned way up.
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Because we all know that when you get under the gun, when you get a little bit
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of pressure, you're going to have probably some tougher times keeping the same
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rhythm, keeping the same level of intensity.
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So another question as it relates to this transition, as it relates to the
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transition would be, you see that some instructors, let's say a common problem
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is getting the arms behind you in a stuck position.
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the body back, saying you've got two overactive legs or your lower body is too
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active and you need to quiet that a bit.
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lower body, what you'd rather do is you want to use the lower body differently.
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This one relates more to how you're creating speed in that transition rather
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than the actual effect of the club face as we discussed in kind of that first
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transition segment.
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So ideally, you want to be using your body as a whole chain, right? You want to
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be using your legs with your core, with your ribcage, with your shoulders, with
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your arms, and if it's not so much that your lower body gets too active, what
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happens is if your lower body really kind of spins out of the shot,
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your ribcage gets disconnected from your pelvis. And so what usually happens is
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then the ribcage gets disconnected and then the arms kind of go on their own.
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So instead of having a link between the lower body, the pelvis, the ribcage,
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and the arms, you have like a broken connection system.
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And so usually those broken connection systems cause contact problems or timing
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problems down at the bottom of the swing.
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So the two solutions are the one camp of basically, okay, if you get your arms
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more in front of your body, that typically requires you to connect your ribcage
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and your pelvis better.
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So you're using your abs, you're using your core in order to get those arms
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more in front. So that helps with the sequencing.
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And oftentimes, you're not really going to slow down your lower body quite as
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much as you think. You're just speeding up your upper body to kind of get it to
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match up a little bit better.
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The other option would be you take someone whose lower body is getting too
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active, oftentimes when it gets too active, it has either too much of a thrust
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component or it has too much of a slide component.
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So you teach instead of actively going that way to actively stay a little bit
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more in the box or keep the pelvis away from the golf ball and to have more of
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a rotation component.
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Because again, most of the muscles that are going to rotate the upper body with
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the lower body are connecting the ribcage to the pelvis.
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So if you're, I'm a big fan, because I know most of your thinking, well, which
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one do I try? I'm a big fan of testing. So I like to try both and see which one
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relates to your specific movement better.
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Right. So if you, if you do the upper body one, let's talk kind of more
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dangerous. So like, why would I not want to do a certain pattern.
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Some golfers, when they try to get the upper body more in front, lose a lot of
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their path control and at like a downswing checkpoint, instead of the club
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being in line with the hands, it gets outside the hands.
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Or they're pulling down by using instead of getting the arms in front by using
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kind of the shoulders, they'll pull it down using the wrist and they'll tend to
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get that lead wrist into a little bit more extension position.
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So trying to get those arms in front could potentially cause some path issues
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or some face issues. As far as the getting more more turning, a lot of that, I
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'm a big fan of matching pieces, so matching your steeps in your shallows.
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And if a slide and an extension so an overactive lower body tend to create
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shallow patterns, then what will happen is sometimes if you take those patterns
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away, the club will get steep, it'll be a pure path problem.
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The club will just get a little bit steeper as it enters the release.
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And so what you have to do is you have to give it a separate, a separate
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shallow or a new movement to balance out the pattern because we took away some
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form of shallow.
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You got to add one back in or else you're going to be steep.
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The most common one, which actually gets to one of the other questions, which
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is, I did a video on shallow position, shallow movements, and there was a
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question about Fred couples, like what movements is he doing.
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So, if you keep your body more in the box and you're really kind of powering it
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with the body, then your arms have to provide some of the shallow where else
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you would get steep.
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And so the two main movements that you'll see on 3D are released on AMM 3D
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systems, you'll see a pronation of the lead wrist, so it'll rotate this way.
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About 10, maybe up to 15 degrees. And the tricky one is you'll see a pronation
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of the trail wrist and an extension of the trail wrist.
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So you'll actually see the trail wrist go like that.
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And I know that if I see that pattern, that's a sign that they're shallowing
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from that trail shoulder.
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But unfortunately, the shoulders are really tricky to measure, so you have to
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really coordinate or you have to interpret the graphs.
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So, when this is going that way, what that usually means is that the shoulder
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was going more like that, and it's that shoulder external rotation and ad
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duction that kind of helps create the force on the club that gets the club to
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drop behind.
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When I see a golfer that I think is too shallow, what usually happens, because
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I'm answering Jason's question that popped up.
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So when I see a golfer that is considered too shallow, what's usually happened
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is that the shallow movements from the body are preventing some of the low
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point control movements that I would like to see during the release.
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So basically, usually a golfer who gets too shallow is going to have either too
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much side bend or too much extension, and both of those are going to prevent
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the ribcage and thoracic rotation through the shot.
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And that's one of the other patterns that I tend to see on 3D, which is the
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upper body moving faster than the arms faster than the pelvis through the shot
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for more consistent golfers,
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where it'll be a little bit slower for golfers who tend to have higher clubface
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variability.
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And it relates to the arc width graph and the 3D flat spot and getting the
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bottom of the swing, you know, shallowly out in front of the in front of impact
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So let me, let me scroll back up and address a couple of these. The long term
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drunken monkeys have a long term issue where my arms collapse in transition and
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both arms bend excessively.
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Do you have any drills training aids which help maintain width during that part
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of the swing?
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So there are, there are a number of golfers, the most prominent example would
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be like a Jason Day, but I've worked with a number of mini tour caliber players
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who get a fair amount of this kind of bend look through transition.
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I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's optimal if consistencies are
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main goal, but it's a big power source. So like guys like Jason Day or the
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players who have worked with hit the ball a long way.
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What can happen is if it does it too much, it's usually accompanied by a little
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bit more of a kind of scoop style release, which for me is the bigger problem
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for that pattern.
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But if you're trying to get the arms to stay a little bit wider, then what you
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have to do is you have to create more of the hand movement from rib cage
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rotation or from using your core.
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So imagine that you're in the gym and you're doing like a horizontal chop, that
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would be creating speed and movement more with my abs, more with my spine
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rotation, and less from my arms pulling.
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Right, my arms pulling is more of a lat or a upper back style pattern of
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creating force in the club.
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So I've had more success with doing, for working on that pattern doing two
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things, really working on getting the earlier shaft rotation, because the
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earlier shaft rotation if you then pull in narrow you tend to hit really bad
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pulls.
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It forces you to shallow and pretty much every shallower also opens the club
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face.
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So by getting that shaft rotation, it forces you to get more of the shallow,
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which then puts your arms in a position where they're not going to be able to
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pull narrowly as powerfully.
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So it kind of weakens their position.
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Now, the problem is some golfers hate that feeling of getting weak, especially
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if the main feeling of power is in the shoulders or the triceps or something
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like that, because it's going to make it feel weaker and golfers, especially
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under pressure hate the feeling of not being able to go hard at it.
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So I find that the easiest way to work on that is through kind of proper off-
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season planning where you're working on good oblique and spine rotation and then
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getting into even some med balls or there's a product I use training wise
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called the tornado ball or the twister ball.
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I use the lighter one, but it's basically a medicine ball on a rope, and that
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can really help with coordinating more of a feeling of pulling on something
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from the core, because if you pull on it with your arms, you hit yourself with
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a medicine ball, and it's not too pleasant.
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So I would kind of, I would start with the looking at the clubface control in
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transition, and I would look on video a lot at how well the spine is rotating.
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And I would also remind myself that Jason Day got the number one in the world
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with that pattern.
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So it doesn't mean that you can't have success with that pattern.
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I would, but if you're going to improve it, you're going to have to rebalance
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how your body creates power. It's not, it's usually not a pathing. It's usually
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more of a this feels really strong.
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Okay, so I had another question that I had another question about kind of
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someone who's got more of a barrel chested right so if you're, if you're larger
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and you don't have quite as much range of motion for making these shallow
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movements.
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What do you do, and, and I'll relate it to the backswing because I see another
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question related to that. You know, it's, there, there are definitely some
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advantages. There's a reason why a lot of the young guns are kind of wiry and
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fit, because ideally you want to act with the club a little bit more like a
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pitcher with some of this kind of delayed timing and larger range of motion.
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But there, there've been some really good golfers who are more barrel chested.
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The, the thing that you need to make sure is that you're in the backswing, you
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're controlling the arms relationship to the chest.
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So what I see with more barrel chested golfers is they kind of really stabilize
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dig into the ground and they create more of the turn with the arms getting
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behind.
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Well, if I get my arm behind in a position, kind of like that, when, when my
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elbow gets behind my shoulder, I'm going to lose a lot of the external range of
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motion.
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So it's going to force me to then pull down, which is going to create a really
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steep alignment on the way back. So I'll do, I'll do drills kind of where I'm
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applying resistance and getting more of the backswing rotation, where the club
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feels like it's staying a little bit more in front of your chest.
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I'll give you the kind of the best opportunity or the, that'll give you some
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slack to then allow a little bit of shallowing on the way down.
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Now you're probably never going to get the arms well in front on the way down,
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just because you got more mass than, you know, skinny guys like me.
