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Distance Gap - Driver vs Iron
If you hit your irons proportionately further than your driver, there is likely one of two reasons.
- Speed plateau
- Angle of attack/launch numbers
To find out if it's a speed plateau, you'll have to get on a launch monitor to see if club head speed gaps decline as you move into the longer clubs. Luckily you can get a reasonable approximation of the angle of attack/launch numbers by looking at a face on video of your swing.
If you hit your irons proportionately further than your driver, there is likely one of two reasons.
- Speed plateau
- Angle of attack/launch numbers
To find out if it's a speed plateau, you'll have to get on a launch monitor to see if club head speed gaps decline as you move into the longer clubs. Luckily you can get a reasonable approximation of the angle of attack/launch numbers by looking at a face on video of your swing.
Video Transcript
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In this concept video, we're going to discuss losing distance with the driver
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compared to
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00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:09.600
the irons.
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So I had a member question come in about how come he hits the ball far, so
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comparatively
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as far as some of the people he plays with, he hits the ball just as far with
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the irons,
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but with the driver he's a good 20, 30 yard short.
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So why would some golfers hit the ball proportionately further with their irons
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compared to the
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driver?
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That's what we're going to investigate in this concept video.
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There are two major reasons why you might be disproportionately longer with the
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irons.
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One I call a speed plateau, and then two would be your launch numbers or your
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angle
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of attack number and spin numbers and launch are probably two iron based.
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So I talk about the goal with the driver is to have more of a sweeping blow
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where I'm
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going to hit flat or at the worst one degree down, maybe two degrees down.
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But ideally, if I'm trying to maximize distance, I want to hit closer in the
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three to five
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degree up range.
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In order to do that, most pros have a axis tilt of about 20 degrees or their
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upper body
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is a good four inches behind their lower body at the point of contact.
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Good rough kind of guideline for that would be at impact.
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The left leg is pretty vertical, but compared to that, the left shoulder is
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just slightly
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behind the golf ball.
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That would be a good position for sweeping the golf ball and hitting slightly
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up on it.
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That can either come from playing with ball position, for a lot of golfers who
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play it
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too far back, or playing with axis tilt, the Jackson five movement or the
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amount of hip
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tilt in the golf swing.
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So that one helps solve if I'm hitting too much down on it.
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Because what can happen is if I'm hitting too down and with a, let's put it
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this way,
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if I hit too down on the ball, let's say I hit four or five degrees down with
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my irons
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and I hit four or five degrees down with the driver.
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Well, if I squared the club face, then the, because the driver only has nine,
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ten, maybe
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twelve degrees of loft on the high end, if I'm hitting down on it, it would
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launch really
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low.
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So what most golfers do is when they hit down on it, they tend to add loft
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either by bringing
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the handle back with a big flip movement, or by just leaving the club face open
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.
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Either way, that produces more of a spinny ball.
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And so you lose a lot of the distance that you could get to that spin.
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So I forget the actual calculations, but I remember from an article back in
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2000, The
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Trackman put out that if you go from hitting three degrees down to three
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degrees up with
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a ninety five mile per hour club head speed, you could gain up to forty two
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yards or something
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like that.
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So without changing your speed, perhaps you're losing distance just because you
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're hitting
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down on it too much like you are in iron.
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But the other option, the speed plateau sometimes sneaks up on golfers,
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especially, I've seen
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it a lot with my older golfers.
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So I'll post up a picture of the Tour Pro average distances put out by Trackman
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, and
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you'll see that as they go from their irons to their fairway wood to their
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driver, there's
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a speed jump in how fast the club head is traveling.
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That's largely because they're swinging their hands close to the same speed,
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but the club
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gets longer and longer and so the club head ends up moving faster and faster.
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What I tend to find with some of my golfers is they reach a plateau where after
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a certain
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point they can't swing the club any faster because as the club gets longer,
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they actually
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unconsciously can't swing it any faster so their hands slow down so the club
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head ends
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up traveling about the same speed for a couple different clubs.
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This is a really common complaint of golfers who say that they hit their three
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wood further
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than their driver.
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Often times when I put them on Trackman, you'll be able to see that they swing
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the three
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wood and the driver the same.
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The three wood they launch a little bit higher and with lower speed, the higher
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launch gives
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them extra distance so they also tend because the club is a little bit shorter,
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you'll hit
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the ball more in the center with the shorter club than you would typically with
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the longer
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club so the ball speed with the same club head speed might even be a little bit
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higher
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with the three wood compared to the driver other than when they just hit that
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driver perfectly.
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So unfortunately the second opt that speed plateau, you're not going to know
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unless you
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get on some type of launch monitor device but I don't think it has to be a top
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of the
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line one.
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I think you'll be able to see anything that's measuring club head speed
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relatively accurately,
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whether it's off by a little bit as long as it's consistent.
