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Member Question - Hand Path

Thanks to Joe in California for a great question.

For a long time, golf instruction seemed to revolve around this idea of a swing plane and the club always being on it. As measurement tools have become more sophisticated, we are understanding more and more that very few (if any) tour pros adhere to this plane the entire time. While it's a good visual representation, it doesn't cover the big hand path topics.

  • Hand path summary
  • During transition, you want the hand path to be steeper than the clubhead path until about waist height.
  • The hands will reach the bottom of their arm before you hit the ball, so with a full swing, when you make contact, the club should be moving up, away from the ball, and slowing down it's velocity toward the target.
  • The arms will continue straightening through the ball, so the only way to get this hand path phenomena is to have the upper body moving slightly away from the target during the release.

If you're a member, and you have a question, feel free to let us know and we'll answer it either by email or with a video.

Playlists: Understand Your Swing Plane/Path, Swing Plane Simplified - Working with steeps and shallows

Tags: Not Straight Enough, Member Question

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In this golf smart insight, we're going to answer and remember a question.

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So, Joe from California wanted to get my take on the handpath.

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Now, I focus a lot on the movements of the body, the hands, and what they're doing.

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I leave some of the club stuff to those who have a little bit better technology for measuring the club,

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because my system is the AMM8 sensor, and it's very good at measuring what the body is doing,

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but misses out on some of the club data.

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So, I'm going to give you my take, but this is not based on my own research,

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there's more based on my interpretations of other guys' research.

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So, here I'm going to have my little graphical representation of what's going on in the golf swing.

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So, what you can see here is the club is going to be traveling down, if we're hitting with an iron, right?

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So, the club is traveling down, makes contact with the golf ball and continues going down before it starts to come back up.

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And that's because it's traveling on this incline plane going in a little bit of a circle,

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somewhere there's the furthest point away from you or the bottom of the swing, that is going to be after the golf ball.

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Now, the hands are also traveling on a somewhat planar path, a little bit flatter than what the club is doing at times.

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But what it's doing is it's reaching the bottom of its peak right before it comes,

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or right before you make contact with the golf ball.

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So, the big controversy in the hand path is they used to talk about how if you're going to have the club head moving down,

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you want to be applying kind of this constant force down towards the ground through the golf ball.

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I don't disagree with that in principle, because I'll get into breaking up the movements on why and how this happens.

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But just understand that the hands are going to reach the bottom of their swing before you hit the golf ball,

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while the club is going to hit the bottom of its swing after you hit the golf ball due to the club leg.

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So, I'll go back into our station and we'll discuss this and break down the hand path a little bit further.

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Okay, so now that we have an idea of the what, which is the hands are going to be coming up and in through impact,

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let's talk about some of the why and the how.

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So, if I was here, I've got the plane board just to kind of give a little visual representation,

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and so you can have a little backdrop to see that my hands are actually starting to come back up.

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So, if my hands actually continued to go down, I would hold onto a lot of leg and I would have a very steep angle of attack.

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You could see it just like so, as it goes down, it's a very clunky feeling.

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As opposed to if I just got to there and then had those hands starting to work back up,

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you can see that the club kind of glances the ground gives you more shallow angle of attack,

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which gives you a bigger flat spot at the bottom, a bigger margin of error.

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Right, that's how you take those long skinny divots as opposed to really steep ones.

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Well, the question then becomes, how do I get my body to do that?

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Do I just think it? Do I just make sure that the club is coming up?

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That could be one way, but as you notice in my release videos, the transition videos, I have an idea of what I think the best players do

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through these phases or through these different

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movements in order to make it work.

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So what causes the hands to actually move up? Because what I teach in the release and what we see on 3D

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is that through impact, both arms are going to be straightening, your wrists are approaching

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more neutral, so for all intent and purposes, the club is moving away from your chest.

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The club is moving further away from you. So, if my upper body stayed the same as it was at

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setup, that means that the hands would be moving down through impact. But that's the big caveat.

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When you swing, you got your whole body that can adjust it. So even though my arms are going to be

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extending away from my body, my upper body is going to actually be backing up as it continues to

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side bend and starts to extend. So when that happens when my upper body is backing up,

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now when I extend my arms away from me, they are just slightly coming up as they go through that

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release or through that impact interval. It's a very powerful mechanism. We see it in pretty much

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every other sport. If you're throwing a ball, you're not going to continue having your upper body

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go forward. You're going to try and kind of post up so that you can rotate. If you're hitting a ball

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in tennis or in baseball, they've actually switched in basketball now instead of throwing

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these steps, chest passes or bounce passes that I did thousands of. Now they're doing this more

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rotational pass because it contributes a whole lot more power. So it's got the double benefit of the

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big, the shallow divot, so bigger margin air and it's more powerful. So that's why we see the hands

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come up and that's how we see the hands come up and in is a result of what the body is doing through

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impact not what the hands are actively doing through impact. The hands are kind of going away from you.

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So what we then want to talk about is why this might be happening. So or why certain golfers would

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struggle with this if they have the wrong mental idea. So if they think that the hands are going to

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be traveling more down through here, that creates a very steep angle of attack. So then what your

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result, your left with is you've got to shallow out the club some way. What ends up happening is

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if you get very steep, the best and the fastest shallower out of the club is to flip your release.

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So the faster I can get my hands going like this, the more I can shallow out the club. And so

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oftentimes I'm able to get golfers to get out of a little bit more of a flip release

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by understanding how the body shallows out the club to replace the flip, shallowing out the club.

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So if you work on those release drills, if you work on the follow-through position,

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you've already taken care of the fact that the club moves up and in or that the hands move up and in

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as the club is moving down and out and you won't have to think about it. Now that's the more

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complicated part of the hand-path, the second thing that a lot of people talk about is more

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the hand-path during transition. And Sasha McKenzie has done some great modeling which shows the

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effectiveness of, do we really want to be on-plane the entire downswing? And

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for all intent and purposes, modern researchers are saying no, if you were dead on plane,

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then it takes a significant muscular effort to square the club face. If you allow the club

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to drop underneath the direction that the hands are pulling. So if the club is now kind of on a

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flatter plane than the direction that my hands are pulling, that will cause the club to want to

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align those two sources as you lengthen everything through impact. And so what it ends up

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happening, what it ends up doing is it ends up helping you square the club face with less

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muscular effort. So what we see on 3D is the way that they're able to do that is to have a little

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bit of this flattening move or this rotation of the right and left forearm that I talk about in

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the transition section. So those movements account for the things that we're seeing in the hand-path

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studies and help produce this consistent, powerful, bottom-y or swing. So Joe, I hope that clears it up

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and for anyone else or any other members, if you have questions, please don't hesitate to contact us.

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