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But what will, what will happen is if you keep it in front, you'll have that
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extra range of motion to get the club to shallow mostly from the lead arm.
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So mostly from letting that left arm relax. I did a video on the site on, you
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know, some of the, I want to say, larger golfers and you'll tend to see a
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pattern where the, the right hand will come off the club at different points in
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the swing.
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Most of the larger golfers who got to a really high level seem to control it
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more with the left hand and less with the right hand or the trail hand for a
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right hand golfer.
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Because that restriction, you know, having that extra mass, having that
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restriction in the shoulder would cause a really steep movement of the arms or
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of the club, unless you did it mostly with that lead arm.
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Doing is especially some of the lead arm release drills and kind of getting
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comfortable with controlling it more with the left arm.
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I've found with some of my Husker golfers that that really tends to help, tends
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to help clean things up.
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But if it, if it's more of the backswing issue, I would look at the spine
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movements more so than the arm movements and, and kind of start from there.
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I had a question about my thoughts on the orange whip as it relates to training
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transition, which I think is a good, good question.
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I do, I like the orange whip as far as kind of the, I call it a path trainer
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because what usually happens is things like the orange whip or things like the
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speed sticks, things where you're focusing on getting a lot of speed.
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Usually creates a better path.
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Now the problem is with those objects, you don't have to worry about the club
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face.
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The other thing you don't have to worry about is low point control.
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So what I've seen is the orange whip can create face control issues where the
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club is coming in kind of heel open or club face open.
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And you, you tend to, I've seen it cause shanks, you can get into just kind of
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like flaring it off to the right.
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Or the one that I think is worse is it causes low point control because it gets
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you using your body inside bending.
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And if you still have a bit of a cast pattern for squaring the club face and
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you get into a better body position, which the orange whip tends to train, then
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if you don't make any adjustment to your arms, the bottom of the swing is going
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to be more back behind the golf ball here.
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So I like the orange whip for creating speed, but in the short term I've seen
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it create some low point issues.
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So I wouldn't try it, you know, I wouldn't break it out and test it the week
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before an important event unless you've already practiced with a bunch.
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See a couple. Okay, so would you say that another way from from Jason, would
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you say that another way of looking at shallowing the club that is either
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behind the hands or even with the hands throughout the downswing.
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You can correct me if I'm wrong about your when you say even with the hands,
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but, but yes so shallowing for me is the relationship of the club shaft
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compared to the body horizontally, or it's the amount of width.
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So that's where some guys shallow it more by getting the club far away from you
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. And then it's like a circle that's with a wider radius like it has less change
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down to the bottom.
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Others would be getting it more behind the hands as you're describing, which
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then it's basically like like flattening the lie angle so now instead of
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slamming into the ground it kind of skims the ground that way.
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Both of those tend to shallow the club. The, when you get the club more behind,
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it allows you to use body rotation to then bring it back out in front and that
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body rotation typically creates more speed.
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So, for the at the very least, even if it doesn't create more speed, it allows
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for the arm extension to happen later, which tends to slow down the club face
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closure, which tends to produce a little bit more repeatability when you get
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good at that pattern.
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So, a good, you know, there are a couple good checkpoints, you know, when the,
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when the shaft is getting in line with the right form or at shaft parallel if
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the hand, if the club is still behind the hands as providing that the chest is
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facing roughly around the golf ball.
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Then that would indicate that you have more of a shallow arm movement, so those
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are two good kind of video checkpoints you can use.
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I have a question from a Rasu, classic swings appear to have more leg drive and
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access tilt at impact.
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Is it equipment related? Do you have preference for young golfers to model
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after classic versus modern swings?
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There's, you know, I definitely think that the equipment has a large role in
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why we see swings the way that they are now.
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And there's enough cases of golfers who've grabbed old equipment, right? I know
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that they did this at the, the BMW when it was in Denver.
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And I remember Rory doing it at another event, but grabbing old equipment, so
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the old golf ball and the old shafts and trying to make swings and not being
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able to hit it very well at all.
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When you had kind of the high spinning golf ball, you really had to launch it
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low. And so getting that leg drive was one way to help get more shaft lean.
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And I don't even know if it's more shaft lean per se, because I haven't seen
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the, I don't know if they've done any research or any, even video analysis of
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looking at how much more the handle would be ahead.
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You see the images and if you played volatas, you saw the ball launch really
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low and then spin up. And if you launched it high, it's still spun up. It wasn
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't until really the Pro V that you could launch it high and get the spin rate
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really low.
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So, I think that there are some, I think that there are some possible benefits
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for the, like looking at some of the older swings for more of the fluid aspect,
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you know, kind of more like a softer Phil Mickelson style of creating speed.
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But there's a reason why most of the top guys right now have more of the modern
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swing look. I think performance wise, it's better.
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I think that, let's see, I think you were asking for, yeah, for young golfers,
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the thing that really is tougher, young golfers is that they have so many
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tournaments and so much demand as far as playing well at all times throughout
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the year that they almost get locked into their swing too soon.
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Because most of them, like it's really hard to have a solid sequencing until
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your abs really develop. And most kids develop the legs grow first so they get
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really powerful with their legs and the arms tend to grow second and then the
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spine tends to grow third.
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And so during that phase where the spine is where the legs are more powerful
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and the spine is still weak, they tend to get into typically some of that kind
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of overuse of the lower body.
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And then when the upper body catches up and comes back in, it can be
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challenging for some to kind of go through the growing pains of learning to reb
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alance and get the core a little bit more involved.
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So I think that's a bigger, bigger issue as it relates to kids, because they're
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not necessarily using the older equipment right they're not really going to be.
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They're not going to have the same incentives to have that low launch, because
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they won't have the high spin with the current golf ball.
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Okay, what's the importance of pelvic tilt spine alignment from Rob.
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What's the importance of pelvic tilt spine alignment and address is there a
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range you like to see can hit pinging in the downswing be more advantageous
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than doing it more at address.
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Good, good question, so this is where I'm probably going to do some stuff
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related to this but a lot of those numbers that you'll see on 3D.
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Most of you know that I've got a pretty strong 3D background I've been using AM
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M systems since 2004.
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I think that 3D is great for getting the big global pictures of what your
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pattern is, so are you more of a lunger than a caster or you more of a caster
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than a lunger because on video it looks like you do both.
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3D is great for answering those questions for getting into some of the specific
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details like what you're asking about with pelvic alignment spine alignment.
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It's 3D is not detailed enough, because if you think about it like the pelvis
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sensor is really addressing the hip, the SI joints, the lower back.
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So there's probably like 10, 15 joints that are all related to the pelvic
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sensor, right.
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So you can't just say that, hey, this golfer is 5 degrees open with the upper
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body, 0 degrees with his pelvis.
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That's the right alignment, because there's lots of different combinations that
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could create that specific alignment.
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So I like to go off of, I actually will, if I have a golfer who is highly
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focused on their address and trying to really narrow in where they feel the
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most balanced or where they should be aligned.
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And I'm just, I'm seeing some weird stuff going on with the spine tilt or the
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legs. I'll usually do some of my tests to look in and see what's happening at
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the pelvis, what's happening at the SI joint.
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Because it's very common for golfers to have slightly off or having some tors
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ion in the pelvis.
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And then what you'll see is they'll use their legs and their feet to get that
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pelvis back in normal position.
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So I'm not a huge fan of finding like an absolute best spine alignment as like
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a global, you know, everybody needs to be at 20 degrees, but you can, you can
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figure out like your long term goal is to keep your spine in relatively neutral
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position.
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So that you can create, create speed safely, and create speed throughout the
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whole spine or the whole unit of legs, pelvis, hips, ribcage, shoulders, arms.
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If you get too much torsion in one area, you'll create kind of a weak point
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where you typically will either overuse that area or you'll completely avoid
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that area.
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So those are the problems that I'd see more for spine alignment. So I could
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give you a rough range on 3D, but I think that, you know, if you're working
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with good players, you need to get past that.
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The rough range isn't as good as what I think the best guys are doing.
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But can hip hinging in the downswing be more advantageous than doing it at
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setup. Yeah, I mean, whether it's a pre stretch or a stretch shorten or kind of
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a, you know, a getting the.
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We don't know for sure if it's stretch shortened or if it's just by pre loading
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the muscle, it can then apply more force.
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It's probably more the latter than a true stretch shortened, but if you're
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stretching something during the downswing or during transition, then the muscle
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will be able to activate stronger than if you stretched it at the start and
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just started from there.
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The example would be like, if you do a running jump versus a standing jump. So
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in a standing jump, it's going to be basically, you know, all muscle activity
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that's going to create some elevation.
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With the running jump, when you run and you plant your foot, your your quad is
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going to decelerate your momentum going forward. And it's by activating that
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quad in decelerating that then when it gets into lifting up.
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It's going at a higher level because it got to activate a whole lot earlier
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without causing you to lose that position.
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So there's probably like you'll see a lot with with kids and young people who
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are really create or really creating a lot of speed from the lower body that
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they'll hit pinch in the downswing.
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My goal would be the danger with that is that you may have some sequence issues
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and path issues that could relate to the bottom of the swing.