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It'll help you see if you're reaching a speed plateau and you're just not
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swinging the driver
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any faster than the three wood is that can easily cause you to lose distance
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compared
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to golfers who might be able to swing their hands the same speed and increase
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the club
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speed with the longer club.
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If however it's more from the angle of attack so you are increasing speed but
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you're noticing
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that you're not hitting it further, then I would investigate either getting two
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upper
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body dominance so the club getting a little bit more outside or getting too
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much of a
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lunge so that the shoulder is past the ball and having to have more of a flip.
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Both of those could cause too many of a ball with too low of a launch and that
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combination
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is typically going to cost you a good bit of distance.
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So if you're struggling understanding why you might hit the driver, not quite
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as far
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as you hit the irons proportionally, hopefully this video gives you a little
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pathway to investigate.
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Figure out which of those two it is, if it's more the speed plateau, then you
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're going to
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have to do some a little bit of speed work.
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If it's more the angle of attack, then that can be accomplished with a lot of
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our drills
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that focus on getting more of this flat spot or sweeping bottom of the swing as
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opposed
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to more of a downward strike which we promote with the irons.
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So with a quick little demo with the iron, we're going to tend to be more on
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top of it
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in order to strike down, but if I did that with a driver, I would either pop it
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up, launch
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it really low or launch it in a spinny fashion.
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So if I do that same thing, which is hard for me to override, but if I do that
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same thing,
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I'm going to tend to lose it off a little bit to the right because I needed
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that extra
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loft and it had a little bit more of a climbing ball flight compared to, let's
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get a little
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bit better ball position.
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So I'm going to play that more towards my front shoulder, I'm going to have a
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little
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bit more lower body sweeping action.
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If I try to swing about the same speed, you'll see that that takes off on a
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much more kind
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of flat flight, gets to its apex and really cruises, I'm probably swung a
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little bit faster
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because I was more comfortable in that position, but that ball went about 40
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yards further
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than the first one where they felt like I swung about the same speed.
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I just transferred a heck of a lot more energy into the golf ball with that
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second technique.
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Ask Mulligan for helpDistance Gap - Driver vs Iron
If you hit your irons proportionately further than your driver, there is likely one of two reasons.
- Speed plateau
- Angle of attack/launch numbers
To find out if it's a speed plateau, you'll have to get on a launch monitor to see if club head speed gaps decline as you move into the longer clubs. Luckily you can get a reasonable approximation of the angle of attack/launch numbers by looking at a face on video of your swing.
If you hit your irons proportionately further than your driver, there is likely one of two reasons.
- Speed plateau
- Angle of attack/launch numbers
To find out if it's a speed plateau, you'll have to get on a launch monitor to see if club head speed gaps decline as you move into the longer clubs. Luckily you can get a reasonable approximation of the angle of attack/launch numbers by looking at a face on video of your swing.
Video Transcript
1
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In this concept video, we're going to discuss losing distance with the driver
2
00:00:07.800 --> 00:00:08.400
compared to
3
00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:09.600
the irons.
4
00:00:09.600 --> 00:00:16.810
So I had a member question come in about how come he hits the ball far, so
5
00:00:16.810 --> 00:00:18.440
comparatively
6
00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:22.230
as far as some of the people he plays with, he hits the ball just as far with
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the irons,
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but with the driver he's a good 20, 30 yard short.
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So why would some golfers hit the ball proportionately further with their irons
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compared to the
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00:00:31.240 --> 00:00:32.240
driver?
12
00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:34.560
That's what we're going to investigate in this concept video.
13
00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:41.080
There are two major reasons why you might be disproportionately longer with the
14
00:00:41.080 --> 00:00:41.920
irons.
15
00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:49.130
One I call a speed plateau, and then two would be your launch numbers or your
16
00:00:49.130 --> 00:00:49.720
angle
17
00:00:49.720 --> 00:00:55.440
of attack number and spin numbers and launch are probably two iron based.
18
00:00:55.440 --> 00:01:01.930
So I talk about the goal with the driver is to have more of a sweeping blow
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where I'm
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going to hit flat or at the worst one degree down, maybe two degrees down.
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But ideally, if I'm trying to maximize distance, I want to hit closer in the
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three to five
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00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:15.440
degree up range.
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In order to do that, most pros have a axis tilt of about 20 degrees or their
25
00:01:20.550 --> 00:01:21.720
upper body
26
00:01:21.720 --> 00:01:27.640
is a good four inches behind their lower body at the point of contact.
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Good rough kind of guideline for that would be at impact.
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The left leg is pretty vertical, but compared to that, the left shoulder is
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just slightly
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behind the golf ball.
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That would be a good position for sweeping the golf ball and hitting slightly
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up on it.
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That can either come from playing with ball position, for a lot of golfers who
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play it
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too far back, or playing with axis tilt, the Jackson five movement or the
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amount of hip
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tilt in the golf swing.
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So that one helps solve if I'm hitting too much down on it.
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Because what can happen is if I'm hitting too down and with a, let's put it
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this way,
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if I hit too down on the ball, let's say I hit four or five degrees down with
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my irons
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and I hit four or five degrees down with the driver.
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Well, if I squared the club face, then the, because the driver only has nine,
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ten, maybe
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twelve degrees of loft on the high end, if I'm hitting down on it, it would
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launch really
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low.
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So what most golfers do is when they hit down on it, they tend to add loft
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either by bringing
51
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the handle back with a big flip movement, or by just leaving the club face open
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.
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Either way, that produces more of a spinny ball.
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And so you lose a lot of the distance that you could get to that spin.
55
00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:54.080
So I forget the actual calculations, but I remember from an article back in
56
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2000, The
57
00:02:55.600 --> 00:02:59.770
Trackman put out that if you go from hitting three degrees down to three
58
00:02:59.770 --> 00:03:00.560
degrees up with
59
00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:04.490
a ninety five mile per hour club head speed, you could gain up to forty two
60
00:03:04.490 --> 00:03:05.360
yards or something
61
00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:06.360
like that.
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So without changing your speed, perhaps you're losing distance just because you
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're hitting
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down on it too much like you are in iron.
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But the other option, the speed plateau sometimes sneaks up on golfers,
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especially, I've seen
67
00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:23.440
it a lot with my older golfers.
68
00:03:23.440 --> 00:03:30.080
So I'll post up a picture of the Tour Pro average distances put out by Trackman
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, and
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you'll see that as they go from their irons to their fairway wood to their
71
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driver, there's
72
00:03:36.040 --> 00:03:39.560
a speed jump in how fast the club head is traveling.
73
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That's largely because they're swinging their hands close to the same speed,
74
00:03:43.590 --> 00:03:44.240
but the club
75
00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:48.880
gets longer and longer and so the club head ends up moving faster and faster.
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What I tend to find with some of my golfers is they reach a plateau where after
77
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a certain
78
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point they can't swing the club any faster because as the club gets longer,
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they actually
80
00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:04.980
unconsciously can't swing it any faster so their hands slow down so the club
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head ends
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up traveling about the same speed for a couple different clubs.
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This is a really common complaint of golfers who say that they hit their three
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wood further
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than their driver.
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Often times when I put them on Trackman, you'll be able to see that they swing
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the three
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wood and the driver the same.
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The three wood they launch a little bit higher and with lower speed, the higher
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launch gives
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them extra distance so they also tend because the club is a little bit shorter,
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you'll hit
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the ball more in the center with the shorter club than you would typically with
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the longer
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club so the ball speed with the same club head speed might even be a little bit
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higher
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with the three wood compared to the driver other than when they just hit that
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driver perfectly.
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So unfortunately the second opt that speed plateau, you're not going to know
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unless you
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get on some type of launch monitor device but I don't think it has to be a top
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of the
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line one.
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I think you'll be able to see anything that's measuring club head speed
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relatively accurately,
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whether it's off by a little bit as long as it's consistent.
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It'll help you see if you're reaching a speed plateau and you're just not
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swinging the driver
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any faster than the three wood is that can easily cause you to lose distance
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compared
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to golfers who might be able to swing their hands the same speed and increase
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the club
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speed with the longer club.
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If however it's more from the angle of attack so you are increasing speed but
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you're noticing
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that you're not hitting it further, then I would investigate either getting two
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upper
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body dominance so the club getting a little bit more outside or getting too
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much of a
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lunge so that the shoulder is past the ball and having to have more of a flip.
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Both of those could cause too many of a ball with too low of a launch and that
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combination
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is typically going to cost you a good bit of distance.
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So if you're struggling understanding why you might hit the driver, not quite
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as far
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as you hit the irons proportionally, hopefully this video gives you a little
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pathway to investigate.
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Figure out which of those two it is, if it's more the speed plateau, then you
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're going to
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have to do some a little bit of speed work.
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If it's more the angle of attack, then that can be accomplished with a lot of
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our drills
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that focus on getting more of this flat spot or sweeping bottom of the swing as
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opposed
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to more of a downward strike which we promote with the irons.
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So with a quick little demo with the iron, we're going to tend to be more on
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top of it
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in order to strike down, but if I did that with a driver, I would either pop it
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up, launch
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it really low or launch it in a spinny fashion.
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So if I do that same thing, which is hard for me to override, but if I do that
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same thing,
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I'm going to tend to lose it off a little bit to the right because I needed
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that extra
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loft and it had a little bit more of a climbing ball flight compared to, let's
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get a little
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bit better ball position.
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So I'm going to play that more towards my front shoulder, I'm going to have a
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little
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bit more lower body sweeping action.
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If I try to swing about the same speed, you'll see that that takes off on a
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much more kind
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of flat flight, gets to its apex and really cruises, I'm probably swung a
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little bit faster
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because I was more comfortable in that position, but that ball went about 40
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yards further
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than the first one where they felt like I swung about the same speed.
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I just transferred a heck of a lot more energy into the golf ball with that
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second technique.
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