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So you just want to monitor that and make sure that they're not doing it so
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much that it messes up their, their upper body and their arm motions down
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through the release.
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Alright, another question. If I pull my hands towards the ball, some say that's
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bad. If I pull my hands to be desired impact location, this would seem to be
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consistent with the wipe concept.
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Yeah, so the wipe concept for me is my term of basically getting your arms back
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in front of you and doing it mostly from the shoulders right so many golfers
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have talked about getting the club in front of you.
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But obviously if you get the club in front of you, you can't have your body
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rotated or side bent at impact.
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So it's more about getting the arms and the hands out in front of your body.
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And if you find that I've had many golfers where when they feel like they swing
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more with their arms, they get the better alignments like they get the arms out
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in front of the golf ball.
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Especially if they tend to have more of an early extension or thrust pattern.
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So, I'm enjoying all the questions, but I've realized that, you know, my goal
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is about 20, 30 minutes and we're getting towards the, the end of this.
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I'm planning to do more of these so I really appreciate all your comments.
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If you, if I discuss something and you want to know more, head over to golf
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, all that stuff helps us gain momentum.
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This was a lot of fun. Yeah, someone asked about, can I hold my book up? I've
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got a few of the early copies here, but I just wrote a kind of pretty massive
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book. It's about 350 pages going through lots of the different kind of ways
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that all the pieces fit together.
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So kind of taking science, taking some practical coaching and really tying it
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all together into hopefully a way that you can figure out what you need to do
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with your swing.
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So I always, I always harp on my students that you got to figure out what you
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're trying to do. So is it, are you working on your face control? Are you
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working on solid contact and low point control? Are you working on creating
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speed better?
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I think that when you figure out what main skill you're working on, it opens up
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the road and it kind of makes it easier to then know if a tip that you heard or
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a swing thought makes sense, or if it's just going to be one of those kind of
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things that's only going to work for a day.
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It's going to take long term growth and long term improvement. And the goal of
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this book was to really help you understand the pieces so that you can have a
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real long term plan.
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I see one last question, if you have any other questions, please send them,
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send them to support@golfsmartacademy.com and I'll get back to them, hopefully
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in a timely manner.
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If you want more of a rotary movement through the ball, or a stall like Phil,
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seems like I hit more solid shots with a stall, which probably means I'm over
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the top when rotating through the motorcycle.
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What it probably means is that you don't have an, I advocate more of the rotary
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style. Phil obviously has some face control issues.
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But the, the, the more upper body on top arm, arm dominant swing can work
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really well for the short irons, which is more of kind of a circular shape less
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of the flat bottom.
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As far as what's likely happening if you hit better with a stall is that, yes,
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you would probably need a little bit more motorcycle and you'd probably need
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more of the Jackson five or a little bit more of the access till.
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Because what's probably happening is you're getting early movement from the
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shoulders and then by stalling, you haven't kind of gotten as much outside in,
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or steep, and then when you straighten your arms because of the stall, you're
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able to coordinate the face and control the low point.
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My only concern would be if you had face control issues with the driver, or
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potentially like three would if those are your main struggles, then I would
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probably make a plan to work on the kind of the timing of that through impact.
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So all right, thank you all for, for joining me, and if you have any other
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questions, you can, you can.
Tyler Ferrell is the only person in the world named to Golf Digest's list of
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Improve Your Transition for Better Golf Swings
After this video, you'll be able to:
- Identify common pitfalls in your swing transition and how to avoid them
- Understand the importance of arm movement direction to enhance club speed
- Learn how to create the right amount of lag for improved shot distance
In this live Q&A session, Tyler Ferrell addresses common questions about improving your swing transition, focusing on the timing and direction of your arm movement. Understanding these concepts is crucial for enhancing your overall performance on the course.
Video Transcript
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Okay, so I appreciate everyone joining me for the first of hopefully many of
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these little live Q&A sessions.
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I've got a bunch of questions that came in through email, so I'll address some
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of those.
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But I'll be checking out the chat the whole time, so please, you know, if
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something comes up,
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if I say something you want it clarified or it relates to a question you might
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I've had a, it looks like, as far as a general theme, it looks like the
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majority of the questions are related to transition.
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So we'll kind of make that the theme of today's little session.
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I'm planning for, you know, somewhere around 20 minutes or so, but if questions
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keep coming in, we'll go a little bit longer.
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And like I said, hopefully this is the first of many.
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So I'll jump right in.
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One of the, one of the questions that I see popping up is relating to
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transition of the arms.
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And there were a couple different questions related to whether it's, you know,
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the direction that you're pulling, whether down versus up or the timing.
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There, there seems to be a movement in golf instruction where creating too much
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lag, creating too much lag late in the downswing is being advocated as a bad
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thing.
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So I thought that I'd just kind of discuss that from my perspective.
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Okay. So in a lot of other sports, sequencing and rhythm are largely used as
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ways to coordinate how you get up certain parts of your body to work together.
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Right.
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So in golf, the, the angle of the club, that lag angle has been, I don't want
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to say overdone, but it's been served, it's been used as a reference so golfers
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who tend to have tend to have more of this look of lag tend to hit it further.
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But what happened was we would see the look of lag and golf instructors would
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tell golf students to essentially try and increase or create more lag.
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I have a few videos on the site relating to lag that might help clarify and
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show different perspectives on it.
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But one of the, one of the big points for me to, to address is that when you
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try to increase the angle when you try to pull the club back like so, what
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typically happens is that lead risk is going to go into extension.
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And when that lead risk goes into extension, that's going to have an effect of
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opening the club face. And so what'll happen is golfers who try to hold and
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increase the lag tend to get in a situation where the club face is in an open
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position late in the downswing.
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Well, if the club is in an open position late in the downswing, you're going to
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have to do something pretty dramatic to try to close it.
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What most people end up doing is they stall their body rotation because body
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rotation delays the closing of the club face.
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And then they cast the risk or they kind of straighten the arms or they get in
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a more of a scoop pattern because scooping will close the club face gets that
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to point more.
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So here it's pointing off to the right, there it's pointing more to the left.
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So a scoop while many have talked about a scoop as holding the face open, it
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does actually close the face, it just doesn't do it rotationally.
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Okay, if lag too long can be a problem, then what's the intention? So what are
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players trying to do when they create a look of lag if they're not trying to
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create a look of lag?
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I like to think of it more as proper sequencing is going to help create the
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look of lag and soft enough arms will also help create that look of lag.
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I go back to looking at other sports and if you're teaching someone to throw,
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you're never really going to teach them to try and maximally extend that wrist
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and hold the wrist back as you're going to throw.
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What you would teach is leading with the lower body following with the shoulder
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and then lastly the arm. So sequencing will obviously have a big effect in how
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well you're able to get that look of lag not just actively holding the wrist
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back.
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Holding the wrist back too aggressively will trigger some signals to stop your
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rib cage to help stabilize the arms so that they can apply more force.
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And so that combination usually creates face control issues down to the bottom
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because as I said, if I increase that extension of the wrist, I increase or I
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open up the face compared to the path.
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So then what happens is I get down to the bottom, the club faces open and I
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have to close it in an incredibly fast amount of time and it creates a lot of
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variability.
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The metaphor that I've learned from John Hardesty that I think is brilliant is
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it's like if you were to turn up the sensitivity of your mouse.
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So if you've got your mouse and you make a little movement but the cursor goes
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flying all the way across the screen, you have to be really precise with how
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you're going to move the mouse.
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What we want to do with our golf swing is we want to turn down the sensitivity
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of the mouse.
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We want to turn down the sensitivity of the club face closing or opening but
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basically we want to turn down the sensitivity of our movements to how it
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relates to where the club face is pointing so that we don't have to be quite as
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precise as when that mouse sensitivity is turned way up.
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Because we all know that when you get under the gun, when you get a little bit
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of pressure, you're going to have probably some tougher times keeping the same
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rhythm, keeping the same level of intensity.
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transition would be, you see that some instructors, let's say a common problem
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is getting the arms behind you in a stuck position.
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the body back, saying you've got two overactive legs or your lower body is too
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active and you need to quiet that a bit.
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lower body, what you'd rather do is you want to use the lower body differently.
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This one relates more to how you're creating speed in that transition rather
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than the actual effect of the club face as we discussed in kind of that first
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transition segment.
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be using your legs with your core, with your ribcage, with your shoulders, with
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your arms, and if it's not so much that your lower body gets too active, what
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happens is if your lower body really kind of spins out of the shot,
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your ribcage gets disconnected from your pelvis. And so what usually happens is
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then the ribcage gets disconnected and then the arms kind of go on their own.
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and the arms, you have like a broken connection system.
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problems down at the bottom of the swing.
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So the two solutions are the one camp of basically, okay, if you get your arms
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more in front of your body, that typically requires you to connect your ribcage
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and your pelvis better.
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So you're using your abs, you're using your core in order to get those arms
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more in front. So that helps with the sequencing.
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And oftentimes, you're not really going to slow down your lower body quite as
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much as you think. You're just speeding up your upper body to kind of get it to
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match up a little bit better.
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The other option would be you take someone whose lower body is getting too
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active, oftentimes when it gets too active, it has either too much of a thrust
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component or it has too much of a slide component.
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So you teach instead of actively going that way to actively stay a little bit
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more in the box or keep the pelvis away from the golf ball and to have more of
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a rotation component.
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Because again, most of the muscles that are going to rotate the upper body with
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the lower body are connecting the ribcage to the pelvis.
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So if you're, I'm a big fan, because I know most of your thinking, well, which
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one do I try? I'm a big fan of testing. So I like to try both and see which one
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relates to your specific movement better.
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Right. So if you, if you do the upper body one, let's talk kind of more
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dangerous. So like, why would I not want to do a certain pattern.
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Some golfers, when they try to get the upper body more in front, lose a lot of
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their path control and at like a downswing checkpoint, instead of the club
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being in line with the hands, it gets outside the hands.
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Or they're pulling down by using instead of getting the arms in front by using
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kind of the shoulders, they'll pull it down using the wrist and they'll tend to
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get that lead wrist into a little bit more extension position.
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So trying to get those arms in front could potentially cause some path issues
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or some face issues. As far as the getting more more turning, a lot of that, I
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'm a big fan of matching pieces, so matching your steeps in your shallows.
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And if a slide and an extension so an overactive lower body tend to create
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shallow patterns, then what will happen is sometimes if you take those patterns
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away, the club will get steep, it'll be a pure path problem.
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The club will just get a little bit steeper as it enters the release.
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And so what you have to do is you have to give it a separate, a separate
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shallow or a new movement to balance out the pattern because we took away some
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form of shallow.
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You got to add one back in or else you're going to be steep.
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The most common one, which actually gets to one of the other questions, which
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is, I did a video on shallow position, shallow movements, and there was a
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question about Fred couples, like what movements is he doing.
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So, if you keep your body more in the box and you're really kind of powering it
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with the body, then your arms have to provide some of the shallow where else
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you would get steep.
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And so the two main movements that you'll see on 3D are released on AMM 3D
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systems, you'll see a pronation of the lead wrist, so it'll rotate this way.
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About 10, maybe up to 15 degrees. And the tricky one is you'll see a pronation
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of the trail wrist and an extension of the trail wrist.
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So you'll actually see the trail wrist go like that.
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And I know that if I see that pattern, that's a sign that they're shallowing
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from that trail shoulder.
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But unfortunately, the shoulders are really tricky to measure, so you have to
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really coordinate or you have to interpret the graphs.
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So, when this is going that way, what that usually means is that the shoulder
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was going more like that, and it's that shoulder external rotation and ad
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duction that kind of helps create the force on the club that gets the club to
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drop behind.
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When I see a golfer that I think is too shallow, what usually happens, because
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I'm answering Jason's question that popped up.
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So when I see a golfer that is considered too shallow, what's usually happened
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is that the shallow movements from the body are preventing some of the low
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point control movements that I would like to see during the release.
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So basically, usually a golfer who gets too shallow is going to have either too
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much side bend or too much extension, and both of those are going to prevent
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the ribcage and thoracic rotation through the shot.
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And that's one of the other patterns that I tend to see on 3D, which is the
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upper body moving faster than the arms faster than the pelvis through the shot
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for more consistent golfers,
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where it'll be a little bit slower for golfers who tend to have higher clubface
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variability.
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And it relates to the arc width graph and the 3D flat spot and getting the
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bottom of the swing, you know, shallowly out in front of the in front of impact
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So let me, let me scroll back up and address a couple of these. The long term
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drunken monkeys have a long term issue where my arms collapse in transition and
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both arms bend excessively.
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Do you have any drills training aids which help maintain width during that part
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of the swing?
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So there are, there are a number of golfers, the most prominent example would
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be like a Jason Day, but I've worked with a number of mini tour caliber players
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who get a fair amount of this kind of bend look through transition.
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I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's optimal if consistencies are
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main goal, but it's a big power source. So like guys like Jason Day or the
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players who have worked with hit the ball a long way.
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What can happen is if it does it too much, it's usually accompanied by a little
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bit more of a kind of scoop style release, which for me is the bigger problem
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for that pattern.
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But if you're trying to get the arms to stay a little bit wider, then what you
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have to do is you have to create more of the hand movement from rib cage
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rotation or from using your core.
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So imagine that you're in the gym and you're doing like a horizontal chop, that
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would be creating speed and movement more with my abs, more with my spine
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rotation, and less from my arms pulling.
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Right, my arms pulling is more of a lat or a upper back style pattern of
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creating force in the club.
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So I've had more success with doing, for working on that pattern doing two
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things, really working on getting the earlier shaft rotation, because the
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earlier shaft rotation if you then pull in narrow you tend to hit really bad
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pulls.
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It forces you to shallow and pretty much every shallower also opens the club
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face.
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So by getting that shaft rotation, it forces you to get more of the shallow,
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which then puts your arms in a position where they're not going to be able to
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pull narrowly as powerfully.
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So it kind of weakens their position.
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Now, the problem is some golfers hate that feeling of getting weak, especially
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if the main feeling of power is in the shoulders or the triceps or something
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like that, because it's going to make it feel weaker and golfers, especially
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under pressure hate the feeling of not being able to go hard at it.
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So I find that the easiest way to work on that is through kind of proper off-
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season planning where you're working on good oblique and spine rotation and then
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getting into even some med balls or there's a product I use training wise
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called the tornado ball or the twister ball.
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I use the lighter one, but it's basically a medicine ball on a rope, and that
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can really help with coordinating more of a feeling of pulling on something
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from the core, because if you pull on it with your arms, you hit yourself with
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a medicine ball, and it's not too pleasant.
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So I would kind of, I would start with the looking at the clubface control in
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transition, and I would look on video a lot at how well the spine is rotating.
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And I would also remind myself that Jason Day got the number one in the world
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with that pattern.
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So it doesn't mean that you can't have success with that pattern.
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I would, but if you're going to improve it, you're going to have to rebalance
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how your body creates power. It's not, it's usually not a pathing. It's usually
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more of a this feels really strong.
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Okay, so I had another question that I had another question about kind of
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someone who's got more of a barrel chested right so if you're, if you're larger
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and you don't have quite as much range of motion for making these shallow
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movements.
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What do you do, and, and I'll relate it to the backswing because I see another
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question related to that. You know, it's, there, there are definitely some
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advantages. There's a reason why a lot of the young guns are kind of wiry and
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fit, because ideally you want to act with the club a little bit more like a
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pitcher with some of this kind of delayed timing and larger range of motion.
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But there, there've been some really good golfers who are more barrel chested.
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The, the thing that you need to make sure is that you're in the backswing, you
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're controlling the arms relationship to the chest.
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So what I see with more barrel chested golfers is they kind of really stabilize
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dig into the ground and they create more of the turn with the arms getting
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behind.
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Well, if I get my arm behind in a position, kind of like that, when, when my
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elbow gets behind my shoulder, I'm going to lose a lot of the external range of
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motion.
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So it's going to force me to then pull down, which is going to create a really
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steep alignment on the way back. So I'll do, I'll do drills kind of where I'm
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applying resistance and getting more of the backswing rotation, where the club
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feels like it's staying a little bit more in front of your chest.
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I'll give you the kind of the best opportunity or the, that'll give you some
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slack to then allow a little bit of shallowing on the way down.
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Now you're probably never going to get the arms well in front on the way down,
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just because you got more mass than, you know, skinny guys like me.
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But what will, what will happen is if you keep it in front, you'll have that
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extra range of motion to get the club to shallow mostly from the lead arm.
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So mostly from letting that left arm relax. I did a video on the site on, you
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know, some of the, I want to say, larger golfers and you'll tend to see a
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pattern where the, the right hand will come off the club at different points in
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the swing.
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Most of the larger golfers who got to a really high level seem to control it
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more with the left hand and less with the right hand or the trail hand for a
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right hand golfer.
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Because that restriction, you know, having that extra mass, having that
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restriction in the shoulder would cause a really steep movement of the arms or
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of the club, unless you did it mostly with that lead arm.
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Doing is especially some of the lead arm release drills and kind of getting
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comfortable with controlling it more with the left arm.
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I've found with some of my Husker golfers that that really tends to help, tends
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to help clean things up.
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But if it, if it's more of the backswing issue, I would look at the spine
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movements more so than the arm movements and, and kind of start from there.
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I had a question about my thoughts on the orange whip as it relates to training
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transition, which I think is a good, good question.
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I do, I like the orange whip as far as kind of the, I call it a path trainer
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because what usually happens is things like the orange whip or things like the
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speed sticks, things where you're focusing on getting a lot of speed.
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Usually creates a better path.
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Now the problem is with those objects, you don't have to worry about the club
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face.
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The other thing you don't have to worry about is low point control.
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So what I've seen is the orange whip can create face control issues where the
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club is coming in kind of heel open or club face open.
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And you, you tend to, I've seen it cause shanks, you can get into just kind of
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like flaring it off to the right.
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Or the one that I think is worse is it causes low point control because it gets
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you using your body inside bending.
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And if you still have a bit of a cast pattern for squaring the club face and
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you get into a better body position, which the orange whip tends to train, then
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if you don't make any adjustment to your arms, the bottom of the swing is going
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to be more back behind the golf ball here.
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So I like the orange whip for creating speed, but in the short term I've seen
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it create some low point issues.
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So I wouldn't try it, you know, I wouldn't break it out and test it the week
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before an important event unless you've already practiced with a bunch.
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See a couple. Okay, so would you say that another way from from Jason, would
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you say that another way of looking at shallowing the club that is either
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behind the hands or even with the hands throughout the downswing.
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You can correct me if I'm wrong about your when you say even with the hands,
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but, but yes so shallowing for me is the relationship of the club shaft
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compared to the body horizontally, or it's the amount of width.
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So that's where some guys shallow it more by getting the club far away from you
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. And then it's like a circle that's with a wider radius like it has less change
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down to the bottom.
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Others would be getting it more behind the hands as you're describing, which
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then it's basically like like flattening the lie angle so now instead of
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slamming into the ground it kind of skims the ground that way.
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Both of those tend to shallow the club. The, when you get the club more behind,
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it allows you to use body rotation to then bring it back out in front and that
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body rotation typically creates more speed.
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So, for the at the very least, even if it doesn't create more speed, it allows
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for the arm extension to happen later, which tends to slow down the club face
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closure, which tends to produce a little bit more repeatability when you get
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good at that pattern.
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So, a good, you know, there are a couple good checkpoints, you know, when the,
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when the shaft is getting in line with the right form or at shaft parallel if
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the hand, if the club is still behind the hands as providing that the chest is
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facing roughly around the golf ball.
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Then that would indicate that you have more of a shallow arm movement, so those
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are two good kind of video checkpoints you can use.
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I have a question from a Rasu, classic swings appear to have more leg drive and
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access tilt at impact.
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Is it equipment related? Do you have preference for young golfers to model
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after classic versus modern swings?
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There's, you know, I definitely think that the equipment has a large role in
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why we see swings the way that they are now.
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And there's enough cases of golfers who've grabbed old equipment, right? I know
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that they did this at the, the BMW when it was in Denver.
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And I remember Rory doing it at another event, but grabbing old equipment, so
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the old golf ball and the old shafts and trying to make swings and not being
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able to hit it very well at all.
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When you had kind of the high spinning golf ball, you really had to launch it
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low. And so getting that leg drive was one way to help get more shaft lean.
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And I don't even know if it's more shaft lean per se, because I haven't seen
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the, I don't know if they've done any research or any, even video analysis of
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looking at how much more the handle would be ahead.
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You see the images and if you played volatas, you saw the ball launch really
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low and then spin up. And if you launched it high, it's still spun up. It wasn
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't until really the Pro V that you could launch it high and get the spin rate
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really low.
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So, I think that there are some, I think that there are some possible benefits
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for the, like looking at some of the older swings for more of the fluid aspect,
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you know, kind of more like a softer Phil Mickelson style of creating speed.
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But there's a reason why most of the top guys right now have more of the modern
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swing look. I think performance wise, it's better.
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I think that, let's see, I think you were asking for, yeah, for young golfers,
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the thing that really is tougher, young golfers is that they have so many
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tournaments and so much demand as far as playing well at all times throughout
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the year that they almost get locked into their swing too soon.
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Because most of them, like it's really hard to have a solid sequencing until
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your abs really develop. And most kids develop the legs grow first so they get
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really powerful with their legs and the arms tend to grow second and then the
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spine tends to grow third.
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And so during that phase where the spine is where the legs are more powerful
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and the spine is still weak, they tend to get into typically some of that kind
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of overuse of the lower body.
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And then when the upper body catches up and comes back in, it can be
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challenging for some to kind of go through the growing pains of learning to reb
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alance and get the core a little bit more involved.
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So I think that's a bigger, bigger issue as it relates to kids, because they're
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not necessarily using the older equipment right they're not really going to be.
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They're not going to have the same incentives to have that low launch, because
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they won't have the high spin with the current golf ball.
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Okay, what's the importance of pelvic tilt spine alignment from Rob.
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What's the importance of pelvic tilt spine alignment and address is there a
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range you like to see can hit pinging in the downswing be more advantageous
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than doing it more at address.
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Good, good question, so this is where I'm probably going to do some stuff
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related to this but a lot of those numbers that you'll see on 3D.
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Most of you know that I've got a pretty strong 3D background I've been using AM
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M systems since 2004.
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I think that 3D is great for getting the big global pictures of what your
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pattern is, so are you more of a lunger than a caster or you more of a caster
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than a lunger because on video it looks like you do both.
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3D is great for answering those questions for getting into some of the specific
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details like what you're asking about with pelvic alignment spine alignment.
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It's 3D is not detailed enough, because if you think about it like the pelvis
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sensor is really addressing the hip, the SI joints, the lower back.
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So there's probably like 10, 15 joints that are all related to the pelvic
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sensor, right.
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So you can't just say that, hey, this golfer is 5 degrees open with the upper
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body, 0 degrees with his pelvis.
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That's the right alignment, because there's lots of different combinations that
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could create that specific alignment.
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So I like to go off of, I actually will, if I have a golfer who is highly
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focused on their address and trying to really narrow in where they feel the
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most balanced or where they should be aligned.
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And I'm just, I'm seeing some weird stuff going on with the spine tilt or the
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legs. I'll usually do some of my tests to look in and see what's happening at
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the pelvis, what's happening at the SI joint.
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Because it's very common for golfers to have slightly off or having some tors
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ion in the pelvis.
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And then what you'll see is they'll use their legs and their feet to get that
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pelvis back in normal position.
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So I'm not a huge fan of finding like an absolute best spine alignment as like
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a global, you know, everybody needs to be at 20 degrees, but you can, you can
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figure out like your long term goal is to keep your spine in relatively neutral
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position.
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So that you can create, create speed safely, and create speed throughout the
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whole spine or the whole unit of legs, pelvis, hips, ribcage, shoulders, arms.
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If you get too much torsion in one area, you'll create kind of a weak point
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where you typically will either overuse that area or you'll completely avoid
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that area.
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So those are the problems that I'd see more for spine alignment. So I could
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give you a rough range on 3D, but I think that, you know, if you're working
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with good players, you need to get past that.
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The rough range isn't as good as what I think the best guys are doing.
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But can hip hinging in the downswing be more advantageous than doing it at
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setup. Yeah, I mean, whether it's a pre stretch or a stretch shorten or kind of
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a, you know, a getting the.
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We don't know for sure if it's stretch shortened or if it's just by pre loading
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the muscle, it can then apply more force.
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It's probably more the latter than a true stretch shortened, but if you're
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stretching something during the downswing or during transition, then the muscle
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will be able to activate stronger than if you stretched it at the start and
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just started from there.
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The example would be like, if you do a running jump versus a standing jump. So
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in a standing jump, it's going to be basically, you know, all muscle activity
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that's going to create some elevation.
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With the running jump, when you run and you plant your foot, your your quad is
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going to decelerate your momentum going forward. And it's by activating that
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quad in decelerating that then when it gets into lifting up.
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It's going at a higher level because it got to activate a whole lot earlier
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without causing you to lose that position.
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So there's probably like you'll see a lot with with kids and young people who
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are really create or really creating a lot of speed from the lower body that
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they'll hit pinch in the downswing.
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My goal would be the danger with that is that you may have some sequence issues
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and path issues that could relate to the bottom of the swing.
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So you just want to monitor that and make sure that they're not doing it so
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much that it messes up their, their upper body and their arm motions down
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through the release.
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Alright, another question. If I pull my hands towards the ball, some say that's
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bad. If I pull my hands to be desired impact location, this would seem to be
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consistent with the wipe concept.
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Yeah, so the wipe concept for me is my term of basically getting your arms back
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in front of you and doing it mostly from the shoulders right so many golfers
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have talked about getting the club in front of you.
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But obviously if you get the club in front of you, you can't have your body
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rotated or side bent at impact.
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So it's more about getting the arms and the hands out in front of your body.
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And if you find that I've had many golfers where when they feel like they swing
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more with their arms, they get the better alignments like they get the arms out
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in front of the golf ball.
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Especially if they tend to have more of an early extension or thrust pattern.
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So, I'm enjoying all the questions, but I've realized that, you know, my goal
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is about 20, 30 minutes and we're getting towards the, the end of this.
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I'm planning to do more of these so I really appreciate all your comments.
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If you, if I discuss something and you want to know more, head over to golf
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the videos that will hopefully help answer your questions.
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Or if you, if you want to know when we're going to be doing these, make sure
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, all that stuff helps us gain momentum.
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This was a lot of fun. Yeah, someone asked about, can I hold my book up? I've
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got a few of the early copies here, but I just wrote a kind of pretty massive
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book. It's about 350 pages going through lots of the different kind of ways
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that all the pieces fit together.
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So kind of taking science, taking some practical coaching and really tying it
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all together into hopefully a way that you can figure out what you need to do
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with your swing.
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So I always, I always harp on my students that you got to figure out what you
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're trying to do. So is it, are you working on your face control? Are you
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working on solid contact and low point control? Are you working on creating
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speed better?
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I think that when you figure out what main skill you're working on, it opens up
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the road and it kind of makes it easier to then know if a tip that you heard or
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a swing thought makes sense, or if it's just going to be one of those kind of
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things that's only going to work for a day.
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It's going to take long term growth and long term improvement. And the goal of
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this book was to really help you understand the pieces so that you can have a
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real long term plan.
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I see one last question, if you have any other questions, please send them,
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send them to support@golfsmartacademy.com and I'll get back to them, hopefully
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in a timely manner.
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If you want more of a rotary movement through the ball, or a stall like Phil,
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seems like I hit more solid shots with a stall, which probably means I'm over
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the top when rotating through the motorcycle.
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What it probably means is that you don't have an, I advocate more of the rotary
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style. Phil obviously has some face control issues.
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But the, the, the more upper body on top arm, arm dominant swing can work
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really well for the short irons, which is more of kind of a circular shape less
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of the flat bottom.
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As far as what's likely happening if you hit better with a stall is that, yes,
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you would probably need a little bit more motorcycle and you'd probably need
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more of the Jackson five or a little bit more of the access till.
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Because what's probably happening is you're getting early movement from the
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shoulders and then by stalling, you haven't kind of gotten as much outside in,
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or steep, and then when you straighten your arms because of the stall, you're
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able to coordinate the face and control the low point.
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My only concern would be if you had face control issues with the driver, or
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potentially like three would if those are your main struggles, then I would
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probably make a plan to work on the kind of the timing of that through impact.
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So all right, thank you all for, for joining me, and if you have any other
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questions, you can, you can.
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Okay, so I appreciate everyone joining me for the first of hopefully many of
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these little live Q&A sessions.
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I've got a bunch of questions that came in through email, so I'll address some
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of those.
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But I'll be checking out the chat the whole time, so please, you know, if
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something comes up,
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if I say something you want it clarified or it relates to a question you might
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have, please type it in.
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I've had a, it looks like, as far as a general theme, it looks like the
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majority of the questions are related to transition.
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So we'll kind of make that the theme of today's little session.
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I'm planning for, you know, somewhere around 20 minutes or so, but if questions
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keep coming in, we'll go a little bit longer.
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And like I said, hopefully this is the first of many.
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So I'll jump right in.
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One of the, one of the questions that I see popping up is relating to
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transition of the arms.
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And there were a couple different questions related to whether it's, you know,
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the direction that you're pulling, whether down versus up or the timing.
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There, there seems to be a movement in golf instruction where creating too much
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lag, creating too much lag late in the downswing is being advocated as a bad
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thing.
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So I thought that I'd just kind of discuss that from my perspective.
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Okay. So in a lot of other sports, sequencing and rhythm are largely used as
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ways to coordinate how you get up certain parts of your body to work together.
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Right.
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So in golf, the, the angle of the club, that lag angle has been, I don't want
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to say overdone, but it's been served, it's been used as a reference so golfers
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who tend to have tend to have more of this look of lag tend to hit it further.
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But what happened was we would see the look of lag and golf instructors would
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tell golf students to essentially try and increase or create more lag.
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I have a few videos on the site relating to lag that might help clarify and
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show different perspectives on it.
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But one of the, one of the big points for me to, to address is that when you
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try to increase the angle when you try to pull the club back like so, what
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typically happens is that lead risk is going to go into extension.
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And when that lead risk goes into extension, that's going to have an effect of
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opening the club face. And so what'll happen is golfers who try to hold and
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increase the lag tend to get in a situation where the club face is in an open
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position late in the downswing.
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Well, if the club is in an open position late in the downswing, you're going to
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have to do something pretty dramatic to try to close it.
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What most people end up doing is they stall their body rotation because body
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rotation delays the closing of the club face.
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And then they cast the risk or they kind of straighten the arms or they get in
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a more of a scoop pattern because scooping will close the club face gets that
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to point more.
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So here it's pointing off to the right, there it's pointing more to the left.
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So a scoop while many have talked about a scoop as holding the face open, it
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does actually close the face, it just doesn't do it rotationally.
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So the one of the other questions relating to that.
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Okay, if lag too long can be a problem, then what's the intention? So what are
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players trying to do when they create a look of lag if they're not trying to
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create a look of lag?
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I like to think of it more as proper sequencing is going to help create the
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look of lag and soft enough arms will also help create that look of lag.
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I go back to looking at other sports and if you're teaching someone to throw,
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you're never really going to teach them to try and maximally extend that wrist
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and hold the wrist back as you're going to throw.
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What you would teach is leading with the lower body following with the shoulder
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and then lastly the arm. So sequencing will obviously have a big effect in how
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well you're able to get that look of lag not just actively holding the wrist
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back.
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Holding the wrist back too aggressively will trigger some signals to stop your
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rib cage to help stabilize the arms so that they can apply more force.
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because as I said, if I increase that extension of the wrist, I increase or I
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open up the face compared to the path.
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So then what happens is I get down to the bottom, the club faces open and I
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have to close it in an incredibly fast amount of time and it creates a lot of
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variability.
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The metaphor that I've learned from John Hardesty that I think is brilliant is
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it's like if you were to turn up the sensitivity of your mouse.
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So if you've got your mouse and you make a little movement but the cursor goes
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flying all the way across the screen, you have to be really precise with how
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you're going to move the mouse.
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What we want to do with our golf swing is we want to turn down the sensitivity
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of the mouse.
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We want to turn down the sensitivity of the club face closing or opening but
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basically we want to turn down the sensitivity of our movements to how it
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relates to where the club face is pointing so that we don't have to be quite as
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precise as when that mouse sensitivity is turned way up.
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Because we all know that when you get under the gun, when you get a little bit
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of pressure, you're going to have probably some tougher times keeping the same
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rhythm, keeping the same level of intensity.
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So another question as it relates to this transition, as it relates to the
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transition would be, you see that some instructors, let's say a common problem
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is getting the arms behind you in a stuck position.
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So some instructors advocate getting the arms back in front, so kind of holding
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the body back, saying you've got two overactive legs or your lower body is too
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active and you need to quiet that a bit.
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And then you have other instructors who say, no, you don't want to quiet your
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lower body, what you'd rather do is you want to use the lower body differently.
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This one relates more to how you're creating speed in that transition rather
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than the actual effect of the club face as we discussed in kind of that first
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transition segment.
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So ideally, you want to be using your body as a whole chain, right? You want to
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be using your legs with your core, with your ribcage, with your shoulders, with
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your arms, and if it's not so much that your lower body gets too active, what
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happens is if your lower body really kind of spins out of the shot,
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your ribcage gets disconnected from your pelvis. And so what usually happens is
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then the ribcage gets disconnected and then the arms kind of go on their own.
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So instead of having a link between the lower body, the pelvis, the ribcage,
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and the arms, you have like a broken connection system.
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And so usually those broken connection systems cause contact problems or timing
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problems down at the bottom of the swing.
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So the two solutions are the one camp of basically, okay, if you get your arms
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more in front of your body, that typically requires you to connect your ribcage
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and your pelvis better.
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So you're using your abs, you're using your core in order to get those arms
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more in front. So that helps with the sequencing.
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And oftentimes, you're not really going to slow down your lower body quite as
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much as you think. You're just speeding up your upper body to kind of get it to
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match up a little bit better.
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The other option would be you take someone whose lower body is getting too
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active, oftentimes when it gets too active, it has either too much of a thrust
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component or it has too much of a slide component.
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So you teach instead of actively going that way to actively stay a little bit
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more in the box or keep the pelvis away from the golf ball and to have more of
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a rotation component.
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Because again, most of the muscles that are going to rotate the upper body with
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the lower body are connecting the ribcage to the pelvis.
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So if you're, I'm a big fan, because I know most of your thinking, well, which
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one do I try? I'm a big fan of testing. So I like to try both and see which one
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relates to your specific movement better.
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Right. So if you, if you do the upper body one, let's talk kind of more
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dangerous. So like, why would I not want to do a certain pattern.
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Some golfers, when they try to get the upper body more in front, lose a lot of
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their path control and at like a downswing checkpoint, instead of the club
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being in line with the hands, it gets outside the hands.
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Or they're pulling down by using instead of getting the arms in front by using
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kind of the shoulders, they'll pull it down using the wrist and they'll tend to
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get that lead wrist into a little bit more extension position.
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So trying to get those arms in front could potentially cause some path issues
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or some face issues. As far as the getting more more turning, a lot of that, I
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'm a big fan of matching pieces, so matching your steeps in your shallows.
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And if a slide and an extension so an overactive lower body tend to create
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shallow patterns, then what will happen is sometimes if you take those patterns
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away, the club will get steep, it'll be a pure path problem.
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The club will just get a little bit steeper as it enters the release.
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And so what you have to do is you have to give it a separate, a separate
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shallow or a new movement to balance out the pattern because we took away some
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form of shallow.
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You got to add one back in or else you're going to be steep.
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The most common one, which actually gets to one of the other questions, which
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is, I did a video on shallow position, shallow movements, and there was a
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question about Fred couples, like what movements is he doing.
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So, if you keep your body more in the box and you're really kind of powering it
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with the body, then your arms have to provide some of the shallow where else
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you would get steep.
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And so the two main movements that you'll see on 3D are released on AMM 3D
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systems, you'll see a pronation of the lead wrist, so it'll rotate this way.
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About 10, maybe up to 15 degrees. And the tricky one is you'll see a pronation
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of the trail wrist and an extension of the trail wrist.
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So you'll actually see the trail wrist go like that.
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And I know that if I see that pattern, that's a sign that they're shallowing
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from that trail shoulder.
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But unfortunately, the shoulders are really tricky to measure, so you have to
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really coordinate or you have to interpret the graphs.
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So, when this is going that way, what that usually means is that the shoulder
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was going more like that, and it's that shoulder external rotation and ad
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duction that kind of helps create the force on the club that gets the club to
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drop behind.
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When I see a golfer that I think is too shallow, what usually happens, because
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I'm answering Jason's question that popped up.
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So when I see a golfer that is considered too shallow, what's usually happened
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is that the shallow movements from the body are preventing some of the low
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point control movements that I would like to see during the release.
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So basically, usually a golfer who gets too shallow is going to have either too
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much side bend or too much extension, and both of those are going to prevent
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the ribcage and thoracic rotation through the shot.
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And that's one of the other patterns that I tend to see on 3D, which is the
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upper body moving faster than the arms faster than the pelvis through the shot
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for more consistent golfers,
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where it'll be a little bit slower for golfers who tend to have higher clubface
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variability.
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And it relates to the arc width graph and the 3D flat spot and getting the
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bottom of the swing, you know, shallowly out in front of the in front of impact
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So let me, let me scroll back up and address a couple of these. The long term
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drunken monkeys have a long term issue where my arms collapse in transition and
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both arms bend excessively.
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Do you have any drills training aids which help maintain width during that part
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of the swing?
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So there are, there are a number of golfers, the most prominent example would
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be like a Jason Day, but I've worked with a number of mini tour caliber players
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who get a fair amount of this kind of bend look through transition.
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I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's optimal if consistencies are
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main goal, but it's a big power source. So like guys like Jason Day or the
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players who have worked with hit the ball a long way.
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What can happen is if it does it too much, it's usually accompanied by a little
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bit more of a kind of scoop style release, which for me is the bigger problem
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for that pattern.
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But if you're trying to get the arms to stay a little bit wider, then what you
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have to do is you have to create more of the hand movement from rib cage
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rotation or from using your core.
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So imagine that you're in the gym and you're doing like a horizontal chop, that
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would be creating speed and movement more with my abs, more with my spine
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rotation, and less from my arms pulling.
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Right, my arms pulling is more of a lat or a upper back style pattern of
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creating force in the club.
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So I've had more success with doing, for working on that pattern doing two
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things, really working on getting the earlier shaft rotation, because the
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earlier shaft rotation if you then pull in narrow you tend to hit really bad
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pulls.
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It forces you to shallow and pretty much every shallower also opens the club
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face.
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So by getting that shaft rotation, it forces you to get more of the shallow,
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which then puts your arms in a position where they're not going to be able to
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pull narrowly as powerfully.
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So it kind of weakens their position.
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Now, the problem is some golfers hate that feeling of getting weak, especially
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if the main feeling of power is in the shoulders or the triceps or something
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like that, because it's going to make it feel weaker and golfers, especially
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under pressure hate the feeling of not being able to go hard at it.
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So I find that the easiest way to work on that is through kind of proper off-
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season planning where you're working on good oblique and spine rotation and then
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getting into even some med balls or there's a product I use training wise
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called the tornado ball or the twister ball.
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I use the lighter one, but it's basically a medicine ball on a rope, and that
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can really help with coordinating more of a feeling of pulling on something
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from the core, because if you pull on it with your arms, you hit yourself with
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a medicine ball, and it's not too pleasant.
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So I would kind of, I would start with the looking at the clubface control in
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transition, and I would look on video a lot at how well the spine is rotating.
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And I would also remind myself that Jason Day got the number one in the world
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with that pattern.
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So it doesn't mean that you can't have success with that pattern.
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I would, but if you're going to improve it, you're going to have to rebalance
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how your body creates power. It's not, it's usually not a pathing. It's usually
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more of a this feels really strong.
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Okay, so I had another question that I had another question about kind of
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someone who's got more of a barrel chested right so if you're, if you're larger
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and you don't have quite as much range of motion for making these shallow
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movements.
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What do you do, and, and I'll relate it to the backswing because I see another
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question related to that. You know, it's, there, there are definitely some
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advantages. There's a reason why a lot of the young guns are kind of wiry and
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fit, because ideally you want to act with the club a little bit more like a
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pitcher with some of this kind of delayed timing and larger range of motion.
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But there, there've been some really good golfers who are more barrel chested.
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The, the thing that you need to make sure is that you're in the backswing, you
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're controlling the arms relationship to the chest.
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So what I see with more barrel chested golfers is they kind of really stabilize
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dig into the ground and they create more of the turn with the arms getting
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behind.
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Well, if I get my arm behind in a position, kind of like that, when, when my
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elbow gets behind my shoulder, I'm going to lose a lot of the external range of
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motion.
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So it's going to force me to then pull down, which is going to create a really
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steep alignment on the way back. So I'll do, I'll do drills kind of where I'm
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applying resistance and getting more of the backswing rotation, where the club
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feels like it's staying a little bit more in front of your chest.
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I'll give you the kind of the best opportunity or the, that'll give you some
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slack to then allow a little bit of shallowing on the way down.
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Now you're probably never going to get the arms well in front on the way down,
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just because you got more mass than, you know, skinny guys like me.
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But what will, what will happen is if you keep it in front, you'll have that
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extra range of motion to get the club to shallow mostly from the lead arm.
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So mostly from letting that left arm relax. I did a video on the site on, you
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know, some of the, I want to say, larger golfers and you'll tend to see a
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pattern where the, the right hand will come off the club at different points in
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the swing.
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Most of the larger golfers who got to a really high level seem to control it
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more with the left hand and less with the right hand or the trail hand for a
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right hand golfer.
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Because that restriction, you know, having that extra mass, having that
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restriction in the shoulder would cause a really steep movement of the arms or
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of the club, unless you did it mostly with that lead arm.
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Doing is especially some of the lead arm release drills and kind of getting
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comfortable with controlling it more with the left arm.
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I've found with some of my Husker golfers that that really tends to help, tends
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to help clean things up.
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But if it, if it's more of the backswing issue, I would look at the spine
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movements more so than the arm movements and, and kind of start from there.
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I had a question about my thoughts on the orange whip as it relates to training
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transition, which I think is a good, good question.
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I do, I like the orange whip as far as kind of the, I call it a path trainer
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because what usually happens is things like the orange whip or things like the
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speed sticks, things where you're focusing on getting a lot of speed.
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Usually creates a better path.
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Now the problem is with those objects, you don't have to worry about the club
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face.
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The other thing you don't have to worry about is low point control.
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So what I've seen is the orange whip can create face control issues where the
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club is coming in kind of heel open or club face open.
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And you, you tend to, I've seen it cause shanks, you can get into just kind of
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like flaring it off to the right.
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Or the one that I think is worse is it causes low point control because it gets
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you using your body inside bending.
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And if you still have a bit of a cast pattern for squaring the club face and
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you get into a better body position, which the orange whip tends to train, then
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if you don't make any adjustment to your arms, the bottom of the swing is going
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to be more back behind the golf ball here.
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So I like the orange whip for creating speed, but in the short term I've seen
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it create some low point issues.
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So I wouldn't try it, you know, I wouldn't break it out and test it the week
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before an important event unless you've already practiced with a bunch.
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See a couple. Okay, so would you say that another way from from Jason, would
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you say that another way of looking at shallowing the club that is either
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behind the hands or even with the hands throughout the downswing.
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You can correct me if I'm wrong about your when you say even with the hands,
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but, but yes so shallowing for me is the relationship of the club shaft
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compared to the body horizontally, or it's the amount of width.
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So that's where some guys shallow it more by getting the club far away from you
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. And then it's like a circle that's with a wider radius like it has less change
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down to the bottom.
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Others would be getting it more behind the hands as you're describing, which
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then it's basically like like flattening the lie angle so now instead of
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slamming into the ground it kind of skims the ground that way.
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Both of those tend to shallow the club. The, when you get the club more behind,
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it allows you to use body rotation to then bring it back out in front and that
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body rotation typically creates more speed.
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So, for the at the very least, even if it doesn't create more speed, it allows
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for the arm extension to happen later, which tends to slow down the club face
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closure, which tends to produce a little bit more repeatability when you get
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good at that pattern.
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So, a good, you know, there are a couple good checkpoints, you know, when the,
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when the shaft is getting in line with the right form or at shaft parallel if
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the hand, if the club is still behind the hands as providing that the chest is
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facing roughly around the golf ball.
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Then that would indicate that you have more of a shallow arm movement, so those
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are two good kind of video checkpoints you can use.
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I have a question from a Rasu, classic swings appear to have more leg drive and
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access tilt at impact.
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Is it equipment related? Do you have preference for young golfers to model
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after classic versus modern swings?
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There's, you know, I definitely think that the equipment has a large role in
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why we see swings the way that they are now.
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And there's enough cases of golfers who've grabbed old equipment, right? I know
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that they did this at the, the BMW when it was in Denver.
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And I remember Rory doing it at another event, but grabbing old equipment, so
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the old golf ball and the old shafts and trying to make swings and not being
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able to hit it very well at all.
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When you had kind of the high spinning golf ball, you really had to launch it
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low. And so getting that leg drive was one way to help get more shaft lean.
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And I don't even know if it's more shaft lean per se, because I haven't seen
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the, I don't know if they've done any research or any, even video analysis of
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looking at how much more the handle would be ahead.
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You see the images and if you played volatas, you saw the ball launch really
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low and then spin up. And if you launched it high, it's still spun up. It wasn
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't until really the Pro V that you could launch it high and get the spin rate
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really low.
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So, I think that there are some, I think that there are some possible benefits
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for the, like looking at some of the older swings for more of the fluid aspect,
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you know, kind of more like a softer Phil Mickelson style of creating speed.
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But there's a reason why most of the top guys right now have more of the modern
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swing look. I think performance wise, it's better.
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I think that, let's see, I think you were asking for, yeah, for young golfers,
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the thing that really is tougher, young golfers is that they have so many
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tournaments and so much demand as far as playing well at all times throughout
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the year that they almost get locked into their swing too soon.
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Because most of them, like it's really hard to have a solid sequencing until
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your abs really develop. And most kids develop the legs grow first so they get
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really powerful with their legs and the arms tend to grow second and then the
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spine tends to grow third.
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And so during that phase where the spine is where the legs are more powerful
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and the spine is still weak, they tend to get into typically some of that kind
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of overuse of the lower body.
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And then when the upper body catches up and comes back in, it can be
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challenging for some to kind of go through the growing pains of learning to reb
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alance and get the core a little bit more involved.
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So I think that's a bigger, bigger issue as it relates to kids, because they're
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not necessarily using the older equipment right they're not really going to be.
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They're not going to have the same incentives to have that low launch, because
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they won't have the high spin with the current golf ball.
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Okay, what's the importance of pelvic tilt spine alignment from Rob.
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What's the importance of pelvic tilt spine alignment and address is there a
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range you like to see can hit pinging in the downswing be more advantageous
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than doing it more at address.
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Good, good question, so this is where I'm probably going to do some stuff
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related to this but a lot of those numbers that you'll see on 3D.
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Most of you know that I've got a pretty strong 3D background I've been using AM
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M systems since 2004.
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I think that 3D is great for getting the big global pictures of what your
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pattern is, so are you more of a lunger than a caster or you more of a caster
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than a lunger because on video it looks like you do both.
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3D is great for answering those questions for getting into some of the specific
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details like what you're asking about with pelvic alignment spine alignment.
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It's 3D is not detailed enough, because if you think about it like the pelvis
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sensor is really addressing the hip, the SI joints, the lower back.
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So there's probably like 10, 15 joints that are all related to the pelvic
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sensor, right.
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So you can't just say that, hey, this golfer is 5 degrees open with the upper
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body, 0 degrees with his pelvis.
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That's the right alignment, because there's lots of different combinations that
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could create that specific alignment.
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So I like to go off of, I actually will, if I have a golfer who is highly
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focused on their address and trying to really narrow in where they feel the
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most balanced or where they should be aligned.
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And I'm just, I'm seeing some weird stuff going on with the spine tilt or the
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legs. I'll usually do some of my tests to look in and see what's happening at
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the pelvis, what's happening at the SI joint.
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Because it's very common for golfers to have slightly off or having some tors
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ion in the pelvis.
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And then what you'll see is they'll use their legs and their feet to get that
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pelvis back in normal position.
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So I'm not a huge fan of finding like an absolute best spine alignment as like
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a global, you know, everybody needs to be at 20 degrees, but you can, you can
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figure out like your long term goal is to keep your spine in relatively neutral
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position.
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So that you can create, create speed safely, and create speed throughout the
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whole spine or the whole unit of legs, pelvis, hips, ribcage, shoulders, arms.
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If you get too much torsion in one area, you'll create kind of a weak point
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where you typically will either overuse that area or you'll completely avoid
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that area.
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So those are the problems that I'd see more for spine alignment. So I could
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give you a rough range on 3D, but I think that, you know, if you're working
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with good players, you need to get past that.
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The rough range isn't as good as what I think the best guys are doing.
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But can hip hinging in the downswing be more advantageous than doing it at
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setup. Yeah, I mean, whether it's a pre stretch or a stretch shorten or kind of
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a, you know, a getting the.
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We don't know for sure if it's stretch shortened or if it's just by pre loading
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the muscle, it can then apply more force.
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It's probably more the latter than a true stretch shortened, but if you're
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stretching something during the downswing or during transition, then the muscle
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will be able to activate stronger than if you stretched it at the start and
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just started from there.
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The example would be like, if you do a running jump versus a standing jump. So
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in a standing jump, it's going to be basically, you know, all muscle activity
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that's going to create some elevation.
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With the running jump, when you run and you plant your foot, your your quad is
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going to decelerate your momentum going forward. And it's by activating that
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quad in decelerating that then when it gets into lifting up.
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It's going at a higher level because it got to activate a whole lot earlier
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without causing you to lose that position.
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So there's probably like you'll see a lot with with kids and young people who
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are really create or really creating a lot of speed from the lower body that
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they'll hit pinch in the downswing.
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My goal would be the danger with that is that you may have some sequence issues
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and path issues that could relate to the bottom of the swing.
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So you just want to monitor that and make sure that they're not doing it so
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much that it messes up their, their upper body and their arm motions down
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through the release.
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Alright, another question. If I pull my hands towards the ball, some say that's
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bad. If I pull my hands to be desired impact location, this would seem to be
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consistent with the wipe concept.
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Yeah, so the wipe concept for me is my term of basically getting your arms back
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in front of you and doing it mostly from the shoulders right so many golfers
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have talked about getting the club in front of you.
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But obviously if you get the club in front of you, you can't have your body
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rotated or side bent at impact.
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So it's more about getting the arms and the hands out in front of your body.
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And if you find that I've had many golfers where when they feel like they swing
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more with their arms, they get the better alignments like they get the arms out
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in front of the golf ball.
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Especially if they tend to have more of an early extension or thrust pattern.
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So, I'm enjoying all the questions, but I've realized that, you know, my goal
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is about 20, 30 minutes and we're getting towards the, the end of this.
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I'm planning to do more of these so I really appreciate all your comments.
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This was a lot of fun. Yeah, someone asked about, can I hold my book up? I've
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got a few of the early copies here, but I just wrote a kind of pretty massive
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book. It's about 350 pages going through lots of the different kind of ways
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that all the pieces fit together.
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So kind of taking science, taking some practical coaching and really tying it
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all together into hopefully a way that you can figure out what you need to do
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with your swing.
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So I always, I always harp on my students that you got to figure out what you
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're trying to do. So is it, are you working on your face control? Are you
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working on solid contact and low point control? Are you working on creating
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speed better?
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I think that when you figure out what main skill you're working on, it opens up
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the road and it kind of makes it easier to then know if a tip that you heard or
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a swing thought makes sense, or if it's just going to be one of those kind of
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things that's only going to work for a day.
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It's going to take long term growth and long term improvement. And the goal of
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this book was to really help you understand the pieces so that you can have a
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real long term plan.
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I see one last question, if you have any other questions, please send them,
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send them to support@golfsmartacademy.com and I'll get back to them, hopefully
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in a timely manner.
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If you want more of a rotary movement through the ball, or a stall like Phil,
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seems like I hit more solid shots with a stall, which probably means I'm over
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the top when rotating through the motorcycle.
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What it probably means is that you don't have an, I advocate more of the rotary
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style. Phil obviously has some face control issues.
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But the, the, the more upper body on top arm, arm dominant swing can work
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really well for the short irons, which is more of kind of a circular shape less
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of the flat bottom.
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As far as what's likely happening if you hit better with a stall is that, yes,
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you would probably need a little bit more motorcycle and you'd probably need
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more of the Jackson five or a little bit more of the access till.
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Because what's probably happening is you're getting early movement from the
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shoulders and then by stalling, you haven't kind of gotten as much outside in,
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or steep, and then when you straighten your arms because of the stall, you're
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able to coordinate the face and control the low point.
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My only concern would be if you had face control issues with the driver, or
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potentially like three would if those are your main struggles, then I would
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probably make a plan to work on the kind of the timing of that through impact.
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So all right, thank you all for, for joining me, and if you have any other
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questions, you can, you can.
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